User talk:Stepho-wrs/Archive/2008

talk from Ryou-kun16
Don't forget to look at the headline. Ryou-kun16 (talk) 20:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Use of fact tag
I have repaired you edit to Hino Motors adding the correct syntax is. Just thought you might like to know how to do it correctly. Thanks for your participation in Wikipedia. Dbiel (Talk) 20:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. Stepho-wrs (talk) 22:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You are very welcome Dbiel (Talk) 23:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Toyota HZ
Please be aware that Toyota have an engine called the 1HZ (and others called the 2HZ, 3HZ, etc). Converting it to 1 Hz is wrong. Cheers. Stepho-wrs (talk) 23:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Steve. Thanks for that. I've noticed several Toyota HZs that I left alone and added to my bot's exception list. Could you point me at the article with the one I missed so I can put it on the exception list. Cheers, CmdrObot (talk) 23:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The article in question was Toyota Land Cruiser. This could potentially affect any Toyota vehicle with a diesel engine. Perhaps you could use a filter that excludes anything with 'Toyota' in the title. Cheers. Stepho-wrs (talk) 01:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Steve. I've updated the exception list. Your idea of watching for Toyota is a good one, unfortunately my bot doesn't have the necessary machinery for handling something like that at the moment. I'll have a look and see what I can do though. Cheers, CmdrObot (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

deletion
sorry, I think the redirect took me to the correct template, and I actually deleted that first by mistake, now restored jimfbleak (talk) 09:51, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for restoring my template. Much appreciated. Stepho-wrs (talk) 11:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Toyota Categories
I see you have removed the categories from Toyota T2xx, Toyota 7M-GE and Toyota 3S-GE engine. These are now tagged as uncategorised. I think they were previously in the correct categories and line up with the way categories are allocated to all other car makers.

Can you suggest which categories they should go in please. Malcolma (talk) 08:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Malcolm. I removed those categories a couple of weeks ago(and again today) because they didn't fit the same pattern as the rest of the category. This is mostly because the articles are specific to a single variation of an engine (eg 7M-GE) while the rest of the Toyota Engine category covers entire families (eg M series).  I'd like to put articles like 7M-GE into some category but I can't think of any that apply. As for the T2xx article, I'd like to delete that altogether but only after the info has been shifted to the correct Corona/Celica/Carina articles. It's incomplete anyway since it should also cover T15x-T190x. Stepho-wrs (talk) 09:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * In that case should the 7m-GE and 3S-GE articles be merged into their parent articles and the originals made redirects? It seems to me that a lot of the material is already there. I'm not so sure about merging the T2xx article as it seems to cover quite a few cars but my knowledge of Toyota models is, to say the least, limited.Malcolma (talk) 10:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed, I also feel the 7M-GE and 3S-GE would be better off merged back into the parent articles. I will propose for this to happen. Stepho-wrs (talk) 13:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have added the merge tags. Even though you have commented about keeping the 3S-GE separate I have added them to those two as well in the hope that it might encourage other comments. That still leaves what to do with T2xx which is still flagged as uncat and needs to go somewhere. I realise that you do not like it going into Toyota platforms but there really is nowhere else. The Toyota platform category entry is also a total mess as it contains a large amount of text that should really be taken out and made into an article as List of Toyota platforms. Malcolma (talk) 08:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Good work
Thanks for assisting with the POV editor trying to insert his hatchet job into the Toyota article. I finally gave up on trying to reason with him and reported him to ANI. He was blocked and this message left on his talk page. Also, the blocking admin left this message at ANI.

I noted your message to him on his talk page in which you divulged your POV. That was certainly very up-front. However, I don't think he understands much about WP:NPOV. We all have POVs. The important thing (as I know you know) is to go with the facts, supported by good sources. The blocking admin has given some good advice: "try and discuss the appropriate way of including (some of) the content they wish to bring to the article(s)." Then, if he continues: revert/final warning/report to AIV. Sunray (talk) 18:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you think of taking a look at his material and seeing how we might fix it? I don't have much time during the 31 hours, but I do think it is important to follow the advice of the blocking admin. I will try to get to it. Do you have any time to put towards it? Sunray (talk) 20:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sunray, I will go through his references and see what is useful. I'm sure every major manufacturer has something bad to report. My main concern is to leave balanced view rather than half the article. Will probably take more than 31 hours but I will try to put in a couple paragraphs listed as allegations to help pacify things. Stepho-wrs (talk) 21:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I don't think we have to bust a gut on it or anything if we show that we are working on it. Agreed about bad reports on all auto makers. We might look to see if one of them is a Featured Article and use that as a guide. Sunray (talk) 23:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts on using Kanji in English articles

 * When you state "Japanese names" do you mean to say the vehicles name written in Japanese writing (Kanji)? It would be a nice idea for those who are receptive to seeing the name written in Japanese. However, I can see some resistance from "western-centric" editors who are only interested in the world as it pertains to those who speak and write English. It also sets a predecent for other written languages, such as Korean Hangul (for automakers Hyundai, Kia, Ssangyong, and Daewoo,) or the Slavic languages, with the name of a Ford that is also sold in Russia, written in Cyrillic (Russian writing). I think what should be focused on is making sure that the article written in English has an accurate link to Japanese Wikipedia, where if the reader wants to see the name and other information written in Kanji can do so. There is an instance of Kanji being used in an English article, for the Toyota Camry, which describes where the name "Camry" came from. But listing the Kanji for the Mitsubishi Eclipse, for example, would probably be less accepted. Kanji listed for vehicles in the Toyota template should remain only until the article has been written in English, then linked to the Japanese article, with the Kanji replaced by English.(Regushee (talk) 16:32, 16 December 2008 (UTC))