User talk:Steven Crossin/Archive 52

Invitation to join Wikiproject Conflict Resolution
WikiProject Conflict Resolution.--Amadscientist (talk) 08:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Would WikiProject Dispute Resolution accomplish the same sorts of things that this new project? If it does different stuff I'm all for it, otherwise it may be doubling up? (I haven't been on wiki much lately, spending time with family after my fellowship but I'll be back in full swing soon) Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 09:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No. In fact, the purpose of this project is to pick up where the DR project leaves off. Mainly with editor conflict and conduct. This is not a civility enforcement taskgroup. We are not attempting to make people act nice to each other or take on issues of simple name calling and incivility. Our goal is to provide tools and venues where editors can help mediate over conflicts that may not even be over content with the goal of improving the quality of experiance for everyone.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Have fun with your family.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way. It has been suggested that I should be using your research and following your route. I actually am. Not sure why that would even be a question or concern or even required, but I have been looking at all your work as the basis for what I am doing. I want to be clear to you about this, as I truly respect all that you have done in this area. This is not about replacing anything you have achieved. It is about continuing your ideas into an area needing much attention. Disputes arise and then they go, but conflict seems to remain. Conflict is a different animal than a dispute. Conflict can happen without content and even then can last beyond a resolution regardless if the editors agree to a compromise.--Amadscientist (talk) 20:29, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Help needed
Can you supply some input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Conflict Resolution? Particularly on the question: Was the intention of the DR project to include conduct disputes as well as content disputes? Thanks. --Noleander (talk) 15:07, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Google hangout discussion off Wiki
I do have time, but need to do some looking into the whole setup and if I am able to do it with one of my video cameras. Not sure if they can live stream. E-mail me and I will get back to you privately.--Amadscientist (talk) 08:08, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I just added you to my Google plus circle. This looks like a possibility.--Amadscientist (talk) 08:13, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I tell you what. If you want to have an open, honest discussion in real time....is it really best to go against consensus over a good faith creation of a guide? If this is a reaction to a perception that I have disrespected you and your efforts I apologize as that is NOT the intention. I have so respected all the effort you have put into this project but if you wish to just ignore the fact that there has yet to be a consensus to merge I just don't know how to react here. I am going to set up the camera etc. if possible but that was just not something I can call a good faith attempt to collaborate. If you feel that it is best to merge the guide why don't you add your voice to the current discussion> There is already one volunteer that wants to merge or delete the whole thing. Surely we still work within a consensus based decision making collaboration and can come to a quality resolution without taking matters into our own hands. Bold editing is acceptable but I don't think bold deletion is. Please forgive my tone if this comes across as curt, but I am a little shocked that you are requesting face time and then do that. --Amadscientist (talk) 10:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I found the guide you created to be more substantial than the original one so I replaced the original guide with the one you created and added a few things from the original. But fair enough. I've saved my changes to the volunteering page and reverted back to how it was, and reverted your guide to the version before I made any edits to it. I do think it best to consolidate the guides together (otherwise we are confusing our volunteers rather than aiding them) but this is a discussion we can have on the DRN page. (My version of the volunteer guide is here, fwiw). I did not mean to come across as rude, however. I hadn't read the discussion in length and thought it'd be something that wouldn't be opposed to. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 10:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Be careful with those offline video chats with Steve, Amad. He'll entice you into the cabal heh, heh, heh ... TransporterMan ( TALK ) 13:19, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sssh you! Heh. (For what it's worth, we should probably do a chat at some stage, considering I've had a Wikibreak for almost two months and want to get back into the swing of things). Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 13:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I found everything to plug in the camera and power it with a plug so it doesn't shut off after 3 minutes of continued use off the battery. I uploaded the apps and tested. Not quite sure everything is one hundred percent as I can't tell if there is sound or not and if I am going to need to use an external mic. But I saw a moving pic even though my camera doesn't show anything in its screen....and saw my messy house and shut it off. LOL!--Amadscientist (talk) 21:22, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * So I take it you are ready? Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 21:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I have sound. I am not sure how to start a hangout myself yet and I don't know how to make it or limit my stream as private.--Amadscientist (talk) 21:25, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, we can test it and find out. I'll initiate a hangout on my end, you should receive a notification via email. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 21:27, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I appear to be looking at a meeting of some sort.--Amadscientist (talk) 21:31, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Can't see you in the hangout. Try going here and type in my name to start a hangout with me. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 21:34, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, bad timing I guess. I had to shut off when my partner came home to protect his privacy. Will try again in a bit.--Amadscientist (talk) 21:39, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'm around all day (next 12 hours). Steven  Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 21:40, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I wanted to ask a question about your hangout request. Could you clarify if you are requesting a one on one or is this to be a hangout with the full Australian Wikimedia organization as I saw in the initial attempt?--Amadscientist (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not sure how that happened. I must have been in a committee meeting that day. It'd just be you and me. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 09:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I still need to get this to work. My camera does not have sound hooked up but I do have a separate microphone. A friend of mine is going to help me figure this all out, but it is better to hold off for a bit until I ma not as...concerned about Noleander and what I feel to be confrontational and obtuse tactics. I don't want that to unfairly effect my view on you, and I need time let a few loose ends to tie up.--Amadscientist (talk) 08:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * On C now at G+.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

ANI Notice
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Resolving a dispute about resolving disputes. Thank you. —Guy Macon (talk) 04:57, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Appealing a restriction
Seeking restriction appeal here. -- GoodDay (talk) 23:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Dispute resolution noticeboard
Dispute resolution noticeboard, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Dispute resolution noticeboard during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Rschen7754 05:32, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Note
Hi Steven - I just wanted to drop a line to say I'm glad to see you've taken on board some of the suggestions made in light of some speed bumps at WP:DRN. As I said in October we all want to see this board work. However, I think Rschen's MFD should have been let run its course. Not because I want to see DRN deleted (it wouldn't have been and I wouldn't have !voted for deletion either), but because IMHO the board needs community discussion & perhaps community oversight (just like every other board does). WP:DRN cannot afford to have another instance of over-reaching by a volunteer. With that in mind I'd suggest that DRN would be well advised to reconsider how it excludes ppl - it's a VERY bad idea to give random but well intentioned users the impression that they can forcibly exclude others (this power, in fact, conflicts with site policy). *IF* it becomes necessary to exclude someone from a discussion at least get an uninvolved sysop to do so - their understanding of policy has been vetted by the community & they are accountable for their actions. DRN volunteers who take positions on content cannot then be seen as neutral uninvolved arbiters of discussion, once they comment on content they become new participants in a debate/discussion, they cannot then decide who should or should not participate in that discussion. Perhaps DRN does indeed require clerks, or at least two types of volunteers - those who are willing to get involved with content and those willing to stay outside and remain uninvolved. In the interests of fairness we all need outsiders to moderate discussions - that doesn't mean we always need an admin - WP:NAC gives good guidelines when a non-admin closure at XFD is appropriate, perhaps this could be used as a model for when DRN needs a sysop to step in and the best practice for non-admin moderation of discussions. Anyway good luck with the reforms, DRN is a good idea and its only natural that it hits a few speed bumps - as James Joyce said: "Mistakes are the portals of discovery."-- Cailil  talk 15:29, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

March Grants News
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British/Irish articles probation
Hello Steven. I need your advice here. -- GoodDay (talk) 06:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This as well. Trying to get GoodDay to reflect rather than just withdraw if criticised  Snowded  TALK 07:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the Topic-ban reinstatement (honestly), Steven. I was getting tired of Dai's bitching to Snowy. Atleast now, there's little chance of getting ANI reported by him. GoodDay (talk) 17:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

The knife is cutting deeper. It's actions like his, that makes editors retire. I'm feeling mighty low, these days. GoodDay (talk) 11:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Notification
Hello, this is just a courtesy notification that your name came up in an AE thread. Nothing huge about you, but figured you might want to know. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 23:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, this AE appeal may involve you on more than a "nothing huge" level, since TBotNL is defending his indefinite topic ban of Rumiton in part by citing discussions he said he had with you. If you could come over to the AE request page and let us hear your own views directly, I think it would be helpful to us.  Thanks.  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 04:19, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Project for RfA nominators
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Why?
Why are you helping Sjones undo my edits? This is really getting to me. It can't be okay for her to just claim someone is a banned user, then run around vandalizing articles and undoing my attempts to get someone to look at the situation.
 * Fragments of Jade, please stop. You don't know what you are doing. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:57, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

YGM
You've got a bit of mail mate. (am I saying that with the proper accent?). :) — Ched : ?  05:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Way off. Not even close (you know that I have my email on push, right? So, I get your email before I get the email that tells me I have a talk page post that tells me I have email). Just sayin. :P Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 05:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I have the push to my Chedzilla account on both my computer and phone, and the Ched just to my computer - but I wasn't sure if you did or not. Good to see you around - hope to see a RfA in the future if you're up for it too. — Ched :  ?  05:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, if you're not aware of WikiProject Admin Nominators, it may be something to keep in mind for the future. :) — Ched : ?  11:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I spotted it. I'll probably RFA in August or so. Failing that I think I'll just forget the idea. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 11:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Helping DRN
Hello-thank-you for the message about the dispute organizing effort. I have left a message in the topic there and I am committed to watching DRN and your proposal more carefully. Seeing how many tools here on WP are under-maintained or abandoned, I SUPPORT the effort to strengthen tools which can assist editors with trouble.24.0.133.234 (talk) 13:57, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 09:37, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

NACs
Just thought i'd drop you a quick "thanks" for the non-admin closures today at Articles for deletion/2011 High School Club Challenge League etc. People do sometimes moan about overzealous non-admin closures, so I do think it's only fair to come and acknowledge good ones! I've reappeared from a fairly lengthy absence from the wiki to clear some AfD backlogs, and it's nice to see you having the same idea. :) ~ mazca  talk 09:56, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate that. Yeah, I trawl through the old AfDs most days and close the ones that I feel meet the NAC criteria. There are others that I'm pretty confident as to how I'd close them, but not being an admin I leave them alone. Thanks again :) Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 10:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Your handle
There are no tell-tale signs or clues on your user page and I'm curious. Is it just a wikihandle, are you Chinese, or is it an adoptive name? Regards, --  Ohconfucius  ping / poke 03:14, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, it's a common question. When I married, I decided to take my wife's last name. Odd practice, I know :) Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 09:11, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. Weird for an Aussie. FWIW, it happens quite frequently in Scandinavia. --  Ohconfucius  ping / poke 04:13, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Lists of tropical cyclone names at DRN
Howdy Steven, just thought I would let you know that I have closed the discussion as resolved. As those of you who speak the queen's English would say cheers! -- Cameron11598  (Converse) 05:49, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know :) Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 07:40, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Family issues
I have been out of town dealing with family issues and was unable to post nearly at all while I was gone. I may be off Wiki periodically over the next few months or more, every two weeks of so and my contributions my slow down or be very minimal.--Amadscientist (talk) 20:10, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to hear that, but I appreciate that you trust me enough to tell me. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Regards, Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 20:47, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration amendment request
An Arbitration amendment request which you initiated has been closed and a motion passed, you can view the final amendment request and motion [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment&oldid=551547710#Amendment_request:_GoodDay here]. The Abirtration Committee has resolved to ban User:GoodDay from the English Wikipedia for a period of no less than one year. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Additional information providing for recent SPI
Mr. Zhang, I responded to your request for further information at Sockpuppet investigations/Msoamu. I'm not sure if it is enough as I am inexperienced with such investigations, but I did my best. I just wanted to let you know. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

A favor -Environmental law articles ready for preliminary review
Hi Steven. I see that you're an online ambassador. I'm the Professor for Aaron Frank's environmental law class, and while you're not signed up for my course, I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look at any or all of the articles my students are working on. One of the aspects of this sort of course is that students understand that they are putting their work out before the wikipedia community for review. In the past, there hasn't been that much activity on their pages as they were working on them. I was hoping that if you were willing, you could take a look. If not, no problem.

The students now have draft articles in mainspace and are starting to review each other's articles, and they could also use a preliminary review by an experienced Wikipedian in this area. If you get a chance, ideally sometime before Thursday or so, please take a look at the following list of articles and leave feedback on the talk page: Thank you! Aarf613 (talk) 17:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Federal exemptions for hydraulic fracturing
 * Storm King Mountain: Consolidated Edison v. Scenic Hudson Preservation Conference
 * Tennessee Valley Authority v. Hill
 * American Electric Power Company v. Connecticut
 * Sierra Club v. Babbitt
 * Los Angeles County Flood Control District v. NRDC
 * Hazardous Materials Transportation Act

DRN on Ghost in the Shell
Hi. I am not involved, but if you don't mind, can you please take a look at Dispute_resolution_noticeboard? There seems to be a disagreement between four users, but I think this needs to be resolved. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I will take a look a bit later today. Regards, Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 05:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Also, we need uninvolved users from WP:ANIME to discuss the matter too. The DRN is going nowhere fast. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Steve
Now might be a good time for us to have a chat. Drop me an email or text or something - I might have some good ideas for ya. — Ched : ?  05:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Busting ass Barnstar
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A favor -Environmental law articles ready for preliminary review
HI Steven. I see that you're an online ambassador. I'm the Professor for Aaron Frank's environmental law class, and while you're not signed up for my course, I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look at any or all of the articles my students are working on. One of the aspects of this sort of course is that students understand that they are putting their work out before the wikipedia community for review. In the past, there hasn't been that much activity on their pages as they were working on them. I was hoping that if you get a chance you can take a look.

The students now have draft articles in mainspace and are starting to review each other's articles, and they could also use a preliminary review by an experienced Wikipedian in this area. If you get a chance, ideally sometime before Thursday or so, please take a look at the following list of articles and leave feedback on the talk page: Thank you! Aarf613 (talk) 05:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Federal exemptions for hydraulic fracturing
 * Storm King Mountain: Consolidated Edison v. Scenic Hudson Preservation Conference
 * Tennessee Valley Authority v. Hill
 * American Electric Power Company v. Connecticut
 * Sierra Club v. Babbitt
 * Los Angeles County Flood Control District v. NRDC
 * Hazardous Materials Transportation Act

Talkback
Darkness Shines (talk) 17:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

please see what user Darkness Shines is doing in Sockpuppet_investigations/Msoamu
please see what user Darkness Shines is doing. please remove comments added by a normal user Darkness Shines in clerk section of page Sockpuppet_investigations/Msoamu.it would be a cause of misunderstading.please check history of that page.even i tried to add comments thier that darkness is a normal user he reverted that.please i request you to remove the comments of a normal user in clerk comment section.Thank you. Dil e Muslim  talk  17:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

now the comments are moved by some other user here. Dil e Muslim  talk  17:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

please check sockpuppet mosamu and "am not new" relation
here i request you to check the relations between an not new and child star grown up.please it is important.

listion the ip of child star is 182.188.190.59 taken from its investigation page and my ip is 119.154.4.48.there is absolute no relation between range.the only relation which is visible is relation between location internet service provider and location.and it is because there is only one ISP in Pakistan that is PTCL.i request another clerks to please check my relation again.

please i request you to see once again. Dil e Muslim  talk  07:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I am unfortunately not a checkuser and I cannot see the information that you are discussing. I would suggest you wait to see the outcome of the case. Thanks. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 08:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Survey questions
Hey Steven. Just a quick FYI that as part of my work creating a suite of Learning & Evaluation survey resources I have added the question list for the Dispute Resolution Volunteer Survey you conducted last year. I hope this was the right place to put that list! Also feel free to link these to the rest of your project resources as you see fit! Cheers, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 22:40, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

A request
Heyya,

Have submitted a presentation proposal for Wikimania 2013. Found that you too were interested in attending the same.

My submission can be found here. Please sign at the bottom of the page therein as a possible attendee if you feel that the presentation would be worthwhile.

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Re:Martha Logan FAC
Absolutely- the oppose isn't final. I worry that the article is a little too far from FA status at this stage, which is why I opposed rather than just commenting, but I'm open to the possibility it could be improved significantly within a few days. I've watchlisted the page, and will reply there. J Milburn (talk) 09:59, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Tenmei
Please give some thought to the reasoning here. If you have anything to say about it, please contact me off-wiki. --Ansei (talk) 13:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Mehmed II
Hi, you were you going to give your thoughts on this dispute resolution please?

thanks. Contaldo80 (talk) 15:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Likewise, If you're not any longer able to look at this aricle then could you just please let me briefly know - as I'm keen to move things along and will suggest a relisting of the dispute to see if others are perhaps able to help. Many thanks. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am afraid I am working on restructuring DRN at present so I am unable to assist with this dispute right now (but I may be able to soon). I would recommend re-filing the dispute. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 10:15, 27 May 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks Steven. Contaldo80 (talk) 09:25, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Come celebrate IdeaLab’s (re)Launch!
 We’ve redesigned the Grants:IdeaLab to make awesome collaborators and shiny new ideas easier to find. You’re invited to the (re)Launch party!

Come visit  and create a  profile, share or join an  idea , and  tell us what you think  about the updates!

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SPI
Hi! I've moved you to the inactive section of the SPI clerks page since you haven't clerked in over a month, but feel free to move yourself back to active when you return. Hope all is well! --Rschen7754 18:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)



IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users
Hi. We're organizing an office hours session with the Teahouse to bring in mentors from across the wiki to and discuss it's potential to support mentorship broadly. The Snuggle team would appreciate it if you would come and participate in the discussion. We'll be having it in on '''Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC'''. See the agenda for more info. -- EpochFail (talk &bull; work), Technical 13 (talk), TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2013 (UTC)