User talk:Steven Walling/Archive 20

Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Haymarket affair/1
I have asked at Good article reassessment/Haymarket affair/1 for review of the good article status you gave to Haymarket affair at Talk:Haymarket_affair/Archive_3. I'm sure you are aware of the controversy surrounding this article. I will review the discussion at Talk:Haymarket_affair/Archive_3#Good_article_nomination_on_hold and notify the numerous wikiprojects listed on the talk page. User:Fred Bauder Talk 15:36, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

File:The Turquoise Lament.jpg
I just wanted to let you know that I have had to delete the above image that you uploaded. It was brought to my attention that the image comes from another website. Although we don't consider an additional copyright on images that are faithful reproductions (i.e. Amazon thumbnails) of the cover, this was a posed photograph of the entire book. For this reason it fails the reproducibility requirement of WP:FUR (i.e. someone could make a free version of the image if they had access to the book). My apologies if this is in fact an image you created yourself. --Errant (chat!) 11:56, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue One - Recent news from the Teahouse
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Reminder! Women's History Month edit-a-thon
Just a friendly reminder about the Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon for Women's History Month :)

Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 from 1:00 PM to 5:00 PM (PT)

Location: Wikimedia Foundation Offices 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th floor San Francisco, CA 94105

Bring: Your laptop and charger (we'll have some extra computers available), your questions, and your friends!

What to expect: A fun, laid-back environment with food, drink, a great mix of people, and a wealth of knowledge and resources.

Public transport: BART to Montgomery station and walk 1 block down New Montgomery St.

Reminder: The St. Patricks Day parade will be starting at 11:30 on Market Street. Market street will most likely be closed to cars so please plan your journey accordingly ;-)

When you arrive: A volunteer will be at the front of the building to greet everyone arriving 12:40 - 1:20. You will take the elevator up to the 6th floor.

If you are early: If you expect to come earlier than 12:40 to help set-up, please let us know, so we can give you a contact number.

If you arrive later: No problem. There will be a phone number posted to the front door of the office building. A volunteer will run down and let you in.

We can't wait to see you on Saturday! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hello Steven, I am sending this message to editors who signed up for the Women's History Month Edit-a-thon. Please help spread the word. HighBeam Research--an online, pay-for-use search engine for newspapers, magazines, academic journals, newswires, trade magazines and encyclopedias has agreed to give free, full-access, 1-year accounts for up to 1000 Wikipedia editors to use. HighBeam has access to over 80 million articles from 6,500 publications, most of which are not available for free elsewhere on the internet. Aside from a free 7-day trial (credit card required), access to HighBeam would cost $30 per month or $200 per year for the first year and $300 for subsequent years, so this is a wonderful, free, no-strings-attached opportunity. To qualify, editors must have at least a 1 year-old account with 1000 edits. Please add your name to the WP:HighBeam/Applications account sign-up page if you are interested.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  18:43, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Oy, you.
Thank you for the welcome.  — Isarra (talk)  20:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Dan Leno GA request
Hi Steven hope your well. I currently have the above up for GAC having worked on it for the last few months. Leno has recieved a extensive PR and my intensions are to take it to FAC. I see from the reviewers list that theatre and performing are listed as two of your interests so feel this will be right up your street! Could you oblige with a quick review? -- Cassianto (talk) 21:32, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Obrigada
Thank you for the barnstar :)

Just want you to know that you played an instrumental role in my becoming a Wikipedian, and I'm eternally grateful for it. Even if we sometimes disagree on the inclusionist/deletionist split :) I'll always look up to your amazing contributions to the sum of all human knowledge. You rock. Accedie talk to me  01:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

In response to your message
Hello Steven! Thank you for letting me know about my mistakes. I am new to Wikipedia and was not aware of that. I will continue trying to make improvements though! danni1125 (talk) 18:07, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Bedonk a donks...
Hi Steven. On the donkey article, you might want to look at the diffs of Dana boomer's last edit prior to the extensive work JLAN did to create the present version. Dana was working on this article quite a bit until JLAN stepped in (and well, me too, as I have concerns about JLAN). At that point, Dana stepped out. You might want to look at the work she did and see what can be restored and salvaged. Because I filed an ANI on JLAN due to his involvement on Donkey, Burro and Large Black (pig), I hesitate to do much content work on the donkey article myself. But if others see useful edits, well, just to draw your attention to Dana's work. Montanabw (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't precisely understand what this editor is up to, or what the problem is. I see some edits that look vaguely okay, but then I also see you had to revert them because they removed citations and cited content with no backing sources. Is it just that this user is wikistalking Dana still? (I have caught up on the last ANI thread BTW, and I think Worm's recommendations to all still should be given close attention by all...) Steven Walling &bull;  talk   22:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, same guy. Long, long history with that editor at WPEQ, not only with me & Dana, though I tend to take point when we get these sorts showing up, (why he is so mean to Dana is a mystery to me other than I suspect he has issues with women in general, but I cannot suss out motives).  No recent problems on this article since said editor's last spat with SMC, but I'm not the best one to be going into this particular article due to the ANI and past history, and if I make massive changes, it will just be fat on the fire with this user, whose issues with me are obvious (see ridiculous discussion over  feeding straw).  But the article does need improvement, and while the other editor did add some useful material (some of the reorganization probably works as well as what was before, and his pointing out errors in using "filly/colt" lingo was probably correct, even if his tone was so aggravating that I got pissed just on principle) but also messed up a bunch of things (material in nutrition section was problematic, stuff on US history evidences not having a clear understanding of US history) But all that aside, point is, Dana did a BUNCH of sandboxing on it prior to moving her edits over, she clearly was starting to move it toward GA, but when said other editor began working on the same article, he changed a bunch of things, much with dubious sourcing to a book no one else has access to, and threw a huge chunk of Dana's carefully researched history section, and she has stepped back from the conflict. (diff to Dana's last "clean" version here)  So, if you think some or much of her work from December should be restored, I'm for it.  I'm also willing to keep eyes on the article, offer opinions, suggestions and small edits to all.  But I'm not the one to lead this improvement effort.  And I won't kick if you merge the jenny article, either.   Montanabw (talk) 17:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Tackling disambiguation links
Not sure if adding sections to "talk" page is best way to reply to you, or if wikipedia has any sort of IM system? x3

In any event, yeah I just noticed the Project Glass -> Siri link due to browsing the topic. But on the topic of fixing disambiguation links broadly, is this something anyone has built automated support for?

For example, a bot which scans looking for links to disambiguation pages, displays them for editors to decide which second-level link is appropriate, and then fixes the link in-situ? Or is the modus operandi to visit pages and plow through edits by hand? A quick scan over the project page didn't clarify that bit for me.

Put simply, if you've got a "which of these links is the right one?" flashcard webapp, I could put some time into using it. If you don't, but there are good 'bot building blocks out there, I could guage how hard such a beast would be to make. What's the state of this presently?

Danke Steven, haff gud tay. :3 JesseT77 (talk) 00:49, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Two
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Thank you for the welcome!
Thanks, Steven. I was a bit unsure of website citations - and didn't find an example of a 'good' url citation on the Help:citations page (just a bad one!). Let me know if the addition I made to the Beatrix Potter page is appropriate.--Anasuyas (talk) 02:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for noticing; I hadn't noticed myself until you mentioned it. Anjwalker  Talk 08:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

openpicus review
Thanks Steven, I added external references (mainly postscapes that is quite relevant) I've removed the component picture from the article. Shall I remove it from Commons?

Image deleted, I will contact the guys and tell them they shall release some CC content (images) to be used on wikipedia.

Also, I removed the warnings since I've added other sources! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simone Cicero (talk • contribs) 10:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Wikimania Admin panel
Hello Steven Walling,

call ducks
This drake is one my two ducks. We also expect their ducklings in three weeks.. Cheers, Jernej — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bartol666 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Hi, Steven. I am new to Wikipedia, so I don't know whether this is the right way to answer to your message. Anyway, enjoy the nice cat.

Regarding my Skype's edit, their "blog" seems to be the single offcial site where they "explain" the new features of new versions. And in the forum url, it's some staff which explains that automatic updates cannot be disabled. Who else could better know about an automatic defect (even if they want to include it amongst the list of "features") of a program than the manufacturer ifself?

Anyway, thank you very much for you attention and recommendation, which I will try to remember in the future.

Best regards,

- José, now Pawiko

Pawiko (talk) 02:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC) 

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hey how do i do a search for these tags:

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 * hahahahaha I just found out how im an idiot

The Indelible Barnstar

 * Why thankee sir. :) Steven Walling &bull; talk   22:54, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ouch!  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  00:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Boran cattle
Hi, thanks for your help. I didn't want to make any edits that were too big since the two sources I snagged seemed to offer different ideas of their history. I think I just need to find some more sources and figure out what happened one. One source mentions Europeans, while another just Ethiopians. If you have any other material I could use to source, that'd be great. Yaminator  talk 01:00, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll try to find more sources to help us reconcile the ones already there. Thanks for getting back to me. :) Steven Walling &bull; talk   19:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Super! I did a few searches in Google Scholar and a lot of the papers I retrieved were mostly grounded in the natural sciences, especially medicine, mentioning a certain type of disease. I'm not very familiar with cattle diseases at all, so I fear it went right over my head. (If you know anything about them, it'd likely be a very useful thing to add seeing as how often it's cited. Titles include things like "Susceptibility of N'Dama and Boran cattle to tsetse-transmitted primary and rechallenge infections with a homologous serodeme of Trypanosoma congolense"). I'll try looking into some Social Sciences databases and see if I can find anything of use. And if it helps, the two books I cited were on google books. So everything on the page is accessible online, which should help in cross-checking. Thanks again for your help! :) Yaminator  talk 21:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary
Wishing Steven Walling a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 18:53, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi Steven,

Thank you for the welcome. I appreaciate it. I will certainly be in touch if I need any help or have questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.63.231.48 (talk) 19:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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Re:Taxobox
No problem! Nice article, keep it up! Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Watchlist style changes
Um, you just changed it back to bold for everyone. Was this intentional? --Yair rand (talk) 22:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't see that he included the bolding in the rev that I reverted to. I will fix it to the previous version now that I posted on the VPT. Steven Walling &bull; talk   22:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That bit of styling you just removed had nothing to do with the watchlist bolding... --Yair rand (talk) 22:24, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The bolding was not done by a CSS change, it was done by a change to the MW configuration. Part of the styling added by Edokter removed the bolding. --Yair rand (talk) 22:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well shit. That's what I get for trying to boldly revert a bold change that was too bold. I am happy to self-revert any portion if it's mucking with other things. Steven Walling &bull; talk   22:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That went well :) User Acceptance Testing - the key to a successful implementation. I do this stuff for a living and, OK, I don't have global users, but it really is unacceptable to be testing in a live environment. You need a test environment and a pool of testers (who are not the developers) who will quickly filter out the 'this gives me a migraine' changes. And you need better comms. Get someone to code a bot to put notices around. Use the Signpost. Use any comms tools you can. Everyone always complains when things change, and I know half the users (probably more like 90% here) would never notice any discussion, but even most of the people who hang around the technical areas didn't know this was coming. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, and you're already quietly throttling the developers, but y'know :) --Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:43, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To be clear: to my knowledge the configuration change was not a WMF initiative, and my revert was definitely not a work-related thing. And yes, I agree about testing environments and communications, though I think Erwin was acting totally in good faith and not trying to slip anything under the radar. I think it's good for community members to be bold (even more so than staff in their work environment), but applying BRD here would mean the change needs to be reverted for now. Steven Walling • talk   22:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Bold editing of an article is fine. Bold messing with the interface without warning is terribly disruptive to a lot of people. WP:BRD is just an essay, and I cannot think that it was ever imagined anyone would try applying it to the user interface. Look at the various policies that have arisen on automated, semi-automated and general 100mph editing - the consensus is shifting to a view that there has to be a consensus before the run of editing - either a specific bot approval, a request for the action, or a general consensus like the AWB general fixes. I think there is actually a danger in allowing even Erwin (who does really good shit man) to make sudden and unexpected changes, that the community will become even more suspicious of "developers" (and I don't think they distinguish between paid staff and volunteers here). That's my two penn'orth anyway.  It's a bit of a storm in a latte in this case, but it's worth bearing in mind. Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Old, old account
My account, Gary_Johnston, has no email address associated with it. I get the following error message:

Reset password There is no e-mail address recorded for user "Gary Johnston". Complete this form to receive an e-mail reminder of your account details. Username:

Well and good, but with no email address for the account, I am in sort of a limbo world since email addresses are required for just about everything on wiki.

Please help. What can I do short of creating an entirely new account, which I do not want to do.

/gj/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.143.250.30 (talk) 21:16, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Replied on your talk. <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   04:27, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Scottdelaney1067
Hey VanTucky, It's been almost 5 years since you first welcomed me to Wikipedia! I don't think we've directly interacted since then, but I did realize some years ago that you're now Steven Walling (well, I guess you always were, but you know what I mean) and are working for the Foundation. So, belated congratulations to you. Thanks for the advice you gave Scott at User talk:Scottdelaney1067. Dennis Brown and I have been trying to rein him in a bit, but I don't know how effective we've been. Hopefully input from other editors will help him get the message. He has enthusiasm and the potential to be a valuable editor, but still seems a little too gung-ho – Dennis and I have expressed the concern that he'll run up against someone who'll bite back at him hard. I responded to your message to him on his talk page with a suggestion of possibly getting a mentor at WP:CVUA. Perhaps you could help keep an eye on him. Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 16:41, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the congrats, and glad you remember the welcome. :) I will be sure to check in with Scott. <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   04:35, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Craig Thomson affair‎
Just a heads up you might get some flak for your semi-prot as there's been edit warring on the part of established editors too. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  06:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If folks want to contest it that's okay with me. Checking the history, all I can see is an IP edit warring to remove cited content. People can quibble about whether that's vandalism or a legit content dispute that should be resolve through DR bureaucracy, but I'm not personally interested in the subject, just trying to resolve the WP:RFP request. ;-) <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   07:02, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Steven, can you please restore my last edit to the article and then re-lock it? The subject of the article has been subject to an extremely vicious smear campaign by and in the Australian media; my last edit sheds some light on that fact. User Skyring alias Pete has repeatedly baited other editors, inserted edits with a biased POV, removed any edits or sources which suggest that the article's subject should be presumed innocent until proven guilty by a court, and has been maliciously editing the article. (And yes; I am sure the same will be said of me by him, but that's how it goes). 121.216.230.139 (talk) 07:12, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment, and for participating. However, from what I can see, the edit involved a primary source which is contested on the article's talk page. It's not my place to decide that dispute. <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   07:17, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. Given the above, can the article please be listed for speedy deletion as an attack page? 121.216.230.139 (talk) 07:42, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Ping!
See Talk:Horse rings in Portland. I don't have the time to do the research, but interesting and cool topic. Montanabw (talk) 17:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Four
Hi! Welcome to the fourth issue of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter for the Teahouse!


 * Teahouse pilot wraps up after 13 weeks After being piloted on English Wikipedia starting in February, the Teahouse wrapped up its pilot period on May 27, 2012. We expect this is just the beginning for the Teahouse and hope the project will continue to grow in the months to come!

Thank you and congratulations to all of the community members who participated - and continue to participate!


 * What you've all been waiting for: Teahouse Pilot Report is released! We look forward to your feedback on the methodology and outcomes of this pilot project.
 * ....and if a pilot report wasn't enough, the Teahouse Pilot Metrics Report is out too! Dive into the numbers and survey results to learn about the impact the Teahouse has made on English Wikipedia.
 * Teahouse shows positive impact on new editor retention and engagement
 * 409 new editors participated during the entire pilot period, with about 40 new editors participating in the Teahouse per week.
 * Two weeks after participating, 33% of Teahouse guests are still active on Wikipedia, as opposed to 11% of a similar control group.
 * New editors who participated in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles, make 7x more global edits, and 2x as much of their content survives on Wikipedia compared to the control group.


 * Women participate in the Teahouse 28% of Teahouse participants were women, up from 9% of editors on Wikipedia in general, good news for this project which aimed to have impact on the gender gap too - but still lots to be done here!
 * New opportunities await for the Teahouse in phase two as the Teahouse team and Wikipedia community examine ways to improve, scale, and sustain the project. Opportunities for future work include:
 * Automating or semi-automating systems such as invites, metrics and archiving
 * Experimenting with more ways for new editors to discover the Teahouse
 * Building out the social and peer-to-peer aspects further, including exploring ways to make answering questions easier, creating more ways for new editors to help each other and for all participants to acknowledge each other's efforts
 * Growing volunteer capacity, continuing to transfer Teahouse administration tasks to volunteers whenever possible, and looking for new ways to make maintenance and participation easier for everyone.

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SF Article Review Party! Fun times (and food) for all.
Hi, Steven! Just wanted to let you know the Education Program team is hosting an Article Review Party at the SF Wikimedia Foundation office on Sunday, June 24th (from 11ish–3ish). We'll provide food, drinks, music, and laughter. You just provide your brilliant mind and acute eye for reviewing articles. If you can spare an hour or two, please sign up and join us on this mirthful occasion. Hope to see you there! JMathewson (WMF) (talk) 18:26, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Electronic cigs...
Given the sprot (which I agree with completely) I thought I would just mention that I have started reviewing the Commons images for this category. I'm finding a number of single account offerings which look a little suspicious to me - if there is anything cross wiki I'll let folk know. Cheers -- Herby talk thyme 08:39, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's likely it's like the pr0n situation: folks quickly realize that if they license correctly they can give us a glut of photos of a product. <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   23:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks!
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Ping
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July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Wikipedia pages
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Wikimania
I was superexcited to meet you in D.C., and you are even more dashing in person than you are in your photos. The guy who does nothing but wake up and fix comma splices is my hero, too. --<font color="336699" size="2" face="comic sans ms">David <font color="336699" size="2" face="comic sans ms">Shankbone  02:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)


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Misuse of Talk page while being blocked
Please check out the insulting comments by this blocked user. -- D Big X ray  07:07, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
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Protection
Steven, do you want your user and Talk pages protected ? Not quite sure why Ryan is asking for you, not to mention the fact that you could do it yourself (I know other admins do it).--Bbb23 (talk) 12:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks to both you and Ryan for paying attention. I'm back online all day, so I'll keep an eye out and will self-apply protection if needs be. <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   17:26, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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glyphosate
oh man you just cost me a ton of work due to conflicting edits. i see you are starting to work on this so i will stop now. enjoy! Jytdog (talk) 23:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)


 * it's OK knock yourself out I should go do something else for a while, like ride my bike. :) Jytdog (talk) 23:34, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for feedback on Brooklyn Fair!
Steven - thank you so much for your feedback!! I am looking for other sources. How many should I find so that the "This article needs additional citations for verification" box can be removed?

This is the first page I created, so bear with me! Kdemarino (talk) 02:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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I mentioned one of your Wikimania talks ...
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 * Will do. Thanks for the heads up! <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   17:53, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Toxic gumbo
Hi, Steven! I noticed you waded into the toxic gumbo mess today. I know how much you know about its prior history, but the edit is controversial, and has been reverted by several editors, only to be added back by a decidedly uncivil IP. There's no place for it in the article about this dish; all it discusses is a folk use of the word, and might have a place in the hurricane's article at best. Unfortunately, none of the involved editors started a discussion of the edit, so I've done that now in the hope we can arrive at a civil consensus. DoRD has already semi'd the article once to stop the IP, but we can but hope discussion will help. --Drmargi (talk) 03:27, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Fine Work, Sir!
Keep up the good work! Don't let the busy-bodies slow you down. XO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.102.175.31 (talk) 21:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Poultry template revision
I've had a stab at revising as you suggested. Because of the large differences beween the species used, I thought this was best organised on a 'bird' basis. I have included all the birds in the Poultry article, although some might dispute whether all birds on here should be classified as 'Poultry'. I've tried to arrange the lists in the following order - Species (most common if known), List of breed or species, Family taxon, Uses or products, Housing system,  Welfare,  Other. Let me know what you think. DrChrissy (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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Doesn't anybody listen to OPB besides me?
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Favour viewing template please
Hi Steven. A while ago you suggested we expand the Poultry template. I worked very hard on this and then submitted it for comments. There was only one from an editor, Stemonitis. Prior to this, Stemonitis and I had got close to an edit war over some taxonomic details on Pain in invertebrates (taxonomy is not my specialist subject, but I wanted the article to be clear to the non-taxonomist reader). Anyway, Stemonitis suddenly began editing various articles I started and then made comments on the template, making me feel this had become a vendetta. I made changes to the Poultry template according to comments by Stemonitis and another editor I asked to have a look for an independent opinion. But, this is still apparently not enough and ‎Stemonitis has reverted to the old template which is misleading and inaccurate. Please could you look at the new Poultry template I developed and let me know what you think. All the best. __DrChrissy (talk) 17:01, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey. I sympathize with you about having someone seemingly follow you around. But I'm not sure how the shorter version is inaccurate or misleading. Just incomplete perhaps. <font style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   22:09, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

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I see that you deleted someone's entry that did not have sources. Revision as of 18:38, 3 February 2013 (edit) Mohawkvellum (talk | contribs)

I tried to see if I could contact them--I suspect it is an indigenous person unfamiliar with how to do the sourcing required.

There is a series of a dozen essays from professional scholars and indigenous people that iMediaEthics, an award winning news site that is published by our foundation Art Science Research Laboratory, co-founded with my late husband Stephen Jay Gould that should be suitable and support Mohawkvellum's statement. Since I already am engaged with James Cantor to restore a section on this Jared Diamond bio page that was stable for many years, I fear, if I add anything from this series, of being accused of conflict of interest even though Mondo Times and Google Publisher etc recognize iMediaEthics as a legitimate media business news site.

Can you advise? Here is an example http://www.imediaethics.org/News/170/Rebutting_jared_diamonds_savage_portrait__.php and here http://www.imediaethics.org/News/152/The_new_yorker_rsquos_second_crisis_of_conscience__.php. This blog, Savage Minds, is consider authoritative in Pacific anthropology and endorses the Sillitoe, Kuwimb essay as most authoritative on the subject of Diamond's claims about tribal warfare in the New yorker article that led to Diamond being sued.

As I posted on the Talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jared_Diamond, the timing of this deletion of an entire section, in perception or reality, is suspect as it occurred on the very day Diamond's book pub date. Also with precision, on the same book launch day, the the word "forthcoming" was removed from the front of Diamond's new book title as if intimately part of the launch.

A Tiggarjay commented from a notice board that he would help "sort things out" but I am left with dealing with Cantor on my own with no feedback? I am inexperienced with conventions or battles (I see Cantor is very familiar ). I would really appreciate some help and advice? Thank you.

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Jat Airways semi-protection request
I think the only reason I was declined the request to have the article on Jat Airways semi-protected was because your were less familiar with the airline and other variables regarding it--I'm sure if you were familiar with the basics on Airbus's delivery queue, you would recognize that the IP edits are basically trying to exaggerate the airline's orders of new aircraft. If you look at the edits of IP 92.60.225.228 (see below line 152 upon clicking the link you posted) that you posted when you declined the request, it can be seen that he has not only deleted my correct references and added false ones (e.g. the Bhutan Air reference), but he/she changes the ATR-72-500 order to ATR-72-600, and likewise from Airbus A319 to Airbus A319E w/sharklets, Airbus A320 to Airbus A320neo, etc (see the fleet section if you are interested in reconsidering your decision). In the references that I put, the airline is only leasing ATR-72-500s as well as regular A319s and A320s. The A320neo and A319E with sharklets are false information because a) in none of the references does it say so, and b) the neo/sharklet versions are recently announced models and the queue for orders of the type are so occupied that even if Jat were to order them now, they would never come before 2017 at the very earliest; as you can see in the article's fleet section, the IP editors claim that such models are being delivered in 2015, and of course they put this in place of a reference I put that was once there. All I ask for, if it still seems impossible to see that the IP users are vandalizing (including deleting my references and replacing them with off-topic ones), is whether it's okay for me to send another request for the sake of not trying to get into an edit conflict with them. Zastavafan76 (talk) 17:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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I'm looking to get some informal feedback on an idea related to editor retention and editor recognition, before I try posting something at Village Pump Ideas.

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Congratulations on exporting a tiny bit more American priggishness to a global audience. When you're done celebrating this little victory against potential offensiveness, feel free to do as thorough a job as I foolishly bothered to do in tidying up the loose ends effected by moving the page from where it had errantly lain, seldom remarked upon, for just shy of four years. Anyway, since my efforts are not appreciated, they will no longer be forthcoming. Congratulations once again. LaFoiblesse (talk (but don't really)) 17:41, 15 March 2013 (GMT)


 * You need to keep a civil tone. As you can see from the page history, when you edit something, it goes out in to people's watchlists and typically follow up edits ensue. You did perfectly fine job trying to fix the awkward naming of the article, and my follow up move was not a personal judgement. And by the way, the victory is not over imagined offensiveness, but over unnecessary grammatical complexity. <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   20:34, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

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We really need a better tutorial that newbies can be asked to go through -- the kind that autogenerates a userpage for you at the end based on your completion. That would make this sort of drama harder to conjure up. [regarding: the recent U.Toronto psych class drama] – SJ  +

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 * Ah, thanks for the tip. Will do in the future. I am obviously new to ITN, and it was pretty late here. <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   18:52, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

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Urban coyote

 * Thank you so much Tom! You're too kind. All I did was shuffle some bits around really. <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   01:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

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Your clear conflicts of interest show through on the Warby Parker page. I will take it over. You should avoid editing it going forward unless edits are approved beforehand. Additionally, you should stay very very far from discussing anything relevant to price or marketing which you have clearly emphasized in your copy. Zippypie (talk) 18:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh, sorry. But you can't take over pages, and you can't just go around accusing people of bad faith or conflicts of interest. If there are things you think should be changed in the article, go ahead and change them, or bring them up on the talk page. You don't need to make threats and be a dick. <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   19:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Woah there cowboy, watch the language and be civil. Ad hominem attacks have no place here. I have the page in my watched list and will be monitoring it due to the obvious (and honestly admitted) conflicts of interest admitted by previous editors. I am not making any threats I am simply politely informing you of this beforehand. Additionally, it is bad form to revert verifiable edits which are properly sourced. I hope you will be more civil going forward. Zippypie (talk) 23:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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Steven, this user is not David A. Wiley (I confirmed via email). I've blocked and will revert the rest of the edits. Thanks for catching this! -Pete (talk) 17:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thank for your interest in the Template:History of Christianity and your block to enforce discussion. I did not, however, understand your advice to take my "disputes there... to the Talk page", etc. since that is what I have been doing. tahc chat 18:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Hi Steven,


 * It has been three days since I responded to your comments, and I see that you have been editing other articles even up to today. We aren't going to come to an agreement on these articles if we don't discuss them. If no objections are made over the coming couple days, I think that I would be justified in reverting your bold splits.


 * Neelix (talk) 14:05, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * thanks for the courtesy reminder. I'll reply on the talk page now. <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   18:33, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the poke. Will reply today. :) <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   18:20, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


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 * Oh thanks, dick. <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   19:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Incidentally, if you want your actions to be clearly understood as being taken in a personal capacity, then it might be helpful if you avoid going out of your way to mention that you work for the WMF when explaining them. Like, for example, in your message to me announcing that I had been reverted.

Oh, and for the record, admins are generally encouraged to discuss issues first rather than simply reverting each other. I announced my change at WP:VE/F, and would have been happy to discuss it further, but you felt a need to revert first and then tell me how I was clearly wrong. Frankly, your approach to this issue felt more than a little rude. Dragons flight (talk) 01:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I apologize, sincerely, if you felt slighted or disrespected in any way. Since you didn't mention any discussion in your comment, I could only assume you were being bold as you said, and had not announced/discussed the change beforehand. In the spirit of WP:BRD and because this is a primary action on the edit interface, I do think the right thing to do was to revert for now and discuss the proposal to change it. <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   04:46, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


 * "I could only assume...", except that's not true. You could have asked, or you could have checked what links here on the message, or you could have checked WP:VE/F, or could have checked the bugzilla entry which mentions that there was discussion on VE/F, etc.  Editing the interface at all is "bold", but is seems unreasonable to assume that anyone would change the interface without having a reason for it, which you could have learned with a little effort.


 * On the broader point, I agree that ultimately the right thing to do is have the VE team change the default label, but with hundreds of bugs to work on I didn't imagine something like this was high on their priority list. On the other hand this is one of the few frequently repeated UI complaints that we can locally do something about without having to wait for the VE team.  I would have assumed that enwiki would settle on something, probably with some iteration, and then the VE team would probably copy us.  Personally, I don't see the point of reverting back to a bad interface just to hold a discussion that might hopefully make the interface even better.  We can do these things iteratively.  Dragons flight (talk) 05:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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Maryana is also intrested in the conversion for the active voice level 1 warnings. :) Dr et  h  16:09, 22 December 2013 (UTC)  Dr et  h  16:09, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

A personalized New Year greeting
Hi Steven, Happy New Year! I was delighted to see you at RFPP a few days ago; I'm always happy to see an old name! :) Best. Acalamari 11:46, 1 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Long time no see! Many thanks for the nice message, and a happy new year to you too. I was trying to help out doing admin patrol at RFPP over the holidays, since things can get backed up with more people away. Hope you're doing well? <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   04:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and thanks for the RFPP help. :) Yes, I'm well, too! I'm still quite active around here. Congratulations on the work you do at the Foundation itself! Acalamari 10:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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Banana slug identification?
Hello Steven, I remember you of course. I am not at all expert on the West Coast non-marine fauna, but I would say this handsome beast is indeed a banana slug -- sometimes they are all tan, brown, or tan with darker spots; they don't have to be yellow. However there are actually three species of banana slug, all of them in the genus Ariolimax. Since you were in or near redwood forest by the coast (?) this might possibly be Ariolimax columbianus, but I have to dash off to see someone this morning and will have to look up more info later today or tomorrow. Talk to you later, Invertzoo (talk) 14:29, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Again my guess is Ariolimax columbianus. Supposedly the position of the pneumostome (breathing pore) behind the mid-point of the mantle (the saddle-shaped area) helps to identify this species, but it also may be the case that the three species can't be separated with certainty without dissection of the internal genitalia. How big was this critter? I believe that Ariolimax columbianus is the biggest of the three banana slug species. More info here. Invertzoo (talk) 13:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for investigating this for me! I really do appreciate it. I'll categorize the image accordingly. :) <span style="font-family:Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling &bull; talk   03:42, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure Steven, sorry I could not be more precise on the species level. Invertzoo (talk) 21:13, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Draft cleanup
Sorry I didn't notice your comment before. I've added some reasons to Template:Draft cleanup to make it clearer; perhaps I should just delete the generalized message if no reason is given. Wnt (talk) 20:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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