User talk:Stevenray

Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Cristiano Ronaldo, are considered vandalism. If you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thanks. Vickser 13:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC) Hi Vickser


 * You recently amended an edit I made on the Cristiano Ronaldo page, citing "unconstructive edits, such as those you made to Cristiano Ronaldo, are considered vandalism". I contend that my edit was actually representative of a significant number of the English population, and their perception of Cristiano Ronaldo's character. Enclyclopeadic entries are not confined to tangible factual input but also can be reflective of opinion; especially in relation to a person. I accept that my comment was tongue-in-cheek, but I would argue that it was in no way harmful or detrimental to the validity of the content of the C Ronaldo page, and actually provides insight into the personality of the subject.


 * Stevenray


 * Stevenray, you edited in "Ronaldo is a cheating winker." While I must admit it's a statement I agree with, the edit seemed (and I must admit still seems) like unconstructive vandalism to me.  The constant vandalism on C. Ronaldo and the fact that it was your first contribution made me inclined to consider the edit not of good faith, and I apologize sincerely if I interpreted your actions incorrectly.


 * I must, however, correct the idea that wikipedia should not be confined to tangible factual input. As your new, you may not yet have seen the five pillars of Wikipedia, and I encourage you to do so.  If you click around you'll see that Neutral point of view defines facts as "a piece of information about which there is no serious dispute" and then says that "Wikipedia is devoted to stating facts in the sense as described above."  So, we say Ronaldo's been carded several times in premiership for diving, note that match reports described him as diving, and say that he infamously winked at the bench after Rooney got sent off.  For more information about how to convert normative statements into facts, I encourage you to check out Avoid weasel words.  Thus, having "Ronaldo is a cheating winker" in the article is against wikipedia policy.  If you edited it in out of ignorance of policy, I apologize for thinking it was vandalism.  I must have just edited out "Ronaldo's a gay diver" one too many times . ..


 * Anyway, welcome to Wikipedia, and I hope you'll contribute constructively to articles in the future. I look forward to seeing you around.  Thanks! Vickser 19:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)