User talk:Stevekamp

Wikipedia and court cases
Wikipedia doesn't cover routine small claims court stuff. We would need at minimum major newspaper articles to cover a legal case on someone's biographical article. MrOllie (talk) 21:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @MrOllie jumping on the hood of a car and having g a judgment entered against him is hardly routine for a person of Mr Maviglio's professed status as the most recognizable spin doctor in Sacramento 2607:FB91:7983:7B6:AC39:9A57:67B6:5191 (talk) 22:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing we can do with it without sources, such as articles in major newspapers. MrOllie (talk) 01:29, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @MrOllie so why aren't certified court documents acceptable? I can send you every one of them if you will give me an email address to send then 2607:FB91:7983:7B6:AC39:9A57:67B6:5191 (talk) 04:28, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * They are primary sources. Wikipedia relies on secondary sources. We need secondary sources to establish that something is worth writing about and to provide context about how important it is versus everything else in a person's life. If we used primary sources directly, most biographies would be full of trivia about celebrity parking tickets and such. MrOllie (talk) 11:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @MrOllie Mr Maviglio's attempted carjacking is hardly trivial 2607:FB91:792A:9038:AC39:9A51:686C:45D7 (talk) 13:01, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Then I look forward to reading about it in secondary sources. MrOllie (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2023 (UTC)