User talk:Stefan-S/Archive 1

Directors templates
Hello. Would you like to take a look at my reply at User_talk:Commander_Keane about this subject? The JPS 15:53, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree 100% on director template, but do not agree on you comment on shark template, sure IF we ever get over 100 shark articles then we can start to change, but as it is now, this template makes it much easier for non wikipeda experts to find other shark articles. Think we should have a general discussion about nav templates, but do not know where to do it and do nto have enough time to follow up. Stefan 01:44, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, some tools (such as categories) are only easy to use if you know that they are there, and we must remember that we are collaborating to create material for a wider readership than those of us who know the intricies of wikipedia. I'm not bothered about the Shark template, but the vote doesn't appear close enough that wihdrawing mine would make much difference. My main reasoning is that directors templates provide the essential chronological order, which categories cannot achieve. The shark template lists them in alphabetical order, which is achievable by categorisation... The JPS 01:53, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree, categories have many very nice features, but for navigational purposes they suck! For occasional wiki users, you need a one click link, not multiple links. I know the shark template is lost, I can not understand, true there are 350+ sharks, but there is hardly enough know about 40 of them to write more than stubs, the argument that there will be 350 of them is not a good one, how many sharks can you name that is not in the box? it took almost one year to increase the number of sharks in that box by 16, wonder how many new articles that is not stubs we can make in the next year, I would doubt that we can make 10 more, better to fix the once we have with more meat. Nevermind, I guess my next task in wikiland is to make a nice list :-) Stefan 02:41, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Image:Blacktip Reef Shark.jpg
It look terrible !

Dlloyd 23:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Great Hammerhead.jpg
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Link spam
I've seen that you deleted some link spam from shark articles. I seem that the same user has addes the same links to most, if not ALL, shark articles. I've deleted some, too. I advice you too check as more as shark articles to remove it. Ciao!! Attilios

Invitation to help me improve Tiger shark and Bull shark
I've noticed your outstanding work on some species of sharks. I don't know whether you have noticed the tremendous disparity in quality in respect to articles on individual shark species. Some articles like Oceanic Whitetip Shark (which both of us have worked on) and Great White Shark are top-drawer - examples of first-class effort by the Wikicommunity.

The two above-referenced articles are in great need of improvement. Bull shark, in particular, is pathetic. --Hokeman 18:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply on my user page, and your willingness to help. Like you, I was pre-occupied with another Wiki-project;however, now I intend to turn my full attention to sharks.  My pet project is going to be to compile a list detailing the people who died in unprovoked shark attacks in the United States and the circumstances of their deaths. There really is nothing comprehensive on the web in this regard - only piecemeal stuff.  Burgess at Florida could do it, but he's so secretive and canny.  I intend to add content to Bull shark, Tiger shark, and possibly Great White Shark as I progress--Hokeman 19:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * When you get a chance take a look at List of fatal, unprovoked shark attacks in the United States by decade and tell me what you think. Also, I've been working on cleaning up Tiger Shark; however, it still has a ways to go before it reaches the near featured status of Oceanic Whitetip. Now it's on to Bull shark. Tally-ho--Hokeman 03:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Bronze Whaler
I have read that a few people have been killed by Bronze Whalers in Victoria(Australia), but your link seems to refute that, so I may have been wrong. (Khanada 02:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC))

Yes, that is a good point about knowing which species was involved in a fatal attack, but you are correct about not adding it on wikipedia in asmuch as it is an encyclopedia & only information that is confirmed should be entered. (Khanada 05:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC))

Welcome to VandalProof!
Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Stefan! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. PS2pcGAMER (talk) 10:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Help me!
Hello! I'm a Persian Wikipedian and I wanna build a robot, but I like to build a one in English Wikipedia. So Can you help to make a bot step by step??? Thanks a lot! --MehranVB 17:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand exactly that what I do now! Can you tell me what I do step by step? Now, I downloaded the Python language (Because of here), but I don't know what I do now! I will happy if you help me. Thanks a lot again! --MehranVB 16:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't get Pywikipedia framework and I don't know how I can download it!--MehranVB 05:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Excuse me for asking this stupid question! I can't download the files from sourceforge and I don't know how I can do it! When I click on Download button a page showing some buttons and I must choose one of them (They are names of the states), I choose one of them but next page is the same page! Please help me and tell me what I do?! Thanks! --MehranVB 13:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I downloaded the package with no problem (of course with your help). As I told you, I want to use my robot in Persian Wikipedia but before it I want to have an English one to understand how it works. Tasks that I want to my robot do them are: Make Category, Raplace a letter with another, Make redirect, Interwiki (Especially Farsi language), Disambiguation pages, etc. So What's the next step? In here, I met the word "CVS". What's this? Is it neccesory for me? What should I do now?--MehranVB 16:27, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Sharks
You wanna take a week between the two of us to whip this project idea into shape and then present it to the community? Lemme know. Cheers, Tom e rtalk 04:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Stefan, Count me in. I have been working on golfers lately, but will be ready to start working on sharks again after I return from vacation on July 5.--Hokeman 18:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Unblock 202.156.6.54
User:202.156.6.54 is a shared IP of Singapores largest ISP (it blocks me even though I am logged in), it should only be blocked with care. It is now blocked "17:34, May 30, 2006 Mel Etitis blocked "202.156.6.54 (contribs)" with an expiry time of 24 hours (persistent vandalism after long string of warnings and earlier blocks) "

I can not find the vandalism! I can not find ANY page in the user log that is reverted for the last 2-3 hours before the block! Can some nice admin look into it and unblock the IP? Stefan 11:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Further study I think indicates that the IP did 2 cases of vandalism at 00:44, 30 May and 16:37, 29 May 2006 and was blocked at 09:35, 30 May with many many good edits in between. (only checked talk page, so there might have been more that I can not find). Stefan 11:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done, you're the third guy I've come across today who was using that IP. --Sam Blanning(talk) 14:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

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Boot flag?
Hi! How did you get your bot flag I checked Bots/Requests_for_approvals and Bots/Approval_log no update there, is there another place to ask? Still no update on my request..... Stefan 01:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It was approved by robchurch, and bot flag was given by Linuxbeak . Seems no one's added it to the approval log. Good luck with yours :) —Pengo 01:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

StefanBot's Bot Flag
Hi. Per Tawker's final approval, I've granted your bot a Bot Flag. Regards, Redux 03:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Sawfish, not sawshark
Thanks for letting me know about this image. I don't recall exactly what made me think it was definitely a sawshark but I've looked at some photos of a sawshark elsewhere on the internet and I think the person that left a note on the talk page of the article is right - it is a sawfish after all. I'll make the change to the caption as well as move it to the correct article. Diliff  | (Talk)   (Contribs) 08:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Shark project - user:HappyVR
Got your message, yes I am interested in sharks though my edits to the shark pages were to do with a bit of a work I was doing on category:live-bearing fish. I busy at the moment adding genera to the underpopulated catfish order (siluriformes), and I looks like that may continue for a long time. However if I ever finish there I would definately come and see if there is anything I can do for the sharks (and skates and rays as well which I like). I've marked your project page to watch so you never know - I might help occasionally.

I assume you know about WikiProject Fishes which is probably doing the same for all fish as you are doing for sharks. I'll be reading shark articles as and when I get time - what I've seen suggests the project is going pretty well. Keep up the good work. I'll let you know if I start doing any major work on sharks etc.

I'll be adding to the live-bearing fish/viviparous/ovoviviparous category systematically as I have time. What would be really useful is if there was a log of pages added - I'm going to ask about this on the fishproject talk page.HappyVR 19:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Shark project
Thanks for invitation Stefan. I will do whatever I can on shark subjects but my time too is limited. I will probably occasionally drop in and try to improve stuff. Janderk 16:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Shark project case
I saw you changed my changes on the oceanic whitetip page: according to the WikiProject Fishes project the names should be rendered in sentence case which would mean that the first word would be initially uppercased only if it was the first word in the sentence or phrase. Or did I miss something there? Yomangani 16:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Valery Valerie (diver), Ron Tayler (diver)
Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)   17:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry but this is my first ever vandalism varning i wikipedia and I must object a bit for getting it, since I put a speedy delete on the articles myself before you varned me, so no point in warning me really, not sure why you did it. Stefan 08:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

It isn't a warning, it is a standard message to let you know that your requests have been actioned. No warning was issued in your edit history either. You have not been marked as a vandal by me or any other editor, so far as I know.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)   09:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Peer review
I made a small mistake in the instructions; instead of adding, just add User:AndyZ/peerreviewer.js (without the nowiki tags) to your monobook. I placed an updated peer review on the peer review page. Cheers, AZ t 14:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Oceanic whitetip
I've filled it out with some references and rearranged it a bit. I think with the peer review comments and the fac rules we are just about there. I'll put it up for FAC on Monday unless you see anything obviously wrong/bad. I fancy doing the basking shark next, what about you? Yomangani 13:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite agree on getting this one up first. BTW, started up Portal:Sharks yesterday - may as well get as much exposure as possible. Yomangani 10:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've put it up as a FAC. Gulp. Yomangani 11:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I spent about an hour going through Oceanic Whitetip again. I was very impressed with the "clean-up" that you and Yomangani have done in the last few days. I didn't find any flaws or any weaknesses (and therefore made no edits). It compares structurally very favorably with some of the other scientific and technical featured articles. The photographs are very pleasing to the eye, albeit the committee might come back and say that they are both the same (single Oceanic whitetip with a small school of pilotfish).--Hokeman 03:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's all gone quiet - hopefully that means those who objected are re-reading it. Yomangani 15:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Do you, by any chance, have any references for this statement "Until the 16th century, sharks were known to mariners as 'sea dogs'"? Sandy has requested a citation for it and I can't find one anywhere. I can find a citation for shark being used after the 16th century, but not for sea dog being used before (although there a lot of uses of it). We are almost there... Yomangani 16:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Found one, but if you have a better one it won't hurt. Yomangani 16:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Cogratulations to you and Yomangani on FA status for this article. You guys did a magnificent job putting on the finishing touches. (I was away for 12 days starting on 21 Aug. - that is the reason this congratulatory note is somewhat belated.)--Hokeman 19:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Shark Portal
Good idea, i had thought that would be a good portal a while ago but never got round to doing anything about it. I will be interested in helping out and am currently working on the cetaceans portal. There really seems to be a lot missing on sharks on wikipedia so i think we need to fix this. --chris_huh 18:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Shark project
Stefan, I have been trying to send you a response for days and days; however, the AOL IP's that I have been on have been steadily blocked. I am ready to jump into the shark project, and have started doing some research for a page on the Galapagos shark. I will also review Oceanic whitetip shark as you asked. I wholeheartedly agree that we shark editors should try to get at least one of our articles featured (and I wholeheartedly agree that Oceanic whitetip is the right one) - so it will serve as a "model of excellence" for other shark pages.--Hokeman 15:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

My shark project
Ive finnaly updated my page and I should have my project running soon. WikiProject Shark. Lenny 09:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Project
I've tried to suggest to Lenny that merging the two projects would be a good idea, but he refuses to discuss it with me as I am a mere "member" of the project. He may accept suggestions from you, but I doubt it as he seems to believe he owns the project and by extension every shark article. Have a go anyway - there are few enough editors working on the project (although GrahamBould has been tearing through a few recently). If he won't discuss it we can suggest finding a neutral 3rd party to mediate. I was going to edit the WikiProject Shark page, but I think he would take that as an act of aggression. Good luck on the house move btw. Cheers, Yomangani 12:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't do any harm to have it on my page too, no worries. Yomangani talk 17:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * if you want to run a project on your own then keep your project - case CLOSED. Lenny 18:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont know where this problem will come to but in the mean time BOTH projects will stay running and BOTH templates will be on articles if needed. Lenny 07:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I am using userboxes to encourage people to join, if you remove them that will NEVER happen (so thats your plan). Thus merging might happen in the (very) distant future. Lenny 08:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * MY project dicourages bad articles and any article that features things that are bad to sharks like Shark fin soup and Shark net. So my project wants to rewrite these to make it what it is - a bad thing and not encouraging chinese fin soup. How would the feal if we in the uk made chinese scalp soup? In addition to this we also do what you do edit good to sharks articles to make them the best they can be. Lenny 08:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I might discuss merge. Lenny 08:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Must - At least some of my work must be included in 'the great merge of the level'. Otherwise it wouldn't be a merge but a deletion. I'll redo the logo to say sharks. OK? Lenny 09:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I am afraid it is hand made, it took hours to write all of it, then add syntax codes to it. I have redone the logo and you can see it at [:image:WikiProject Sharks by Lenny.PNG]. We got there eventually.
 * I placed it under logo licence, I guess I should move it to GFDL. Lenny 10:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So what do we do now? Lenny 11:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a member! Merge CANCELLED. Lenny 10:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You get on with your project and I'll get on with mine, do not remove any of my templates. Lenny 15:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

 ''The following discussion is an archived debate on Lennys talk page which now have its content removed by himself, I wish to keep it here for reference and for people to be able to see what was discussed. This is a link to the talk page just before this text was deleted. No further edits should be made to this page.''

That's fine (although you probably would have been better off discussing it before doing another two days work on it). We can discuss merging the two projects. Since nobody but you has signed up to your project yet and Stefan has announced his version, I suggest we merge your content over to WikiProject_Sharks. Once we're happy with that we can replace your userboxes on the shark pages. What do you think? Yomangani 09:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * WikiProject_Sharks does exist, so that's not really a problem (It's not my project though). Do you agree it's not productive to have two projects with the same aims? Yomangani 10:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should be talking about defending a personal project: that's somewhat against Wikipedia culture. Let's start from the beginning:
 * We agree that we shouldn't have 2 projects
 * Nobody wants to lose the work they've done (Stefan has done the majority of the work on the other project, but I'm sure he'd agree)
 * Therefore the solution is to merge the projects. I propose merging to WikiProject_Sharks as personally I think it is a nicer name, and is inline with WikiProject_Cetaceans in being pluralised. Let me know what you think. Yomangani 10:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It does sound harsh. Wikipedia is a collaboration - no editor owns a page outside of their User space. However, since you obviously won't agree with me, let's wait to see if we can get a concensus on how to progress. Yomangani 11:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * May I ask you whether you will be willing to accept any suggestions from Stefan? Or is your position that you will defend your project against all comers? Just trying to gauge if there is any middle ground here. Yomangani 11:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Why do we talk on personal talk pages? This is a project discussion!!! Stefan 17:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I answer here.
 * I suggest that we merge! Stefan 17:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I created 'my', project sharks 14 october 2005, anyone that wanted to find it could easily do so by a simple search! I have been trying to find members since then, since a project needs many contributing members to be worth the effort I have waited to make it 'official', the official policy suggests Generally, a WikiProject should involve at least 3-5 articles and have at least 5 editors involved before it is really worth the time and effort to set up a Wikiproject structure, so I did wait. I do not want to fight, I just want to make wikipedia have the best shark articles! I do not understand why you do not discuss this on the talk page of your project, wikipedia is all about consensus, you do not own anything, even if I started the project sharks that does not mean that I decide, everytihng in wikipedia is published under GNU Free Documentation License, I have argued with Yomangani, we discussed and he convinced me that he was right, and I'm sure we will argue again, and I am sure I will 'win' some other time :-), nevermind all is about wikipedia, not my pride or 'my' shark project! All you did was state that you would have your project up and running soon, no discussion. What do you want? To run a project? or write articles? What I want is to have likeminded people to discuss, to help, to get help from to make the shark articles in wikipedia very good!!! If you want the same thing please help us in WikiProject Sharks, if you want to run a project on your own then keep your project.
 * Also you do not need to remove any work that you have done, merge it, copy/paste! Do you think I want to remove the work I have done over the last 10 months, lets use the best of what all of us have done, some of 'my' project is better, some of 'yours' is better, (some of 'yours' is copied from 'mine' :-), lets use the best of both in one place?
 * Also also, I have both bot flag and autowikibrowser rights, so to add project tags on articles I can do very fast and easy, why spend so much time doing it manually? Discuss and ask for help!
 * Also I am moving house so I will pack my computer soon, and will not be able to do much updates for a few days, but in general I will always give in to consensus and I will always discuss. Take it easy! Stefan 17:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Good luck with the project, sorry we couldn't come to an agreement. Yomangani talk 22:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Lenny, I would seriously ask you to take it easy, do not fight over project boxes on talk pages, work on the project (or write on some of the articles!) you must understand that we would be a bit upset if you started to add 'your' project boxes to all shark articles right now. Wait a while and see if we can not come to an understanding? I do not want this to become a edit war! That is a bit silly, lets try to work together? Stefan 23:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dont you think that 2 projects is a bit to much? Did you realise that I started to state VERY clearly that I wanted to merge, (not nessesarily merge 'your' project into the sharks project or the otyher way), just merge! THEN I asked you to join us in project sharks, you did not want to talk, you just stated CASE CLOSED, why dont you want to talk? How are you planning to run a project if you can not discuss? are you planning to run it on you own with no members? If so why the need for user boxes? or even a project?
 * I do not want to put two userboxes on all shark articles, I think it is bad, I think having both fish and shark(or sharks) box is a bit to much, but three boxes is not very nice at all. Why do you need to publish 'your' project so much? it is what? 3-4 days old? Give it some time! Lets agree to no boxes for 1 month and then we see if we can merge our projects and agree on one project during that time?
 * What is it really that you want to do with 'your' project that we are not trying to do with the sharks project, we want the same, lets talk and not make fools of ourselves, lets discuss how we can merge?? Stefan 08:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No my reson for you not adding boxes on shark articles is that there are 2 'competing' projects, I do not like that and would like for us to merge, I think 2 boxes on each page is silly, so Im offering a compromise that we try to not use boxes on any page for 1 month! Why the rush? project sharks have 5 members and no box so saying that you can not get members without user boxes is wrong!
 * Can you please also answer what you want with 'your' project that is different from the 'other' project so that we can see if we can work together? Stefan 08:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So basically we want the same thing, except that I think you are a not so NPOV, but in general I agree, so that means that our projects want the same thing, so why can we not even discuss how to merge the 2 projects?? Would you agree to at least discuss a merge? Stefan 08:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, good! That is progress!
 * Is there anything that you say must be true for a merge to happen, things like, you have the final word, it must be in 'your' project space or anything at all, or can we discuss openly and see what happens? If you have any musts like that please list then, becuase I can agree to anything as long as it makes sense. Stefan 09:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course! Not sure if you say ok to merge and sharks name? If so great! Please redo the logo. Welcome onboard, lets make the shark articles better!!!!! I liked your list of articles, it is very good with lists like that, I makes me find new articles that I did not know existsed that I can help update, I want to have all of that page! Is it hand made or do you do it automatically? If handmade it will be lots of work keeping it up to date though, but nevermind, you have already done most of the hard work!! Excepy for that most of what you have is already in the other project, I must compare more closesly to see what more should be included, please help your self, I'm very busy moving house now so can not do much. Stefan 09:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can understand that it took a while! Did you make the logo on your own? If so why the copyright and fair use clause? If it is your picture, which I assume it must be it should be share alike or something like that? Anyway I added it to the project page, can not get it in a nice place together with the todo template, but it is ok as it is now. Stefan 10:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I think Stefan is in Singapore and he's currently moving house, so don't be surprised if it takes a little longer for him to respond. You could move your userboxes over to the merged project - that's something it is definitely lacking. I'll have a look later and suggest what I think should be used from each of the projects, if you like. Yomangani talk 12:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes! And this is last post from old house, I say write articles!!! update project!! hope I have a working computer in a few days :-)Stefan 00:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi! Now back in new home, at least computer is up and running, most everything else is not though, please start to merge, I would take your list of articles and move it but am afraid that you will mind. I will not be spending a lot of time writing on wikipedia the next 1-2 weeks, but I will check and will reply to messages on my talk page. For project specifics I think the discussions should take place on the project talk page. Stefan 09:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, if members is what you want, bragging right and all that, I do not think I'm interested with that attitude, I will continue to try to write good articles, have fun! Stefan 11:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine. Like I said previously, I think it is good idea to merge but nobody is going to fight you for it. I'll carry on working on the original project, good luck with yours. Yomangani talk 17:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Stefan 15:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Project: Merge Two Projects So That It Looks Better And Also Helps Us Aswell
We might as well merge as both of our projects isn't going anywhere Please discuss this matter. Lenny 08:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

OWS
Well done to you too. Only 400 and something more species to go! Yomangani talk 09:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Your bot
Could it add below the tax box if it is missing on the shark articles? Saves me doing them all by hand, but I don't know whether that would require you to have it reapproved. Yomangani talk 09:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * OK,that'll be fine, thanks. (I'll add it to any I edit in the meantime). Yomangani talk 10:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I didn't mean for you to spend all day with AWB, but I appreciate it. Yomangani talk 11:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)