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Clemente
With all due respect, I don't see how you can possibly compare Legacy of George Washington and Legacy of Alan Turing with that of an athlete who gave to charity. That is false equivalence.

Additionally, I would not have added this page to Afd if I didn't think it was made in bad faith - the user lifted passages from sister links - and even then I did so after I tried to fix the many supposedly "reliable references" without links/urls in them.

(Note: I came here because the Afd was closed and you accused me wrong of "wikilawyering" which I was NOT and I wanted to defend myself.) Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)


 * And again, I mean this with all due respect. We disagree on whether this article is salavagable or not, basically. I think it is not and gave my reasons as to why. And I think, had WikiProject Baseball been involved, this page would have been deleted as an athlete's legacy is almost always what they did on the field and little of anything else - unless that other thing is a big deal - i.e. Clemente's tragic death (already covered in a seperate article), Pete Rose's betting and ban, etc. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As you can see on the AfD page, I struck the "wikilawyering" text. At any rate, you have a right to your opinions about this article and everyone else does too. Essentially, no harm is done to the Wikipedia for an article that needs work to exist. Since the subject is viable, and likely plenty WP:RS exists, it can gradually be brought up to snuff. My comparison to other legacy articles is simply that "Legacy of..." articles exist - it wasn't to compare the legacies themselves.
 * It seems overall you wish for a different outcome because you believe you're right and others are wrong. Welcome to the club. We all go through that from time to time. Any number of things have happened here that I've objected to. But we have a process. And I respect the process. If the AfD had gone the other way, I would have disagreed with it, but realized that the process was reasonable and respected the result. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 18:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * , thank you! I stand on the shoulders of giants. Lots of great typo work got done before I came along and is still ongoing by others, so I share this barnstar with them. Cheers! Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 20:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Welcome, welcome, welcome StefenTower! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles. CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:55, 1 February 2024 UTC //en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:StefenTower&action=purge refresh via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

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Sometimes...
I wanna say "Gimme a Break! with this nothingburger" in particular situations here. I obviously won't do that so as to cover my butt. Heh. Stefen Towers among the rest!  Gab • Gruntwerk 15:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Just a word
Hello there! As you know, I blanked and redirected the page which you have restored - as is my right under the rules - and I also did so after determining that there is not enough information on Clemente's legacy, nothing specific. I did not do it because I wanted to (as you seem to imply). You know I would not do so otherwise.

There is simply not enough/very little on Clemente's legacy to justify a seperate article. Please, be reasonable here and just redirect this page to the main article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:47, 8 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I have seen no evidence of research on this article beyond your claims of having done so. What I can see with my eyes is your deleting out of the article part by part after not getting a result you desired in the previous AfD per an apparent WP:POINT exercise. What I expected is a combination of adding material and subtracting material to right-size the article. For a time, I assumed good faith that you were engaging in right-sizing, but at the end, all that appears is that you just wanted to delete it all. Per that and we have a community process that decided to keep the article, I am being wiki-reasonable on this. There is no harm to the Wikipedia in keeping this article around while, eventually, other editors may seek to improve it. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 18:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, I removed the quotes and added a link to wikiquote from where the quotes were. And I removed incorrect information. That was indeed in good faith. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a lot of the deletions were within reason and done in good faith, but the community decided to keep the article as a whole. Please let that stand. After a considerable period of time, if the article hasn't significantly improved, you can try a second AfD. We need to stick to the community processes and not engage in disruptive practices. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 19:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Very well. I will let it go. But believe me when I say that I did do my own research. Mainly SABR articles and re-reading the go-to biography on Clemente. Of course, due to limitations, I couldn't given them in the page summary itself. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I also want to add the blank and redirect to Clemente's "Honors and legacy" section in the main was also done in good faith. I just believed that section has more reliable sources and is more detailed, though it has more to do with his honors - i.e. Hall of Fame and so on - than his legacy (I hope that make sense). Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no reason why reliable sources cannot be copied over to the legacy subarticle, which is normally expected to go into deeper detail than the main article. The legacy subarticle can be developed to provide greater detail than the main one, while the main can summarize. And this would naturally mean that content and its sources are copied over. There seems to be an insistence from you that the main article have all the content related to this sub-subject, and I don't understand where that comes from. We regularly spin off content into subarticles here at the Wikipedia, so as to take a deeper dive into something. I'd rather not get a sense that a subarticle is being starved to make a point, but that's how it seems in this case. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 19:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That particular section mostly about the Halls of Fame he has been elected to and baseball awards and honors he has been given, not about his legacy as a Puerto Rican icon and his charitable stuff, and most of the info on him being Puerto Rican is about the discrimination he faced while playing in America or about him playing in the Puerto Rican Professional Baseball League (and his personal life, of course). Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Depending on the honor, they can be a part of one's legacy. At any rate, my statement you are replying to is a general point that it's the normal way in the Wikipedia to do deeper dives in subarticles while summarizing the sub-subject in the main, and we shouldn't be starving the legacy article unnecessarily. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 19:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll check it out. I'll also ask a few older participants in WikiProject Baseball if they can help out since they tend know more about baseball subarticles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:00, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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Albums recorded in Louisville, Kentucky
I understand that Middletown is in the Louisville metro area but the category scheme for Category:Live albums recorded in Louisville, Kentucky is set up for venues located in Louisville that have their own subcategories and not just any album recorded in Louisville. That's why the category has the Container category template on it. Thank you. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 04:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't see why it has to be a container category. I don't see any damage from it not being one. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 04:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * As a compromise I created Category:Albums recorded at Southeast Christian Church, although it really shouldn't exist because it's not a notable venue as I assume it is not a place where a lot of live albums have been recorded. The reason the city categories are container categories is because an album recorded in any particular city in and of itself is not a defining quality of the album because it was recorded in Los Angeles or New York City or Louisville, as it really doesn't make any difference. It can be defining based on the venue in which the album was recorded, if such venue is itself notable, and the city categories were developed/created to serve as parents of those venue categories for easier navigation. Thanks again. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 06:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's all fine, and if that's the way it needs to be, it's not a bad solution. :) By the way, Southeast Christian Church is the largest church in the Louisville area and as of 2019, the 4th largest in the U.S. (per the article), so there's that. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 06:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It's all good. I'm certainly not saying the church isn't notable, just not as sure it is as a musical venue. 06:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Province or province
Had a quick question/observation on your recent changes of Province of Pennsylvania to province of Pennsylvania. Do you see a lack of capitalization anywhere that led you to believe it should not be capitalized? Every reference to it that I have seen capitalizes it. Here, for instance, is one example from the Pennsylvania Historical Commission from the state website: I am going to restore it to the capitalized format. But if I am missing something, please let me know. Just want to make sure we have it right. Thanks very much. Keystone18 (talk) 13:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)


 * We'll leave it capped. Every once in a while, I overindulge the typo fix suggestion – it's not always right. If you believe this is a significant typo fixing problem, perhaps bring this up as a topic at WT:AWB/T. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 15:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

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 * Communities can now customize the default reasons for undeleting a page by creating MediaWiki:Undelete-comment-dropdown.

Problems
 * RevisionSlider is an interface to interactively browse a page's history. Users in right-to-left languages reported RevisionSlider reacting wrong to mouse clicks. This should be fixed now.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on March 20. This is planned at 14:00 UTC.

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MediaWiki message delivery 17:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Twenty Year Society
Dear ,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Twenty Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for twenty years or more. &#x200B;

Best regards,  Chris Troutman  ( talk )  13:43, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly for the invite. I have joined. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 00:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

 * Thank you. Yup, it's been 20 years of correcting other editors' typos and removing uncited material, and well, doing some actual contributions of my own. Heh. Hopefully, my presence has been more constructive than not. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 03:05, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow, congrats on 20 years! Every edit and contribution to the encyclopedia you have made over the years is so important and you have made such a positive impact on this community. Thank you! -- A Rose Wolf  13:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words. On to the next 20. :) Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 00:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * No prob. Glad to help. Thanks for the barnstar! Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 22:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Charles McGruder III moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to Charles McGruder III. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and '''please look at the notability criteria WP:NPROF. There is nothing in the current draft, e.g. awards & citations that qualifies. You may be able to add, which is why I have moved it to a draft so you can'''. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Ldm1954 (talk) 23:32, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-13
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Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg An update was made on March 18th 2024 to how various projects load site, user JavaScript and CSS in Vector 2022 skin. A checklist is provided for site admins to follow.

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MediaWiki message delivery 18:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 March 2024
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Tech News: 2024-14
<section begin="technews-2024-W14"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Users of the reading accessibility beta feature will notice that the default line height for the standard and large text options has changed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * The Wikimedia Foundation has an annual plan. The annual plan decides what the Wikimedia Foundation will work on. You can now read the draft key results for the Product and Technology department. They are suggestions for what results the Foundation wants from big technical changes from July 2024 to June 2025. You can comment on the talk page.

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MediaWiki message delivery 03:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Louisville Infobox
Hello, I just wanted to ping you to state that I restored the prior infobox image layout because (i) the images were being pushed out of sequence, and (ii) I don't see why two images of the same thing (the skyline/downtown) are really warranted. That being said if you feel strongly that the image should be included I would not protest further. Just wanted to let you know politely and personally why I restored it! Have a good day. 636Buster (talk) 17:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


 * That's fine. The format worked in my browser when I did it and I even checked it out in the Wikipedia app. But that said, I see your point. I was thinking that the daytime skyline in combo with the bridge was different enough to add. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 17:47, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Bonked
I'm quite bonked right now so my editing is going to be reduced for a while. Burnout is real, folks. Always be sure to catch a breath when you need one. I will continue watchlist duty and some other minor work until I feel "recovered". Stefen Towers among the rest!  Gab • Gruntwerk 08:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-15
<section begin="technews-2024-W15"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Web browsers can use tools called extensions. There is now a Chrome extension called Citation Needed which you can use to see if an online statement is supported by a Wikipedia article. This is a small experiment to see if Wikipedia can be used this way. Because it is a small experiment, it can only be used in Chrome in English.
 * Octicons-gift.svg A new Edit Recovery feature has been added to all wikis, available as a user preference. Once you enable it, your in-progress edits will be stored in your web browser, and if you accidentally close an editing window or your browser or computer crashes, you will be prompted to recover the unpublished text. Please leave any feedback on the project talk page. This was the #8 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
 * Initial results of Edit check experiments have been published. Edit Check is now deployed as a default feature at the wikis that tested it. Let us know if you want your wiki to be part of the next deployment of Edit check.
 * Readers using the Minerva skin on mobile will notice there has been an improvement in the line height across all typography settings.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * New accounts and logged-out users will get the visual editor as their default editor on mobile. This deployment is made at all wikis except for the English Wikipedia.

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Louisville Newsletter
Stefen Towers among the rest!  Gab • Gruntwerk 06:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

?
So tell me...the other editor is edit warring over whether Liston's nickname is "The Big Bear" instead of "the Big Bear"... Previously I had misunderstood as to what the simmering ongoing issue was, I thought someone was thinking his nickname wasn't Big Bear and someone else was saying oh yes it was Big Bear. Anyway, just wanted to mention that in a 1968 Sports Illustrated article he was referred to as "The Big Bear" with a capital T...
 * "Don't be afraid," Geraldine used to counsel. "He don't bite." We poor, petty men were not going to try to find out. Instead, we called him The Big Bear, because maybe he did bite, and we described his look as "baleful," a word which means "foreboding evil."

- Shearonink (talk) 17:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * PS - Yes I did read your talkpage instructions and I do know this is about the Sonny Liston article but wanted to get your take on it here first if that's ok. Shearonink (talk) 17:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * As you know, we have guidelines for how we present content. Just because a source capitalizes "The" doesn't mean we are supposed to do that. I was going by WP:THE. If I have misunderstood the guideline, please inform. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 18:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I have left a note for the other editor to hopefully further help clear up the matter. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 18:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-16
<section begin="technews-2024-W16"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems
 * Between 2 April and 8 April, on wikis using Flagged Revisions, the "" tag was not applied to undone edits. In addition, page moves, protections and imports were not autoreviewed. This problem is now fixed.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Default category sort keys will now affect categories added by templates placed in footnotes. Previously footnotes used the page title as the default sort key even if a different default sort key was specified (category-specific sort keys already worked).
 * A new variable <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> will be added to abuse filters. It tells how many seconds ago the last edit to a page was made.

Future changes
 * Volunteer developers are kindly asked to update the code of their tools and features to handle temporary accounts. Learn more.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Four database fields will be removed from database replicas (including Quarry). This affects only the <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> and <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> tables. Some queries might need to be updated.

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-17
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Recent changes
 * Starting this week, newcomers editing Wikipedia will be encouraged to try structured tasks. Structured tasks have been shown to improve newcomer activation and retention.
 * You can nominate your favorite tools for the fifth edition of the Coolest Tool Award. Nominations will be open until May 10.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).

Future changes
 * This is the last warning that by the end of May 2024 the Vector 2022 skin will no longer share site and user scripts/styles with old Vector. For user-scripts that you want to keep using on Vector 2022, copy the contents of /vector.js to /vector-2022.js. There are more technical details available. Interface administrators who foresee this leading to lots of technical support questions may wish to send a mass message to your community, as was done on French Wikipedia.

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MediaWiki message delivery 20:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 62
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 * IEEE and Haaretz now available
 * Let's Connect Clinics about The Wikipedia Library
 * Spotlight and Wikipedia Library tips

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The Signpost: 25 April 2024
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Wlinks
Hi. May i ask why you unpipe wlinks, as which resulted in at least eight links to redirects which previously pointed to the exact article required through the pipe? I'm sure that there probably is a reason for this that i'm just unaware of, so i'm wondering for my future use if the use of the pipe trick is deprecated in favour of adding redirects? Thanks. Happy days, ~ LindsayHello 05:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * WP:NOPIPE is in play here ("It is generally not good practice to pipe links simply to avoid redirects"). If a redirect is what you actually want to say and it already redirects to the correct article, use the redirect. Otherwise, pipe from the actual article link. This is about having the least complicated wiki text possible and also being able to track redirect use (like to help decide if a new article is necessary).
 * What I'm doing with the script is fixing all the links back to where they should have been, kind of a reset, or lint cleaning if you will. In ordinary wiki writing, it's easy to unnecessarily pipe a direct link, and I make that mistake as well. But it's not a serious problem, and I wouldn't sweat it. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 05:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-18
<section begin="technews-2024-W18"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes


 * The appearance of talk pages changed for the following wikis: . These wikis participated to a test, where 50% of users got the new design, for one year. As this test gave positive results, the new design is deployed on these wikis as the default design. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences (""). The deployment will happen at all wikis in the coming weeks.
 * Seven new wikis have been created:
 * a in Betawi
 * a in Kusaal
 * a in Igala
 * a in Karakalpak
 * a in Burmese
 * a in Malay
 * a in Georgian
 * You can now watch message groups/projects on Translatewiki.net. Initially, this feature will notify you of added or deleted messages in these groups.
 * Dark mode is now available on all wikis, on mobile web for logged-in users who opt into the advanced mode. This is the early release of the feature. Technical editors are invited to check for accessibility issues on wikis. See more detailed guidelines.

Problems
 * Kartographer maps can use an alternative visual style without labels, by using <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> . This wasn't working in previews, creating the wrong impression that it wasn't supported. This has now been fixed.

Changes later this week
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MediaWiki message delivery 03:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

My Recent Addition
Apologies about the mix up it appears my account was accessed illegitimately as i have been away from my computer thank you for bringing this to my attention JohnLeHistorian (talk) 19:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)