User talk:Stephen Bain/Archive 1

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WikiProject Melbourne
Thanks for joining up - drop by the talk page sometime. You might also be interested in the Australian Wikipedians' noticeboard. T.P.K. 16:37, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Station Pier
I notice you adopted this article on the WPM page. Do you need a photo of it, by any chance? I was down in Port Melbourne the other day and took one of the entry there, with the intent of putting it on here. Ambi 02:22, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * A picture would be great, I've got enough information to make a decent start, but I don't have any pictures yet. --bainer 00:34, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Tasmanian Dams Case
Kudos on this article - we need more like this. Are you a lawyer by any chance? :) Ambi 03:43, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, join the club (well, I'll be a law student in two weeks, anyway)! The thing which I think we need most right now is something like List of United States Supreme Court cases. List of High Court of Australia cases? It'd give myself and a few others something to work from, and to jog some people's memories, now that the really obvious ones (Mabo, Wik, Franklin) are done. Ambi 04:03, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Wonderful - I'll look forward to it! As soon as I get access to the university's resources (I'll be at ANU - where will you be?), I'll try and add some more entries. Ambi 04:30, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

hi, i notice your conversation with ambi. just wondering what yr are you at melb. im doing law there too. i have done articles on some current HC judges, i may be able to help a bit with some cases. so feel free to ask me for imput. Xtra 08:12, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

List of Judges of the High Court of Australia shows who dont have aticles yet. Xtra 10:40, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

can "the cth v tas" be moved to "cth v tas" as is general naming convention? thanx Xtra 02:12, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Citation templates
Please refer to my comments at Template talk:Citation HCA --SilasM 07:25, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

nice effort on the toohey page. Xtra 10:50, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Modern literature

 * Hi there, I was just wondering why you've been creating redirects to a non-existent article (Modern literature). Were you planning to write it? I think WP probably needs one, we have History of modern literature at the moment, which is not of a very good standard. Perhaps you might at least create a stub for modern lit so that there are no redirects to redlinks. --bainer 01:31, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I put it up for Collaboration of the Week and figured that I'd start those redirects so that when the article was made, they'd be working. In retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea.  Hopefully a new article will be up soon though.  --pie4all88 03:30, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Personal Attacks
Personal Attacks are Unnaceptable.WP:No personal attacks --Cool Cat My Talk 11:49, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course, and I am a supporter of WP:NPA. I was just trying to point out that there are two different schools of thought to responding to attacks, namely Remove personal attacks (which advocates removal) and Talk page (which advocates that "as a rule, refrain from editing others' comments without their permission"). Given the sensitivities of the article in question, and given that there is currently a request for arbitration, I merely thought that it might be safer to avoid editing other people's comments, at least in order for ArbCom to get the full picture should they accept the case. --bainer 13:37, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * True. but they need to realise I dont apriciate it. I hope they stop, I dont require their ban or something that drastic. I can deal with them if they talk to me politely. I am not seeking revenge or punishment, just justice. --Cool Cat My Talk 14:03, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bainer, can you please tell me if this statment is personal attack? : "As I see, Coolcat start back again what has been addressed over an over. Coolcat, continue abusing Wikipedia, you have just archived posts made hours before they have been archived, this is a clear abuses of the archiving idea. Archiving is not there to hide posts which you don't like, you can NOT archive posts that were just made hours ago. I will be adding this in the list of evidences against you. The votes are 3-2 right now, and once it is approved, I will be adding the evidences one after the other, I am telling this for you to know. It is kind of humorous that you edit Raffis post, and tell how this section is about the Armenian genocide, but you have no problem above this post to talk about my “fanatic writing.” I told you before, and will tell you again, you are ignored. Fadix 14:25, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)"


 * Coolcat has left of it: "Coolcat, you have just archived posts made hours before they have been archived, this is a clear abuses of the archiving idea. Archiving is not there to hide posts which you don't like, you can NOT archive posts that were just made hours ago. Fadix 14:25, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)" Besides, is it acceptable to archivate posts made few hours ago? Regards. Fadix 01:58, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Fadix, the criticism about archiving recent posts was probably accurate, and I wouldn't consider that part a personal attack. Archiving should indeed only be done on old posts. The rest of your post was probably borderline personal attack - I can understand the frustration, but mentioning the arbitration request and telling him that he is ignored is not helpful and might even seem threatening. Like I said, I understand where you're coming from, but you probably could have stopped after the first part. --bainer 05:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Premiers of NSW
It's McGowen, not McGovern. Adam 15:13, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I must have misread it from the list. It's fixed now. --bainer 00:30, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Victorian premiers
I started out doing the series on Victorian premiers, and now I find you are getting in ahead of me. I can't stop you doing this, but I'd much rather you found something else to do and let me continue what I started. But if you are going to do these articles, could you please not write such egregious nonsense as suggesting that the Victorian cricket team in the 1850s was called the Victorian Bushrangers? Could you please also stop wickifying common nouns, which is ugly, annoying and contrary to policy. I'd rather spend my time writing original articles than rewriting yours, but if you force me to I will. Adam 09:43, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I started working on Victorian Premiers because the list looked rather thin compared with, say, Premier of Western Australia. If you're unhappy with the standard of the articles, I'll go on with rounding out Members of the Australian House of Representatives. As for style matters, I like using headings, I find unbroken text ugly. And I would rather have too many wikilinks than too few. Ultimately I thought it was better to have an article up there than to have nothing at all, or a very small stub . If you don't like them, then change them. I don't claim to be an expert (unlike yourself: your Electoral Archive is excellent). --bainer 10:48, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

"I'll go on with rounding out Members of the Australian House of Representatives." Good plan. I have good references on colonial Victorian politics so if you don't mind I will carry on with this project. Adam 11:47, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

WDSC VfD
Bainer, you wrote:
 * Delete, original research. The pages that are crosslinked to this page are all about other terms invented by Mike Ossipoff. I will change to keep if someone can actually provide a source that uses any of these techniques.

I want to ask you what you would consider an acceptable source here. Finding usage of these terms on the election methods mailing list would be quite easy. I will link to some messages that were not written by Mike Ossipoff, but use the terms SDSC, WDSC, or FBC:           KVenzke 04:38, May 26, 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, perhaps I should have been clearer. What I was looking for were some examples of where this is actually used in practice, or where the theory of it is discussed elsewhere than election-methods.org or the related mailing lists. A quick Google search turns up results mostly from WP, WP mirrors or other wikis. Of course, I'd be happy for you to prove me wrong, but as it stands, this qualifies in my mind as original research. --bainer (talk) 05:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee case opening
Requests for arbitration/Internodeuser has been accepted. Please bring evidence to Requests for arbitration/Internodeuser/Evidence. Thank you. -- sannse (talk) 19:28, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Blackbirding
Hi Bainer, I am new to Wikipedia and don't know the protocols. I think the amount of blackbirding is controversial amongst historians. Windschuttle (the WAP 2004) denies it happened at all. The main referenced claims of blackbirding come from Peter Corris' Passage, Port and Plantation MUP 1973. Historians such as Henry Reynolds (who is usually diametrically opposed to Windschuttle) also tend to believe blackbirding was not common.

I am interested that you were taught that blackbirding was common - who was the lecturer? in any case I think the case for blackbirding is overdone in the WAP article. This article has already resulted in much argy-bargy but I feel it should be changed slightly - how do you do this? porturology@bigpond.com.--Porturology 12:14, 31 May 2005 (UTC)


 * We looked at it in a subject taught by Keir Reeves, Anna Clark (Manning's granddaughter) and Pat Grimshaw at Melbourne Uni. We looked at the Windschuttle/Reynolds business aswell (Anna co-wrote the book on the History Wars). I'd have to dig up the materials to check out figures, but Pat Grimshaw has done a fair bit of work in this area, you might want to check out some of her writings.


 * If you think that something needs changing, then you can go ahead and change it, just click the "edit this page" link at the top of the page. Wikipedia encourages people to be bold. The issue would be that for a controversial topic, it's probably best to discuss any changes you want to make on the talk page first. You've already started doing that anyway, so that's good! I've put the standard welcome message above, you might like to read some of the tutorials and rules, they're quite useful. --bainer (talk) 13:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Votes for deletion/Polydeism
I've cleaned the article up somewhat, and think it should be kept. It was original research (and probable vanity) as written, but I've fixed that, and plan to do more research on the actual use of the term. -- BD2412 talk 13:48, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

Australian Capital Television
Very nice article. However, I could not find the conclusion of the court with regards to the state powers argument. Xtra 06:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I think the majority (Mason, Deane, Toohey & Gaudron) discussed the issue without deciding it, since they overruled the act based on the implied right. Only Brennan & McHugh decided the states' rights thing, since they overruled only those parts of the act that discriminated against the states. --bainer (talk) 08:22, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

stubs
Please use stubs for new articles such as {australia-stub}. --MarSch 1 July 2005 16:36 (UTC)


 * I was wondering which articles you meant, then I noticed you put a on Division of Jagajaga, which was odd since it is not in the United States. I changed it to a  . --bainer (talk) 2 July 2005 13:20 (UTC)

Electoral division lists
While it's nice to see some of these being created, what's with the change of name? Ambi 7 July 2005 06:26 (UTC)


 * (I presume you mean the Victorian provinces) Yes, sorry, I created that in line with the lower house ones without reading the rest of the discussion carefully enough. I'll change it to the simpler form if you like, it's not that important really, especially since the provinces won't be around for much longer. Western Province will need some disambiguation though, any suggestions? --bainer (talk) 7 July 2005 07:28 (UTC)


 * No, I meant moving the pages from, say, Electoral districts of South Australia to South Australian House of Assembly electoral districts - I'm inclined to think the latter is a bit of a mouthful. I'm not quite sure what you meant there, though - simpler form? I guess it might be simplest to just tack (Victoria) onto the end with Western Province; that's what's been done with a couple of the other electorate names that clash (i.e. Ivanhoe). Ambi 7 July 2005 07:39 (UTC)


 * Oh, right. That's also a matter of consistency - for example, Australian House of Representatives electoral Divisions is not at Electoral Divisions of Australia. Not so much of a problem in South Australia, but it would be problematic in Tasmania, for example. --bainer (talk) 7 July 2005 07:46 (UTC)


 * Hrm, true. There could be two sections - one for the Legislative Assembly and one for the Council, but I see your point. Ambi 7 July 2005 08:04 (UTC)

London Bombing
Thanks for having removed the NPOV template --Revas 7 July 2005 23:59 (UTC)

British and Irish current events
I note you voted keep in the above page's VfD, and I was wondering if you'd consider helping to keep it updated. Thanks for your time, Steve block 21:37, July 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I probably won't be able to do much work on that page, since I actually live in Australia and I'm really only familiar with events over there that have an international aspect. Good luck with it though, it looks much better already! --bainer (talk) 22:29, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Nice work on those two legislation articles - they're a really good example for the rest of us to follow. Ambi 13:08, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for your vote of support on my recent RfA. I was quite surprised by the amount of support I received, and wish to extend my thanks to you for taking the time to support my nomination for adminship. -- Longhair | Talk 12:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * ...add Carnegie, Victoria, Collingwood, Victoria and Brunswick, Victoria. I've lived there too, but making mention of Melbourne on a user page is just asking for trouble :) Thanks. -- Longhair | Talk 13:00, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Government Warehouse
You may remember that I attempted to address your concerns about the original contents of Government Warehouse, an echo of Sean Curtin's, with a rewrite. has since restored the original unverifiable contents to the article, and then, when I removed them again, "in order to avoid an edit war" forked List of the Government Warehouse's contents. That latter has since been nominated for deletion, but currently there is just the one keep vote. has stated on Talk:Government Warehouse that if the latter article is deleted, xe intends to re-add the content to Government Warehouse once again. Please contribute to the discussions at Talk:Government Warehouse and Votes for deletion/List of the Government Warehouse's contents. Uncle G 13:20:33, 2005-08-10 (UTC)

My RfA
Just a quick note to say thanks for the support on my RfA, it's nice to be among good company with high-quality Australian editors. Excellent work on Australian law topics - almost makes me wish I'd stuck with Constitutional Law. . . almost. . . See you round, Slac speak up!  21:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board
Hi, Thebainer! Thanks for correcting my entry at the Australian Wikipedians' notice board. Don't know how it happened, must be the slow connection. --Ben T/C 12:06, August 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Sometimes when you get a page that says the server can't respond to your request, it actually has, and has already made the change, so refreshing makes the change multiple times. It's a bit of an odd behaviour. I usually just open a new copy of the article to see if it's changed, and it usually has. --bainer (talk) 13:16, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tip. I'll try that next time. --Ben T/C 13:34, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh... and I saw the wikilove pic on your talk page and put it on my talk page also, so thanks for that, too. --Ben T/C 13:36, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Accidental double rv on Isaac Isaacs
On 1-Aug-2005, within a few seconds of each other, we both reverted a sequence of vandalistic edits to Isaac Isaacs. Since my edit followed yours, I accidentally overwrote a couple of fixes you introduced to that article. I have just noticed it and re-inserted your edits. Sorry about the confusion! Owen&times; &#9742;  19:19, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Liberal
I notcied you put a cleanup tag on Liberal. If you find another disabmiguation page that desperately needs a clean up like Liberal did, please drop a note on my talk page. Cheers, --Commander Keane 07:02, August 27, 2005 (UTC)