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-- 22:07, Sunday, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

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I have tidied up the layout of your draft at Draft:World Wood Day, particularly regarding the references. I went the full length only with the Irish Times (reference 27); the others are slightly less intricately formatted than they could be. As I said on IRC, WP:Referencing for beginners explains how to create such footnotes for your references. As an aside, the YouTube link for reference 20 seems to be broken, and YouTube generally wouldn't be considered a reliable source anyway. See WP:Identifying reliable sources for details. I also got the impression that the draft isn't quite a summary of what the sources report about the day. That is something that should be addressed; using your personal knowledge as a foundation for content instead of published sources is original research, something Wikipedia explicitly does not accept. Huon (talk) 00:50, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

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-- 00:54, Tuesday, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: World Wood Day (May 28)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Shadowowl was:

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&raquo; Shadowowl  &#124;  talk  07:27, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: World Wood Day (June 17)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Legacypac was:

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Legacypac (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to comment on my article. We both want the best finished product for Wikipedia. I think we have resolved the Facebook as a resource issue (I deleted all references to Facebook). I believe now that Wikipedia feels that World Wood Day and the International Day of Forests are two separate organizations and an article for each is in the best interest of the readers and Wikipedia, and finally I have made a satisfactory case that there is no conflict of interest in my biography and talk page as a Wikipedia editor has suggested.

Concerning the notability issue I would like to point out a few items.

1. The President of Nepal opened the World Wood Day ceremony in Kathmandu.

2. While it is true that I have referenced  some "in -bubble" sources as you said,  I would point out that there are also several sources that are not websites or special interest publications but are independent news agencies.

3. The International Union of Forest Research Organizations and the Society of Wood Science and Technology are both highly regarded organizations by natural resource professionals and have hundreds of member. Citing their websites should be fine.

4. Over 400 participants from over 100 different countries have participated in each World Wood Day since it began in 2013.

5. The two criteria for Nonprofit organizations as defined by Wikipedia are:

Non-commercial organizations[edit source]

"Organizations are usually notable if they meet both of the following standards: 1.The scope of their activities is national or international in scale. 2.The organization has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization."

I believe the WWD has met both these criteria.

6. I have been objective in relating the events as they have occurred, much as a reporter would do. As I mentioned in my biography I do volunteer for the International Wood Culture Society so I believe in their mission. If you can specifically give me an editorial comment in my article please let me know and I will correct it.

Steve at IWCS (talk) 23:21, 11 July 2018 (UTC)Steve

Managing a conflict of interest
Hello, Steve at IWCS. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Draft:World Wood Day, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:


 * avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors;
 * propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the request edit template);
 * disclose your COI when discussing affected articles (see WP:DISCLOSE);
 * avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
 * do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 02:47, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Response to Comments on World Wood Day Article
Conflict of Interest.... I have declared my affiliation with the International Wood Culture Society and have followed procedure by declring my affiliation in my biography. I volunteer for the International Wood Culture Society as I do for many other organizations like the city of Fort Collis as a master naturalist, Larimer County as a Parks Board Member, and as a Member of the Society of American Foresters. I am not a paid staff nor have I been paid in the past for my volunteer service. I am a retired Professional Forester who believes the IWCS has a mission statement that I can support.

Combining articles with the Interenational Day of Forests......The two organizations are different. The International Day of Forests focuses on forests as an entity and includes all resources included within a forests. The Focus is on protecting forests. The International Wood Culture Society focuses more on the culture of wood and how it is utilized throughout the world. To combine the two articles would not be advantages to the Wikipedia Reader. There is no professional connection between the two organizations. They both do celebrate their respective causes on March 21, the equinox.

http://www.fao.org/international-day-of-forests/en/

http://iwcs.com/OurMission.cfm

http://www.worldwoodday.org/about

SteveSteve at IWCS (talk) 18:56, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Help me!
I have been through 4 difference Wikipedia editors and get 4 different issues to correct. Sometimes they are at odds with eachother's recommendation. The initial response from the first Wikipedia editor was that it was the same as International Day of Forests. It isn't and I explained why. The last two Wikipedia editors agreed with me. The second was an apparent conlict of interest which I have addressed in my user talk page and biography. The third issues was to change my name to Steve at IWCS at the editor's recommendation. I did and now the editors say that my name is a red flag and it appears that I work for IWCS, I don't. Thanks for your help.

Please help me with...what do I need to do to get my article published?

SteveSteve at IWCS (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Steve at IWCS (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I can see how your username would be interpreted to say that you are "with" or "work for" IWCS. No editor should be demanding more disclosures from you, given the explanation on your user page.
 * As for Draft:World Wood Day, I still see it as not having enough notability references. Since I last advised you that you had sections without references and too many references that were "in-bubble", I do not see that you've made improvements. By "in-bubble", I mean that the coverage is in special-interest publications or web pages, which do little to help establish notability. Other references seem to be based on press releases from event organizers, coverage that fails to be independent enough to help establish notability. The overall impression given is that WWD is a cause you wish to promote.
 * If you wish to make the case for notability, I suggest you lay out your arguments on the talk page of the draft or at the Articles for Creation Help Desk. I think the notability guideline that applies is NORG. Getting agreement on notability in one of those places will give you a record you can point to when moving forward with this article.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 20:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: World Wood Day (September 7)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Miniapolis was:

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 Mini  apolis  20:02, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Help me!
Please help me with...

Steve at IWCS (talk) 18:33, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

It may be a while before I can get back to work on the suggestions for my article in sandbox. How can I keep Wikipedia from deleting it in the mean time? Thanks!

Steve at IWCS (talk) 18:33, 23 October 2018 (UTC)Steve
 * ✅. When we are talking about pages in the draft space such as Draft:World Wood Day, they become eligible for deletion after 6 months without any edits having been made. Usually you will be notified by a bot here on your talk page at the 5 months mark. In other words, make an edit to the draft every 6 months minus 1 day minimum, and it will virtually be able to stay indefinitely in draft space under the current rules. If you have any questions, you are always welcome to ask me on my talk page. Happy editing, Sam Sailor 18:45, 23 October 2018 (UTC)