User talk:Stephen2nd/Royal Labels

Works in progress
Stephen2nd (talk) 15:25, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * General:

The history, meanings and usage of labels is quite a large subject matter, which deserves its own article. Generally, as it will expand, it will push the charts further down the page. So I’ve created a “Royal Labels” article for this purpose. (Re Referral to: Main article.)


 * This Article: User:Stephen2nd/Royal labels


 * This is the main article of referenced &/or agreed texts about the overall histories, meanings and usages of labels and their charges.


 * Article: User:Stephen2nd/Royal Labels of England


 * This is the origin of labels & charges from the Plantagenet’s. ie Sons & grandsons (+fem?) of each monarch, showing 3 & 5 point labels. (Main: Royal Labels). Although the length of the article has not been envisaged yet, this may need to be split into their relevant houses. If the relevance of any relationship between individuals of two houses is adjudged as ‘notable,’ I may experiment on a colour-code for ease of user referencing.


 * Article: Royal Labels of the United Kingdom‎


 * This is now uploaded, for general opinion and editing by Wikipedians et all. 


 * Definitions needed – Questions and answers welcomed.


 * What is the difference between a Blue and White label?
 * What is the order of origin of each charge, and such relevance between different houses, &/or individuals?
 * A definitive system of seniority, male/female precedence and usage exists. Can this be empirically proven?

policy
The usual practice is to rename the existing page, so that its edit-history and discussion are preserved. —Tamfang (talk) 18:45, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry m8, I was distracted, I've reloaded the original article & talk pages. Please rename and re-edit in the later changes. Stephen2nd (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

origins

 * From their origins in the English royal family, systematic cadency marks were used from the time of Henry III of England, ...

What? Cadency marks originated in the English royal family?!

Or does this mean that the E.r.f. has used cadency marks ever since it began using cadency marks? —Tamfang (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * (NB: The white label was used for the Prince of Wales, -via- reference to the decree of Richard II, that the title: Earl of Chester was the Prince of Wales)

Taken literally (insofar as grammar allows), this makes no sense. Does it mean that a decree of Richard tied those two titles together and set the precedent of a plain white label? —Tamfang (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)