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Play With Fire single release
Hello,... Play with Fire was not send to radio, the only reference stated is an article but no "official" link to show its radio release (i.e. With Love, Stranger, references showcase this. The only thing that Play with fire shows is a digital release (remix) in May 2007, right after With Love; which will make sense because the Richard version remix was promoted for u.s. club/dance. So,... basically if you want to argue it's release as a single, it would have been the second single & if you argue that the video was released before, its not a valid point because its a common practice among musicians. I look forward to working with you, Ifiwere (talk) 12:14, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope. Get outta here with your WP:OR. I saw your sandbox, you even think "Little Voice" (which was released as a CD single in two countries) and "Any Other Day" (which was sent to radio in the US as well) are promo singles. I provided sources for its single release, you did not provide any for a promo release. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 12:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Please don't be rude ;) my sandbox, I'm researching additional references so that I can add the songs to the singles table :). so, anyways watching the Dignity page and reversing every edit doesn't really solve anything :( now that I've looked at Play with fire's digital link and yes it was released on may 2014, after With Love making it the official second second. I don't understand why you argue that? I will advise you to research and lookup a VALID reference of the "radio add". maybe? http://fmqb.com/home.asp if With Love and Stranger is here, so should Play with Fire! Right?! Right!? I Think ive made my point. Thanks for your contributions though Ifiwere (talk) 13:16, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, MTV is a more than a valid source for this information. FMQB is not the be all end all of sources for radio adds. Besides, there is a FMQB source for "Any Other Day" being sent to radio, but it's still a promotional single according to you? The song actually charted on the dance charts in 2006, and not in 2007 when the remix was digitally released. I also provided you an additional source from MTV calling "Play with Fire" the first single (with "With Love" being the second, and "Stranger" being the third). You've provided no sources of it being a promotional single (other than the fact that it was also referred to as a "teaser", but official singles can be teasers too), or any sources to contradict the fact that it was sent to radio. There's nothing more to discuss here. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 16:13, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, Boy... not again, my sandbox has nothing to do with any official Wikipedia pages. I have provided sources confirming with love was the lead single. it doesn't matter when a song has charted, you know some songs chart without being released or when they are released as promotional singles. I would imagine that someone like you, who constantly is watching over pages would know that. I'm not here to argue nor to be rude but to discuss ways to improve Wikipedia pages; but as many Hilary Duff pages show, you don't let anyone contribute. I'm not arguing that PWF was never released, because obviously it was! BUT no radio dates where released until 2007! (in 2006 it was released for promo)

references?
 * http://www.mtv.com/news/1556178/new-releases-hilary-duff-beyonce-paul-wall-kings-of-leon-timbaland-more/
 * http://us.7digital.com/artist/hilary-duff/release/play-with-fire-1
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20070929152308/http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/reviews/single_review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003409281
 * Key that the article states "...The original version is just fine, but the tweaked-out radio edit from remixer Richard Vission is a true work of art..." radio edit was released in may 2007.

Ifiwere (talk) 01:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.monstersandcritics.com/music/news/article_1320037.php/Hilary_Duff_looking_to_promote_Dignity_this_summer
 * http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/top-40-radio-cant-get-enough-of-hilary-duff-first-single-with-love-1-most-added-58048477.html


 * It has nothing to do with your sandbox; it has to do with you saying FMQB is the be all end all of sources for radio adds when you ignore it as a source yourself in other cases. I asked you to provide a reference stating that "Play with Fire" was a promo single or that it wasn't sent to radio as planned. I don't care what press releases have to say, and MTV has called both "With Love" and "Play with Fire" first singles. The Billboard review is from November 2006. "With Love" was marketed as the lead single from the album, but that doesn't change the fact that "Play with Fire" was released first. Similarly, Metamorphosis was marketed was her debut album, but that doesn't change the fact that Santa Claus Lane was her debut album. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 02:57, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * that's the problem Staus, you are taking control of the page, by you stating "I asked you..." and "I don't care". (a la, Wiki:OA. I've provide sources, where it's stated with love was the lead single. (NOT release first BUT the first radio single) I've never said FMQB was the end of all sources, but you have not provide a valid reference to provide a radio release for play with fire, period. The real question is was Play with Fire release as a single or for promotional reasons? at this time I don't have sources to provide the latter, but what I do have (and have provided) is a remix release date. What i'm going to do, is provide refrences and change the single release dates on dignity and for the mean time put play with fire as the second single, (until we get to conclusion if it was release or not). hope to work with you on the future, improving the article! :) Ifiwere (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a discussion about the article. If you wanted more than my take on the matter, you should have started a discussion on the talk page where other users can also weigh in. I provided you a valid source for it being sent to radio in August 2006, but you don't want to accept it. It's as simple as that. It was sent to radio in August 2006, and then the remix was released digitally in May 2007 (reliable sources exist for both). As I said previously, we don't use sources to provide the counting number of singles, as we have our guidelines as to what a single actually is, and from there they are ordered by the first release date (whether it be to radio, digital, or CD single). I apologize for my complete revert of your edit on Dignity; the only part I wanted to change was the infobox because as I said, we go by the first release date. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 15:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * why is this discussion on your talk page? because you are the one who has been reverting my edits. Any additional discussion will be addressed in the subject's talk page. I'm going to ask you AGAIN to show me a reliable sources in which it indicates it's SINGLE release date in 2006. (Not the only MTV article, in which they contradict themselves, but a resalable proved source which indicates its release as a SINGLE). If no sources provide legitimate info, should be move its release to simply "song" or "promotional" (seriously asking?) Secondly, singles are ordered by its releade dates as singles not when they where premiered or early release but when they where serviced . A good example is Red; it has songs where released or previewed first as but listed by it's SINGLE release dates. Ifiwere (talk) 18:24, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

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