User talk:Steel Derrick Music

Your edits
Excuse me, but I have rolled back your edits after noticed that you have altered information that was sourced and appears to be wrong at first glance. Could you please explain your edits and provide some information on connection, as I think a conflict of interest might be present here. Even matters like birth place as 'Rockport, Massachusetts' which is sourced to the MTV bio was changed to Dover, New Hampshire without providing a reference and goes directly against a reliable source. Please explain this to me. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 01:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. Steel Derrick Music is Nelson Bragg's record label and am with him now updating his page. He just looked at the MTV bio and it is incorrect. Nelson grew up in Rockport, Massachusetts but was born in Dover, New Hampshire. His ReverbNation biography shows his birthplace correctly as Dover, New Hampshire. The edits are directly from Nelson Bragg. Please advise and thanks again. Steel Derrick Music (talk) 03:39, 28 May 2013 (U
 * Thank you. I don't mean to confuse or undo all your work, but the easiest way to fix the problem would have been to simply undo my undo which would have restored all the edits thus far. The edit history is kept so the material is easily reinserted without manually re-adding them one by one. Rather then risk messing things up, I'll let you have the option of going to this comparison and selecting this specific diff and clicking the edit button and saving the page to restore it. Nullifying future changes in the process.
 * Also if it isn't too much trouble, could you please simply give a heads up to WP:COIN, which is the Conflict of Interest Noticeboard. While we are all volunteers, I only noticed your changes because of an earlier issue raised elsewhere and I had the page on my watchlist. I'm all for correcting inaccuracies (I'm working on several articles myself), but as business with a direct tie to the subject, a bit of a third-party oversight is not a bad idea. Given that Wikipedia isn't a platform for publicity, editors tend to have a very knee-jerk reaction to businesses or interested parties. I don't see any of that here, and if the information is wrong please present it in a reliable source (Like your label's bio page or elsewhere) just to make things right. I'll be glad to help out, I just saw the MTV information being switched and it didn't match the source. I'm a bit of an experienced editor, but I do this a labor of love as with all other editors. I must also state, I have no idea who Nelson Bragg really is, but I'll learn from just lightly overseeing the development and corrections. Don't be afraid to ask me questions; I'm nice and willing to advise. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 04:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. Would like to be accurate and someday get rid of the orange exclamation point at the top of the page. Will consult you as necessary.Steel Derrick Music (talk) 05:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Those tags are placed by other editors who know or suspect a problem, but lack the expertise or time to fix it. When it is corrected you can remove them. Things like are used to indicate that someone questions this and requests a citation to confirm the material is true, but doesn't doubt it enough to remove it outright. So far the work looks pretty good. Keep it up. Just ask me if you need something. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:00, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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If you believe this block was made in error, you may appeal this block by adding the text below, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:35, 29 May 2013 (UTC

Talk Attention Orangemike - Am new to Wikipedia and understand and completely respect the mission and importance of encyclopedic accuracy. Was attempting to update the musician page in the style of other musician pages already on Wikipedia. Worked with one of your colleagues a few days ago who explained a few things and wrote it was going well. The user name may be misleading. The name can be changed. All intentions to update were made with honesty and integrity. Please advise. Thank you. (Steel Derrick Music (talk) 21:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC))

ChrisGualtieri (talk) Hello Chris - From you last message thought all was according to the rules to correct and update an entry and not a conflict of interest. The account is now blocked for that reason and others. Please advise on how to restore credibility and how one corrects and updates their own page without seeming a conflict of interest. Want to follow all Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you. (Steel Derrick Music (talk) 22:33, 29 May 2013 (UTC))
 * The issue is the user name, which is why I suggested you go to COIN about it, because I am not an expert and they would have helped sort this out, without the need to block you first, but everyone is different. From what I've reviewed in the edits made after our discussion, the edits themselves were not really problematic. It was the user name. I'll stick around I guess and help try to sort things out, but either way, the matter of who you are and who you represent need to come out. Businesses found editing their clients pages are typically blocked first and make more requests through COIN. Considering that this is a BLP, and the previous comments checked out, I didn't feel a pressing need to report this. I was hoping that you would follow my suggestion and go to WP:COIN because it gives the impression you want to actually fix the inaccuracies and don't want to advertise. While I am not familiar with OrangeMike, the procedure is actually really common given the situation. It's part policy and part concern as mentioned before. But the intentions here were largely benign. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:45, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

ChrisGualtieri (talk) Thank you Chris - Did plan to follow-up on your COIN suggestion, though thought it was related to content, not user name. I am just the girlfriend who types better. Today was planning to work through the tags. Thought a business name would add credibility to the updates, not the opposite. He has a web page already for promotion. The intention was to make the page accurate, up to date, and include information as provided on other musician sample pages. I would certainly be interested in adding to any other topics that I am knowledgeable about as well. Thank you, thank you for helping to sort this out. (Steel Derrick Music (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC))
 * The connection is the problem, choosing the name of a company is probably more so, it I like soft drinks I wouldn't take the name 'Coca Cola Co.' because of the association and violate the username policy. If you have a COI, try to address it and relay the changes through other editors for scrutiny. If you make the changes and are found to have an undisclosed or unaddressed COI the entire changes (even positive ones) will likely be reverted. As they have in this case. And you don't have to be knowledgeable to edit things; citing the source from where you got the information is the best way to add content to Wikipedia. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

ChrisGualtieri (talk) Thanks again. Will go through COIN now. Hope this is sorted out soon. It feels awful when something like this happens with the best intentions. (Steel Derrick Music (talk) 23:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC))

ChrisGualtieri (talk) One more question, if it is not appropriate for a person close to the subject or in a business relationship to update an entry, then who is? Is it better for the person whose page it is to update and correct it under their log-in? Thanks again - (Steel Derrick Music (talk) 23:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC))
 * No one close to the subject or tied to the subject should (ideally) update the page. See WP:COI. Editing things related to place of business, family, and other close connections are common examples, but we even had a major discussion on people editing pages about their own ethnicity. Long story short, yes you can edit a page about your ethnicity or your country, but its probably best to remain neutral and distant. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

ChrisGualtieri (talk) OK, last follow-up. Then who would ever be looking at this page and updating if it is not the person themselves or someone who knows them? Do you have editors that follow and update on a person's behalf? You have been very kind in explaining all this. Thank you -(Steel Derrick Music (talk) 00:04, 30 May 2013 (UTC))
 * Ironically, yes. I'm in the process of researching and updating articles about defunct companies as part of my research. I hope to fix and cover Irwin Toy this weekend. Never owned a toy of theirs, but I found out a lot about the company by researching something else. I do a lot of updating around Wikipedia and even more maintenance on existing things. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

ChrisGualtieri (talk) Find that type of research interesting myself. Just looked at the COIN page and it looks frightening. It instructs that the matter should first attempt to be resolved under the talk format and it is for editors who have repeatedly posted information that violates policy. Would you know who I could contact on the talk page? Thank you (Steel Derrick Music (talk) 00:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC))

ChrisGualtieri (talk) Also requested a name change to Julia Ewan, thought it has not gone through yet. Best - (Steel Derrick Music (talk) 00:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC))
 * WP:COIN is a board for people to bring up issues with conflicts, typically after they wind up in your current situation. Edit requests are more often made by people with a COI, something which I am not particularly knowledgeable about. But given that you are 'blocked' you cannot edit anything outside of this talk page until it is lifted. Which means you will need to wait to be unblocked by an admin. They can help better than I. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)