User talk:Stellabystarlight

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Golden Gate Fields
Hi Stellabystarlight. I reverted your addition of the category "Horse racing venues in the United States" because the Golden Gate Fields article already has the subcategory "Horse racing venues in California". This is in line with general WP policy to avoid overcategorization and redundant categorization, specifically the guideline "An article should usually not be in both a category and its subcategory" found here. This is a very clearcut case where the article already is in the subcategory and placing it in the more general category is redundant, since every racing venue in California is automatically a racing venue in the United States. If someone goes to the "Horse racing venues in the United States" category, they see the subcategories, as well as the standalone articles which do not fall into any subcategories. That many racing venues appear in the general category is just an artifact that most states have only one or two racetracks. However, those states that have many racing venue articles have subcategories and their respective racing venues should appear in those subcategories, not at the level of the general category. -Krasnoludek (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Shackleford (horse)
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No. I am just a great fan of her deceased husband and have become very interested in her work. I shall refrain from adding any more to this topic if you find it unsuitable. I do try and stay off Vivian Stanshall's page even though I think it lacks a great deal about him and makes assumptions I don't think are true. Thank you for your helpful information. Stellabystarlight (talk) 21:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm a Bonzos fan myself. If there are things that are wrong in the Stanshall article, point them out on the talk page of the article and ask that they be fixed. As to the other: the Houdini Heart stuff you were adding to articles about everybody who appears in the book did seem to constitute undue emphasis on an obscure book by an obscure author, so my cynicism was triggered. (Working on Wikipedia too long, it's easy to become incredibly cynical about the extent to which people think Wikipedia exists as a medium by which one flogs oneself and one's work.) -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:19, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

You know who the Bonzos are? Allow me to use a cliche: what a small world. But what fun. Meanwhile, I've noticed his fans can get mean if they are contradicted or challenged. I know. I tried once a long time ago. So I just let them get on with it. I know answers to questions they pose, but I can't respond because I have no way to verify what I say. I've learned a few things about wiki and citations are very important. Just to say I know he said something or did something is no citation. Vivian deserves a better article but I am not the person to write it.Stellabystarlight (talk) 18:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep; gotta have the verifiable citations to reliable sources; personal knowledge is of no value here. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  19:17, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
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DYK for Stay Thirsty
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 The article you submitted to Articles for creation has been created. Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! Tigerboy1966 (talk) 00:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC) Accepting Rapid Redux. I haven't done this before so I hope I've done this correctly. I think it's a notable subject, and it's a reasonable article. I think it would be better if there were some sub-headings. I would also like to know something about the horse's background, and what he did before starting his famous streak. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 00:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
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Umbrellas
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Hello
Hi - I've arrived at the article for Men Opening Umbrellas, and would welcome your comments at Talk:Men_Opening_Umbrellas_Ahead

Cheers,

Fayedizard (talk) 19:00, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Fort Larned
Hi Stella. I have just done a very basic start class article on Fort Larned (horse). Any improvements would be greatly appreciated. From this side of the Atlantic he just seemed to pop out of nowhere in the Summer of 2012. I am also working on an article on Shanghai Bobby, which will be posted soon.  Tigerboy1966  19:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. There's a lot of horses needing articles, some glaring omissions. I've written scads of them but haven't the time lately, though I do try to keep the race winners up to date. I've also put up a lot of races. Nice to know I am not alone. I work on horses from the past, even the very distant past. So many examples. I also get my knuckles rapped for being too colorful and not wiki dry. Ha. Someone tags them but few ever go in and suck the life out of them. Not too much anyway. Stellabystarlight (talk) 01:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * confession. I am one of those boring, pedantic colour-extractors. However, I never had any doubt that you really know your stuff when it comes to racing, and I do hope that you will continue to contribute to the project. It would be a dull world if we all went about things in the same way.  Tigerboy1966  21:06, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

BLP thoughts
Hi Stellabystarlight (may I call you Stella? Some call me MTBW), I see we've been passing by each other on some jockey articles. I'm noticing some have BLP issues and poor sourcing. (They also are pretty rough in general). Wondered if you'd want to help out with them at all. When I worked on Oxbow (horse), I was surfing some related articles and noticed in particular that the articles on Rosie Napravnik (who I just think is cool) plus all three of the 2013 triple crown race winning jockeys Mike Smith, Gary Stevens, and (particularly) Joel Rosario really need more sourcing to conform to BLP policy. (Rosario is all but a stub, Smith and Stevens look like they haven't had significant text writing for years) I took a quick whack at sourcing the Rosie Napravnik one and did a little cleanup on Stevens, but there's a lot of work to do and if you happen to have sources at your fingertips, we could possibly work together on some of these. (Frankly, the articles on Orb (horse) and Palace Malice also need work, but they aren't BLPs of people, and after doing Oxbow and Paynter (horse) I'm kind of looking to do something different). Interested in tackling any of these? In some other time, I'd probably get a kick out of tuning up the articles on more women jockeys too, but for now, these are the "big names" that probably get a lot of hits and hence need to be in better shape than they are... Montanabw (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Arlington
Thinking that the success of the offspring of Kitten's Joy at Arlington this past weekend may mean someone should expand his article, which is a bit out of date. I'm not going to be the person to do it, but if you're interested, I'd help out some. Montanabw (talk) 00:02, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Traveling right now, but it's true. His article needs a work out. Thank you, Montanabw. Stellabystarlight (talk) 04:39, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

September 2013
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American horses needing articles
Hello again Stella. Once again I must thank you for your prompt updates on North American races. I usually work on the European side but I have contributed a few articles on American horses like Will Take Charge and Princess of Sylmar. There are a few American horses, however, who are just crying out for articles, like Flat Out, Little Mike and Ron the Greek. I know that my "dry as dust" style is rather different from yours, but the project would really value your help. Best wishes.  Tigerboy1966  18:02, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

So glad you added Princess of Sylmar, Tigerboy. Must run over and have a look. And you're right about those left out, but what I write gets so jumped on by "proper" wiki editors who call my stuff "articles" or essays or worse, it's discouraging. I've included at least 150 horses here (some European from long ago) and some get left alone because, I suppose, they're obscure. But others, oh my. I get my botty slapped. So I've stuck to keeping the races as up to date as I can. Also, it's been so long since I've added a new article, they've either changed how to do it, or I've forgotten. Stellabystarlight (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Let me know if I can help, Stella. Seriously.  And hugs about being slapped, and my apologies if I was one of the people who have done so. We need content added, no question there.  I'd say the main thing that's important these days is sourcing, but if you just pop in the raw URLs inside brackets, I've now found a tool that will do an adequate autoformat for us, and wow, it's a godsend -- just ping me and I'll run it.  Mucho Macho Man also is in desperate need of updates and improvement, and there is no article on his trainer, Katherine Ritvo she's redlinked in the article(and with the heart transplant and all, has quite a story).  Someone also deleted the article on Joe Rocco, Jr., plus we need articles on people like Junior Alvarado.  I'm probably one of the "proper" wikipedia editors, but for me it was a "get tough or die" situation with a troll at WikiProject Equine  - I just got too damn stubborn to let 'em run me off!  (snort).  So I can't whip up the bios as fast as you guys, partly because I'm not as up on horse racing as you are, and partly because I AM trapped in the damn "proper editor" land. But feel free to steal any ideas, syntax or whatever editing toys and goodies from my latest, Paynter (horse) or Oxbow (horse).    Montanabw (talk) 01:02, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, and maybe add Indy Point to the list? Not sure if he's yet notable enough, but he just won the John Henry Stakes   Montanabw (talk) 01:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

How delightful and what a change - wiki editors who aren't chastising me. Of course, seeing what's been done to a few of my better articles (only my opinion of course) hurts but over the years I do get what wiki is trying to do. It's not a magazine or a series of essays. It's as factual as possible with as many citations as possible. I'm one of those who wants to see grand horses of the past included, and I've done quite a few of them. But where oh where would I find online material to back up what I know. I have scads of books but you can't link to a book. And some are as old as, um, me. The horses of today come and go. How can one know if any will continue with a notable career? And yet these have an embarrassment of citations. Sigh. This is also true of a number of people I happen to know. Information is posted about them with citations, but the info is wrong. I know this because I was there or they're my friends. Yet it seems if one can find an online citation, the misinformation goes in. You see the problem? Stellabystarlight (talk) 02:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Hugs! Actually, you CAN link to hardcopy books, the main thing is to give the trolls citation info up the wazoo, (Worldcat is good for this) though I've run into trolls who get weird about that.  They're wrong.  I have a bunch of old books that I use on a regular basis in assorted Arabian articles (note William Robinson Brown, for example)  To be honest, the way to deal with that crap is to have a few friends in your corner to slap the trolls around when they attack; I could not survive if it weren't for good people in some of the wikiprojects.   And yeah, I agree about the embarrassment of citations in newer articles; I got Oxbow to FA (why precisely, I don't know, just got on a roll) and he promptly goes lame in his next race (well, shit... should be a good TFA for net years' Preakness, I guess).  As for misinformation in citations, that can be a problem. And, per WP:BLP, it's supposed to be looked at; if you have examples, I'd be willing to see if there is a solution. Sometimes, the uncomfortable truths are out there, other times, (like the it-will-never-die-myth that Al Gore claimed to have invented the internet...) wrong info gets out there and takes on a life of its own.  But at this point, I've done enough of the FA gauntlet that I kind of know how to sniff out the legitimate complaints from the trolling crap.  So seriously, any hand I can give you to help you dive back into the waters of wiki, the project needs you and those like you!    Montanabw (talk) 04:49, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Ancient Title Stakes
Do you think we should move this page to Santa Anita Sprint Championship. It's a question of the best-known name vs the official name. I have made it a redirect at the moment. What do you think?  Tigerboy1966  20:57, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I think you're a generous and polite editor and I thank you for it. I forgot this race had two names (not a good idea but there you go) so I'll move the winning info over. I wish I had the time to add horses as I once did. Truth is, if I did have the time, I'd have to relearn how. Not only that, no doubt it's now tricky as heck. Stellabystarlight (talk) 06:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Not that bad, really. I suck at doing tables and infoboxes, but to just add names is still pretty easy.  I share your frustration at all the races that get renamed to the newest "flavor of the month" horse.  Boy, there are a ton of them!  Yikes!   Montanabw (talk) 00:09, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

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Chrome
Nominated Chrome for FAC today, FYI: Featured article candidates/California Chrome/archive1. Grab your popcorn and watch the show. Montanabw (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Hollywood park races
Hi Stellabystarlight, I don't know if you hang out at WikiProject Horse racing much, but there is a conversation there about checking to see what races from Hollywood park that have articles on wikipedia have nowmoved elsewhere (Del Mar, Santa Anita or Los Alamitos) since the track closed this time last year, and which ones are defunct. It occurred to me that this is right up your Wikignoming alley. We've caught several of them but may have missed a bunch. 06:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Whenever I run across one, I do my best to update it, to state that "now Hollywood Park has closed" this race is run at... which includes changing the info box and the category. But I only get it done when the race has just been run and I'm filling in the winner's info. As I've said elsewhere, I no longer know the ins and out of wiki and cannot put up new articles on deserving horses or races (many of said horses are not here when there are articles on horses showing promise at two and then have faded away for one reason or another). I wish I could. But heigh ho. I shall check out WikiProject Horse racing. Sounds interesting.Stellabystarlight (talk) 15:23, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Oho. I have just noticed I am considered a WikiGnome. Where once I instigated and wrote whole articles, now I am a modest little mushroom dweller. Suits me. Stellabystarlight (talk) 15:28, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * If you think a particular horse needs an article and doesn't have one, ping me, I'd be glad to quietly sandbox something in my userspace and work with you until we have something that will escape the trolls. As for wikignomes, I suppose that is a reasonable response when you have tired of all the bullshit...after all, it's what makes the mushrooms grow so well... Hugs to you! :P   Montanabw (talk)  19:56, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

This is a fine offer, User:Montanabw, one I shall take you up on. There are so many neglected champions of one sort or another. I shall spend a wee while pondering the one I believe needs an article most and back I come. And yes, I long ago grew tired of complaints, the tagging, the nitpicking, but most of the sneering tone many use here in the place of rational scholarship. A huge hug back. I shall return with a name. PS. How does one ping? Stellabystarlight (talk) 21:20, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


 * You will no doubt be able to relate to these issues: and .  I have your talk page watchlisted, so when I am editing in general, I will notice if you post here.  If you want to get me sooner, just leave any kind of message on my talk page (a talkback template or even just a "hey you!" message) and I will get an email that I have messages. I can click a link from the email and go straight to my talk page.  Montanabw (talk)  23:11, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I've been poking about wiki and discovered that some of the horses, neglected back when, now have articles. There are still a great many missing. But Lecomte, son of the amazing Boston and brother to the also amazing Lexington, is still not here. So I think I'd like to begin with him. OK? Stellabystarlight (talk) 18:24, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, and "ping" as I use it is just a geek colloquiaism for "let me know."  Leave a meessage on my talk page, or something. Or you can do the  or  thing on any other page (renders as  or  and that user will get a little notification that their name has been mentioned.    Montanabw (talk)  19:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Beholder!
Saw your edit, and the quote. Had a snarky thought: We could create a list of "Horses Gary Stevens claims are the best he has ever ridden." Let's see, in addition to Beholder, right off the bat, I bet we'd have Silver Charm, Point Given, Rock Hard Ten, Oxbow .... (LOL!)  Montanabw (talk)  04:56, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Rats. Didn't know Stevens made a habit of that. And to think I was impressed. Poo. Stellabystarlight (talk) 14:08, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * To be fair, I think he only names one horse at at time... and actually, I think he called Oxbow the most "Intelligent" horse... and maybe it was Baffert who said Silver Charm was his best ever. So maybe it's just Point Given, Rock Hard Ten and Beholder.  One per decade not too bad! LOL!  Montanabw (talk)  22:45, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Kentucky Oaks
I hope you will be doing the updates for this race. I have a sort of "skeleton" article ready to post for the winner, but the race is a bit late in the evening for me in England so I may give up and go to bed before the result comes through. I'll be rooting for Condo Commando purely on the grounds that I like her pedigree.  Tigerboy1966  19:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll try. It's me for the races! Don't own a TV so I'm off to a seaside inn to watch The Kentucky Derby early this evening. But I'll find a way before you wake up. Though I've noticed for the BIG races someone gets in there fast. That leaves me with all the small wonderful races I can handle.Stellabystarlight (talk) 20:16, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Only 13 minutes to post and I'm still awake so I think I'll make it. I do own a telly but I'm not sure why as I only use it to listen to Radio 4 and watch Channel 4 Racing on Saturdays.  Tigerboy1966  21:37, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Impossible to get a live broadcast of the Oaks in the US unless you join a paid site or pay extra for the exotic cable or dish TV options where I live. Dumb.  Montanabw (talk)  23:30, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, of course that makes sense. Only female horses after all. But today is the Derby. In my inn, getting ready to watch telly all day. Very rare.Stellabystarlight (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Without wishing to advertise I listen to the big US races on Horse Racing Radio Network.  Tigerboy1966  14:00, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * true, good to catch a free live feed. Feels like 1940... radio!  But better than nothing at all!  Montanabw (talk)  02:31, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Two things. No radio, either. And! I called the first four in order in the Kentucky Derby. A superfecta and no way to bet. In a seaside inn watching far from home.Stellabystarlight (talk) 13:49, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Can you help?
See message at my talkpage, User_talk:Montanabw. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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Know anything about STBs?
I don't know if you know anything about Standardbred racing, but a new editor created JK Shesalady, about a pacer mare. I cribbed some more content off their only source, but I'm wondering if you know of any more good sources. I can't find anything except betting sites (Google undoubtedly knows I live in a state where horse racing ain't). Thanks and happy new year. White Arabian Filly ( Neigh ) 00:21, 30 December 2015 (UTC)