User talk:Stevekellman

Steve: I'm learning the Wiki protocols as I go. I have not yet learned how to create a link or proper footnote reference. I shall study more. I did attempt to be factual in referencing recent articles by a verifiable source and eliminating some personal point of view.

I would appreciate discussing the wiki page for NMC with you. I might imagine that you are an employee of NMC and may be a little biased in your revisions to remove my notes.

Are you an employee of the college? Would you care to explain your position and duties? Could we work to agree on a compromise and not war over the info posted to this site? What type of references would satisfy you?

NMCheadache (talk) 03:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)NMCheadacheNMCheadache (talk) 03:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

concensus building request
Steve:

I found this helpful advice:

While the burden of establishing verifiability and reliability rests on those who are challenged about it, there is usually no need to immediately delete text that can instead be rewritten as necessary over time. Obvious exceptions are articles about living people or clear vandalism, but generally there is no need for text to meet the highest standards of neutrality today if there's a reasonable chance of getting there.

Also, determining whether a claim is true or useful, particularly when few people know about the topic, often requires a more involved process to get the opinions of other editors. It's a good idea to raise objections on a talk page or at a relevant WikiProject. Discussing contentious claims helps editors to evaluate their accuracy and often leads to better sourcing and clearer phrasing.

Especially contentious text can be removed to the talk page if necessary, but only as a last resort, and never just deleted.

Now, I'd like to be a polite editor and ask that we work together to achieve the verifiability you desire, or the links. I know that you would not, as a past staff member, dispute the reputation of the Record-Eagle. I presume you want more specifics about the articles and opinions I use as sources. Even so, I must object to your outright removal of my notes.NMCheadache (talk) 04:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)NMCheadaches

edits not consistent with wiki rules
Steve Kellman:

It appears to me that you are not playing by the rules. Your removal of my posts has been done again without your attempting to contact me as another editor.

You are in fact a paid employee of the college. Your job description as Coordinator of Web Content for Northwestern Michigan College creates a conflict of interest that cannot be overlooked. Your past work experience with the newspaper I cite as a source (Traverse City Record-Eagle) should have provided you with direct knowledge of the issues my notes cover.

My notes have been reinstated once again. I ask politely that you communicate with me to reach a consensus.

I have identified myself openly in my user page as a watchdog and critic of the college. Your far greater experience with the web may be helpful in my contributions to wikipedia should you be willing to offer advice or suggestions to me.

NMCheadacheNMCheadache (talk) 11:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Stevekellman:

I have continued my study of wiki rules, and found this:

"These Terms of Use prohibit engaging in deceptive activities, including misrepresentation of affiliation, impersonation, and fraud. As part of these obligations, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. You must make that disclosure in at least one of the following ways: a statement on your user page, a statement on the talk page accompanying any paid contributions, or a statement in the edit summary accompanying any paid contributions."

I believe that your employment as the college's Coordinator of Web Content means that you have failed to identify yourself as a "paid contributor".

Again, I respectfully request that you seek consensus before again editing the wiki page for Northwestern Michigan College. I shall continue my study so that I might satisfy your need for a link.

NMCheadacheNMCheadache (talk) 11:33, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Employment disclosure
NMCheadache, thank you for your observations regarding my lack of disclosure regarding my employer; I've now added that disclosure information to my user page. My jobs do not include helping educate you about how to make contributions to Wikipedia pages, however, and I continue to maintain that your edits to the Northwestern Michigan College Wikipedia page are not valid edits. Stevekellman (talk) 17:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Great Lakes Maritime Academy
You should also refrain from editing this article also. Please do not make any edits to the articles and use Template:Request edit on the talk page to suggest any changes. tks 94.195.46.205 (talk) 04:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)