User talk:StephanNaro

Year in South Africa - navigation template
Hi StephanNaro, I see that you are presently working on the navigation template for the Year in South Africa series of articles (and note that currently the links do not work from one year to the next in the series, which presumably you are working on rectifying). One point I would mention is what appears to be the use throughout the series of the current South African flag. This flag was only adopted in April 1994, for earlier years I believe that the appropriate flag, in particular, as detailed in the article Flag of South Africa, should be used. This may well have been your intention in any case and, if so, I apologies for being presumptive. Well done on all your hard work regarding this series. Davshul (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi there,
 * Thanks for assuming I was fixing that by-product of improvement, it got fixed just before I received your message. :-)
 * Yes, I am very aware of the history of the flag, and also know how to do it, technically that is, but... I suppose I'm feeling a bit "culturally sensitive" or some such thing, at least until I've completed the insertion of the template throughout the series. Also, there remains the problem of what to do before 1910... One option might be to leave the top two flags as they are, and add two historically correct flags below. I don't know yet, and there's still some time 'til I reach the end. Care to add any more thoughts on the subject? I'm grateful for some outside input.
 * Thanks, it is a bit boring, and yet rewarding to actually read the articles as I go through them. --StephanNaro (talk) 17:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, I've reproduced your reply above, rather than carrying on a discussion on two different Talk pages. As soon as I clicked "Save", I noticed that you had fixed the links.
 * I appreciate both the issue of sensitivity as well as problem prior to 1910. As regards the flags, possibly the British Union Flag (or the flags of the four colonies as shown in the template of infobox of Union of South Africa should be used for 1902 to 1910, and prior to then, the relevant Boer republics (some of the flags are really quite attractive!) together with British (or British colony flag). However, until one comes to actually dealing with the issue, I find one rarely knows exactly what will work out best. Davshul (talk) 18:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, ...I hope? Though I like a lot about these talk pages, ie full markup, indentation, sign+date, I'm still unsure about how the actual communication is supposed to work? Am I to expect you to have started watching my page? Or how exactly do you get to see what I'm typing out here?
 * Anyway, if you do see this, I would like to show off my work. The last thing I did to my sub-template, I did actually not expect to work 100%, so I'm a bit suspiscious about the fact that apparently it does, and will possibly wait a bit before implementing it, but in the meantime: Any comments? Suggestions? Complaints?
 * This navbox has been an interesting and (wiki-codingly) educational li'l project. --StephanNaro (talk) 21:35, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi again. I'm not sure how it works with others, but I tend to add the Talk page for another user to my watchlist (i.e. clicking on the star at the top of the page, which then turns blue) once communications are established, although not necessarily indefinitely. Some users specifically state on the Talk page how they prefer to deal with communications with other users.
 * I do not know whether you are aware of the WikiProject South Africa pages - I did not notice your name among the list of participants. This may be helpful in getting feedback on aspects of your project. (I am quite involved in WikiProject Israel.) I also suggest that the Project banner is added to the Discussion page of each of the "Year in South Africa" articles. When I get a chance I'll have a look at the new Template and let you know if I have any comments (although I'm not really as expert). However, I would add that I am mighty impressed by you work so far. Cheers Davshul (talk) 12:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Suggestions re navigation template

 * StephanNaro, I have had a brief look at the changes to the Template, and have some initial comments/suggestions.
 * (1) When displaying flags in templates of this nature, the flag to the right in the template box, generally indicates the flag following (or at the end of) the period covered by the article, and that to the left, the flag for the period preceding (or at the beginning of) the period covered by the article. Accordingly, the flags to the left of the box in the template box for the years 1912, 1928 and 1994 should be the flag that was in use at the beginning of the years in question. (Thats's the easy bit!)
 * (2) As indicated by you earlier, dealing with the flags for the years up to 1910 is not so simple, and there clearly is not an ideal way to deal with it. I note that in a number of instances, you have displayed four flags (the four South African colonies or the two Boer republics and two colonies), two on the left of template box and two on the right. Whilst aestheticaly pleasing, one might be mistaken in assumaing that the two on the left were for the earlier period and these on the right for the later period. May I suggest that, where the was no change in flags for the period covered by the article and there were three or more flags that relate to such period, the flags in question appear along the top of the template box, above any text. (It believe that this is preferable to the "over-kill" of showing, say, the same four flags on both the left and the right side of the template box.
 * What are your views on the above? Davshul (talk) 12:31, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

One more template comment
In Template:Year in South Africa, where the parameter is "1600s" or "1700s" or the like, the title line of the box should link to 1600–1609 (or whatever) in South Africa, not to "1600s", which is a disambiguation page. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:18, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

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