User talk:Steven Crossin/Archive 48

WP:AT & WP:Naming conventions (use English)
I've made recommendations concerning diacritics usage, at those 2 places. TBH, I've been quite bewildered with English Wikipedia, these last few years. I believe I'll be quite content, if the Arbitrators limit me to gnoming. GoodDay (talk) 03:06, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

British & Irish politicial articles
Thank goodness I'm banned from those articles. A known Welsh nationalist promotor, has just returned to Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 02:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what this message is supposed to accomplish, GoodDay. Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 02:41, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just looking for a shoulder to cry on. I'm already prepared to face the Arbitrators ruling. GoodDay (talk) 02:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Arbitration is not fun. I wouldn't have pursued it as an option if I saw an alternative - but I don't think you can voluntarily control yourself with regards to diacritics. I am at present writing up my evidence, and will also write some proposals in the workshop, but my recommendation to the committee will be a topic ban from diacritics, broadly construed. Then you can focus on doing some good around here :-) Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 03:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I shouldn't be barred from the hockey articles concerning diacritics, however. I've had the least disputes there. GoodDay (talk) 06:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Though it's likely irrelevant to the case, you do realize that If I'm barred from the hockey articles too, that'll be a green light for editors like Djsasso to do as they please. A situation which could re-ignite another diacritics war on hockey articles; even though I'd be absent. GoodDay (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's probably either being topic banned from diacritics, or being site banned - I can't talk for the committee but they are the two likely outcomes. I assume you'd prefer the former rather than the latter, which is why I've suggested it at the workshop. Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 20:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I realize that a site-ban is possible. I just hope my bannishment/restriction/block etc; doesn't have un-foreseen problems, concerning ice hockey articles. GoodDay (talk) 20:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless anything drastic happens from your end I can see no site-ban forthcoming . @Steven: can you have another look at your proposal. I know "broadly construed" is a popular ArbCom parlance but something more specific and detailed might be more useful here. Agathoclea (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

See my comments at the workshop for my reasoning. I'm not sure if a limited scope remedy would be workable or effective, but it's not up to me in the end. Steven  Zhang  Get involved in DR! 23:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

When (for example) I see blatantly pro-French language editors like In ictu oculi & P. T. Aufrette, being allowed to push French accents on English Wikipedia? I don't mind the possibility of being banned from diacritics. As I mentioned to Jimbo, it's all so disheartning & unbearble, to see that nobody seems to care. GoodDay (talk) 23:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

You know its pretty silly that you would state something like "green light for editors like Djsasso to do as they please" since I have only made something like 35 edits out of the 100,000+ that I have made on my time on the wiki where I have changed a diacritic in an article title and I believe almost all of them were reverts of other people. (This was calculated when the dolovis issue was happening). As for in actual article text I can't recall ever changing one either other than to revert someone else to our consensus (ie remove them). So to claim I will run roughshod over diacritics is a bit ridiculous. My position on has always been that people should leave them as they found them. People on both sides of the issue. Hence I have barely ever touched them. The ice hockey compromise was created to stop you from warring with IP editors if you go back and look at the old conversations. So I highly doubt you would see any wars at all if you were not present. Heck if you had never crusaded against diacritics there probably wouldn't have had to be a diacritics compromise at the hockey project because no one else was obsessed about them like you seem to be. -DJSasso (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I only hope aforementioned editors proove me wrong. GoodDay (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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you've got mail  Rcsprinter  (tell me stuff)  11:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied, thanks. Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 23:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

DR bot
Just to give you an update, I've done some research and found a good neural network library to use. I'm having to write a whole new language binding for it though because the current one is years old and doesn't work with any newer version of the library. I'm nowhere near done, but I'm just going to implement the minimal set of functionality I'll need and tests look good so far. The next step will be finding flamewars to feed to the network. At the moment, I'm thinking about parsing AN3 archives, finding talk page sections given the "Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page" links, and normalize the text for input. This is going to be pretty darn complex, though, and as always there's no guarantee it'll work. If you can think of any other potential sources for flamewars, let me know. . Even if it turns out that disputes are too variable for a bot to identify, this has been an interesting learning experience for me and when the language binding is done, it's going to help a lot of people. Cheers! &mdash; madman 18:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, you could always consider using Requests for mediation and it's subpages...there's a section labelled "Other steps of dispute resolution that have been attempted" which has links to previous DR attempts. That would possibly give you some results. Hopefully that is helpful...I know with ClueBot Cobi somehow "taught" it to recognise vandalism, but I realise a detecting a dispute is completely different from detecting a page replaced with "NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER", so take your time (though it would be nice to have something by the end of the month) :-). Regards, Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 08:00, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:HOCKEY
Just curious. Do you see anything wrong with my statement here? GoodDay (talk) 19:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it seems OK to me. Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 19:18, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okie Dokie :) GoodDay (talk) 19:28, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

SPI
Hello, I have answered to Sockpuppet investigations/Ceedjee. 81.247.97.117 (talk) 13:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, thanks for that. I'll wait for the filer to make comment before proceeding further. Regards, Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 13:39, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello,
 * Thank you. FYI : just want to edit far away from all troubles.
 * 81.247.97.117 (talk) 14:17, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

DRN change
Hi, Steve, please see this and this. At the risk of making a bad pun (is there any other kind?), is this shift kosher?--Bbb23 (talk) 19:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Guy Macon didn't think it was .--Bbb23 (talk) 23:32, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Stastistics of The Survey
It concerns me that you have used the conclusion of the results of the survey before it was published. It also concerns me that you use this conclusion to advance a number arguments in more than one discussion.

Why has it taken so long to publish results? Why did you use your own conclusion of the unpublished results in public discussions?Curb Chain (talk) 22:17, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It's taken me so long to publish results because, like everyone, I have a life. A full time job, a family. I have been compiling the results of the survey in the last five weeks, and the results are complete. Many of the conclusions we are already aware of anyways, that we need more DR volunteers and that the process is often seen as a complex one. There were no huge revelations in the survey - mostly it confirmed what I already thought was the case. I'll be publishing the results later today and we can go from there. Regards, Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 22:31, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Then you should never use the statistics before they are open publicly.Curb Chain (talk) 23:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 23:05, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
Hi,

This harashment that have lasted for long is tiring for me and disrupting. I don't see why editing under IP is a problem but it seems to be for these guys given their ISP request. If I create an account from which I will log and that I indicate former accounts name, do you think it will be satisfying for wp and for them ? 81.247.176.216 (talk) 19:42, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * All this is really crazy : Sockpuppet investigations/AnkhMorpork. SPI is not a tool to harash or transform WP in a Battleground. I edit WP from time to time but it is unbelievable what it became. I have no solution. That's just a pity it is impossible to develop articles on topics related to Israel and Palestine in wikipedia. Too much time consuming in any case. Good luck. 91.180.65.140 (talk) 07:39, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, creating an account through which you will log in and indicating the names of former accounts will resolve the issue.—Biosketch (talk) 16:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Thank you for your understanding attitude. ' Ankh '. Morpork  18:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for your invitation but..
Since you happened to be the 2nd to last person to write on my talk page, and the subject matter is so apropos, perhaps you could be look into the |last edit that was made to my talk page. I would greatly appreciate it, un☯mi 09:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/GoodDay closed
An arbitration case regarding User:GoodDay has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
 * 1) GoodDay is indefinitely prohibited from making any edits concerning diacritics, or participating in any discussions about the same, anywhere on the English Wikipedia. This includes converting any diacritical mark to its basic glyph on any article or other page, broadly construed, and any edit that adds an unaccented variation of a name or other word as an alternate form to one with diacritics.
 * 2) GoodDay is strongly warned that, in the event of additional violations of Wikipedia's conduct policies (especially of the nature recorded in this decision as findings of fact), substantial sanctions, up to a ban from the project, may be imposed without further warning by the Arbitration Committee.

For the Arbitration Committee, Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 08:03, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

60th National Hockey League All-Star Game
Howdy Steven. How should I handle this situation? I'm considering staying completely away from hockey articles, if he's always going to be the first respondant. GoodDay (talk) 22:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

DR
Hi! I am having my RFA in September, and TParis recommended that before it starts, I should get involved in dispute resolution. He told me to contact you to get started. Thank You! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I recommend you start by chipping in with a few comments at the dispute resolution noticeboard. If you want, you can read the noticeboard guide and look through some past discussions to see the kind of comments that can de-escalate disputes, but those are both optional. Best — <span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 21:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What ^he said. DRN is the simplest way to get involved, but remember - RFA is not just a checklist of things to tick off - it's much more complex than that, but getting involved in dispute resolution may certainly help. Let me know if you need anything. Regards, Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 22:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How can I get involved? I'm looking to get experience in as many areas as possible for my RFA. Also, what is the template substitution code that indicates that the AFD is over that you put by my NAC? Thank you, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:50, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd start at WP:DRN - but being completely honest - don't do something solely because you want to go for RFA. Many would oppose you for that. Script for closing AFDs is importScript('User:Jnothman/afd_helper/script.js'); - but be careful. Do a few bad NAC's and you'll fail RfA faster than you can say "I accept the nomination". Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 13:37, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

How do you make NAC's with it? Electriccatfish2 (talk) 16:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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Article in PLoS ONE
You might want to read this article. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0038869 <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;"><b style="color:#01796F;">Pine</b><sup style="color:#01796F;">✉ 01:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting...I'll have to read this in-depth at some point. Thanks, Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 03:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

DRN
What are you supposed to do at DRN to resolve a dispute? Electriccatfish2 (talk) 20:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, what is my role there? Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:16, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll send you an email. Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 21:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Electriccatfish2 (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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DRN
Hi! I replied to your email and have postponed my RFA plans for now. Also, what should one do at the DRN to help resolve a dispute between two editors? I cam across a situation where 2 editors were cursing at each other last night. I tried to resolve it, but was unsuccessful. I reported them to AN/I and they are currently blocked. Thank you, Electriccatfish2 (talk) 00:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC).
 * Hi again - sorry I have received your email but am unbelievably busy - I will endeavour to reply to this as well as your email by the end of the day. Regards, Steven   Zhang  Get involved in DR! 01:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:Editing restrictions
I've opened a discussion, concerning Topic banned editors, being gag ordered on their userpages. GoodDay (talk) 21:06, 30 June 2012 (UTC)