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Tech News: 2015-52
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News
 * Because of the holidays, the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 11 January 2016.
 * The writers of the technical newsletter are asking for your opinion. Did you get the information you wanted this year? Did we miss important technical news in 2015? What kind of information was too late? Please tell us! You can write in your language. Thank you!

Recent changes
 * CompletionSuggester is a new suggestions algorithm for Search. It is available as a Beta feature since 17 December. (more information)
 * The Multimedia team is running an A/B test for the cross-wiki upload tool. They are testing four different interfaces. The test is running from 16-23 December. (more information)

Changes this week
 * There is no deployment of MediaWiki scheduled until 12 January 2016 (calendar).

Meetings
 * Should administrators and other users with advanced tools need stronger passwords? You can discuss about it in a Request for Comments.
 * No meeting with the VisualEditor team on 22 and 29 December, and 5 January.

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Knights of Columbus
Hi there. Any idea of Louisville's relevance to the Knights of Columbus? (see e. g. Ferdinand E. Kuhn) Cake (talk) 18:55, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the slow response. I don't know of any hard historical connection to the KoC, although certainly they have a presence in Louisville because of its sizable Catholic population.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 13:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries; take your time. I've seen your commitment to WP Louisville, and found it interesting how Louisville was treated like the Mason-Dixon line for the KoC. Doubly so now that I see the large Catholic presence of Louisville is also a large German presence. Cake (talk) 19:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Reason why people keep changing the article America's Got Talent (season 3)
Do you want to know the reason why people keep changing the article America's Got Talent (season 3)? Stevietheman, you were right, MediaCorp re-edited the program. I was a former employee of MediaCorp. Lucas Chow, the CEO of MediaCorp the time when the show was broadcast, had watched episodes of season 3 of the show online before the show was broadcast on Channel 5. His favourite act in this competition was the ZOOperstars!. He did not like the fact that Neal E. Boyd won the competition instead of the ZOOperstars!. He also did not like some of the acts such as Kaitlyn Maher (he changed her name to "Kathlynn Meear"), Donald Brasswell and Eli Mattson. Hence, he would order the program editors (I was one of them) to re-edit the show such that Neal E. Boyd was eliminated in the Top 40 on November 12, 2008 and the ZOOperstars! went all the way to win. In case you're wondering, sound effects and voice-overs of the contestants, host and judges were added to make the re-edits seem real. After the show was re-edited, the version broadcast would feature similar results as the vandalized revisions, with the ZOOperstars! winning the competition on the season finale aired on January 28, 2009. After all the episodes were broadcast on Channel 5, Chow wrote a check for US$1,000,000 and sent it to the ZOOperstars!. What&#39;s your name? We are the ZOOperstars! (talk) 07:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

The same goes for season 1. Chow did not like Bianca Ryan and thus changed her name in the show to Beeyansha Ryan. His favourite season 1 act was quick change duo David and Dania - Quick Change. He also did not like some acts especially the kid acts such as Taylor Ware. He would order the program editors to re-edit the programs such that Beeyansha Ryan was eliminated in the semi-final part 3 results show on November 11, 2007 and David and Dania - Quick Change won the competition on January 13, 2008. Once the show was re-edited, the version broadcast on Channel 5 would feature results similar to the vandalized revisions. After all the episodes were broadcast on Channel 5, Chow wrote a check for US$1,000,000 and sent it to David and Dania - Quick Change. What&#39;s your name? We are the ZOOperstars! (talk) 08:02, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * The articles are about the original U.S. programs. Just because they were cut up to show different results in one country, that doesn't mean those results are legitimate in any way.  Also, showing the programs as originating in Singapore on MediaCorp is a flat-out lie.  If you want to add content about these Singapore distortions, and if you have reliable sources to back them up, you probably could add this info to the respective articles.  But don't change the articles to make it look like those distortions/lies are the full reality of these programs, because that will never be allowed.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 13:08, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Dear Stevietheman, I know that it is wrong to change these articles. I, along with two other program editors were fired by MediaCorp in 2013, which was when this vandalism started. The three of us would work together to create new accounts to edit these articles. We already know who the actual winner of these programs were. We simply want to expose MediaCorp about what they made us do. If you say that MediaCorp is a company that tells lies, then you probably be right. By the way, MediaCorp would never admit that they had re-edited these programs. Only the three of us have evidence to show that MediaCorp had apparently re-edited the programs. I think foreign broadcasters who acquire the rights to broadcast MediaCorp programs would re-edit them once they know what MediaCorp has done. What&#39;s your name? We are the ZOOperstars! (talk) 07:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Broken Allegiant Air Page
I just wanted to let you know that multiple of your past edits on Allegiant Air have broken the page, and caused multiple sections to dissapear. On your edit summary it says you are using AWB, which I am not familiar with. but it has occured multiple times. So I am not sure what is going wrong to change the page in this way, but please figure out what you are doing wrong, as I am not sure. I will fix it, but please have a look to see what you may have mistakenly done. Thanks! Stinger20 (talk) 00:54, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * the AWB correction (using straight quotemarks in HTML instead of slanted ones) was correct -- it's the div turning off the display that shouldn't have been there in the first place, so I removed it. So, this is a case of both of us not looking more closely. :) Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 14:12, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, did not see that! Stinger20 (talk) 00:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-02
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes Problems
 * Wikimedia no longer uses visitor statistics from comScore.
 * You can make interactive graphs with the Graph extension. There is now a tutorial for how to do this.
 * Some pages do not turn in up in categories where they should be. This is because link tables are sometimes not populated.

Changes this week
 * The Nuke extension will work with Flow. This will make it easier to handle spam in Flow.
 * New file uploads will now be patrollable.
 * Internet Explorer 8 will no longer have JavaScript support. You will still be able to browse and edit Wikipedia if you use Internet Explorer 8, but will not be able to use some features. This can be solved by upgrading to a newer version or switching to a different browser.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 January at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg URLs in the recent changes IRC feed will no longer be rewritten to unencrypted HTTP. This could be a breaking change for bots dependent on the IRC feed.
 * The edit tabs for the wikitext editor and the visual editor will be combined to one single edit tab. You will be able to choose which one you prefer. If you are not logged in, your choice will be saved as a cookie in your browser. You can test the single edit tab.
 * There is a beta feature that adds links to the subject on other Wikimedia projects. This works much like the links to for example Wikipedia articles in other languages. It will go out of beta testing and be enabled for everyone in January. Wikis that don't want this can decide to have it disabled.
 * The difference between "alerts" and "messages" notifications is unclear to some. The developers want feedback at the Phabricator task or on MediaWiki.org so they can make this better. You can give feedback in your language if you can't write in English.

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Tech News: 2016-03
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You will be able to find or mark bugs and suggestions in Phabricator that are specific for your language or wiki.
 * Notifications have been upgraded with more detailed and easier-to-access information. See the documentation. Cross-wiki notifications will be available soon on the two test wikis.

Changes this week Meetings
 * The visual editor uses the TemplateData extension to make editing templates easier. You will now get a warning when you edit a TemplateData form and leave it without saving.
 * Octicons-tools.svg MediaWiki will get a new authentication and authorization system called AuthManager. This is planned to happen in a month or two. Some bots will need to change how they log in. Two new and more stable authentication methods will be available now: Owner-only OAuth credentials and bot passwords. You can read more about the change.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 January. It will be on all Wikipedias from 21 January (calendar).
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 January at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is governance model. The meeting will be on 20 January at 22:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 6
Newsletter • January 2016

Hello there! Happy to be writing this newsletter once more. This month:

What comes next

Some good news: the Wikimedia Foundation has renewed WikiProject X. This means we can continue focusing on making WikiProjects better.

During our first round of work, we created a prototype WikiProject based on two ideas: (1) WikiProjects should clearly present things for people to do, and (2) The content of WikiProjects should be automated as much as possible. We launched pilots, and for the most part it works. But this approach will not work for the long term. While it makes certain aspects of running a WikiProject easier, it makes the maintenance aspects harder.

We are working on a major overhaul that will address these issues. New features will include:
 * Creating WikiProjects by simply filling out a form, choosing which reports you want to generate for your project. This will work with existing bots in addition to the Reports Bot reports. (Of course, you can also have sections curated by humans.)
 * One-click button to join a WikiProject, with optional notifications.
 * Be able to define your WikiProject's scope within the WikiProject itself by listing relevant pages and categories, eliminating the need to tag every talk page with a banner. (You will still be allowed to do that, of course. It just won't be required.)

The end goal is a collaboration tool that can be used by WikiProjects but also by any edit-a-thon or group of people that want to coordinate on improving articles. Though implemented as an extension, the underlying content will be wikitext, meaning that you can continue to use categories, templates, and other features as you normally would.

This will take a lot of work, and we are just getting started. What would you like to see? I invite you to discuss on our talk page.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

RfC
pls see Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates -- Moxy (talk) 21:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-04
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can now follow when pages are added or removed from a category on German Wikipedia. The plan is to add it to Wikimedia Commons and other Wikipedias this week.
 * Administrators can hide individual entries of a page with RevisionDelete. There is now a button to choose "all", "none" or "inverse" in Special:Log. The article history will get the same buttons soon. Wikis that have done this locally with JavaScript will be able to remove that code.

Changes this week Changes this week
 * You will be able to see the references when you preview a section you are editing. This will happen even if there is no address were by mistake redirected to the Wikimedia Foundation wiki on 26 January. This included Meta and Wikimedia Commons. The mistake was fixed after an hour.
 * Some users had problems logging in and out around 22 January. Bots also had problems and edit previews did not work properly. This was because of problems related to the new component SessionManager. It was undone on 23 January.
 * Because of new problems with SessionManager the latest version of MediaWiki was removed from the Wikimedia wikis again on 31 January. The new version this week will be without SessionManager.
 * The page history will get a help link. This will go to Help:Page history on Meta. Wikis can exchange it for a link to their local pages.
 * Notifications will only show part of a page name if it is very long. You will also have another way to mark notifications as read.
 * The Universal Language Selector input methods are now available with the visual editor. This means many who write in non-Latin scripts can now use the visual editor.
 * The visual editor will now give you more tools to edit tables. You can move rows and columns in a table and copy parts of tables to make new ones. You can also copy and paste more than one cell at the same time.
 * The visual editor has a new warning message when you leave a page you are editing without saving. Non-English wikis might need to translate it.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 February. It will be on all wikis from 4 February (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 2 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is expiring watch list entries. The meeting will be on 3 February at 22:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg The  domain will be shut down. This is planned to happen in March. You should use   at each individual project domain instead.

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Thanks
Hi, I noticed you have been keeping me honest with the updates I made recently. I am new to this, and committed to doing it according to Wiki standard. Thank you for any suggestions you have. May I ask what happens to the old text that I am replacing with new text? Haunium (talk) 04:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC) haunium

What are you talking about — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.29.191.108 (talk) 06:27, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-06
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * Syntax highlighting support is now available for 53 more computer languages.
 * When you get a notification that an edit has been reverted, the notification now quotes part of the edit summary.
 * Octicons-tools.svg RESTBase is now using  instead of.

Changes this week
 * Wikidata will have a new data type called "math". It will be used for formulas.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 February. It will be on all wikis from 11 February (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 9 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is per-language URLs for pages of multilingual wikis. The meeting will be on 10 February at 22:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Other sites will be able to tell when visitors come from links on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites. They used to be able to do this until we started using forced HTTPS in June 2015. This is planned to happen on 15 February.
 * Wikidata will have a new data type called "external-id". It will be used for references to external resources. It will be enabled on February 16. Some properties will be changed to the new data type.

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Marty Pollio
"Apart from certain exceptions (i.e. non-diffusing subcategories, see below), an article should be categorised as low down in the category hierarchy as possible, without duplication in parent categories above it. In other words, a page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory or parent category (supercategory) of that category (unless the child category is non-diffusing – see below – or eponymous). For example, the article "Paris" need only be placed in "Category:Cities in France", not in both "Category:Cities in France" and "Category:Populated places in France". Because the first category (cities) is in the second category (populated places), readers are already given the information that Paris is a populated place in France by it being a city in France." There is nothing special about this person. A large number of people are known for more than one thing, but when categories are diffused, they are no longer kept in the parent cat. If they belong in more than one subcat, then we move them to all of the subcats they belong in. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:21, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


 * since the subject is mainly a comedian, then "People from Louisville, Kentucky" should be the sole choice for now. "Male actors" category is arguably unnecessary.  I was hoping we could avoid abuse-by-guideline, but we can settle on this, right?  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 17:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "Abuse by guideline"! Really? That's nice and civil. I'll let you have this because I don't like dealing with people like you who think guidelines just should not apply to their articles. You know, this person is so much more special than say Jerry Seinfeld who is not in People from New York City even though there is no Comedians from New York City category (I am not even aware of a category for comedians by city). Aboutmovies (talk) 17:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * interesting reading of things not in my very civil response. I do think guidelines apply to articles I work on, but as you know, guidelines are not absolute, they are "guidelines", and sometimes there are reasonable exceptions.  That's my point.  In this case, Pollio's main thing is being a comedian, so unless we have a more refined Louisville category that covers that, "People from" is fair. Also, I don't think we're here to judge who is special and who isn't -- that doesn't fit very well into an encyclopedic framework.  We are merely classifying an article here.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 17:40, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Jack Jouett
Was wondering what was changed in this edit. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 17:32, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * the diff shows the change, the curly to straight apostrophe change per WP:APOSTROPHE. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 17:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. However, I just checked the original American Heritage article and the curly is what is rendered in the original magazine.  WP:APOSTROPHE covers keeping either the straight or the curly within the text of a Wikipedia article, but what about artifact titles of references?  Shearonink (talk) 17:47, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It has been my understanding that the guideline applies to everything in the article, whether imported or not. For clarification, you may want to ask at the help desk or on the talk page for the guideline.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 17:53, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I was asking you for clarification, since you are the one changing the internal curvy to a straight. This particular issue - what to do about artifact curly's - does not seem to be covered within Wikipedia's help pages or anywhere within the Manual of Style.
 * If anyone else asks you for a reason on this, it is not directly addressed within WP:APOSTROPHE. The reason for preferring straight over curvy is explained within the Reasons to prefer straight quotation marks and apostrophes subsection of MOS:QUOTEMARKS,
 * Wikipedia's search facility treats differently styled quotation marks in unintuitive ways; and the suggestions that appear as users insert text ignore straight double quotation marks, but they treat other quotation marks as significant. They often distinguish straight and curly forms.
 * To follow the thread of my reasoning & conclusion for usage on artifact content... If the usage of a curly apostrophe would possibly mess up internal Wikipedia searches and mean that interested readers might not be unable to find the original source material then that would violate WP:VERIFY. So it then seems to me that yes, even though the curly was used in the original (and even though I personally dislike changing anything about original content) that in this instance and other similar circumstances, the curly should be changed to straight.  Shearonink (talk) 05:54, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Ultimately, it's the role of Wikipedia's guidelines and the help desk to handle clarification of how to work on this site. I am under no special obligation to explain what I do as long as I'm following guidelines. I pointed you in the right direction, and you saw what I have seen, and that's great.  Please consider that my time (like yours) is valuable and that I shouldn't have to explain everything that the Wikipedia guidelines already explain.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 11:33, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Louisville Infobox
Can we have the capacity tag filled in the infobox ? I know the history is interesting but Louisville is the only D1 program to have it displayed like that and not have a value for the tag. (It s mandatory according to the template). 181.135.220.117 (talk) 20:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-07
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * You can now edit pages on the mobile site version without JavaScript.
 * You can now use the Math extension to write chemistry formulas.

Problems
 * A few editors might have been logged in as someone else because of a bug. For security reasons everyone was logged out on 9 February. If you have seen this bug, you can report it.

Changes this week
 * There is a beta feature that adds links to the subject on other Wikimedia projects. The plan was to have it leave beta testing and be enabled for everyone in January. It will happen on 16 February instead. Wikis that don't want this can decide to have it disabled.
 * Cross-wiki notifications will be available as a beta feature on Wikidata, MediaWiki, Commons, and all Hebrew and French wikis on 19 February.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 February. It will be on all wikis from 18 February (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 16 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The search function on Wikimedia wikis will get a completion suggester that tries to find the right pages as the user is typing. It will also recognize some typos. This will probably happen in March. It is currently in beta.

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Talk:Nick Burdi
Yep, a misclick. I didn't even realize I clicked anything. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-08
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Phabricator has been upgraded.

Problems
 * There was no new MediaWiki version last week. Changes that were planned to happen last week will happen this week instead. This is because of a bug that made saving pages take longer time.

Changes this week
 * After February 23, you can use Wikidata for inter-language links on Wikiversity.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 23 February at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is Assign RFCs to ArchCom shepherds. The meeting will be on 24 February at 22:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 7
Newsletter • February 2016

This month:

One database for Wikipedia requests

Development of the extension for setting up WikiProjects, as described in the last issue of this newsletter, is currently underway. No terribly exciting news on this front.

In the meantime, we are working on a prototype for a new service we hope to announce soon. The problem: there are requests scattered all across Wikipedia, including requests for new articles and requests for improvements to existing articles. We Wikipedians are very good at coming up with lists of things to do. But once we write these lists, where do they end up? How can we make them useful for all editors—even those who do not browse the missing articles lists, or the particular WikiProjects that have lists?

Introducing Wikipedia Requests, a new tool to centralize the various lists of requests around Wikipedia. Requests will be tagged by category and WikiProject, making it easier to find requests based on what your interests are. Accompanying this service will be a bot that will let you generate reports from this database on any wiki page, including WikiProjects. This means that once a request is filed centrally, it can syndicated all throughout Wikipedia, and once it is fulfilled, it will be marked as "complete" throughout Wikipedia. The idea for this service came about when I saw that it was easy to put together to-do lists based on database queries, but it was harder to do this for human-generated requests when those requests are scattered throughout the wiki, siloed throughout several pages. This should especially be useful for WikiProjects that have overlapping interests.

The newsletter this month is fairly brief; not a lot of news, just checking in to say that we are hard at work and hope to have more for you soon.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 01:44, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-09
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * Thanks to the Graph extension and Pageview API, we now have   templates that can show pageviews for any wiki page for any of the wikis. See the examples.
 * The Capiunto extension is installed on test wiki. Capiunto provides flexible infobox functionality for Scribunto and generates HTML for infobox features such as headers and rows. It is designed for clean and modern infoboxes that are driven by data from Wikidata, easily usable across different language versions, and easily extensible.
 * The visual editor now follows the TemplateData  setting announced in November. When you edit or add a use of a template, the wikitext will be laid out in one of the two ways.
 * The order of parameters and format defined in a template's TemplateData will be now respected.

Changes this week
 * On wikis where the visual editor is available in single edit tab mode, red links may open the visual editor instead of the wikitext editor, depending on user preferences.
 * Anonymous editor warning is now displayed as a warningbox for consistency in both the visual editor and the wikitext editor.
 * Parsoid has been updated to fit some HTML 5 specifications.

Meetings
 * Resigning executive director Lila Tretikov is taking questions at Knowledge Engine FAQ regarding the much talked about project.
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 1 March at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Shawnee Fossil Plant info being unwikied.
The information I placed about Shawnee Fossil Plant was some of the information that I have taught for the past four years. It has been passed down from instructor to instructor since the plant was originally built. I simply did not know how to reference study material from our training program. If it was improper to post information of this type I apologize, and will not try to add any additional information about the station that I have operated for the past 30 years. Thanks and apologies again John Jewell1 (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * It's important to realize that these article pages aren't places to dump unformatted text for others to clean up. We expect clean, encyclopedic copy (as best as you can do) from the start.  If you have questions about how to add references for the material, or how to wikify it, that should be done before adding the material.  Start here, or for information about citing sources, see WP:CITE.  Your knowledge is very welcome here, but to work on Wikipedia articles seriously requires some self-training and asking questions.  Beyond what I've already said, please feel free to ask me any specific questions.  The WP:HELPDESK is also available.  Also check out WP:COI if you continue to have a close relationship with the subject you are writing about.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 20:56, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations
If you like you can add this template to your page.

<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  14:04, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Deletion confusion

 * About the previous deletion of Edward Cornelius Humphrey and Edward William Cornelius Humphrey: I am confused by these deletions which appear in Wikipedia's record of articles I have created as two deletions (not by you) with the comment that one appears to have been copied from the other. Although related, these two men are not the same person, and I have tried to distinguish between the two articles and the two different men.Mitzi.humphrey (talk) 20:23, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I noticed your comment yesterday that I should refrain from posting categories on my current article-in-progress on Edward Cornelius Humphrey, so I think you are familiar with the article. I don't think I have ever yet submitted it. I have been having trouble finding documentation of his military record as a United States Army medical officer in the French theatre of WWII and am holding off submitting the article until I can access that record.Mitzi.humphrey (talk) 20:23, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-10
<section begin="technews-2016-W10"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * Files on Wikimedia Commons can now be 2 GB big. The old limit was 1 GB.
 * Welcome notifications now have a different symbol. English Wikipedia already had this one.
 * The Wikimedia memory cache servers in the Eqiad cluster have now been upgraded to Debian 8 (Jessie). Some users might have had to log in again because of this.
 * It is now easier to categorize images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in the Commons Android app.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Bare attributes in tags now parse according to the HTML5 specifications.  will parse as   instead of   as it used to. Please use   or   instead. This is mostly likely to affect pages on Wikisource projects.

Problems
 * Phabricator has been a bit unstable lately. This should be fixed now.
 * The PageView API shows wrong data between 23 February and 29 February for pages with special characters in their title.
 * The parsing change mentioned above caused a large number of pages to break, especially on Wikisource.
 * You may see falsely formatted edit links on both mobile and desktop devices. Mobile devices can also show incorrect formatted table of contents. This should be fixed soon.
 * Templates using TemplateData that were edited with the visual editor might have some problems in wikitext mode. This can be fixed by editing and saving the page by using the visual editor without making any changes.

Changes this week
 * Cross-wiki notifications will be enabled as a beta feature on all wikis on 10 March. You will be able to get notifications when something happens on another Wikimedia wiki.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 March. It will be on all wikis from 10 March (calendar).
 * Wikivoyages will get the Kartographer extension. Kartographer will allow  and   tags in an article to insert an interactive map and overlay it with different markers. You can add ideas and suggestions to the Maps talk page. If you find any bugs, you can report them in Phabricator.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 March at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * The buttons in interfaces will be simplified. Instead of white, red, green and blue buttons, in future there will only be white, red and blue ones.
 * The Wikimedia technical operations team plans to do some server work on 22 March. This could cause some problems, for example make it possible to read but not edit the Wikimedia wikis for a short period of time. The date for this might change.

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Beverly Hills Supper Club fire
I see you have done quite a few edits to this article. Over the years I have made a couple.

One of the sources being used as a IC would not pass WP:RS. I am talking about "Beverly Hills Supper Club: The Untold Story of Kentucky's Worst Tragedy" which is IC 5 and 12 and are used multiple times during the article. The book is self published. More information about its publisher can be found here.

What do you think should be done?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:09, 8 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I just cleaned up and merged those cites, and we've ended up with fewer of them, as in a couple of spots, they were used twice (!). I agree the cite is less than optimal, but I don't think associated content should be ripped out unless it seems extraordinary. I would recommend a gradual review to see if more reliable sources cover the statement, and if not, insert a Unreliable source? tag.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 18:37, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-11
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Recent changes
 * The mobile web interface no longer suggests HiDPI thumbnails. This is to take up less bandwidth on slow or expensive connections.
 * The search engine on wikipedia.org has been updated.

Changes this week
 * Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. Because of planned work on this, you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for a short period of time on both 22 March and 24 March. This could be postponed to April 18. You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. Because of a test, there will also be a couple of minutes where you can't edit the wikis on 15 March starting 07:00 UTC. You can read more about the server work. There will be more notifications and updates about this.
 * Administrators and other users with advanced permissions will need to have an 8-byte long passwords. This change takes place on 15 March. Users with too short passwords will be asked to change password the next time they log in. This was decided in a discussion on Meta and is because they can use tools that can hurt the wikis.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 March. It will be on all wikis from 17 March (calendar).
 * The buttons in interfaces will be simplified. Instead of white, red, green and blue buttons, in future there will only be white, red and blue ones.

Meetings
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 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topics this week are backlog and thumb API. The meeting will be on 16 March at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Thrilla in Manilla result
Sorry but you're wrong my friend. The only source that matters says RTD, it doesn't matter how many sources say TKO, they obviously don't know the difference (there isn't much, its still a technical knockout and counts as a knockout on record). Also the rules of boxing would mean its RTD which I've already explained but I'll do so again. Frazier's corner pulled him out between rounds while the clock was stopped, that's RTD not TKO. TKO is when its stopped mid round while the clock is running. If you want the page to be wrong then ok leave it as it is but trust me I'm right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenzo9378 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * it doesn't matter what you or I think, reliable sources (i.e., mainstream media reports about the fight) say it was a "technical knockout", and therefore that is what the encyclopedia should say. If you can find a reliable source (mainstream media report) that shows the TKO was revised to a RTD, then we'll have something to negotiate.  As I said in an edit summary, all you need do is google , and there you will see the sources.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 16:26, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Also, BoxRec is a volunteer-edited site, which typically makes it not the most reliable. It may do for backing up stats listings in general, but ultimately we have to look at what the Wikipedia calls reliable sources.  BoxRec is not an official records site for boxing, and it has been criticized for inaccuracy.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 16:45, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Its obvious the mainstream media would have reported it as a TKO because RTD is still a stoppage and a techinal knockout, but its easier for them not to have to explain RTD.


 * Boxrec is actually what is normally used as the main source for boxing stats and results on Wiki. Yes its volunteer edited (like Wiki infact), but its edited by people that are closely involved in the sport and used by professionals. It's the biggest database and most accurate site for boxing, particularly for fight results like this. It's not official but its the closest you're going to get and I can't think of an occasion where it has been wrong, this result included. Boxing Hall of Fame also has the result as RTD.


 * Sorry but the mainstream media has also been criticized for inaccuracy and is certainly not an offical records site for boxing. Therefore its not the most reliable source to be accurate on this, no matter what you think. Although as you say, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Why don't you look up the rules of boxing (which you have so far disregarded) and you will see a TKO is a mid round stoppage and RTD is a between round stoppage. That makes this result RTD.


 * We are required to go with what the reliable sources say, and they say TKO. If you would like to get a third opinion or start an RFC to resolve this matter toward your conclusion, please proceed.  Until then, reliable sources back up TKO.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 03:36, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Your recent edits to Union College Bulldogs
A big thank you! Jacona (talk) 23:25, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-12
<section begin="technews-2016-W12"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Problems
 * Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. The Wikimedia Technology department planned to test it this week. This will take place the week of April 18 instead. You can read more about the server work. There will be more notifications and updates about this.
 * In Firefox, the visual editor would sometimes just jump down to the bottom of the page when you double-clicked on a table cell. This has now been fixed.

Changes this week
 * It will now be easier to list IP addresses that don't have to solve CAPTCHAs.
 * You will now be able to mark Echo notifications as unread.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 March. It will be on all wikis from 23 March (calendar).

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 March at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg URLs in the recent changes IRC feed will no longer be rewritten to unencrypted HTTP. This could be a breaking change for bots dependent on the IRC feed. This will happen on May 2.

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Tech News: 2016-13
<section begin="technews-2016-W13"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * MediaWiki now supports the semantic web standards of Microdata and RDFa 1.0. On Wikimedia projects, a configuration change must be requested in order to enable RDFa 1.0.

Problems
 * Adding references with Citoid was broken for approximately 6 hours on 24 March. This was fixed.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 March. It will be on all wikis from 31 March (calendar).
 * You will be able to remove the header and footer style from User language (babel) boxes. This will make it easier to use them with other userboxes.

Meetings
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with part of the Architecture committee, which will discuss a few topics. The meeting will be on 30 March at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg The Architecture committee has sent a summary of new and ongoing RFC discussions.

Future changes
 * Commons will soon have improved access to Wikidata's data. It will then be possible to access data about any concept on any page on Commons. Assistance with testing this on the beta cluster is appreciated.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Wikibits.js will not be loaded by default anymore starting April 2016. Gadget and script authors should have already updated their code since the previous announcements, but there is another migration path available if needed. See wikitech-l for details.

Corrections
 * Last week Tech News said the new MediaWiki version would come to wikis from 21 March to 23 March. The right dates were 22 March to 24 March.

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Talk:Kim Davis (county clerk)
I invite you to ongoing RfC discussion. --George Ho (talk) 17:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-14
<section begin="technews-2016-W14"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * You can filter Special:Log in more detail.
 * Wikimedia wikis have a new way of counting visitors.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from April 5. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from April 6. It will be on all wikis from April 7 (calendar).

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criticism of Mary koss
how was it POV. honestly i did not refer anything to my own opinion on the matter but other peoples. i do this because it is the view of people that the criticism made to her. i would like to see your argument as to why you removed it Danielstretton (talk) 22:24, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The specific problem is you state your own opinion on top of whatever you're sourcing. The bad grammar and structure make it even worse.  Overall, it appears you are trying to make the subject look bad as if you have some axe to grind. You need to keep it all balanced and neutral, and strictly according to reliable sources.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 22:57, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

i did cite every claim. when it comes to rape it is always going to look bad, especially when it is talking about potentially dismissing potential victims of the crime. the views of some feminists and MRA's would only be unreliable if it was not there opinions. i cited one for feminists and one for MRA's. since the claim i made was on there opinion and not my own. Christina Hoff sommers is a well known feminist and a voice for men is arguably one on of the most well known men's rights organizations.

C-J access
Do you have access to archives of The Courier-Journal that would go back to at least 1975? I'm trying to track down a bit of info, but not having much luck. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 16:18, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * sorry, no, I do not, although that would come in handy sometimes. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 16:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 16:35, 30 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I haven't much available time these days, but I do have access to Louisville Courier-Journal archives in Newspapers.com, via my Ancestry.com software. I may be able to help with some of your research from time to time.Mitzi.humphrey (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you from a new Wiki User
Thank you for helping with the Jamie Eads wiki page. As a brand new user, your help was instrumental in getting everything sorted. I really appreciate it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.224.232 (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2016‎ UTC

Tech News: 2016-15
<section begin="technews-2016-W15"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available. Recent changes
 * The visual editor can generate wikicode with image options in your language. Examples of image options are "thumb" or "left". You can ask to change to options in your language in Phabricator.
 * Wiktionaries and Wikisources can now use the visual editor. It is an opt-in beta feature. It still needs development to work better with these projects.
 * ORES is using new models. Tools that use ORES' predictions can behave strangely. ORES also has a new API.
 * The visual editor now supports classical Greek characters.

Problems
 * There was a bug when you used keyboard arrows in templates in the visual editor. This has now been fixed.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 April. It will be on all wikis from 14 April (calendar).
 * The wikipedia.org portal will get many small bug fixes and improvements. Most will be for the search box and suggested results that were added in March.

Meetings
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 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topics this week are improving transclusion of templates for Parsoid and balanced templates. The meeting will be on 13 April at 21:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. Because of planned work on this, you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for a short period of time on both 19 April and 21 April. This will start at 14:00 UTC and last for 15 to 30 minutes.

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Tech News: 2016-16
<section begin="technews-2016-W16"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * You can filter Special:Log in more detail. You can filter different imports and new users.
 * You can use Telnet to read Wikimedia wikis.
 * MediaWiki wikis can handle bigger file uploads. The new limit is 4 GB.

Changes this week
 * Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. Because of planned work on this, you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for a short period of time on both 19 April and 21 April. This will start at 14:00 UTC and last for 15 to 30 minutes.
 * There is no new Mediawiki version this week. This is because of the data center test.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on April 19 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.
 * Octicons-tools.svg You can join the next meeting with the Architecture committee. The topic this week is shadow namespaces. The meeting will be on 20 April at 21:30 (UTC). See how to join.

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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 8
Newsletter • March / April 2016

This month:

Transclude article requests anywhere on Wikipedia

In the last issue of the WikiProject X Newsletter, I discussed the upcoming Wikipedia Requests system: a central database for outstanding work on Wikipedia. I am pleased to announce Wikipedia Requests is live! Its purpose is to supplement automatically generated lists, such as those from SuggestBot, Reports bot, or Wikidata. It is currently being demonstrated on WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health (which I work on as part of my NIOSH duties) and WikiProject Women scientists.

Adding a request is as simple as filling out a form. Just go to the Add form to add your request. Adding sources will help ensure that your request is fulfilled more quickly. And when a request is fulfilled, simply click "mark as complete" and it will be removed from all the lists it's on. All at the click of a button! (If anyone is concerned, all actions are logged.)

With this new service is a template to transclude these requests: Wikipedia Requests. It's simple to use: add the template to a page, specifying,  , or  , and the list will be transcluded. For example, for requests having to do with all living people, just do. Use these lists on WikiProjects but also for edit-a-thons where you want a convenient list of things to do on hand. Give it a shot!

Help us build our list!

The value of Wikipedia Requests comes from being a centralized database. The long work to migrating individual lists into this combined list is slowly underway. As of writing, we have 883 open tasks logged in Wikipedia Requests. We need your help building this list.

If you know of a list of missing articles, or of outstanding tasks for existing articles, that you would like to migrate to this new system, head on over to Wikipedia Requests and help out. Doing this will help put your list in front of more eyes—more than just your own WikiProject.

An open database means new tools

WikiProject X maintains a database that associates article talk pages (and draft talk pages) with WikiProjects. This database powers many of the reports that Reports bot generates. However, until very recently, this database was not made available to others who might find its data useful. It's only common sense to open up the database and let others build tools with it.

And indeed: Citation Hunt, the game to add citations to Wikipedia, now lets you filter by WikiProject, using the data from our database.

Are you a tool developer interested in using this? Here are some details: the database resides on Tool Labs with the name. The table that associates WikiProjects with articles and drafts is called. Pages are stored by talk page title but in the future this should change. Have fun!

On the horizon


 * The work on the CollaborationKit extension continues. The extension will initially focus on reducing template and Lua bloat on WikiProjects (especially our WPX UI demonstration projects), and will from there create custom interfaces for creating and maintaining WikiProjects.
 * The WikiCite meeting will be in Berlin in May. The goal of the meeting is to figure out how to build a bibliographic database for use on the Wikimedia projects. This fits in quite nicely with WikiProject X's work: we want to make it easier for people to find things to work on, and with a powerful, open bibliographic database, we can build recommendations for sources. This feature was requested by the Wikipedia Library back in September, and this meeting is a major next step. We look forward to seeing what comes out of this meeting.

Until next time,

Harej (talk) 01:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

New user
Stevietheman, today I uploaded my first draft into my sandbox. As a new user, I'm bound to make a lot of mistakes so please forgive me if I shouldn't contact you--or in this manner. For the past 7 years, I have been researching the lives of Joseph and Arthur McCormack, both of whom were long-time heads of the Kentucky Department of Health (1883-1913 and 1913-1943). I'm writing to you because I'm trying to use your article about Luke Blackburn as the model for mine. And because you are interested in Louisville history. (BTW, Blackburn appointed Joseph McCormack to the Board of Health in 1880 and I'll be linking my article with yours.)

I'm finding it much more difficult to write an encyclopedic article than to write academically. I have so much material that it's hard to know what to include or leave out of the Wikipedia article. For example, McCormack was the lead physician attending to Geobel after the assassination attempt and is the physician who signed his death certificate. That's not really important to my story, but I have included it so I can link to the article about Goebel. Somehow, that feels like cheating even if it does help illustrate McCormack's reputation as a surgeon.

I posted my first question to the Teahouse this afternoon and will be using that resource a lot. Still, it would be nice to chat with someone familiar with Louisville/Kentucky history. (I no longer live there; I've retired to Asheville via Atlanta. I seem to have been following you around the South. ) What I've written so far mostly concerns McCormack's activities on the national scene. I'd like to make my article more relevant to Kentucky.

I'm hoping you'll be willing to "adopt" me while I get the hang of things. Again, I'll use the TeaHouse for my routine questions and would direct my "Kentucky" questions to you. And, again, please accept my apology if this is an inappropriate request. The email address I use for my research is McCormack1847 at  gmail in case we should communicate via email. For now, I'm going to start adding my citations to the article. Cordially, Valerie  Drvalsummers (talk) 21:45, 14 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm busy working on my garden and yard through this weekend, but perhaps next week I can take a look at this. I'm sorry for the delay.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 22:11, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I understand about the gardening; I'm doing the same thing. I apologize for the duplicate entries to your talk page.  I'm still learning the ropes. Drvalsummers (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Dr Boyce Watkins Article: resolve edit War
So as not to engage in an edit war, please suggest how you would like to have the issue resolved? Dr. Boyce Watkins has released a video in which he directs comments at Lil' Wayne and explicitly suggests that Lil' Wayne is condoning violence in return for payment from a "White and Jewish overseer". You have repeatedly removed the citation expressing that it is not noteworthy. Notability is neither a requirement nor an expectation for citations [see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability]. Furthermore this quote helps provide context as to the nature of the Lil' Wayne/Boyce Watkins controversy which is itself notable. Please explain your reason for having this citation removed and suggest a solution. Starting edit wars is not acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.226.181.194 (talk) 17:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * The resolution is to stop adding it back unless you can find reliable secondary sources. Content based on a primary source that appears to be an incendiary personal attack on the subject violates WP:BLP and therefore we cannot allow it to remain.  Also note I am not referring to "notability" but noteworthiness as determined from reliable secondary reporting.  Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 17:44, 22 April 2016 (UTC)