User talk:SteveErwood

CS1 error on Child Helpline International
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August 2023
Hello, I'm Notrealname1234. I noticed that you recently removed content from Child Helpline International without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Notrealname1234 (talk) 22:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh please! I am the Comms Manager for Child Helpline International. I am BEYOND trying to update Wikipedia with the correct information for my NGO. You KEEP CHANGING IT BACK to incorrect information.
 * Sorry, but we are not all Wikipedia whizzkids with an implicit understanding as to how to edit these pages.
 * In the meantime, you are COSTING US FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, because potential donors check this page and see the wrong information. YOU ARE COSTING ME AND MY COLLEAGUES OUR JOBS...! Think about that, please.
 * Thank you so much "Notrealname1234". From ... a REAL person. Cheers!
 * (PS. I am cancelling my support sub to Wikipedia forthwith. I'm pissed off, can you tell?) SteveErwood (talk) 22:22, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * SteveErwood you were trying to remove information, that does not help. Notrealname1234 (talk) 22:26, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Please remove the entire entry for Child Helpline International, in that case. If Wikipedia ios incapable of providing inaccurate information about my organization, then I would prefer it if you provided NO information whatsoever. Or, offered to ACTUALLY HELP me update the content??? What do you think? Help, or not? SteveErwood (talk) 22:32, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If you do not have a source, then no. SteveErwood Notrealname1234 (talk) 22:39, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Who are you? Are you a person or are you a bot? Because if you are a person, you are actually being one hell of a difficult person to deal with at the moment. I AM THE EFFING SOURCE OF ACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT CHI... I'm it's Membership and Communications Manager; I think I KNOW how many members we have far better than you. And if you let me update the website URLS, your readers would be able to instantly verify that info too. What is your problem, "Notrealname"??? SteveErwood (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The problem IS that you are adding content that the website does not list and removing content without explaining why, im feeling that you are impersonating someone. SteveErwood Notrealname1234 (talk) 22:50, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Check the website then: https://childhelplineinternational.org/about/team/steve-erwood/ You will find me listed as the Membership & Communications Manager there. It's hardly rocket science.
 * How am I adding content that the website does not list??? I OPERATE the CHI website. I am trying to remove and/or update INACCURATE content on Wikipedia. I have explained my edits. You remove my edits and explanations at every opportunity. What is wrong with you?
 * I would also appreciate if you could kindly provide me, immediately please, with details as to how I make an official complaint about YOUR behaviour this evening.
 * I am impersonating nobody. You do not even operate under an acceptablde identity, my friend "Notrealname". So, which one of us is actually in the know as to what the entry on my organization should or should not say?
 * You are playing a VERY dangerous game, whoever you are. By publishing misleading information - including hyperlinks to dead website pages - you are damaging the fundraising opportunities of a small NGO. I have asked you for HELP to bring this page correctly up to date. You seem to be set on some crusade to destroy my every chance or opportunity to do it on my own behalf. I just don't understand anymore. I have always cherished, supported and regarded Wikipedia as being a bastion of internet information, and this is the SOLE page I have an absolute opportunity to make sure presents information correctly, and yet you are fighting against me??? SteveErwood (talk) 23:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * if there are no source, the inaccurate information has to stay. SteveErwood Notrealname1234 (talk) 23:11, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey. How about you actually HELP me update the page then? Because this is getting beyond a joke now. SteveErwood (talk) 23:15, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You have to actually provide a source. SteveErwood Notrealname1234 (talk) 23:17, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Child Helpline International, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Please stop removing and adding unsourced information, that does not help. Notrealname1234 (talk) 22:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Child Helpline International, you may be blocked from editing. the website does not list anything about what you added in your edit, also dont remove content without explaining why. Notrealname1234 (talk) 22:48, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. Bbb23 (talk) 23:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I have been trying to edit a page relevant to my work - a Netherlands-based NGO. Having our page up to date and accurate is vital to our success in acquiring funding for our continued operations, however this evening I have been repeatedly blocked from making amendments and updates to the page by a user based in (as far as I can tell) South America. I have been trying to learn how to update the entry accurately as I have been going along, even asking the person engaging with me for help; all that has happened is that I have been accused of being an impostor, despite providing information to support my relevance and authority to be able to actually correct the information. Halfway through my most recent attempt to update the information, I was summarily blocked, with no further recourse, and no further advice or support.

I *am* here to help build an encyclopedia, and I happen to be the relevant person able to represent the accurate information on the page in question, being the Membership & Communications Manager for the organisation. The person who has blocked me has been unwilling to help, unwilling to check that the links the page is currently directing to are *all defunct*, and unwilling to yield to any appeals for support.

Please kindly reinstate my status as an editor on Wikipedia, I have no interests in editing pages other than the one pertaining to my NGO. SteveErwood (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks to me here like SteveErwood is trying to do the right thing in the wrong way, but not in a blockworthy fashion (at least, not as regards the edits themselves.) The edits consisted of removing stuff that was badly out of date and replacing some of it with updated information. It's odd when Wikipedia uses archived versions of currently available web pages to support out of date information in an article; what the article really needed was exactly what SteveErwood provided plus updated links to support the new data. That being said: Steve, under Wikipedia policies, you shouldn't be editing this page at all, because of your obvious conflict of interest. We're really strict here about that. The proper way for you to handle this would have been to ask for corrections on the articles talk page. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106;&#x1D110;&#x1d107; 01:57, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm with Bbb23; given the attitude displayed. There was no "accusation", someone said they had a "feeling".  331dot (talk)


 * If you are employed by this "NGO" and editing as part of your job duties(as you seem to be as the Comms manager), the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure. Your organization does not have a page here("our page")- Wikipedia has an article about your organization. This is an important distinction- Wikipedia has no interest in how your organization obtains its funding. It's probably unwise for those third parties to rely on Wikipedia in making funding decisions, but that is up to them. Our only interest is in summarizing what independent reliable sources say about your organization- not necessarily what the organization wants to say about itself.  While Wikipedia strives for accuracy, it is not necessarily intended to have up to the minute current information(that is what your website and social media are for); but instead to provide a more historical overview and outlook as to what is said about your organization.
 * Your attitude did not help matters; instead of remaining calm and civil you lashed out and began cursing. That's not acceptable. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for a much clearer explanation, 331dot and Bbb23, and for taking the time and effort to do so. Yes, on reflection I can see that I am probably the last person who should be making edits to the page (as you say, conflict of interest issues arise).
 * May I kindly enquire as to how I can entirely delete my Wikipedia user account? I would prefer to withdraw from the administration side of this site completely - I only created an account in order to edit one specific page, but thanks to your explanation I understand that that doesn't make sense; so I don't need to continue to have a user account on Wikipedia, and no longer wish to; I'd also like not to have my user name (which is my personal name and not a pseudonym) retained on the site if possible, in the interests of my own privacy. SteveErwood (talk) 09:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It is not possible to delete an account for legal reasons, as all edits must be attributable to someone. If you no longer wish to be unblocked, I can close your request, and you may just abandon and stop using your account. Note that if you change your mind in the future and decide you want to make edits(about any topic) you must request unblock under this account. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you 331dot. Please close the request, and I can stop using my account as you suggest. I understand that edits need to be attributable, however am I able to change my username so that I can retain some privacy; unlike most of you involved in this present discussion I have used a username based on my personal, and therefore identifiable, details, leaving me feeling very exposed in future. SteveErwood (talk) 09:22, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You may make a request to do what we call "vanish"(see WP:VANISH for how to do that), though that is usually only done for accounts in good standing(i.e. not blocked). To be frank- for which I apologize- no one forced you to sign up with your real name and we encourage people to carefully consider the consequences of doing so before creating their accounts. I will furthermore note that, as you said above, your name is already very public on your organization website. However, all of that said, it doesn't hurt to ask about vanishing, especially if you intend to never return as an editor. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, thanks for the advice and the link. As for using a real name; yes, I should have "read the small print", I guess, however my natural instinct had been not to hide behind an anonymous pseudonym, if that makes sense? Now, I understand more clearly why such using my real name is not always such a good idea! Such are the ways of the internet... SteveErwood (talk) 09:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)