User talk:Steve Burch

User:Digital Movers LLC
A tag has been placed on User:Digital Movers LLC, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Calton | Talk 01:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Message from Steve
Good Morning,

I understand my page has been delete because of "blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person".

I'm not sure why my page on Digital Movers has been deleted, I see many pages that promote a company or person. Here are some to name a few... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GXS_(company) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Simpson

Of course I could come up with a much larger list, but I do not want to bore you :)

dictionary.com defines encyclopedia as "a book or set of books containing articles on various topics, usually in alphabetical arrangement, covering all branches of knowledge or, less commonly, all aspects of one subject." I think defining what Digital Movers does is a branch of knowledge.

I know that Digital Movers is not the largest company in the world, but I think the subject matter I laid out on Digital Movers is truthful and only describes what the company does.

Lastly, I do not expect to get any "referals" from the Digital Movers wikipedia page, I created the Digital Movers wikipedia page because I think the company is here to stay and should be defined what they do on a well known resource as wikipedia.

Any suggestions you can give will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time, Steve. (e-mail address removed)


 * You might want to take a look at WP:ORG for information on what is considered notable in terms of companies. An encyclopedia doesn't include information on every single thing it can, it only includes those subjects which are considered notable. The other issue with you creating this article is WP:COI. -Djsasso (talk) 17:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The difference with pages like IBM, Jessica Simpson, etc, is they're not promotional in tone and not written by the company itself, whereas you have a clear conflict of interest in writing the article about your company. If you think you can write a neutral (see WP:NPOV) article that uses reliable sources (see WP:RS), you should go to Articles for creation (WP:AFC) with your draft. —Random832 16:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Follow up message from Steve on 2/4/2008
Hi. I originally posted the Digital Movers wikipedia listing as the user "Digital Movers", since then I created a new user "Steve Burch". I also listed notable secondary resource. I could add more or remove some if you would like me to.

User:Digital Movers LLC
You have recently recreated or reposted material which previously was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policies. Please do not recreate this page without prior approval from an administrator or you may be blocked from editing. We ask that you respect what Wikipedia is not. If you disagree with the page's deletion, you may seek an independent deletion review. --Calton | Talk 16:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply Message to Carlton from Steve on 2/4/2008
Hi Carlton, I recreated the page based on the suggestions given to me by editors like yourself. Initially I created the Digital Movers LLC page using a user named "Digital Movers". Jeremy Harmon-Kiehl said that I needed to create a new user. So I did create the user "Steve Burch" and I reposted the Digital Movers LLC article.

Then Djsasso said I needed to add Notable Resources so to prove that Digital Movers does in fact do what the article says they do. So I added links to secondary sources that show that the article properly explains what Digital Movers is.

I also removed text like "Digital Movers is in the food industry". Although we are in the food industry as an EDI Service Provider, I couldn't find a secondary resource saying so. I removed several statements like that.

I do have respect for wikipedia's what-is and whats-not and I will not repost without making proper changes to the Digital Movers article.

Your comment is a little vague on why the article was deleted, can you clarify how the newer article failed? If you want I can add many more Notable Resources.

Any suggestions you have will be greatly appreciated.

Steve. burchs@dmovers.com

Any suggestions you have will be greatly appreciated.

Okay, the best suggestion is this: let someone else write it. And I don't mean go recruit someone, either.

If your company is worth an article, someone will -- independently -- write it someday. Thinking that if you can find just the right interpretation or loophole you can get an article about yourself is exactly backwards. See WP:COI for why. --Calton | Talk 16:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)