User talk:StephanWieck

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 * Gizmodo is the source on Roll20/OneBookShelf becoming Wolves of Freeport. If this is incorrect or was just a temporary holding name during the merger, please provide a source. This could be a primary source such as an official press release or an update on the official website announcing the company's name change. Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The Gizmodo article is incorrect about the legal name of the combined Roll20 company. Within the Gizmodo article, it cites a Reddit thread as its source of information on this:
 * Recently, OneBookShelf and Roll20 merged to form Wolves of Freeport; a cheeky wink to the guild name of the founder’s EverQuest guild.
 * In that reddit thread, I (Stephan Wieck) am answering a user on reddit to say that the OneBookShelf legal entity was renamed Wolves of Freeport. This is NOT the same as the Roll20 legal entity. I even clarify this further down in the same reddit thread:
 * https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/10b6w7y/comment/j4ikhv6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
 * And if Gizmodo's reporters had bothered to read the entire thread they could have seen that.
 * Anyway, the source of the Gizmodo's article is the reddit thread, and the reddit thread clearly says: "The combined company is Roll20, LLC
 * Wolves of Freeport is now an operationally-defunct entity"
 * I get that I am an "interested party" here, but I'm just trying to correct factually inaccurate statements. I'm not providing any subjective spin on anything here. StephanWieck (talk) 18:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additional info! Gizmodo is considered a reliable source, however, sometimes reporters can make mistakes (which they can correct if contacted by an impacted party). While some social media sites provide verification of users, unfortunately, we have no way to verify the reddit thread (since anyone could make an account & say they're Stephan Wieck). While I don't think you need to go to the extent Emily St. John Mandel did to get her article updated, a verifiable primary source on the name change and merger status is needed if Gizmodo (or another secondary source) doesn't issue a correction. Here are some examples of primary sources that have been used before: OneBookShelf's brand page, DriveThruRPG's history page, and Roll20's blog announcing the merger. Sariel Xilo (talk) 19:20, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. To be clear, none of what you are saying is unreasonable, and I respect the diligence being shown here.
 * We have reached out to Gizmodo for a correction to the article in question, and they did not bother to update. We will reach out again.
 * The brand and history pages you cite have fallen out of date. We will look to update them.
 * Roll20's blog announcing the combination never once uses the word "merger" because the combination was not a merger in the legal meaning of that word, thus that correction which I submitted.
 * I will later draft corrections and submit them as drafts, calling out my COI status where possible, and submit the drafts for consideration.
 * Thanks again for helping me learn the process here. StephanWieck (talk) 19:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I know diving into Wikipedia's update process has a bit of a learning curve so thanks for going along with the nitpickyness! You can suggest edits at Talk:Roll20 & Talk:Wolves of Freeport by following the directions at this template. When you go to suggest updates, can you please clarify on merger vs consolidation vs combination (ie. are OneBookShelf/Wolves of Freeport and Orr Group/Roll20 LLC remaining two separate companies? Should Wolves of Freeport be renamed "Roll20, LLC" or restored to "OneBookShelf"? etc)? ComicBook.com in July 2022 stated it "reached out to Roll20 to get clarification as to whether the announced move is a merger, an acquisition, or a joint venture between the two companies" but I didn't find a follow up on that. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 20:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)