User talk:Sterry2607/ArchiveAugust07

Canberrans?
Sterry2607 - I missed your message about setting up a Canberra meeting. It seems a good idea and I would like to come and talk occasionally. Wikipedia is a quite absorbing interest and talking to others with the same hobbie would be very nice. If you set up a time, and the Bookplate is a great place to meet. Stellar 05:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Bookplate meeting - I think the best way would be to decide a day and have people work around that. If we do agree to meet reguarly, that would be easier to plan around.  For me next Saturday would be fine, but the couple after than I think there are plans.  Stellar 10:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like to meet this Saturday at 2:30pm and go to the Bookplate and drink coffee and talk about wikipedia, if you are still interested. If it is sunny and warm(Canberra in winter?) I will be sitting outside.  If it is cold then inside. Most probably I will be reading or writing. Stellar 12:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sterry2607 - I am also usually punctual and will be waiting on the seats in the foyer. I am also 50+, brown hair, glasses, average.  I am sure we will recognise each other.  Stellar 13:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Oz Literature
Hi Sterry2607 ! I was having a break when you joined up on Oz Lit, so am just sending you a belated warm welcome. Its great to see more members joining. Boylo 09:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not much more experienced than yourself. I only joined Wikipedia a few weeks before you and have slowly been learning the ropes. From looking at the articles you have done, your doing really well, as they have good layout. Its takes ages to do articles like that, so i can see your commitment. Not sure if you seen this article but it maybe useful for you: Cinema of Australia. It also has some useful Category listings at the bottom for Cinema of Australia. Maybe in the future, when your more experienced, you could start a Cinema Project for Australia, as there is only one for Television at the moment. Boylo 11:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes i know what you mean. I was asked if i could start a Project and didnt feel experienced enough and wondered at how much involvement time wise would be needed. So just enjoy your work here and dont let yourself get burnt out. ;-) Boylo 11:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If either of you ever want a lengthy off wiki explanation about projects and an opinion of a starter and harrangure for about three around the place you are most welcome to email me about it. Some comments I might feel a need to make would definitely have to be off wiki. SatuSuro 13:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Olga Masters
Sterry2607 - the article is very nicely balanced. I like the quotes you included - from Olga Masters and from people others. I really liked the sense of time and place that Olga Masters created in her stories. They were not grand monumental stories and were about everyday people you would like to meet, but she made them alive and gave the characters a sense of dignity. PS - I think Tel½ra has finally sorted out my internet connection and granted me access again. I will find something to practice on tonight and see what happens. Stellar 10:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sterry2607 - I will spend all my time reading your articles at this rate! It is about time I worked on my own to show you. Stellar 11:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

info boxes
Sterry2607 - I have cut and pasted your Olga Masters info box into two pages I have been pottering with. They are the father (Sam Watson) and the son (Samuel Wagan Watson) there are so many Watsons around there is even a list of them by family name. It was easier and really useful to have the link father<->Son in the info box. I like the little Aust flag icon also. Stellar 12:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

re: TDK Australian Audio Book Awards
No problems. I sometimes use audio books as I am blind and apart from braille and e-books, I can't access any print meterial at all. I didn't know about these awards until stumbling upon them while fixing links to John Marsden - I might check out some of the winning entries. Graham 87 12:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I used to read John Marsden's books when I was younger - Fire Dancer, The Journey and So Much to Tell You were my favourites. Is your mother-in-law a member of the National Information Library Service? Any legally blind Australian can join and they offer thousands of audio books. I can only get the braille books in Western Australia due to policy issues (though I can get audio via library interloan). The catalogue is freely available at [visway.org.au. [[User:Graham87|Graham]] 87 12:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Green, Dorothy nee Auchterlonie
Sterry2607 - it is really confusing. Her husband was noted as H M Green, and if you have every tried searching for Green in Wikipedia you would realise how cluttered the search is! He has a very distinguished list of ancestors. I used the Info box to link the various names at this stage, but it is not perfect. I will be doing more research on Dorothy. There are lists of people who write about her poetry and I think that needs to be investigated. There is an existing Dorothy Green - definitely someone else. When you find a solution to the pointing to feature, I look forward to using it! Started looking at Gail Jones. Have you read her work? Stellar 13:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation references.
Sterry2607 - I came across this code in the Film, Last of the Mohicans. There are 4 films and they all direct to another place where the four are listed.

The page it points to is a disambiguation page with the name The Last of the Mohicans (disambiguation). I think I will set one up for Dorothy Green. Stellar 14:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Literary awards
STerry2607 - the awards are all over the place. I like using categories because they self populate. I think the list you added to is the best collection. There is another list - List of literary awards - which refrences the list you updated. It seems inefficient to have it is two places, but then they are linked. Joined the NLA today - finally and spent a nice afternoon just picking things up and reading. A great time. Stellar 11:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Short Stories are my secret love and I am looking forward to your awards page. Have been distracted just now by a WA Library site -  - they list short stories and extracts.  It is facinating.  There is a story by Gail Jones that is really worth reading.  TAG Hungerford is there too - he is a great writer.  I would like to write, until I read something by real writers and then I feel humbled.    There are a couple of other red bracketted items on the list.  I might try and find info on one of these.  Stellar 12:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The Age award page looks great. You have done heaps of work.  I updated Thea Astley from your list. Stellar 12:54, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think of my contibution as housekeeping. In the Age page there are some unlinked authors. Can I go in and put in the links?  We seem to be reading the same things.  Eleanor Dark came to my mind recently also.  This exercise is making me realise I need to read more. Stellar 13:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2000 Age Book of the Year. In Amy Witting page it says that she won the award.  That may help to track it down.  Stellar 17:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Joint winners of awards formatting in the Miles Franklin Awards page
Sterry2607 - it is clear although "dotty". I thought of that but didn't like the extra line. I know I have seen somewhere where it has been done well, but can't remember where - will keep looking - and will tell you when I find it. In The Age Book of the Year Fiction awards list, every writer has a page created. I think of all the lists of awards this is the first time I have seen that! It is a great list and the awards must be going to popular writers. Stellar 04:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sterry2607 - I didn't mean to sound dismissive. Your change is definitely better, and I agree that lined up columns are necessary.  Perhaps if there are regularly joint winners the way to go is a table.  Tables give it a structured and slightly industrial look, but do keep everything lined up.  If there was an options to have a table but hide the table structure it would look good?  Stellar 04:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Women writers is a star list
Thank you very much for the star, but it was very much a combined effort. I was looking through the collected list and there are a lot of the records there will very little or no information. The list does look substantive, doesn't it? Stellar 08:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sterry2607 - I am forming a plan of sorts, more like a path through the chaos. There are several strategies:  1.  I will still keep checking lists of writers to make sure that where there is a page for an Australian writer it is linked to this category, and 2. I will identify pages that have lots of wiki references but where the text needs to be expanded or fixed.  3.  Select specific authors and do more in-depth research on the text to make it comprehensive/representative. Stellar 08:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The documentaries sound interesting. I have come across some references to film and doucmentaries but don't know how to reference these.  I look forward to reading your entries. Stellar 09:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Glenda Adams
yes, the page was terrible. I couldn't go past it. The AusLit reference did put in her the date of her death, but I couldn't find any obituary, and I have looked. The delay may be because it missed the weekend newspapers? Stellar 12:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I started working on Glenda Adams because of the is list - List of writers in Who's Who in Contemporary Women's Writing. Adams was the first Australian writer on the list.  The next Australian is Jean Bedford, whom I have not heard of.  Is this a writer you know? I am off until tomorrow. Regards Stellar 12:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Cripes I could spend whole afternoons on both of your talk pages. Down! No! (Dr Strangelove Kubrick movie and Peter Sellers arm...) Glenda Adams once wrote a very stirring essay about living in Yogya in difficult times (which I have done with wife and three small children) - may she rest in peace.


 * Jean Bedford check NLA online catalogue - good stuff hadnt realised she is only 5 years older than self

re infoboxes: -
 * One unhelpful view into the bowels of wiki dross http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28writing_about_fiction%29#Infoboxes
 * another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28infoboxes%29 SatuSuro 07:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Very important - if you see something on another users page or user talk page of use to your purposes - copy and paste into your appropriate place. Use - its there to do that SatuSuro 07:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Jean Bedford
Sterry2607 - I won't start up a page for Jean Bedford, it just seems strange that she is made it to the Who's Who of Contemporary Women's Writing and there was not a page for her. One thing wikipedia constantly reminds me, is that I have very limited experience of Aust Lit.

Please feel free to add to any pages I am working on. All I am doing is filling in the blanks with easily found information. There are some pages that have such limited information on them that with minimal research the details can be expanded. Why do people put up these pages in the first place if they aren't going to write them up properly? Stellar 10:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (1) Some stubs are started to eliminate red links in lists elsewhere - (2) some editors have nowhere near the time to adequately develop articles (3) some editors get bored by adding extra info or actually finding refs or cites  (4) some editors have low level attention spans and low level literacy - a name from a list is far as they go  (5) putting quality in to some articles and subjects is hard work - for some (6) some articles get orphan tags - as they do not link with anything else - and so ancillary articles are created to link back to the orphan to save it from deletion, or further tags  (7) there are always other things too  SatuSuro 11:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)  It is indeed a very interesting mystery story as to why some stubs exist - but thats a very very long story and not now - we do what we can :(  SatuSuro 11:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This age thing begs the question what the hell are we doing on a predominately young persons techno thingo...(correcting their total lack of historical context i hope) :( SatuSuro 02:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

History Awards
Sterry2607 - glad you have adopted one of the names. I decided that I would get the History awards out of the way as there are only a few of them, but then more and more came out. Nadia Wheatley's page looks great - she has a great body of work behind her. I know what you mean about finding evidence in multiple places and all copied and all wrong in parts. Hope your cold is better. Patcheworking is good for the soul. Stellar 11:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Google
Thats fame for you - and reminder that we are in a goldfishbowl. I used to keep reminding the more uncouth (use of swear words etc) that it would show up - and it is never erased either - unless there is a good reason. Anything further from me on this subject and it would have to be off-wiki - just a salient reminder of its all here to see! :) SatuSuro 07:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC) Most forget - the issue re where the wikipedia page is in the first page for any google search is intriguing. I strongly recommend the use of clusty and more peripheral search engines that do not have bundled ads. It doesnt stop me using gmail - but for a long time I have been a skeptic - and go into verbose paroxysms of vitriol, vile venting of voluminous veracious invective and accompanying diatribe when radio announcers and shop assistants refer to it as 'my friend' - or words similar... however due to the nature of here - I keep it at that. SatuSuro 08:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The Age Short Story Award
A template has been added to the article The Age Short Story Award, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with db-author. Ayleuss 10:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If it is notable, I have no problem. Anyways, if you are leaving temporarily in the middle of editing, please consider using the in use or under construction templates. --Ayleuss 11:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Please put that information in the article, attirbuted to reliable sources and it will be fine. :) --Ayleuss 11:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Louisa Atkinson
Hi Sterry2607. I was adding categories for botanical illustrators, when I noticed this article. A nice improvement from you. Regards, Fred ☻  00:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 *  'some twitterings in the ranks of the colonial Mrs Grundy' ... Priceless.  I added a fact and put a possibly redundant ref from Elizabeth Lawson. There a bio by Patricia Clarke, Pioneer Writer: The Life of....  Cheers,  Fred ☻  12:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Literary Collaboration
I removed them because, as I said on the talk page, they are not collaborations (although collaborative names like Philip Lawson or Ellery Queen probably do belond on the page. A Collaboration is a work.  the people who do it are collaborators, which is where the names you initially put in the category rightfully belong. Shsilver 04:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've created the Literary collaborators category and populated it. I think I got most of the authors you initially included in the collaborations category.Shsilver 13:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Children's awards
Yes, a big group, but there is lots of good information that is easily accessible. I was looking through the help section can came across subpages so started out that way. I then went and re-read the section and in one of the later sections it said they were not to be used for main pages. Still, a learning experience in many ways. I learned how to request deletion of pages also. Motherhood is only ever a temporary situation. Thankfully children grow up then just when they are intelligent enough to talk to they leave home. Stellar 09:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Rabbits
Thanks. cheers &mdash;Moondyne 06:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC) gmail. cheers SatuSuro 06:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

move-delete?
I will talk to you on Satdy about this. What I did was remove the content, create new pages with new names and then requested the original pages to be deleted. The result is the information is in the pages with appropriate names. Stellar 09:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Frank Dalby Davison, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template   to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Marwood 12:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

There wasn't anything there -- this was the entire content of the article as posted:

Frank Dalby Davison

==Notes==

welcome back
Did you have a good holiday? Stellar 13:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw that - trust you are both well - guerilla snooper from the worst/oops west of oz SatuSuro 13:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah some people have allergies to grevillea - at least one brother in law has it - oh well - enjoy the weird and wonderful -wikipedia that is :) SatuSuro 00:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want a good example - see what I was trying to ask the recent editor on the Nation Review article - and all i get is silent reversion! oh well - cheers SatuSuro 00:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Links and disambig
Sterry - I understand the issue of links. Someone went through one of my articles and removed links that they said were unnecessary, but I think there is room for different opinions. As for Victoria - my focus was just identifying which Victoria, and with your example it just seemed to me to make a tidier solution. Most town names I have come across have the [town, state] grouped in the brackets. And that logically seems the most long term solution. These working groups are very interesting: I have worked on two now, the disambiguation and the red-link one. Stellar 09:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC) 09:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)