User talk:Sterry2607/ArchiveMay-June07

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Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place  before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! SatuSuro 13:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
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Apologies
I did not use the Australian project welcome - it has a useful lead into the project- and Australian Literature project is just under construction! Good idea to read through all the welcome info carefully - because you are a new user - other editors are meant to be forgiving and helpful - if they arent just make sure they realise you are a new user.

I used to know Elizabeths husband - a delightful librarian of the old sort - and some of the more notorious west australian writing scene people - thankfully I have lost contact with most.

Hope you enjoy the wikipedia experience- please dont hesitate to ask anything. SatuSuro 13:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

There are more welcomes than there are editors i think - the added over-done one might have a few extra bits - you dont have to keep them at the top of the page you can archive or delete when you have had enough of them SatuSuro 13:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Confusing
Yes Wikipedia - and wiki style usage can be very confusing - it takes time - I used to work at Fisher very long time ago (USyd)at about the time they had the lack of oxygen issue with the a/c (early 1970's) - but only as a gla - moved on from there - was in NLA using it in 97 for very short time - I just think the petherick room and the things I had to access there - wow If I won lotto I would book a desk for 3 months a year i think - I know 2 very heavy users there. SatuSuro 13:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * One year of library studies at WAIT (where we had Elizabeths husband was lecturer in Lib Studs for a while) was enough to get me into Harrison Bryans era at Fisher (Neil Radford was there but the understudy at that stage) - the whole world of the academic libraries needs a tom sharpe novel - or something similar - for the relatively short time at Fisher - I seemed to observe or see that there were so many things that could have been elements of a comic narrative about life, institutions and accidentally about libraries as well SatuSuro 08:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
I'll just my welcome as well, if you need any help dont hesitate to ask. Gnangarra 13:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hes an admin - very important to know a few of them - they can be half your age, even more than that - but they have access to tools/mechanisms that keep life on keel when odd things happen SatuSuro 13:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * StauSuro I thought you were closer to 40 than 80. we also have a very thick skin, a warped sense of humour, leap tall buildings in a single bound with a big ladder and carry a mop with bucket to clean the mess up afterwards. Gnangarra 14:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This page explains how your watchlist works Help:Watching pages. a general overview is that across the top your page are some menus, the first link is your user page, the next is your talk page, then preferences, then watchlist, contributions and logout. By selecting watchlist you can follow whats been happening on pages that interest you.
 * Personally I prefer the disjointed discussions on user talk pages as it has benefits that when you ask say SatuSuro or me a question other editors who are online may answer your question, because they also have our pages on their watchlist. Additionally we get the little orangey box appear when someone wants our attention, and I also find it good manners in that if you take the time to talk directly to me I should answer you directly.
 * Articles also have talk pages these are for discussing that specific article and its best to keep the whole discussion in one place. Gnangarra 00:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah thats what i mean, I have only 3000 items on my watch and its not difficult as they all dont get edited at the same time. I know SatuSuro has over 6,000 items while he often comments on how many he has, I dont recall him complaining about it being an issue. Anyow if you need any help just ask. Gnangarra 03:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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List on Oz lit project page
I think there is something wrong with the page - please try - but there seems to be a problem with editing the to do page. SatuSuro 11:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The admins who code things - Longhair and CJ - I am trying to get them to help and fix the problem - if I try dabbling, I have this sense of the whole project dissapearing under some weird error message 'come back tommorow' or something similar. SatuSuro 12:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed! corrections can now be made SatuSuro 12:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

sorry
here there and everywhere (my brain has been resurrecting beatle music recently, possibly early onset something or other) - and just went and archived, will try and answer your question soon SatuSuro 14:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * disambigs - anyone can do - have just done - but once the article is started - then its a move issue - on the top of the page - and a good reason is good enough usually SatuSuro 14:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Have a nice day. Hesperian 11:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

btw
Youll always find that kind of edit as happened at eliz jolley - you just have to get used to it - and not worry about it - there is on the part of some editors an abhorence of anything that smells of anything but the facts - annotation and useful information can be included - but theres an art in not getting it cleaned out SatuSuro 12:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * heheh I think you'll last... I thought it was yours. Most items are never worth going to the barricades on - unless there is clear idiocy of process (there is a newbie having problems at ti-tree for instance) SatuSuro 13:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

slips
Cripes if you read gnangarras talk page you must wonder about me? The average australian wikipedia editor never refers to or uses state references library catalogues (the wa one being - at the search page is called henrietta and quite rightly too a good target for inunendo and risque jokes on wikipedia talk pages that no one understands) - by some bizarre and I am sure not AACR2 determined policy - LISWA/Henrietta has heaps of annotation at the catalogue level - making some articles saveable from Afd (or destruction due to lack of independent third party sources in the notablity department) because the most unlikely subjects are somehow mentioned in catalogue entires.

Re your question to gnangarra - the whole assessment thing is best looked at the WikiProject Australia/Assessment - that is the best place to look. Cheers SatuSuro 13:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sats, I was going to give you the same link.
 * Quality is the more important rating - FA and GA are assessed by editors who haven't edited the articles and have set criteria WP:WIAFA and WP:WIAGA, to get these assessments the article needs to go through a nomination/review process. the other levels are generally set by the editors of the article. Stub is just a few words maybe a para or two generally created to blue red links. Start class normally has established notability and context of the article. B class has basic structures sorted, some detail covering the subject normally theres only single reference, lack of citations. A class is where the editors have covered the subject completely and are doing the final touches to get it ready for an FA review.
 * Importance is highly subjective with differing way to assess, one is how the subject offers value to a project, the other is how it would be as an entering topic for readers(non editors) take Ansett as an example would the airline or would a person be the topic most likely to be an entry point for a reader. If you think its the airline then that would be Top and Reg(founder) would be High with his son equal in rating. To me I would think that Bob Ansett, would rate higher now than his father Reg, with the airline equal to Reg but diminishing in importance over time as less people will know of its existance/demise. If the Project scope was Australian Airlines then Ansett Airlines would be Top, Reg would also be Top as a pioneer of the industry, but Bob would be low in that he's associated with both but only limited value to the project.
 * Hopefully I havent confuse you too much importance can have so many variations that providing its realistic no one will argue the point, to be unrealistic a high school in Perth wouldnt ever be considered rated as Top importance to WP Australia, even to WP Perth it would have to be exceptional circumstance to warrant high, where as a University like University of Western Australia you would expect to be around high for Aust, top for Perth. If the article says only "Its the oldest University in Western Australia and located on the shores of the Swan River in the Perth suburb of Nedlands" then its quality rating would be a stub in every project. 14:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To keep track of things - either on your user page or a sub page - to put all the links/things you want to /need to go back to - have a look at a few user pages - and they make notes there as to places to go back to. Also - you can peruse your own contribs (now where was I?)- is that a start? SatuSuro 00:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh and him - he was up late fighting a battle of principle.SatuSuro 00:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I use this to keep track of links I need from time to time, its sitting on my user page User:Gnangarra/Navaids as a template. Best way is to create a user subpage with specific links to articles you use, just like another sandbox but with more perminant information. The trick is when you talk to different user have a look at what they do then just copy/paste and modify to suit your own requirements. Gnangarra 05:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Every time - reverse engineer others pages - there is no problem about almost everything on every other users pages (or sub pages) - if there is it shouldnt be on wikipedia in the first place. SatuSuro 07:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Marjorie Barnard
I had to read an MBE book at uni many years ago and write an essay on it, and I thought that was quite good and well referenced. Pictures are a problem, and a picture would be very desirable, but I don't know what the answer is.--Grahamec 13:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you could write an article on MBE as a "writer" with links to the B and E, if it is a substantial enough article in its own right. If it is not sombody might call for the articles to be merged.  I read Tomorrow and Tomorrow in Aust History strangely enough.--Grahamec 08:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Nevil shute
as i was saying to snowball - when i skimmed it quickly last night all my warning signal sensors went off at the same time - smelt odd. havente been back to it yet to work out why. cheers SatuSuro 00:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * private enterprise and ayn rand stuff - its a bit Original Research and suspect - that was it. I think snowball would tag for more than one ref too... SatuSuro 00:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe ive messed things up a bit but i thought biblio is not as straightforward and clear as works.im off for a while now - have a good day SatuSuro 00:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry will be on and off all day - my interest is the random nature of my editing and the immanent about to arrive shelving to get the remains of my fathers collections out of boxes for the last time (hoping)- I know we might almost have a run of shute somewhere....  (In librariansship courses isnt there usually the cursory issue of disaster management - flood fire silverfish - well the collection has almost been through all of that - :) - please do what you like with the article - I just have aversion to the ayn rand essay - will maul it later SatuSuro 01:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Flora Eldershaw
Hi Sterry2607. You are off to such a great start on the article Flora Eldershaw that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 20:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Australian women writers
Sterry2607 - You are very welcome to add to the list of Australian women writers. I came across the category when there were about 6 women listed and thought it could do with some expansion. I am also very new to wikipedia editing and thought by burrowing away increasing the completeness and links to information, correcting formatting etc, that I could be useful while I learn what to do.

Yes, the NSW premier awards is the first award I worked on. This was one way to find which women writers are in wikipedia. Qld next, and then ... the world? A page for the Age awards would be a great idea - quite a few writers have that award listed and putting up a page give a reference to the writer's article.

Look forward to catching up with you. Hope I didn't tread on toes by updating your page. Stellar 10:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I have left a comment at Stellars talk page re a biblio guide from the 1980's SatuSuro 14:05, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * satusuro's unofficial misreading of wikipedia number 543: - better a stub in wikipedia than a black stump in the fisher library basement :| when i think how close i was to my hero (at the time) and his work (kurrajong - i actually photographed his fallen down hut and walked around it)  - better to have stubs based on info from debras biblio book than not to have... as long as it is tagged for the project - and there is reasonable hope of expansions and sufficient notablity and reference - please go forth and multiply.  whew - theres enough puns, potential misunderstandings and allusions for a friday morning cheers SatuSuro 01:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Flora Eldershaw
You only have to put a name in default sort (placed immedately above cats by conventions) and then you leave names out of the cats entirely. Incidentally when I did Australian History under Humphrey McQueen in 1972, we wrote an essay on an appropriate Aust novel and while I did mine on T&T&T, Drusilla Modjeska did hers on an Eleanor Dark novel (I think).--Grahamec 13:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Jolley
I am happy to have that as a standard. The awards do have more interest, they are the recognising the best work. I will use that in other sites. Thanks Stellar 12:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)