User talk:Steven (WMF)/Archive 2

Urgent poke
The changes you made to the Huggle configuration are causing warnings like this. Please test carefully before deploying... Logan Talk Contributions 02:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I forgot to mention that I temporarily undid your edit while you fix the random templates in order to prevent further damage. Logan Talk Contributions 02:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) Glad to hear you're figuring out the issue. Logan Talk Contributions 02:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehe, why I got a feeling it's again the same issue as before ^^ apparently templates are ok but the randomized contains wrong links Petrb (talk) 08:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was a dumb mistake. I just linked to "-short" and it's currently at /short for all of them. I'll move them and restart it. Steven Walling &bull; talk   08:07, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, yeah, all I did was add the wrong template name ("uw-foo1-rand-short" instead of just "uw-foo1-short"). Fixed and tested in my sandbox, so I'll restart the test now. Thanks again for your patience, Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   23:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome. I'll let you know if I encounter any issues. Logan Talk Contributions 23:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Uw-blank1-short doesn't seem to be working for vandalism on user pages. Logan Talk Contributions 17:06, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It probably doesn't work on any other namespace, if it's doing that. Will alter accordingly. Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   18:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I have fixed it. Logan Talk Contributions 20:26, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Fantastic. I'll look at the other templates and make sure they use the magic word instead of just the after Talk:. Thanks again Logan, I can't tell you how much I appreciated the help. Steven Walling (WMF) &bull;  talk   20:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Haha, no problem. Just one slight issue; when the vandalism occurs on a talk page, MediaWiki gets confused and just does a red link to the article's talk page, as seen here. We might need a parser function to just link to the page if it is a talk page. Also, the wording could be wrong if it is not an article...maybe just say "the talk page" on all of them? Logan Talk Contributions 14:40, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think I found the problem. When you added the short versions, you weren't passing the parameters to them as well in the random templates, so they weren't getting the article link. Logan Talk Contributions 17:48, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Development
Hi Steve. I'm sorry  if I  misunderstood -  I  thought  from  our earlier discussions that  you were involved in  some way  with  Article Creation  Flow and Zoom. Nevertheless, it would be great to  get  some news on progress of thse developments. Nothing appears to  have taken place for getting  on  for 3 months. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:57, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I give up some of my time to help Howie, Brandon, and the features team, but technically it's not my job. ;) Anyway, they've been busy working on Special:FeedbackDashboard in the meantime. The article creation and NPP improvements are still on the docket, as far as I know. Best regards, Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   06:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Rotate-Mess causes Commons' users being attacked
Hi Steven, could you please have a look at the meta-forum posting and comment there? It is really an issue on Commons and Wikipedia, the largest user of this media-repository. I will try to run a local site-notice on Commons. Thank you. -- Rillke (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

ImageTaggingBot testing
Hey, stupid us, without checking Special:PrefixIndex/User:OrphanBot we went and created subpages for all the new templates for the test. See the list on the drafts page. We just assumed you didn't want any extra work, so we went ahead. :) Anyway, we made both randomizers (to randomly deliver the tests or the current versions with a switch function) and empty z tracking templates that are inside our versions. Let me know if you want to use ours, or if I should delete them. Happy holidays, Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   00:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer yours since it makes for cleaner bot code. How do you want to handle the "signature vs. hidden comment" test?  Do you still want to pair signature with draft 1/hidden comment with draft 2, or do you want to fully randomize it giving all six possible variations? --Carnildo (talk) 00:45, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Would you randomize it in the bot source, or would we need to do that in the templates themselves? Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   00:50, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Depends on which option is used. Signing draft 1 but not draft 2 would be done by modifying the templates; going with all six variations would be done in bot code. --Carnildo (talk) 02:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I think we'd prefer to do it in the bot code, for the sake of efficiency. If you'd rather not rejigger the settings though, that's perfectly okay. The signature thing is not a huge priority. Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   21:40, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * So you want to randomize "sign vs. comment" for every message wording? --Carnildo (talk) 22:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I just checked with Maryana and I guess we've decided it's not worth spending time on. There is enough difference in the templates already to test. Whenever you want to start, it's probably good. :) Thanks Carnildo, Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   22:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The bot's been operating with the new messages as of December 21, 00:00UTC --Carnildo (talk) 02:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Re: Testing with 28bot
Hi Steven. Sure, I'd be happy to help out. I'm a big fan of empirical data. :) Just let me know what I need to do. 28bytes (talk) 01:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 28bot currently uses uw-test1 exclusively; that's currently hard-coded but I can easily swap in something else or pull it from a configuration page instead. It should be no problem for it to post different messages depending on whether the editor is registered or not. 28bytes (talk) 23:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

tenwiki
Hi, I want to see if could to add one event to tenwiki, We celebrated ten years of wikipedia in Iran/Isfahan at 12/1/2011, but i didn't know that we should make a article on tenwiki. You can find pictures here and uncompleted report in local language (Persian/Farsi) here, Please aware me if still I can add this on tenwiki.--Bersam (talk) 13:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Now that the 10th anniversary is over tenwiki was closed, so I would suggest uploading those photos to the appropriate category on Commons. Thanks, Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   00:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello i organize an event for wiki but cant is for stewwards Carliitaeliza (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

no understand much,thank Carliitaeliza (talk) 02:12, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia close tomorrow
Go wikipedia Carliitaeliza (talk) 23:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Count me in!  Rcsprinter  (lecture)  16:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I wasn't sure which section to put this in, but I responded on my talk page about "AfD and PROD notifications", saying that I'd love to stay updated on new developments. Thanks. :) Banaticus (talk) 23:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Good call!
On linking the Teahouse image! Thanks! SarahStierch (talk) 01:36, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Message
01:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Disregard. I know see where to add the feedback (or "feedbag" if you're from the countryside). Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:45, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

AfD stuff?
I'm a bit confused, but it might be because I'm hurrying to get out the door; I'll check back later. Are you referring to this? Thanks, Bob the WikipediaN (talk • contribs) 23:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

the return of the son of the issue that would not be resolved
As you were the WMF point man last time we did this, you should probably be aware that another pending changes RFC is being drafted. I'll give you a minute to resist the urge to have me hunted down and killed...

It's not live yet, to avoid some of the problems from last time I am looking to recruit a group of uninvolved admins to agree in advance to administrate while the process is underway and to close it as a team when it is ready, already have one volunteer. I'm hoping that deliberately designing a process to avoid the problems we had last time, too many counter proposals, side issues muddying the waters, bad signal to noise ratio, etc, we will have a more productive discussion which will yield a usable result.

I do have one question as well: When we left off, the WMF position on PC was that there would be no more resources expended on it unless and until there was some verifiable consensus that it would actually be used on this project. I assume that is still the case but if you could verify that that would be great, as the draft currently explains that the option to modify it before deciding about re-deployment is off the table.

I'll be sure and let you know when it is ready to go live, and I'm reasonably confident it will be a much more positive experience for all involved than last time. I know it will be for me because once it goes live I'm going to add my endorsement in the appropriate section and let the admin coordinators handle everything else. Beeblebrox (talk) 03:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Beeblebrox :). I'm the Community Liason for the Engineering Department - I'll find out about pending changes for you ASAP. It's ridiculous o'clock at the mo in SF; there are some advantages to being a remote worker :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 09:35, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I note that, speaking personally, I'm sad not to see an option for pending changes as the default, just replacing the need for recent changes patrol :(. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 09:36, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Template help
Thanks for adding the substitute stuff to the templates, there are a lot of interesting things I've yet to learn! heather walls (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC).

JSTOR
I've opened up discussion here. Raul654 (talk) 16:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Steven
Sorry I didn't answer sooner, I've been really busy (on and off wiki) and I kind of let some things slip by. Nice to know that you enjoyed the trip, I did as well. Not that you can go wrong in going to Rio, but I specially liked WikiRio and getting to know the four of you (you, Maryana, Megan and Victor). I did stay til 2 in the morning eating pizza and drinking caipirinhas with Victor, it was an awesome talk.

Don't worry about saying goodbye (I actually remember you saying goodbye to me, right after you guys payed the check), we know you gringos can't handle the sun.

I look forward to guys posting notes from meetings. I'm trying to organize some notes about what I took from the meeting myself, I'll probably post these wherever you guys choose to post yours. Also, Maryana mentioned you might put the audio from the meetings onwiki, is that going to happen? As I understand it, there isn't an audio from WikiNatal, but from the others there is the whole meet.

Thanks for coming to Brazil and organizing these meets, I probably wouldn't have gone to Rio otherwise.

Chico Venancio (talk) 01:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I have finally made a draft of the project, I have never made or participated heavily on a project before, so any feedback is appreciated. I translated everything so you guys could read it without the peculiar Google translation (you might want to ‎compare it just for fun). Chico Venancio (talk) 23:51, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Photos of WikiWomen's Edit-a-thon
Hello Steven,

My wife and I got a kick from seeing your photos. Debra's first article, Amish dolls in now in main space, with my help. Call it a collaborative effort.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  01:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yay, glad you liked them. :) Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   16:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Afd/Prod wording
Juts taking you up on your offer for updates on this project. All the best. Rich Farmbrough, 00:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC).


 * Hey Rich! Thanks again for your comments on the testing project talk page for Twinkle. The status there is that we tried to distill some of the points people made repeatedly here, but it's not finished. We're working with Ryan Faulkner, our data analyst, to crunch the numbers to complement the feedback from editors. Based on a suggestion from DGG, the next step after we get all of that is likely an RfC with options for second template revisions, and a request for whether people simply want to see the edits made or if they want to keep testing. A combination of either is something we're willing to support. :) As for the Huggle tests, we've got a ton of analysis done and just need to make it readable by humans before we ask folks what they'd like to see happen next. Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   18:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Questions
Hi Steven! Where I can answer this question? Thanks! Vitor Mazuco  Talk! 18:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You can answer right there if you want, since no one else has! <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   19:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok Steven! Thanks! <font color="#FF2400">Vitor <font color="#000080">Mazuco  Talk! 12:26, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * You're welcome. :) <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   19:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

"tromping on the good intentions of others because they've grown cynical"
C'mon, Steve: really? Most of us who spend time at the business end of the Magical Firehose of Sewage (alias doing New Page Patrol) feel that we are trying to maintain some vague semblance of quality control here. I delight in new pages that have at least some semblance of notability, even if it's just the 200,000th fourth-tier Senegalese "professional" soccer league player. Why are we always being dumped on as the bad guys? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if I gave the impression I was talking about all New Page Patrollers. Quite the opposite. I was responding to the hostile tone in that thread, as well as the notion from Malleus that we simply don't want new articles. Obviously neither you nor most patrollers in general feel that way, otherwise you wouldn't bother. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   17:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Anybody who has ever translated his username understands that Malleus has a persona that is rather harsh and cynical; his edits are definitely characteristic of that stance, and I try not to emulate him in that. But I must say, some of us on the frontlines of NPP, anti-vandalism, etc. hear proclamations about new editor retention and get to feeling like a teacher in one of the more impoverished public schools, hearing some clueless suburbanite bloviate that we mustn't stunt the little darlings' self-esteem by stopping them from spray-painting gang signs on the chalkboards. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:18, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that for most people, "editor retention" doesn't include "vandal retention", but I agree that this could be made clearer. <b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#000000;">(talk) 02:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "I was responding to the notion from Malleus ... that we simply don't want new articles". I said no such thing. What I said is that we are not short of new articles, despite what some claim. Malleus Fatuorum 03:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you really don't think that and aren't just arguing for its own sake, then that's good news, at least from where I'm sitting. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   05:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow. Please re-read Village pump (proposals) until you understand just how grievously you have misunderstood MF's comments there (and here). Johnuniq (talk) 06:50, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've come to expect no better from WMF spokesmen. Malleus Fatuorum 15:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Proposal at Village Pump
I have started a discussion with a vote that you may or may not be interested in. Since you participated in a discussion yesterday which was similar, I am sending you this notice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Proposal_for_message_for_new_editors_creating_new_article. Mugginsx (talk) 17:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)