User talk:Steven (Editor)/Archive 3

DYK nomination of Wellacre Academy
Hello! Your submission of Wellacre Academy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:26, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

NCES Stats
Hi Steven. Being from Texas, I really enjoy editing Texas schools. Can you enlighten me on why NCES data is used for Texas schools rather than Texas Education Agency (TEA) data? Thanks in advance PhillyHarold (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, well NCES is the national database of stats for US schools, so by using this we can ensure consistency for all US schools. There is also a dedicated NCES infobox parameter, NCES templates for both public and private schools, and it follows in line with the national databases of other countries that we use to provide stats, such as Get information about schools for UK and Education Counts for New Zealand, hope this helps Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:19, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Great info. Thanks PhillyHarold (talk) 20:44, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Graph issues on Macomb Area Conference page
Hello! I was wondering if you could help me out with an issue I encountered while editing the Macomb Area Conference page. On there, there's a bar graph near the bottom showing all the schools in the athletic conference, as well as what division of the conference they were placed in for football in any given year since the conference's inception. They recently realigned for the 2020 season, so I was going to update the graph with the new division placements when I encountered an odd problem. Sterling Heights moved from the Gold division up to the Blue division with this realignment, but when I attempted to update its respective line with this, it remained as gold. I tried tweaking with it, and it seems no matter what color id I gave it, it remained as gold when it was updated. This is completely unique to the Sterling Heights bar as well; every other school I changed had no issues when I updated them. I can't say I've ever interacted with you in the past, so I don't know how well versed you are with these kinds of problems, but you seemed reliable, and you're a member of Wikiproject Schools as well, which is somewhat relevant here, so I was hoping you could help me figure out what the issue is, or guide me to someone who can help, because it has me stumped. Thanks in advance! Finchwidget (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the message. I see, I could take a look and see if I can work out the problem, but I've never worked on timelines before and also busy with other Wiki stuff so won't be of much help here — I have added some issue tags to the article as it is lacking sources and only has one source. I'm a coord for the schools project so if you do any other school-related issues/questions please let me know, I'll be glad to help out. I think can help here Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:05, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Macomb_Area_Conference&type=revision&diff=935423269&oldid=935330976 looks like a typo]? a search for 'bar:11' found the out-of-order definition. Frietjes (talk) 13:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Eesh, sorry about that, I can't believe I didn't notice that... thanks for helping me out! Finchwidget (talk) 05:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Wellacre Academy
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Inactive projects
Hi! Re: Education in the United Kingdom I think the idea is that people are to be encouraged to make these projects active again. The chances of that decrease exponentially if the wikiproject tags are removed.

I noticed btw that the wikiproject tags were not (possibly were never at) the likes of Oxford and Cambridge. Without traffic from those articles I couldn't see how the wikiproject would ever become active again. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:18, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, that was a quick reply haha — yeah I mean when that WikiProject was started it was pretty much hidden and not many editors were really involved with it (currently 4 listed in members) so it became inactive. I don't really see the need for that WikiProject and most education-related stuff is done in the very active WikiProject Schools, which you can see from the numerous project talk discussions, as well as Universities. Then you have the country-specific WikiProject's, but a bot can be ran in future to mass add that WikiProject to all UK-related educational articles if it does become active, so I wouldn't really bother adding it while it's inactive. Plus, not all countries have dedicated education in the WikiProject's, such as the US. By the way, do you know if that school has a website, I can't seem to find one, maybe they don't have one Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Lemme see if I can find one. I was able to get the Providenciales high school's site... WhisperToMe (talk) 18:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.gov.tc/education/ has sections not listing content due to it being "under construction" which IMO is unacceptable in 2020, but I'll check archives WhisperToMe (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I see, strangely the school name links to its Facebook page. Anyway, if the school doesn't have a website that's ok Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:46, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * After some thought I wonder what would help regarding that inactive project is if it is converted into a task force of WikiProject United Kingdom. WikiProject Japan has various task forces, so I think converting into a task force would help a lot. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , suppose it could become a task force of WikiProject United Kingdom but that may be difficult — you would need consensus, group of editors that would be interested etc. I think it's best to stick with what we already have above Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have just put on my sympathetic hat, and looked at WP Education in UK. I looked at their reference minimum school Bedminster Down School and was obliged to make a couple of links and corrections- like the principal's name! The project is inactive and should be closed as it adds nothing to what is already being done at WP:WPSCH. I can see the value of having subprojects by country to WP:WPSC but these should be for lands where our coverage is poor. We are having problems with heavily monolingual deletionistas in India, Pakistan and Bangla desh, a WP may be able to standardise a minimum High school and offer advice on finding RS in Sindh, Bengali and Punjabi. WP Education in India - maybe helpful in advising on how to change the Infobox schools template to include a field for the UDISE Code.  UDISE Code: 1913200420602204  could link to [UDISE Code : 1913200420602204/pallibharati-tilaboni-h-s.html @. But as for WP Education in UK- don't send flowers, donations to be made to Society for Overworked Wikipedians. [[User:ClemRutter|ClemRutter]] (talk) 13:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation! I guess my motive was to link institutions in obscure British overseas territories (in the Caribbean and the South Atlantic) to their mother country, the UK, through the education project. While not in the same league as South Asian schools, I felt the overseas territories had been somewhat neglected too, especially in the Caribbean WhisperToMe (talk) 05:16, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Park School page
You rejected my edit to the Park School of Baltimore page removing this portion, which I noted "lacked citations," asking why I removed sourced content:

"The average class size is 15 students.[citation needed] Park's faculty members have an average of 20 years of teaching experience, the highest of any independent Baltimore school, with an average of 11 years.[citation needed] Over 73 percent hold advanced degrees.[4][failed verification]

Ninety-two percent of Advanced Placement test-takers from the Class of 2018 scored a three or better.[citation needed] Over the course of the last 10 years[when?], Park has had more National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists than any other co-ed independent school in Maryland.[5][failed verification]"

This is not sourced content, and cannot be verified by any independent source. In some cases the information isn't even on the school website. It, as you can see, fails verification or needs citations. I've made the same edit again--it should be accepted. Once it is, the warning banners on the page should be removed, since all biased information (included a strangely worded segment in the Athletics section). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Termfrll (talk • contribs) 02:24, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Burr & Burton Alumni
I am unsure as to why you removed my grandmother’s alumni addition to the Burr & Burton Academy.

She was the oldest living alumni up until 2017 when she passed away at the age of 95 and can be confirmed under her adopted name of Betty O’Connor class of 1939.

Her biography to Wikipedia and its link to that are in progress.

While her estate is still being distributed I can tell you a copy of one of her publications is in the process of being donated to the academy that helped shape her future. Merlinares (talk) 22:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Burr and Burton
I appreciate you help. Thank you! Merlinares (talk) 22:31, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Universities vs Colleges
Please join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Universities before the discussion is closed. The outcome could affect the way the WP:WPSCH project works and may incur some changes that would need to be made. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:02, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft relegation and criteria
Steven, I appreciate your undertaking and your patrolling school articles on WP. However, I'm not quite sure I understand your penchant for converting a new article (admittedly in its infancy) into a draft version. I believe that, while this may seem like a good idea for articles with no structure, little content, and few if any references, it is against the intent of Wikipedia in its themes of collaboration and accumulated participation and content.

While I admit that articles initially submitted are often not nearly comprehensive enough, it seems to that relegating one to draft status prevents others from adding, editing and using the article until such time as a draft is deemed worthy enough. I see tens if not hundreds of WP articles which do not measure up to excellent standards — yet I am optimistic that, over time, the article will improve and become more useful. I question how Wikipedia's strength of collaboration and cooperation can be utilized if articles appear in some limbo state, requiring an initial entry to be so complete and polished that it requires significant effort by an individual to overcome the article's requirements. Rather, I suggest editors trawl for articles which present falsehoods and inaccuracies instead of preventing growth and input from other Wikipedians.

I'm certain that you have much more knowledge about these aspects than I do, although I have been editing and creating content for quite a while on WP. If possible, please provide me with a better idea of why both articles you've selected of my recent creation are not worthy of "non-draft" status. While I perceived your first action (on the Our Saviour Lutheran High School article) as a constructive way for me to add more information and sources, I quickly proceeded to do so. I'm surprised that the second action (on the second article about Kings Mountain High School) even occurred, however, as I thought I had provided at least as much source information in the text and references to at least be viewable and editable by others. When we consider that the review process to move something from draft to non-draft status may take up to 6 months, I believe that this designation should be used much less than it appears you do. So I would like both your reflection on this and your help educating me. It is difficult to not feel resentful when trying to help build WP and to receive what appears to be obstruction. I have no specific interest in either of these article's subjects. I merely notice occasionally when an article does not exist and have tried to help start one.

Maybe I am mistaken and Wikipedia has evolved far enough now that my old ways cannot (should not) continue. Maybe, however, the standard for articles needs to be balanced against encouraging the growth of information and helping to shape and support it, rather than reject something in its earliest stages. I know this was a lengthy message to you, but I hope you recognize that I sincerely do what I do to help increase the value of WP.--SidP (talk) 23:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you, but...

 * New Page Patrol needs experienced volunteers
 * New Page Patrol is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles. We could use a few extra hands on deck if you think you can help.
 * Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines ; Wikipedia needs experienced users to perform this task and there are precious few with the appropriate skills. Even a couple reviews a day can make a huge difference.
 * If you would like to join the project and help out, please see the granting conditions and review our instructions page. You can apply for the user-right HERE. —  Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) (click me!)    20:07, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

St. Mary's Central High School
Dear Steven, I have some new information regarding St. Mary's Central High School that should be added to its Wikipedia page. In the Fall of 2019, St. Mary's moved locations from the previous address of 1025 North 2nd Street, Bismarck ND 58501 to 5802 Ridgeland Dr, Bismarck, ND 58503. The information in NCES is outdated and it has the former address of the school. On St. Mary's official website (https://www.smchs.org/) on the bottom of the web page is the new address and contact information for the school. Also, I founded more recent numbers for student enrollment and the teaching staff, however, I don't know how I'd be able to site this source as it is a pdf. The website to find this information on is (https://bismarckdiocese.com/education) and the pdf with the information on it is in the bottom left corner under the 2019-20 Catholic Schools Directory. Hopefully, this information I found could be of use on this page and help in updating it. Thank you for your time and consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KLarson3 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Beltala High Madrasah (School)
Dear Steven, You are the expert on this topic and no doubt you have the more knowledge than me. Your suggestions is obviously very important for me. My last created article has been converted into a draft .Based on my knowledge, that created article had the sufficient references and it is also created by following the standard model for a school.So, i would request to you please reinvestigate that created article and remove from draft to article.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpagla (talk • contribs) 08:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Question!
Why can’t we add the school, newspaper, yearbook name, and our rival for Lebanon High School, Lebanon IN BWarchives (talk) 01:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * As long as you provide reliable published independent sources, you can. For the publications, if they are listed on the school's website and you are adding just the name of the publication, you don't even need that. Just leave an edit summary saying "per (whatever the URL for the specific page on the school website is). The rival parameter in the infobox however, does require reliable independent secondary sources, as it is an opinion. And if you wish to state anything further about either publications or rivalries, that content must be paraphrased from reliable secondary sources and you need to cite them. The encyclopedia article in Wikipedia about your high school is just that, an encyclopedia article. It isn't the school's "page" on Wikipedia and the school doesn't control it. Students are welcome to edit it, providing they understand that being a student gives them no special privileges and it indeed is a conflict of interest. Edits must be neutral. See WP:OWN and WP:COI for further. John from Idegon (talk) 01:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Spacing in Infobox
Hey, thanks for letting know about the spacing problem in the infobox. I have no idea why it's doing that, I'm not purposely doing that. Looking back at revisions I've made, it looks like this has happened with almost every single edit I've done in the past couple days (which is kind of late to realize considering I've edited around 100 infoboxes lately). Do you know why this is happening? Perhaps an error with visual editor (which I am editing from)? TheGEICOgecko (talk) 01:03, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, you're welcome. I see, I tried VisualEditor and yes this seems to be adding unnecessary spacing to the infobox — the spacing after the parameters is ok, if you have a look at the Infobox school template page, the spacing after the parameters is set to an adequate width, but no spacing before the parameters (before the vertical bar) which is unnecessary. It's not much of a big deal but it does make the infobox look a bit strange/messy. Posting on the VisualEditor talk page is a good idea, and if no one has replied, you can try the Teahouse. In the meantime, it might be better to edit the infobox in source editing (Edit source)? Steven (Editor) (talk) 01:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have already posted on the Visual Editor and Visual Editor User Guide talk pages, and will do my best to refrain from using Visual Editor until then. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 02:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Short description
FYI: I recently learned that short descriptions have other uses. for example Template:Annotated link uses them. after hearing they were "just an override" —¿philoserf? (talk) 00:03, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * You're welcome and thank you for the barnstar. Hope you're well, been a while - Thank you also for your excellent work on the article, and your cooperation on the talk page. If you need any further help, please let me know. Have you thought about taking the article to GA status? :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:35, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I enjoyed working with you. I learned a lot. I could use another view on a different article I'm working on, if you have the time. I have a draft I've been working on, but I'm not sure how to set it up do other editors can work on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JacDT (talk • contribs) 19:03, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry for the late reply and I enjoyed working with you too, always willing to help. I have been really busy lately so not had much Wiki time, but slowly coming back. I'm focussing mostly on schools (being a coord of WikiProject Schools) but I'll try to help if I get the chance — I can see Grand'mere is helping you which is good, looks like things are going well? To create a draft, you can simply visit the drafts page which has info about them and a box that you can fill in to create a new draft Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Steven (Editor). I finished the article and it's live now. Grand'mere did indeed help, wonderfully. Best -- JacDT (talk) 09:52, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

South Point High School
I'd like to clarify why I made the changes to South Point High School. For one, I don't see a need to include "high school" in the type of school. It is assumed that South Point High School is a high school. If anything, it would be best to include that it is a Public secondary school for non-American viewers.

The start date and age template will help with showing the age of the school, and there is no reason to disclude this information, and will only benefit the reader. It helps give a picture to when the school was established.

The campus type, suburban, does not need a link (MOS:OL), as English-speakers generally know what suburban means, in the same way it is assumed (therefore, unlinked) that the reader knows what United States, principal, or district is.

The school color edits were done to create optimal comparison of colors. There is no reason for there to be a border, except in the case of the color being white, of which in that case a light border would be best. Putting the colors side by side is optimal visually, both in a sense of comparing the school colors, and of an appealing sense.

The en-dash is simply more appropriate than a hyphen, as it is a range of years.

The deletion of the "www." in the school website is an attempt to minimize the number of readers that see the website link awkwardly sitting on two lines. There is no need for www. to be included, so I have removed it.

It also seems that a while back, you removed an edit on the school, of which I added the CEEB code. You said that other CEEB-related fields were removed, so it isn't worth adding the code. Similarly, I could argue that head-related fields (ie, Vice Principal) was removed, so it isn't worth adding principal/head fields. But the fact is that CEEB was considered useful enough to be included in the infobox, and unless it is decided that it should be removed, there is no reason to disclude it. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 02:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking back at the article, this school in particular has the color black, which matches the border. However, I think it should still have a border value of none for the sake of consistency, as there is less reason to include a border.

Also, I think that adding the line break in the school colors would be best due to it being subtley easier to compare the words to the colors if they are somewhat lined up in this way. I believe that even the subtle things matter, and that if there is no reason to disclude the line break, it would be best to include it. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 02:41, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * , yes it is a high school but it still needs to be included and for the automatic short description which is displayed under the page name when searching for the school; in line with other schools on Wikipedia (consistency). It is not mandatory to use Start date and age, usually this template is best for much older schools, but we normally use just Start date as per the Infobox school documentation page. Yes there is the overlinking issue, some schools have Suburban linked some don't — this is not a big deal so it's fine to remove it. It doesn't matter whether the colour box has a border or not, the colours can still be seen clearly and the border is the default — this is down to editor preference but going through articles to remove the border is not creating much value. There is no need to add a line break for the colours, displaying them next to the text will suffice (as you can see in the examples of the template documentation page). Yes en dash is appropriate, I didn't notice this article wasn't using it, I have added this back without the HTML coding (can be added like this via the Special characters dropdown or the bar at the bottom of the edit window). "www" is down to editor preference but using the full URL is usually best. Per the school article guidlines, deputy heads/principals/chairpersons are to be avoided. All of these edits are not creating much value and it is the content of the school articles that needs attention. Part of my work on school articles (a coordinator of WikiProject Schools) includes standardizing the infoboxes per the documentation page, so if you're making these types of edits, you will find them being changed, so at the end of the day, not much progress is being made here. Steven (Editor) (talk) 03:24, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There is rarely a reason to use the break markup on the color line, but not often. I will use it rarely when the length of the text causes the colorboxes to be on different lines. Then, and only then, I'll insert a break to force them onto the same line. John from Idegon (talk) 03:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks John, this is a good example of when a line break can be used Steven (Editor) (talk) 03:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't it be more helpful to include "Secondary school" instead of "High school" in the description? It's still apparent that many of the high schools are high schools, and so I believe that it would naturally be more helpful to describe them as secondary schools. Even if it isn't mandatory to use Start date and age, it is more helpful to include it. There is no reason to disclude this, and so it would be best to include it. I see it that subtle differences are still beneficial when it comes to school colors. It's not much, but I personally find it significant to create something as visually helpful as possible. If you insist that South Point not be changed this way, then I don't think it's important enough to make my point to change it for this school, but I don't see a reason not to value even the smallest subtleties. Adding www. will do nothing but create visual distress, but this also being minor, I don't think it's important enough to make a point for South Point. I am very aware that it is clearly against guidelines to add vice principals to the infobox, and am not saying it should be included. I was simply making a point that just because other CEEB-related fields were removed doesn't mean the ceeb field itself should be treated as if it were removed. This has been deemed helpful enough to be a field, and so there is no reason not to include it in every applicable school infobox.


 * From my experience editing so far, the infoboxes of high schools are largely unstandarized. There are tons of different ways to format similar information, there are infoboxes with overlinked color fields, so much information is discluded, despite the usefulness and how easy it is to add it. If there were a disttinct effort from WikiProject Schools to standarize infoboxes, I wouldn't have seen a need to edit infoboxes to begin with. As of right now, it is my primary goal to standarize American high school infoboxes by making infoboxes accurate, creating standarized format of values, and creating standarized prescence of certain fields. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 04:02, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think layout standardization is a good thing. Remember in the US, schools are the dominion of the various states. Although we can standardize using NCES for enrollment (a mission fairly well accomplished now, but we should still do an RfC and put it in the article style guide), much information in the infobox is going to vary state to state. Steven, why don't we let our reptilian friend kinda run with North Carolina? Keep section titles and order per WP:SCH/AG, infobox should be approached mainly from the docs for it, limit names to principal, superintendent and for private schools, the chief executive., would you be interested in that? I'm not going anywhere anytime soon, and I'll be more than happy to help. John from Idegon (talk) 05:41, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I would definitely be willing to do that! While I think I've learned a lot in the past 3 months, there's probably a good lot of things I'm not too familiar with, and I would certainly benefit with some guidance. While I plan on editing school articles from other states (though not as intensively as North Carolina, there are certain fields that would be of use, such as heads/principals, maps, school website, etc.), I'd like to also have a specific focus on North Carolina to further improve the infoboxes, and to some extent the body, of school articles. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 22:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The word standardize(sic) triggers an alert, so if I can add a few unhelpful comments. As a holiday from corvid, corona and economic armageddon, I have chosen an English county, this case Norfolk and started to destub all the secondary schools, most of which had been just labelled as stub by a bot. I have added a fair use logo, a pushpin map, the name of the academy trust and pulled enrollment and capacity from GIAS. You learn a lot about variance. I can live with the current infobox though would like to tweak it. Before you recommend any change can you remember that they  just be US specific.


 * Colours|Colors are not a UK issue, they have no meaning and I think newbies often waste a lot of time trying to fill in every parameter- and fiddling around here. pushpin_maps are incredibly useful in rural areas where even the local village lead does't give you much of a clue where the thing is. In NC I think that applies too. In a metropolitan area an OSM map is far more useful, as individual streets and buildings are mentioned in the article. I have watched this As of debate, and at best in the UK when schools were founded in AD 604, and refounded by Henry VIII in the 1400s : knowing its age in years is just clutter. The opened parameter causes problems, take one of our more modern schools Great Yarmouth Charter Academy this was started as a legal entity in 2016, but has been in continuous existence in different forms since 1551. There have been at least 4 name changes, and three major schools merging in.


 * On the readablilty stakes the UK is concerned about the parameter label

Department for Education URN
 * which wraps unless the local_authority parameter is present. This should not be used in the case of Academy (English school) which is most of them! The problem is that we are looking for the 6-digit number which now appears two lines previously. The wlinked Department for Education is just ornament, and is no help to understanding the article- it could be coded as URN. Alternatively the
 * colwidth= 33% should be set.


 * I remain shocked at the offensive rascist stereotype the school has chosen for its symbol. Lets leave it there and continue this over a coffee sometime soon ClemRutter (talk) 09:31, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Colors seem to be a lot more prominent in the United States than in the UK. I've edited 2 or 3 schools from the UK, and the information is drastically different, none of which listed school colors. In the United States, colors are quite normally listed, and definitely are relevant. I agree, pushpin_map seems to be optimal for all of North Carolina schools. Schools, at least in North Carolina, usually has clear cut opening dates, and I have not yet encountered a similar problem to that of the Great Yarmouth Charter Academy. However, there may be schools that may close and reopen, and the American Hebrew Academy may be such a school in the near future. I'm not too sure, but I think using the founded/established fields would eliminate the ambiguity of the opened field. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 22:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * , what you said above with the North Carolina suggestion sounds good. replying to what you said above and on John's talk page: "High school" is preferred and is the standard for US schools and in line with categories (high school is linked to secondary school). Already talked about using Start date per the documentation instead of Start date and age, not to mention that it is not much value to say how many years ago the school was established, and ClemRutter has give some info above. There is hardly that much difference between a colour box with or without a border, but what I said above about this and the "www" still applies. Yes the infoboxes are largely unstandarized because the infobox has gone through a series of changes over the years, and it has now come to the point where the infobox as you see it in the documentation is pretty much stable, with some parameters due to be removed — the standardization is being done on a gradual basis and it'll be a while before you see this. The established, founded and opened parameters are going to be merged as they mean pretty much the same thing, however established is the most used one and default in the documentation — only one should be used. As for portals, no need to add them to articles as the links to them are already provided on the article talk pages. Steven (Editor) (talk) 01:41, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * By "as you see it in the documentation," you mean that there's an explicit standarized format of some sort? Would that be in Template:Infobox school? If there is a set standarization, I would like to use it as reference. Also, I still have the question about empty infobox fields. While I don't want to spend a whole lot of time on this, I would still like to remove some empty fields if there is no use in keeping them. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, I still don't get why you're against the addition of the Start date and age template. It isn't necessary, but it's useful. Articles on people get these templates all the time, and while a person's age is more notable than a school's age, it goes to show that it is beneficial to the reader, regardless of whether the school is an old school or not. The template doesn't clutter anything, doesn't even take an extra line, and does no harm to the article. There is no reason to remove these templates, and if there is a reason, it has not yet been expressed. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 20:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , yes the Infobox school template is the one. The Start date and age is down to editor preference too, but again going through articles to change Start date to Start date and age is not creating much value. Also, I'm adding Start date per the documentation. Steven (Editor) (talk) 23:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The document specifies that "if the place or venue has "established", "founded", "opened" or similar dates, use start date for the earliest of those dates unless the date is before 1583 CE." However all 3 example infoboxes show the Start date and age template being used. While you said that it should only be used for older schools, there is nothing in the template page that refers to when to use it and when to not, and nothing in the talk page, nor any archives, even discusses the template. This leads me to believe that either the reference start date implies that start date and age can be used, or specifications simply haven't been discussed. Either way, the documentation doesn't seem to say anything about the disuse of the start date and age template for any reason. Also, not sure if it's important for template pages to follow manuals of style, but just a heads up that the sample infoboxes has a couple of en-dashes/hyphen and overlinking errors (the linking of Suburban and Latin, of which while suburban might not be so much set in stone, the linking of Latin seems to me to be clearly violating MOS:OL). TheGEICOgecko (talk) 02:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit request for Alpine Learning Group
Hi User:Steven (Editor), I recently created and wrote the entire Alpine Learning Group&mdash;a prestigious special education private school serving autistic children in New Jersey&mdash;article and was looking to nominate it as a WP:GAN. I am wondering if you could check if the references need any improvements and fix them (as well as any other edits) before I am nominate the article. Thanks, and take care! ATC. Talk 23:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry for the late reply. I've had a look at the article, so far it looks ok but it is not ready for a GA. This is because the majority of the references are primary sources, more reliable, independent sources are needed. Please ensure content is written from a neutral point of view and note that Wikipedia is not here to promote. In the intro, it says "it is known to be a prestigious educational and research facility utilizing applied behavior analysis (ABA) services" — this is a bold claim and can be kept provided it is supported by a secondary source. As for getting this article to a GA, please have a read of the school article guidelines which describes how the content of school articles should be organized, with the aim of providing general guidance to editors. Here is a list of our current GA school articles which will give you an idea of the scope. Hope this helps, Steven (Editor) (talk) 15:16, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Steven, is The New York Times an independent source? The statement that the school is “prestigious” is described in this NYTimes article here: https://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/13/education/learning-with-disabilities-an-answer-to-autism-nudging-toward-normal.html?referringSource=articleShare, which states that “Like many such schools, the Alpine Learning Group was founded by parents; the first classes were held in 1988, with four children in a church basement. It now ranks among the most respected programs, along with the Princeton Child Development Institute and the Douglass Developmental Disabilities Center at Rutgers University.” ATC . Talk 19:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, yes — please read the independent sources link I provided to you above which has more information on suitable independent sources. The history section for example needs independent sources as it is reliant on the school's history page. Steven (Editor) (talk) 16:54, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Infobox school
The title is hidden in the 'live' example, so it won't show the coord at the top of the infobox school template page. In the cut/paste example, 'title' should not be shown as within the 'hidden' remarks, as when this cut/paste example is copied to an article page, the coord would show both in the infobox and at the top of the article, like it normally would. I don't understand, at all, why you would want the title within hidden remarks for the Australian school, as it is not shown that way in the UK or USA example. Please explain your reasoning? Funandtrvl (talk) 02:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * For example, in the UK infobox school example, in the live code (the first infobox) the code is as follows. Note that in the live infobox, 'title' is between the code for hidden remarks, so it doesn't display at the title of the page it's on:



In the cut/paste version (2nd infobox) for the UK school infobox, the 'title' parameter is shown as normal, so that it can be copied into a new or existing UK schools article:

Please note that I have reverted your last edit, as it incorrectly showed 'title' within hidden comment remarks for the cut/paste example for the Australian schools. Regards, Funandtrvl (talk) 02:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, as mentioned in my edit summary after your revert, I mistakenly thought you added the hidden title code to the "cut/paste example" when it should only be in the live example so that it doesn't show the coordinates at the top. But yes, 'title' should be shown in the "cut/paste example", as it is in both the UK/USA examples, pertaining to the edit summary I provided on my mistaken revert "Title is not hidden here so it gives the illustration of whoever is viewing these examples how the Coord template should be formatted like in articles". Best, Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

School notability
Hi Steven

Thanks, I am aware that private schools etc may not be notable, my edit reason was a little clumsy. Thanks for your edits on Daubeney Academy and all you do on here. Bleaney (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I see haha, welcome and same to you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Government High School, Nassau
It's a stub. It has exactly 2 sentences and you have deemed that it doesn't have enough sources or citations?! All the entries that are on wikipedia that have no sources and you've decided that this doesn't have enough sources or citations.

It seems you've nominated yourself the school Nazi. Well, I'm not going to submit to you as some self-appointed judge and jury. ash (talk) 18:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, please read what I wrote on your talk page. Stubs are also to be avoided per the school article guidelines. Many current school articles are heading towards deletion because of the problematic state they are in. I cannot tell you about articles that have been kept in the past, but I can tell you that all new school articles appearing on Wikipedia now are being reviewed thoroughly — some are kept pending they meet the policies and guidelines, some head straight for deletion, and some are moved to draftspace for further work. I'm a coordinator for WikiProject Schools, I have not asked you to submit to me, submitting an article in draft means it will be reviewed by an editor. I'm not "some self-appointed judge and jury", refrain from derogatory comments — articles are reviewed on Wikipedia, that is how this encyclopedia works. Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

List of schools in Isfahan
i added sources to Draft:List of schools in Isfahan plz accept draft/move it backBaratiiman (talk) 15:13, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, once you have submitted the draft for review, you need to wait and once it has been reviewed, if accepted, it will be moved to the mainspace. If declined, you will be told the reasons why and what you would need to do next before resubmitting. Hope this helps, Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:25, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on Australian school nomenclature
Hi there. Thanks for your suggested changes to Don College. Last year there was significant discussion on the nomenclature of Australian schools where you provided great input. Thanks. As I now recall it there was consensus, in describing schools, to not use the genders unless it was a single sex school (boys or girls, for either the entire or part of the school years). On this basis, I will remove the term co-educational for the Tasmanian government colleges. Rangasyd (talk) 11:26, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, good to hear from you, been a while. Ah I remember an issue in that discussion haha, I don't think there really was a consensus on whether to not use the genders unless it was a single sex school. I commented you should mention co-educational so you mentioning it was perfectly fine, I wouldn't remove it — regarding that edit summary, what I meant by that was to use the gender parameter to mention the gender of the school (Co-educational/Boys/Girls) which is what this parameter is for, not the type parameter which is only to be used to describe the type of school it is, such as Private school. Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:18, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Daubeney Academy and 'hostile editing'
Hi there. I reverted your edit on Daubeney Academy as it is not needed - the article already mentions this school is an academy in both its infobox and its History section (see Wikipedia guidelines on OVERLINKING). Besides, 'academy status' really has no meaning - we don't put 'grammar school status' or 'free school status' or 'community school status' etc for other schools. A school's 'Academy status' relates to the governance of the school which is best explained in the main body of the article and not the lead...

And as for me reverting you being a 'hostile edit'? How is reverting 'hostile'? I don't see it mentioned in any Wikipedia guidelines...maybe this is something YOU have to get over. As always, any questions, please feel free to contact me... Bleaney (talk) 15:51, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

'Academy status'
Hi there :-)

Let's start again...

I have problems with the 'academy status' label that a lot of English school articles have on Wikipedia... The Department for Education does not use the term, it only really crops up here on Wikipedia. Now i'll admit I used the term liberally myself when I was editing and creating articles a few years ago, but that was when Academies were still extremely rare and therefore a bit of a novelty. Now a large proportion of secondary schools are academies, and no longer the exception. As we know being an 'academy' in England relates to its funding structure and governance, they still remain schools. While mentioning the fact that these schools are academies is useful and noteworthy, is it really so important to put into the lead of an article? Is it not better mentioned in the main body of the article, where it can be explained that the school was previously blah blah blah, but became an academy in blah blah blah? As I mentioned previously we don't do it for other types of schools (we don't say with foundation school status or with community school status in article leads). What are your thoughts about this? Bleaney (talk) 16:56, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, the reason I said the hostile thing was because I assumed the tone of your edit summary to be because of me moving your article to draft before haha. Anyway, replying to both as this is about the same article. A lot of the secondary schools have become academies that's true — I do find this academy programme terrible because even though it has benefited some schools and provided awesome new school buildings, there's been the news of overpaid CEOs, the annoying large number of schools being renamed, and if a school fails, it may be re-brokered to another trust where it is sometimes renamed again. I think the other constituent countries did well not to follow suit and changing a name doesn't really improve a school, it just gives it a way to kind of hide its previous history (even though history can't be forgotten), the "fresh start" thing haha.


 * Back to the discussion, so that doesn't mean it is an exception now, for a community school for example, it's easy to write the lead because you can just say community secondary school whereas for an academy, if we were to write it as academy secondary school it doesn't sound right because of the problem of academy also meaning school. 'Academy status' makes sense because it tells the user academy is referring to something else besides just a school. The Department for Education puts the type as Academy and phase of education as secondary so Wikipedia is following in line here. The purpose of the lead serves as an introduction and a summary, and where the type and location needs to be mentioned per MOS:LEAD and the school article guidelines. We also need to remember Wikipedia is read worldwide, so even if academy status may seem redundant for those in England, it's not for those in other countries. Best :), Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:53, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have been pondering the term academy status- yes I have used it- but it is simply wrong. It implies that it is an accolade which it isn't. Becoming an academy, represented a power grab by central government who just couldn't accept that the local authority actually knew how run local schools- and did so well. Becoming an academy meant the parents and staff lost the protecrion of the LEA. There are also five basic types- see our carefully worded Academy (English school) Our two sources of ultimate truth GIAS and Ofsted cannot agree on the terminology- GIAS likes 'Type' 'Ćategory of school', while Ofsted uses 'Ćategory of school'. There is no status - it is just a form of governance. It is wrong for 'those outside England' to be fed false information, The trick is to devise a form of words that is as neat and avoids the ugly Wikipediaism governance. :) ClemRutter (talk) 21:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * More requests but they will have to wait- run out of time. ClemRutter (talk) 21:14, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Interference with move of Union City High School
Per WP:RMUM, an article can be moved by any autoconfirmed editor "without discussion if all of the following apply: No article exists at the new target title; There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move." All of these three criteria are satisfied. Do you have any legitimate purpose in obstructing this move? Are you now following and undoing all of my edits for tendentious reasons? Alansohn (talk) 21:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I seen this article was moved and reverted it per the closing note of the previous discussion on the talk page "Disambiguation isn't necessary until other articles of this title are created. If and when that happens, discussion should resume." There was also an issue with your move as you didn't move the talk page which has the GA review subpage etc. over to the disambiguated title. I'm unsure if this should be disambiguated with it being a GA, but I've added a hatnote until (if) this article is moved to the disambiguated title. Just to clear the last part "Are you now following and undoing all of my edits for tendentious reasons?" No, why would I do this? Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm really not sure what it is you're trying to accomplish here. There are three clauses in WP:RMUM and let's go through each of them:1) "No article exists at the new target title" - no such article exists at Union City High School (New Jersey) 2) "There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title" - The move discussion you reference happened almost eight years ago. Barack Obama hadn't even started his second term. This discussion is ancient history. There are other articles that need to be disambiguated that share the same title, which was the lone criteria of the move in the distant past. 3) "and It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move." - No one has objected or is likely to object; nor are you raising an objection with the move, merely your being bothered by the way the move was done. There are two articles that share the same title and there is no argument that the school in New Jersey is the primary topic.All three criteria are met. I'm not even sure what it is that you think that you are accomplishing by interfering in this process. I ask about your objective here because I can't figure out why any editor would waste time to edit war on the number of spaces in an infobox or to get in the way of an utterly non-controversial page move. Alansohn (talk) 22:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please re-read what I wrote and instead of complaining, go to the talk page and initiate a requested move. I have already answered you regarding spacing so no need for me to repeat it. All the best :D Steven (Editor) (talk) 05:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

To answer your question
The reason I accepted the draft was because I thought it would probably survive at AfD and thus thought it appropriate to accept given the criteria of both AfC and Draftify. Feel free to nominate for deletion if you think differently I won't take it personally. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:56, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I see, thanks for letting me know Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:27, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for using AFC comment to log the copyvio on Draft:Hyogo Prefectural Kobe High School. Seeing that, I found and removed the copyvio and slapped a copyvio-revdel template on it. Now that an admin has redacted the revisions that contained copyrighted material, I can properly thank you without invoking the Streisand effect. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  20:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, you're welcome, and thank you for removing the copyvio and adding the template :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:29, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Michaela Community School
You enjoy maps! I zoomed in on the infobox map. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaela_Community_School#/map/0 At 3 zooms- the pointer has separated from the highlighted box. I can't see an obvious reason- but it looks more like a bug than a feature. Is it worth pursuing? --ClemRutter (talk) 15:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I had a look and can see what you mean — it’s not a bug, either the coordinates are wrong (changing the coordinates to where the highlighted box is will solve the problem) or the highlighted box is (is this the school?) Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:21, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Re:Speedy deletion of Template:HBO
I just found out that you tagged Template:HBO for speedy deletion on grounds it acted as a substantial duplicate of Template:WarnerMedia Studios & Networks. I have filed to contest because the template was created on a similar basis as other templates focused on the multinational corporate structure of a U.S.-based television network (such as Template:ESPN and Template:Nickelodeon), and included links not featured in the template you asserted it duplicates. In addition, as the template's creator, I received no notification on my talk page that it was being contested (as would be normal procedure for deletion of content created by a particular editor) and the reasoning for deletion is undercut by the fact you had copy-pasted the template structure into the Home Box Office section of the WarnerMedia Studios & Networks template around the time you requested the HBO template's deletion, effectively causing some of the duplication you cited as justification for deletion. I would have instead kept the HBO template as a standalone while also treeing it within the WarnerMedia Studios & Networks template. TVTonightOKC (talk) 06:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , it is an unnecessary template and was previously deleted as a duplicated template in early 2019. What you should have done is start a discussion on recreating the HBO template, as what you effectively did was recreate a duplicated template with a few more articles, a few plain text names (should be avoided), an executives, defunct and former ventures, and a miscellaneous sections — you could have added this to the HBO section of the WarnerMedia Studios & Networks template that it is part of, and there is the problem of having too many templates. The Defunct and former ventures section was problematic in that you had information that belongs in the article which would have references to support it, whereas this is a navbox for navigating. In addition, it has plain text names which should be avoided even though I kept these, but may have to be removed. As for notifying on talk page, I may have forgotten to do this so I apologise for that (assume you have the template on your watchlist?)! There is not much value in having a HBO template "as a standalone while also treeing it within the WarnerMedia Studios & Networks template" — it's small that it works well as a section as you can see in the WarnerMedia Studios & Networks template. Steven (Editor) (talk) 07:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * In this case, an AfD discussion on the template could have been used (and may well be needed) instead of a Speedy Deletion request to provide a better consensus on how to deal with the template (keep, merge, tree or delete). I am not aware of any similar template being created in 2019, as I have never seen such a template placed in the main HBO article. The closest to one from prior to my creation of the template in September was one focused on HBO's original programming. TVTonightOKC (talk) 15:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Schools infobox
You seem to be taking the lead on infoboxes. The Hundred of Hoo Academy- this is interesting infobox as it has been edited by an ip who is attempting to express: the executive principals title and his name, and the local principals title and name. As an ip he is not privy to the discussions we have had, and naively is doing his best. From it we can see our missing fields- and the need for two more to represent the executive principal who will be shared with other schools in the MAT. I suggest


 * | executive_head_label = Primary Principal
 * | executive_head = Mrs Sally Brading
 * | head_label = Secondary Principal
 * | head = Mr Carl Guerin-Hassett
 * | religious_head_label =
 * | religious_head =


 * ClemRutter (talk) 20:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Quote. There are already far too many parameters to describe the head of the school so we don't need any more parameters. There are 2 head parameters with override labels, 5 principal parameters with override labels (too many) and various others (you can see these on the template page). Au contraire. We just need the two I have defined above to describe the most most common type of state school- the academy. I have renamed r_head to religious_head to be more specific in its intention. There was a discussion years back about it not being used to name deputy heads or head of houses. It is needed in certain catholic schools, and in certain islamic schools. I believe that all the other parameters can be abandonned and expressed using the three above. The remaining problem is what do other countries need. We need input on that, and before making any changes, we need to consult on the project talk page and the infobox talk page. It important that the parameter names are clear, as this template attracts a large number new and occasional editors. I got involved in a destubathon and have destubbed all the secondary schools in Norfolk, than then many elsewhere and I saw how a lot of naive editors were approaching Wikipedia schools which gives me some data to work with, and the wondrous names they give their principals (MAT and local) and there is some deep internal politics involved.Some take a hierarchical approach while others see the MAT almost as a bought-in service and thus secondary. But you can be sure that the Executive principal gets paid more than the local headteacher

File:Fair use logo The Hundred of Hoo Academy (screen grab).png
What are you talking about? I can see it on the article named in the nomination. Can you correct it- then explain what went wrong?

I really don't find it very helpful when you jump in when I am in the middle of editing an article. I want to spend the first two hours of the morning adding properly referenced content not squabbling about a work in process. The rules on references state the over-riding principle is that the reference must exist, even if we can't access it on line. I agree that the internal school document is too weak to remain- and it requires you and me to attempt to find more parallel references. Steven, you have never told me your location- I haven't a clue how much of the Kent Education history have experienced, or which libraries you will access to. Tag the paragraph and leave it a month to give other editors to help- I can think of two who might be watching or could be asked.

You are right about the broken references- each one needs to be replaced, and often the text updated. In some cases it will require rewriting another wikipage!

Incidently I am finding a lot of pages that once were displaying module= mapframe, are still displaying that map along with the new automatic map. In most cases they can be deleted but there are some that display extra information such as two sites that must be retained. Suggestions? I might add more to this paragraph later today. ClemRutter (talk) 09:47, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, replying to everything above here. Regarding infobox, I put the parameters above into bullet points to help structure it better and remove unnecessary spacing. There are already far too many parameters to describe the head of the school so we don't need any more parameters. There are 2 head parameters with override labels, 5 principal parameters with override labels (too many) and various others (you can see these on the template page).Iĺl have a look tomorrow, but every UK academy has two heads so it is a big problem
 * I cleaned up The Hundred of Hoo Academy article — I've replaced the logo with a better one which is why you're one is being deleted (you can see this on the file page).
 * Yes- see the reason- its not our fault that both of them look as bad- the web page graphics are appalling. Poor oversight by management again. When you did the improvement it would have been helpful to have pinged me to let me know you were orphaning an image. That was the problem there.

Yes, but what exactly is "school internal document", it's just plain text only that says only this, that could mean anything and does not help at all? It's like me going to an article, adding some information and then putting school internal document as a reference. Don't forget you can still access the previous history text in the edit history, you're welcome to add it back pending you can add sources for it, don't just add it all back, the section had references to the school website that didn't work and unsourced statements (the citation needed tags dated back to 2011!) — some of the references don't mention the school.Communication problem again! Say what you want to do first on the talk page when you know the editors working on the page. The issue goes back I think to a suggestion that text from a page The Three tier system on the Hoo Peninsula should be merged into this page, then the next dispute about the way the school declined on the resignation of Ray Robinson was added - with too much detail. I think I say this stuff in a briefing paper to members of Medway Councillors, but we need a proper reference before we cull the text. I have made several changes to the references as you will see in the sandbox.
 * Regarding mapframe, the module parameter was being used by editors to add a mapframe however this parameter is mainly for embedding other infoboxes. As mapframe is now implemented in the infobox, if you see module being used for mapframe, you just need to remove this manually. For schools with multiple campuses, still remove the module parameter and do what I did for St John Fisher Catholic School for example, with the mapframe-custom parameter (better map and embedding on both desktop and mobile devices).

✅ That is great- can it be done by a bot rather than manually? If we must do it manually- can we draw up a list (hidden category) of the boxes that need changing.

Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comments in green ClemRutter (talk) 01:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Niall Dunne's Wikipedia page - new section
Hi Steven,

My name is Sophie and I am very new to being a Wikipedia user editing and writing articles. I am contacting you because I saw that you had made changes to Niall Dunne's Wikipedia page a couple years ago. I was hoping I could get your help to create a new section on his page. As I am currently working at Polymateria, the company at which Niall is CEO I am unable to update his page due to WP:COI guidelines but am wondering whether you might be happy to help me add a section to his page?

If you are happy to help me I can send you the text that I would like to update the page with.

Again, as said I am very new to this side of Wikipedia so please do let me know if there is another way I should be trying to make these changes.

Thank you and hope to speak soon, Sophie

SophieStromback (talk) 16:02, 20 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to Wikipedia — I see, please ensure you have read the conflict of interest guideline, and you'll need to disclose this. If you'd like to propose your changes on the article talk page (as per the guideline), I can take a look at this and be more than happy to add it for you (will let you know if there are any issues). Please ensure that what you are proposing is written from a neutral point of view and sourced with reliable, independent sources. Best, Steven (Editor) (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Steven, Thank you for your detailed response, very much appreciate it! I think I am beginning to get the hang of it. I have now created an edit request on [|Niall Dunne]'s talk page. Any chance you could have a look at it? Thanks again! SophieStromback (talk) 16:28, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi again Steven, Sorry to bother you! I just have thought I'd reconnect as I made my edit request for Niall Dunne's page a couple weeks ago which is waiting for approval but I was wondering if you knew whether there was any way to get changes approved quicker? All and any tips will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you again! SophieStromback (talk) 10:17, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi again Steven, Sorry for the spam - I just realised that I'd made an error when I last messaged you but have now fixed so my page request is in my Sandbox and also on my talk page. If you have any feedback on it let me know. Have a great weekend! :) SophieStromback (talk) 15:39, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Ampleforth and implications to infobox documentation
Great. You have just done what I was about to ask you to do. Thanks. Real life intervened. I stopped when I couldn't add the default 'area' to a multi-site maplink before I attempted to add the related prep- school in Gilling Castle ( a lesser task! ) What we have at the moment is fine. So I am back on my hobby horse about readable documentation. Searching for the above information, it is not clear from the example of UK school how to do what you have told me with that one example edit. The rest of the text is just too dense for the un-confident user- or the user is just too dense for the text, or both. To understand the documentation you have to have a knowledge of the history of the code.

Reading it all through again- to the user, it appears as if the map just appears like magic like the word information. There is no mention of the parameter mapframe in the usage or parameter list. It appears in a disconnected way in 2.1 Map and coordinates.

So they look to the example- and again I could find no example of how to override the default map or indeed the very useful maplink method for lines and multiple sites, There is no example on how to modify a maplink map and to still maintain the defined shape (I don't mean locating a wikidata q number- unless it is easy and idiot proof- I want editors to stay on focus and write copy, not to investigate Lua and mysql- fun though that may be.)

I'll have a go at tidying up the Infobox documentation, if you will copyedit my work so it complies with other infoboxes.ClemRutter (talk) 22:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

The Rural Enterprise Academy
Hi Steven, and thanks for highlighting problems with the newly written article The Rural Enterprise Academy. I believe I have addressed these. Are you an AfC reviewer who can consider moving this article back to mainspace please? Best regards — Hebrides (talk) 21:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I glanced at the infobox, looking for the URN. To help I added some coordinates, and,, I used Maplink to change the scale. It appears that something is broken in Draft-space. The schools marker does not appear when saved- but is there on preview! ClemRutter (talk) 00:10, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding these – much appreciated. Is there anything more I need to do to make the article suitable for mainspace? Incidentally, I have absolutely nothing to do with this school – the first I heard of it was when trawling new articles with AWB. I spotted that the creator was a new editor and wanted to give them a bit of encouragement. I feel we lose too many new editors when their best efforts are criticised, the learning curve gets too steep and the rules seem endless. So I'm keen to get this article back into mainspace if we can, and give them an idea of the power of collaborative editing. Cheers — Hebrides (talk) 20:56, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry for the late reply, you did a good job adding some additional information for this school with secondary sources. I'm not an AfC reviewer unfortunately so it would be best to wait until the article is reviewed. An article being in draftspace doesn't mean the article isn't good, it doesn't really discourage editing, it just allows the creator to work on the article more and be told of any improvements that need to be done if declined, before it appears in mainspace. I can see 2 new school articles by the creator have been deleted, and strangely the creator hasn't made any more edits to this article besides the initial three. You're right about the power of collaborative editing and this happens in drafts too, hope this helps Steven (Editor) (talk) 00:09, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Bryn Celynnog Comprehensive School, Notable Alumni
Hi Steven, I noticed that you removed Adrian Lewis Morgan from the Notable Alumni section of Bryn Celynnog Comprehensive School as his attendance was unsourced.

I attended school with Adrian (I know this is not sufficient evidence), so I've been looking for a newspaper article to reference, and found the below

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/former-pupil-in-doctors-role-2376708

Would you be able to add him back to the list?

Thank you

David (talk) 13:40, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the reference - I've added the school and reference to his bio article, and added his name to the Notable alumni section of the school article :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Embedding OSM Location maps in infoboxes that don't accept the module parameter
Happy Census 2021 Day. Help needed. As part of a London wikimeetup we got to attempting a GAN review which is how I got to helping an editor with adding a detailed map to Template:Infobox civil conflict for his page Shaheen Bagh Protests. What goes in and on the map and article content is for the editor to decide. The question is how do we get any OSM map in to that infobox. Though I can't pull up an appropriate example there are other infobox templates that could do with their push-pin maps being overwritten on occasions. So have you got any ideas what we could do here? ClemRutter (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

List of schools in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Memphis
Hello. I noticed on my watchlist that this page was removed from Category:Lists of schools in Tennessee and then saw you had redirected it. That's fine, but I guess it never occurred to me that when someone converts a page to a redirect, of course the categories get removed as well. Or should they?

Just curious in general, is there a guideline or rule-of-thumb about what to do with the categories of a page that has been turned into a redirect? Should they always be removed by default? Nothing at WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT addresses this.

Thank you for your time and efforts. --DB1729 (talk) 00:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

MOT Charter School
Hi Steven! Hope you're well. I saw you reverted the updates and citations I added to MOT Charter School. Can I ask why? The version you restored doesn't have sufficient citations and I worked really hard to fix that. If I'm violating any rules I'd like to know so I don't continue to do it. Thanks! Puppies937 (talk) 20:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Monroe High School Edit
What made you consider the notable alumni update a “non-notable alumni,” just curious? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.181.81.189 (talk) 03:28, 22 July 2021 (UTC)