User talk:Steven Crossin/Archive 6

You, guy who "spents a lot of time patrolling" and what not
I'm not blocked, I was blocked for a few minutes only. I wouldn't even edit if i was blocked! Would you STOP and see what you are doing? What are you reverting? Hello? --84.234.60.154 (talk) 13:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * At the time I reverted the edits, you were blocked. And I am not stalking you. Don't make such suggestions. The edits must have been made before you were blocked. I also do look at what I am doing, and, maybe it's possible I made a mistake. However, if this was the case, there is no need to go slandering me, and making accusations. Steve Crossin (talk) 14:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Use the green button Cross, that's what it's for, huggle aint smart enough to know when a user isn't blocked. -- ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk | Contribs) 06:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Err, the green button? Doesn't that ignore the user? Ignore a blocked user? Can you clarify that for me? Steve Crossin (talk) 06:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, pressing it twice resets the status of a user to huggle. -- ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk | Contribs) 06:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh, okay then, I'll keep that in mind in future :D Steve Crossin (talk) 06:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

MedCab case
Of course you can have a word with me about the case. Whatever it is you need to say, I am open to.--Lan Di (talk) 06:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Hookah
>Hi, the recent edit you made to Hookah has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Steve Crossin

So when are you planning on changing the sentence which we had highlighted so that it actually makes sense? There was no point in deleting our notes highlighting that the sentence didn't make sense without actually correcting the sentence at the same time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.108.154 (talk) 13:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * May I suggest you use the field instead? To make notes for yourself in the article? Steve Crossin (talk) 13:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

AIV comments
Trust me, I get beat a lot of time to answering questions or reverting vandals. And, I'm sure you've been the one a couple of times, too. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 14:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't be suprised if I habe beaten you a few times. I've beaten DerHexer before as well. Steve Crossin (talk) 14:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Though remember it is not only about being the fastest, but making sure you actually revert vandalism. You know my saying, quality over quantity. :) Tiptoety  talk 02:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

truce
I have no intention of any arguments or incidents occuring, between my self and any other user. I am simply here to contribute to Wikipedia, if you have any direct issue with me or my edits please either start a discussion on the appropriate talk page or talk to me directly. I am though not sure I fully understand what you mean by your most recent commnets on my talk page, please feel free to elaborate.--Lucy-marie (talk) 12:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

on IRC
...as requested... TunaSushi (talk) 16:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Vote
Ah, okay. I did edit the article way back, but I decided to leave the campaigning to more interested parties. I'm still following the page, though, and I thought you did a good job on the mediation. I saw an anonymous IP chiming in, so I thought I'd make my opinion known as well. No harm done. Redrocket (talk) 04:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

24 Articles
I can, but it will have to be tomorrow. I'm about to log out and hit the bed. Work comes in less than 7 hours. --MiB-24 (talk) 05:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. We can discuss it tonight. I'm about to leave for work and they don't like us on Wikipedia from there. --MiB-24 (talk) 12:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Steve, what did you want to talk about? I'll be checking in now and then for the rest of the night as I work on a paper. --MiB-24 (talk) 00:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

On the case? Well, you already know what I think of Lucy and her attitude although I consider that to be the heart of the case. Anyway, since that is not what you want to know about, I won’t say anything else.

So, my opinion. I do not think all of these pages should be merged on a whim and the way it has been done in the past goes against the essence of this site. Tag page, 12-24 hours later, merge page before anyone can respond. There needs to be adequate time to discuss if a character is notable to the show itself and then if it is notable outside the show as well. If a character is not overly notable to the show, then it never will be outside of it. However, if a character is notable to the show, especially over multiple seasons, then it is fairly likely that the character is notable outside of it as well.

So, let’s say a character has been decided by the vast majority to not be overly notable to the show (Ronnie Lobell from Season 4 as an example), then he should not have his own page. Now, let’s take Ryan Chappelle. There is no doubt he was notable to the show and only someone who has never seen it would even attempt an argument otherwise. Now, then it can be discussed if he is notable enough outside of the show itself. If the majority agree he is, users can find the necessary sources to back it up.

On to the issue of sources, certain people will try to torpedo every source they can as a backdoor way of getting an article merged/deleted. My reply to the mediator’s first question explains my opinion on valid sources. Most people have things to do outside of Wikipedia and cannot find sources overnight. Time needs to be given to the editors and patience needs to be exercised by the merger fanatics. Wikipedia will not implode because the merger/deletion demands don’t go through within a day.

As for the characters specifically listed on the mediation page.


 * Phillip Bauer‎, Mike Doyle, Lynn McGill‎, and Victor Drazen- No opinion. I’ve only seen Season 1 once and never watched much of Season 6.  McGill was in S5, but I don’t find him important, but others might have reasons why he is.  I’ll leave these characters to those who know enough about them to argue their respective positions.


 * Chase Edmunds, Martha Logan‎, Ryan Chappelle‎, Nadia Yassir, and Edgar Stiles- Keep. All were notable in the show and are in the real world.  Nadia has been dealt with; Martha Logan is similar as Jean Smart has been nominated for Emmy Awards, twice, for the role.  Edgar is notable, a ton of articles about him during Seasons 4 and 5 can be found.  Chappelle was a little harder, but I found four sources and consider him notable.

I got dragged into this because Lucy wanted to merge nearly every character page. (Fact, not attack.) I never supported the notion of every character (even those on screen for 2 seconds) of having their own page despite what has been suggested. If a user believes a page should be merged and yet others do not, they need to be given a fair amount of time to improve the article and the merger supporter needs to exercise a bit of patience; that is all I have ever said. --MiB-24 (talk) 06:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I see your view here. I'll wait until the case has fully opened to discussion, you will see my POV there. I'd say it here, but I don't want my comments to be used out of context here. There is #Steve though, my IRC channel. But I won't, as a mediator myself, tolerate personal attacks. From anyone, betweeen anyone. Cheers, Steve Crossin (talk) 06:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I try very hard not to launch personal attacks. However, pointing out what someone has said or done in the past, I do not consider a personal attack. --MiB-24 (talk) 07:09, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I know you weren't launching a personal attack. And you weren't. I was just stating that I don't tolerate them :) I'm on my IRC channel by the way. Steve Crossin (talk) 07:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
So, do I just add articles onto your desk for cleanup?--Lan Di (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Shamrock, Texas
Steve, since you seem interested and good at moderating disputes, I've notices that over a couple weeks, there has been an edit war building on the small article Shamrock, Texas. I have no idea how to proceed. One person is added referenced comments about the growing drug trade in the town, and another keeps deleting them. Both claim the other is vandalizing :). There are others, as I see another person just made a revert, but mainly it's only two people.

I am not sure what to recommend, and I cannot determine whether or not the criticism is valid or not. It certainly is sourced, with plenty of newspaper data and such. What thinkest thou? &#xE2E1; Berg   Drop a Line ޗ pls  00:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * lol, I see that the one user went behind the other user's back and had the page semi-protected against unregistered users (the one person in the debate was only an IP).  &#xE2E1;  Berg   Drop a Line ޗ pls  00:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

You are "mediating an Israel-Palestine dispute"?? lol... that shouldn't take you too long ;)  &#xE2E1;  Berg   Drop a Line ޗ pls  01:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I am not at all that familiar with your "system" of politics here so, please forgive me if I "cross over" some imaginary "line" that is not very clearly drawn for me to see. My question is as follows:

In the "Harassment will not be tolerated" statement that was sent me, I had put forth my OPINION that, just pehaps, the representatives of local media in Shamrock Texas would be forced to resort to hiring individuals to aid us in the correction of the vandalism of our city references as shown on you site.

Could some kind-hearted individual PLEASE take the time to explain to me just exactly how this can be considered any more "harrassing" than the constant deletion of information that is extremely pertinent to our community and that has been verified by many numerous governmental and media sources?

I'm NOT trying to be a "pain" but, the information sincerely is a "part of the community" and, as do many who live here, we feel that it is our only "claim to fame" in the world. (The Rick Roach drug conspiracy was the first and only time Shamrock was ever mentioned in the New York Times.)

Why can these vital (and documented) facts not be left to stand? Are you so selective that you only want your own version of the "facts" available? If that is the case, I need to approach our town council about having you remove the Shamrock Texas page altogether.

Can someone please explain this to me? It is all I ask. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.143.152 (talk) 03:01, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that I have brought this dispute to your page anyway inadvertently :). FYI This issue has been 'settled' by a couple experienced wikipedians and so really does not need any more discussion.  Feel free to ignore, if you chose.   &#xE2E1;  Berg   Drop a Line ޗ pls  03:12, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

South African Patriot
Steve. Many thanks for yur help re South African Patriot. I am very concerned that this page has suddenly been deleted without discussion by administrator JzG on the pretext that "this article is a pile of manure". Please can you look into this? I have already left a message on JzG's user page.Mark Hasker (talk) 09:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Second Intifada
Hi Steve. Thanks for notifying me of the RfM case about the Second Intifada. I'm not really involved in the case, although I have indeed participated in that particular discussion in the Second Intifada article by giving my 2 cents. For the record, I am not involved in any dispute with any of the editors in the case, and hold it as low priority. However, I will, again, give my 2 cents on the issue if necessary. On a side note, you might want to add the admin User:PhilKnight (a.k.a. Addhoc), who is not involved in the article's dispute itself, but caused controversy when he proposed a one-week topic ban for just one side of the dispute (User:Jaakobou) on WP:AE. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for notifying me about this too. To be honest I have no idea how the mediation process works or what I should or shouldn't do in respect of one, or how involved I actually want to get in mediation over one word. I pretty much set out what my own views are on the article talk page, and others have provided more detailed sources for the debate. I don't see a problem with using this one word in the way it is currently used in the intro, and people objecting to it are simply wrong when they say that the word is inherently biased, or that the intro doesn't cover alternative points of view. Oh and I'm sure people will pick me up for saying this again, but some of those involved in the debate don't have English as a first language - I'm sorry but this is surely significant when debating this sort of issue. --Nickhh (talk) 12:13, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Sceptre would like to nominate you for adminship!
 Sceptre would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Sceptre to accept or decline the nomination. A page for your nomination at Requests for adminship/ . If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

I chose to decline, I'm just not ready for Adminship yet. But thanks anyway. Steve Crossin 13:04, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good move, finish your admin coaching first so that you will pass with a 100%. Tiptoety  talk 05:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've made it quite clear that I won't accept any nominations unless it comes from my admin coach. I was a tad irritated to be honest. Also, this is deadlocked. What do you think I should do next? Steve Crossin (talk to me) 05:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy crap, uhh... I would have to dedicate an hour to reading all of that before I would be able to make any good suggestions, and to be honest I dont have an hour. If I find some free time I would be happy to help. Tiptoety  talk 05:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * 100%? I highly doubt that. Steve Crossin (talk to me) 05:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You never know. :P Tiptoety  talk 05:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Happy Easter!
   Open your card >> >> >>  Happy easter you guys! Have a nice day. Not to much chocolate. :P  <font color="White">Sunder land <font color="White">06   05:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC) Credits: This card was inspired by BoL

Recovery template
This is the general wording I was telling you about Template:User recovery. It really for things like comparing a new version to an old one, or where there was a bot-tagged deletion (like images), or non-notable CSD deletion.  MBisanz  talk 21:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks.  κaτa<span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">ʟ aveno TC 02:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh... thx again . Isn't huggle great? I used WP:VandalProof for a long time and it was really nice but huggle is so fast... and less buggy I must say...  BTW - you going for a new one month edit record? :-o  κaτa<span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">ʟ aveno  TC 03:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what the record is but I have seen many edit count pages generated here and I have never seen a one month tally as high as yours. I don't know whether to say "congrats" or "did someone chain you to your computer?"  Either way, great work on WP and the vandal fighting!  κaτa<span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">ʟ aveno  TC 03:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh! That was nice of you... thanks for the Barnstar!  Can I return the kindness?

sorry.

Amino acid change
Hi... sorry, didn't know that that was not a typo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.209.151 (talk) 04:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Question about vandalism re: Fruit of Islam
Hi Steve,

I recently deleted some portions of the Fruit of Islam article that I thought were inappropriate for wikipedia. I thought the sections were inappropriate because they contained tangential information and were NPOV. My first edit was reverted by a bot, and you reverted the second one and notified me I may have committed vandalism. How should I proceed from here? What is the appropriate procedure to take when I believe that an article contains material not germane, nor appropriate to its title?

Thanks very much,

Dudepal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dudepal (talk • contribs) 05:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Nogoodblu (talk) 06:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Brian Thomas Bowden(Social Entrepreneur)
Mr. Crossin, while I respect Wikipedia's criteria for Notability and Deletion, I would like a little more time to construct this page. Thank you in advance for your consideration of this subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nogoodblu (talk • contribs) 05:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC) Will do, and thank you again.

Spore mediation
I showed up to the article to try to offer an outside opinion. The discussion quickly degenerated. I know the mediation is non-binding, but I have a few important thoughts to contribute, and believe I can be helpful. Is it possible to participate? Randomran (talk) 14:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we're going to run into another problem. I hate to seem like an obstacle. To summarize, most people seem pretty flexible on displaying multiple genres, except JAF1970 who will only accept "see below" or "God game" by itself. On the other hand, most people are comfortable with "see below" by itself, except myself because I think it's important to have *some* kind of summary in the infobox. I don't think I'm being unreasonable, and I'm willing to be flexible otherwise. I think some kind of summary in the infobox is a pretty easy requirement to meet, and important for the quality of the article. Randomran (talk) 21:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Strucutred Finance
The structured finance things, needs to be more strucutred...

You can not list ASB, MBS in the same list..as MBS is part of ASB

Same CDO and CBO.. CBOs are part of CDOs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.183.147.134 (talk) 15:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

central europe
Who told you? I don't see a link from your talk page.Marc KJH (talk) 19:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I was asked privately via IRC. Any user who asks me for assistance, in any means, I will help them. However, and I want to make this perfectly clear, I do not and will not take sides. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="green">Steve Crossin (talk to me) 19:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, now go there and moderate. See his problem of understanding. Marc KJH (talk) 19:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I would kindly ask you do not give me orders. And please try to remain cool. Cheers. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="green">Steve Crossin (talk to me) 19:19, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

 * Just FYI the user who gave you this barnstar was blocked indef. Tiptoety  talk 17:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll strike it from my awards page. <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="green">Steve Crossin (talk to me) 17:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably best. And I was actually just looking at your userpage, it beats mine by a mile! Nice work! Tiptoety  talk 17:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I removed the barnstar. I have 11k edits now as well :) And theres a link in by userboxes to my wifes page. Shes on Wikipedia now as well :) MedCab is keeping me very busy. What about you? <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="green">Steve Crossin (talk to me) 17:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Very nice. Nice to see your wife here, she is very pretty. And trust me, that MedCab stuff pays off during an RfA, it looks really good. Me? Oh, not much, same old same old. I got a new adoptee though. Tiptoety  talk 17:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Heh, youre like the 5000th person to say that ;) This case seems to be drawing to a close, and it seems I'm doing OK for now :) I'm doing work at AFC when I can as well, I just accepted one article a few minutes ago. I'm trying to broaden out a bit. Now, I just need to write some articles :P. You think I could adopt? xD <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="green">Steve Crossin (talk to me) 17:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, working in different areas of the project really helps out as well. And yes, I would say that you are experienced enough to adopt. Tiptoety  talk 17:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I added myself to the adopter list (I have added the userbox to my page. Do you know of anyone who needs an adopter? I try to work everywhere. Having a broad range of experience can help me in an RFA <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="green">Steve Crossin (talk to me) 18:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There are a ton, take a look here. Tiptoety  talk 18:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I had a quick look. I just have to see one that has requested adoption recentlyish, and find one that has edited recently. Won't take too long, I just use popups and hover over their name. Popups are great :D <font face="Lucida Calligraphy" color="green">Steve Crossin (talk to me) 18:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good luck with that. Let me know if you need any help. Tiptoety  talk 18:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible Vandal
Could you please take a look at the page on Reiko Aylesworth. This anonymous user is continually adding inaccurate information and refuses to stop, even after being warned. He even has threatened to call an admin to back up his edits even though they are inaccurate. Thanks --MiB-24 (talk) 23:42, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. My purpose for telling him to call an admin was because I knew he wouldn't and if he did, the admin would stop him. What is going on is he is thinking that because one of Chicago's hospitals also has the name of another town, she must have been born there. He also altered the quote from IMDB to back himself up. It actually says "She and her "24" (2001) co-star and on-screen husband Carlos Bernard, were both born in Chicago's Evanston Hospital, nearly 10 years apart." I can provide as many sources (articles, interviews, etc) as needed to back up that she was born in Chicago, not Evanston. --MiB-24 (talk) 00:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I’ve added two sources, USA Today and the Chicago Tribune. I doubt anyone can claim they’re not reputable sources. Always, thanks for your help. :-) --MiB-24 (talk) 00:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Now someone else is reverting the page despite the sources I've added. He is once again using IMDB (or articles that cite IMDB) as a source so I assume it is the same person, this time using their account and not anonymously. I do not want to get into an edit war, but this person just won't give up. His only source is IMDB which is not reputable. I'm sure though he'll manage to win again just like last time. It is impossible to ever do anything here because of people like this. --MiB-24 (talk) 01:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank You. If he wants to change it, then he needs to find something that does not cite back to IMDB which is what both of his sources do. Mine both said "Chicago" and are from reputable newspapers. --MiB-24 (talk) 01:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I’m probably going to leave Wikipedia for the third time and last time. I am sick and tired of people who can game the system to their own ends. I don’t see the point in wasting my time when every edit I make is torpedoed by users who want to advance their own agenda and ruin page after page that I’ve tried to improve. When IMDB is used as a valid source and USA Today and the Chicago Tribune are not, then there is no hope for this place. MJurrage has run over me every time I try to edit a page, even with I use valid sources. I just don’t get why some people are allowed to run over other users while others get banned the instant they cross these protected people. --MiB-24 (talk) 03:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)