User talk:Stfg/Archive 4

2012 GOCE coordinatorship
Hi Stfg! I'd like to express my appreciation for your vote for me during the 2012 GOCE coordinatorship election. During the next 12 months, I will be looking forward to your input on how I can perform my role, so please be brutally honest regarding my actions.

Regards, and have a wonderful new year! --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 01:02, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi sp33dyphil! Thanks for the nice message. I glad you were elected and I'm looking forward to working with you. Happy New Year! Simon. --Stfg (talk) 09:44, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

GOCE 2011 Year-End Report
Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 06:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

EvenWorse Copy Edit
Yeah, you can delete that. Thank you though! :)--Gen. Quon (talk) 01:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Question
Hey there :-) Hope you had a great new years. I nominated Dreaming of You (album) at the GOCE page and it was copy-edited by User:Chaosdruid back in August 2011. I then asked User:Baffle gab1978 to c/e the article back in November 2011. I then submitted it to GAN and the reviewer wants to fail the article because of the prose. He's willing to give it a second chance if someone can c/e the article. So I was wondering if you can be so kind enough to c/e the article while I'll worry about the sourcing? Thanks in advance, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  15:25, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Jona. I wish I could, but I really can't. I took a request like this once before, and others followed, and I came to realise it wouldn't be fair if I take some and not others. So now I only take requests from the requests page. I think Legolas is right, and the article still needs a fairly heavy copy edit. You already have three requests on the requests page, but Amor Prohibido (album) is getting near the top and may be done fairly soon. Your best bet is to wait until one of yours is done and then add a new request. You can mention that the article has had two GOCE edits but still had problems at GAN because of prose, and you can emphasise that it needs an experienced copy editor. Sorry I can't be more help. Best, --Stfg (talk) 19:34, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh its okay, no worries :D BTW how was your new years? Had any fun? Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  02:12, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It was fine, thanks. Very quiet (which is how I like it). Yours? --Stfg (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's nice, did you spend it with family? Mines was okay, didn't get to see my dad's side of the family :( (they changed their numbers errrr) lolz. But I did spent it with my mom and her sister's side of the family which was nice. Best, Jona yo!  Selena 4 ever  17:46, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Advice
For the subspecies sub-section of the giraffe article, should I change the wording from "less than/fewer than [population]" to "around or close to"? I think the "less than" wording works for the subspecies have have population numbering in the hundreds but wording like "less than 40,000 remain" sounds weird. The source gives a < sign after every population number but I would assume that the actual populations would have to be within the ballpark. LittleJerry (talk) 19:47, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a tricky one. I vaguely remember a comment in the last FAC review about it. The "less/fewer" wording slightly implies a worry that the population is falling below survival threshold, doesn't it? So I agree: good for the hundreds, strange for the tens of thousands. But I think you have to stick with the sources and avoid saying anything stronger than what they say. Would something like "up to 40,000" work, do you think? --Stfg (talk) 09:01, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

You're making a lot of good points
... but I don't want to respond to all of them at once, it might come across as dismissive, to you and to anyone participating. It would also lower the chances that we get a productive discussion, I think. So ... it's frustrating, but I'm going to wait for replies and try to respond in some kind of threaded fashion. - Dank (push to talk) 12:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, Dan. This was welling up since I read through that spreadsheet powerpoint presentation, with the populism and the extraordinary equations FA/GA=valuable; not(FA/GA)=stinky :) However you tackle the aftermath, I'll be happy. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 13:08, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't agree with that math, never have. - Dank (push to talk) 13:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello friend
Hey Simon. How are you these days?:) I know that you don't accept copy-edit requests here and everywhere actually, but you know how much I was satisfied with your work on "Rehab". I nominated "Unfaithful (song)" for c/e at GOCE, can you possibly take it and c/e? I would be very very very grateful. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  16:33, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Baffle gab already started to c/e the article. However, when he finishes, can you just check overall and make a quick c/e? Тhanks — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  18:25, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So, let me see if I understand. On 3 January you request Baffle gab to c/e the article. On 7 January he agrees and starts work. And on 8 January, when he has barely begun, you both add the request on the GOCE page and directly request me to do this. How do you expect Baffle gab to feel about that? How do you expect me to feel about being asked to stand over a colleague like that? I've already made clear many times that I don't accept copy edit requests here. No, it's out of the question. --Stfg (talk) 12:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ooops. Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt anybody or make an argue here. I will just skip this conversation and remove "Unfaithful" from c/e requests since Baffle started. Cheers. — Tomica1111  &bull;  Question Existing?  18:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great. Thank you. --Stfg (talk) 18:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Indo-Aryanization
Thanks for the tip on how to flag an article for expert attention. --Greenmaven (talk) 20:17, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem :) --Stfg (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Grammar/copy edit review
Hi. Want to add some fact to My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. Can you check for some grammar or something?


 * Some non-English dubs of the third episode of season one, "The Ticket Master" (and in turn, the opening theme), was bundled as a DVD in some G4 toys released in some region before the official dubs of the full series were premiered in respective region, and is available on some local My Little Pony websites. However, they are generally not related to the official dubs.

JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 12:09, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Before I suggest a revision, there's a difficulty with "dubs", which is jargon. Are you referring to straight copies or remixes? Also, there's a problem with "some G4 toys", "some region" and "some ... websites" -- in each case, it would be reasonable to ask which ones. Do you have a citation I can check in? Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 16:00, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Just realised: does G4 mean Generation 4? If so, note that the article has only introduced generations 1-3 so far (IIRC). --Stfg (talk) 17:57, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, to clarify:
 * "Dub" as in this definition (verb, 1), as explained in the Dubbing (filmmaking) article.
 * For "some G4 toys", according to (I know, they are not reliable, but...) here, some packages of Playful Ponies bundle a DVD of "The Ticket Master". I don't know if Hasbro does the same thing with other G4 packs and those outside USA. And this fan wiki article says "["The Ticket Master"] appears in a promotional DVD distributed by Hasbro in multiple countries, which comes with a small, fully-molded Twilight Sparkle toy. Consequently, many of the show's language dubs were introduced via The Ticket Master, instead of ["Friendship is Magic" (part 1)]."
 * For "some ... websites"... hmm... For example, the MLP website for the French Canadians (separated from European French) and that for Greece (1, 2) have some translated FIM intro and/or the full episode of "The Ticket Master" (GRE), despite FIM hasn't aired in and official translations weren't made for those areas yet. (To avoid confusion, in Canada, the English version is being broadcast on Treehouse TV, and full of the translated first season was broadcast in France.)
 * And lastly, about the translations of "The Ticket Master" in bundled DVDs, I found those ripped from the DVD uploaded on YouTube (HUN, RUS P1, RUS P2), which are different from the versions later premiered on TV. (HUN, RUS)
 * That's all I know. I can't name another cases aside from those, and can't find any reliable source about it either. JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 11:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

OK, I kinda see :) I'm not quite clear about the relationship between G4 body type, wave 4, and the "generations" mentioned in the first paragraph of the "Origin" section of the article. I'll try something, but you'll probably need to hack it around:


 * G4 toys were sold together with unofficial foreign-language versions of "The Ticket Master" (episode 3 of season 1) on DVD in country1,[ref1] country2,[ref2] and country3,[ref3] even before the official versions of the full series were premiered in those countries. They are available on some local My Little Pony websites,[further refs if any] but are generally unrelated to the official versions.

You'll need to have explained "G4" first, and you might want to replace "countries" with "regions". Sorry that this is the best I can do at the moment. I'm going on holiday for a week and am quite busy getting ready for that, so I won't have time for much more until I'm back on Sunday 29th. Best if you put whatever you believe best into the article. It's on my watchlist, so I can check grammar and the like on my return. Best, --Stfg (talk) 13:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


 * All right. Now, I think it's up to User:Masem and User:Hope(N Forever). JSH-alive talk • cont • mail 14:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, Jona. Yes, dog sledding is enormous fun. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 08:30, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Spotchecks
At the FAC, SandyGeorgia is expecting source spotchecks for accuracy in representation of sources and close paraphrasing. I really don't know what to do about this. Is she expecting every source to be compared with the wording in the article. I don't recall such expectations for other animal articles. LittleJerry (talk) 05:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen, sourcing spotchecks are just a random sampling of a few of the sources, rather than a comprehensive trawl through everything that's been cited. GRAPPLE   X  05:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's my understanding of what it's about. LittleJerry, you don't need to do anything proactive here, but just deal with any issues raised by it, as you've been doing.
 * @Grapple, thanks for helping out with this. As I was on holiday, you speeded things up, and I appreciate that. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 08:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Dreamland
Sorry to reply to so late. Yeah, all that was needed was the plot. Thanks!--Gen. Quon (talk) 18:09, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 20:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your work as a reviewer on the GOCE January drive
I have received the barnstars with great pleasure. Best wishes --Greenmaven (talk) 11:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for saying that. Your barnstars were well earned. Best regards, --Stfg (talk) 12:06, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

GOCE January barnstars

 * Thanks, Dianna. --Stfg (talk) 22:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

WindSeeker Copy Edit (reply)
Hi, yes I still do intend it to become a FAC one day and I will be around Wikipedia every now and then. When copy editting, if you need a urgent response, your best bet would be to contact User: Jcgoble3 as he looks at the article more often at this point. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask me and I will respond as fast as I can! --Dom497 (talk) 03:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I will do it. I've messaged jcgoble3 to introduce myself, but in fact I'll put questions on the article's talk page. Best, --Stfg (talk) 10:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I saw your note at Moonriddengirl's talk page
I completely sympathize. I've been moderately active in copyright work in WP for several months now, but only came across Text Copyright Violations 101 recently, and then only because MRG specifically pointed it out to me. I've been looking at some of the entries in Category:Wikipedia copyright and it is simultaneously encouraging that there are so many resources, and discouraging that, well, that there are so many resources (within a less than ideal organizational structure). I proposed to MRG that we do something about this, but exactly what needs a fair bit of thought. At the moment, I'm doubly challenged due to some work commitments and being under the weather, but your note helps convince me that we need an overhaul of the way we organize our copyright info. -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  12:36, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for saying that. I was wondering if I had sounded off a bit too much, and you've reassured me. Perhaps a first step would be some well-thought-out redirects? Best regards, --Stfg (talk) 13:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Following the party, not at all. :) You pointed out a problem that I could fix pretty easily and emphasized one that, alas, we haven't figured out what to do about yet. I wonder if we could do with some kind of copyright landing page:
 * Do you want to know more about copying from one Wikipedia article to another? See link
 * Are you looking for guidance in cleaning up content copied from a print source or website? See link.
 * Maybe that would help gather stuff together? (And I'll try not to lose this thread, but probably will. :/ It's about all I can manage to keep up with my talk page and keep WP:CP from spilling totally out of control, although I can't seem to catch up the backlog completely.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

TSD
About you removing the entry, it's for Potential FAs, of which it is. It's a GAN now, because a user has suggested that, but I'm going to nominate the article for FA soon. Also, could you close the discussion on the talk page? Ebe 123 → report on my contribs. 01:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Why did the user suggest GAN? If it's ready for FAC, you could go for FAC. If it isn't, then it still won't be after you get GA, so you're you're going to need further work to get to FAC -- aren't you? -- and then then you're going to need a further copy edit, surely. Which discussion on which talk page do you want closed? --Stfg (talk) 10:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is (when the vote is closed) a A-class, close to FA, and I was planning to nominate it after a copy-edit. Another user has suggested to nom it for GA first for some reason, but it's still a Potential FA.  I would like the vote for A-class closed.   Ebe 123  → report on my contribs. 10:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * With respect, I think you are confusing the issue. An article can't be trying for all of GA, A-class and FA at the same time. All articles on notable subjects are potential FAs, but that is sophistry.


 * The user who suggested GA did so because WP:MED apparently doesn't recognise A-class, so that project (specifically) would continue to call it B-class; no other reason. Don't worry about that! But you do really need to decide what you are trying to achieve at the moment, and to focus on that. It is an over-use of WP people resources, and may lead people to trip over one another, to try for GAN and A-class and seek a FAC-level copy edit all at the same time. I won't advise which is the best current step for this article, because I don't know; it's up to you. But I won't close the A-class review -- I'm a GOCE coordinator, not a reviewer. Please decide exactly what you want to achieve as your next stage towards your eventual FAC, and then I'll help you navigate our requests pages so that you don't lose out from this. --Stfg (talk) 11:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So I've withdrawn the GAN, closed the A-class review, and I am going to nominate for FA after a copyedit.  Ebe 123  → report on my contribs. 12:01, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Restored to FAC Requests page at its original place in the queue. --Stfg (talk) 12:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Griffith Rutherford
Thanks for copyediting the page. Been waiting a while for it! Rutherford is currently undergoing an A-class review at the moment - any assistance helps! The confusion about Rutherford's birth date was an issue arisen by Kevin Myers, one of the editors evaluating the article. Apparently McDonald refers to this 1721/1731 uncertainty near the beginning of his report. Read the review for more details. Thanks again--(Wikipedian1234 (talk) 04:23, 8 February 2012 (UTC))
 * OK, thanks. In general, if I raise something on the article talk page, it's best to answer there so that the answer is as visible to posterity as the question is. I've added in a reference for 1721/1731, anyway. Best, --Stfg (talk) 11:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:Laundi_College

 * Re:Laundi_College

I think that cópyedit tag is not removed Bulwersator (talk) 14:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was quick! Thanks very much for spotting it and telling me. Best wishes, --Stfg (talk) 14:31, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks (again)
Just wanted to thank you again for your work on Manhunter. I highly doubt I'd ever have gotten it to FA status without the solid copyedit you provided. Cheers! GRAPPLE  X  22:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's very nice of you to say so. Congratulations on achieving FA! --Stfg (talk) 22:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Help with mail-out list
Hi, Simon. I have recently done some work consolidating our mailing list into a central location to facilitate using EdwardsBot for the mail-out of our newsletters. I was wondering if you have time to help update the list by removing any inactive editors? What I was thinking is that anyone who has not edited in a year or longer should be removed from the mailing list. Could you help out by checking the editors from User:1234r00t through User:DrSparticle and removing any inactive editors from the list? Any duplicates can also be removed. If you don't have time please let me know and I will reassign that block. Thanks in advance, -- Dianna (talk) 13:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. No problem. --Stfg (talk) 14:05, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Drive launch instructions
Hi, Stfg. I have prepared some instructions for coordinators to use to launch the copy edit drives and placed it at the bottom of the drive main page. Please read it over when you have time and let me know if there are any questions or if any of the instructions are not clear. This action was prompted by the absence of The Utahraptor, who has not edited since the beginning of February. I am going to try to contact him by email as I am starting to get concerned. --Dianna (talk) 05:02, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Dianna. That's eminently clear. Are you going to add stuff about how to close a drive? The parts you invited me to do were easy, but I think you did some magic with the drive page before we got to that bit.


 * I hope you can discover if The Utahraptor's OK. I'm concerned too. --Stfg (talk) 11:11, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, closing a drive is easy, as one can just follow the example of how the previous one was closed. But I will get that laid down as well, so everything is totally clear for future editors. -- Dianna (talk) 05:45, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Utahraptor has resigned
Hi Stfg,

I have been notified by The Utahraptor that he has resigned as Lead coordinator of the Guild due to pressing real-life concerns. I have opened a discussion thread at Coordinators talk page to decide what to do next. Thanks. -- Dianna (talk) 05:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Jaeckle
I disagree with your conclusion that the earlier version of this article is not as good as the latest one. The first version should be restored. You (or intervening editors) have removed useful information. jmf17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmf17 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Please sign your talk page posts.


 * So restore the useful information. But don't undo the copy editing, remove the five references that have been added (there were none at all in the version you restored today) and reinsert florid POV language such as I have quoted on the talk page. Praise is not "information". The article actually needs a lot more moderating. Do you realise that language like:


 * Jaeckle was a liberal Republican who established a tough political machine, ran it with an iron fist, insisted on integrity in party and government affairs, and fostered a progressive agenda.


 * In his own dealings as party leader, he was attentive to his subordinates and fair but firm.


 * does Jaeckle no favours at all? All it does is to make the article look like a vanity article.


 * Please do add information if you feel any has been lost. But just deleting the work of all the editors since your last version is vandalism. You are familiar with WP:OWN, I assume? --Stfg (talk) 20:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, Dom497. Yes, it's coming along. When jcgoble3 gives the go-ahead, I'm ready for a second pass. Cheers, --Stfg (talk) 23:37, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Transitional Fossil

 * Heh, maybe! Thanks for the piccy. How are you. Late last year you were having problems with health, house and your PC. Any better now? --Stfg (talk) 19:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No probs, the pic was a little surprising - I tried to find another more suitable to "fossil" but as none were to be found, I thought that one seemed the only one appropriate (though it does remind me of the strange fish-men from a Doctor Who episode, The Sea Devils)
 * I am ok, thanks for asking. Things have returned to a little more normality for now after not losing my flat, though I have less time available for editing this year and probably won't be back to more normal levels until May or June. I am missing GOCE, though I will try and help where and when I can. The main issue has been time, which I have been devoting to the Robotics project for the past few months (as I left it on the back burner during my time as coordinator). Hopefully I can get it back on track - there are around 1500 or so articles that need reassessing for a start, and the pressing need for other editors to get involved with tasks other than just their particular little niches of interest, I am sure it will all come together this year :¬)
 * I hope that you enjoy your time as a GOCE coordinator, it can be annoying and it can be great fun - sweet and sour. Chaosdruid (talk) 00:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Charles Dickens' article.
Hi Sftg. You participate in copy editing, and i'm contacting you as the Charles Dickens article has been of a low standard for a long period and edits unvetted. The one issue that needs to be dealt with above all in Talk:Charles_Dickens was one editors sweeping allegations. This subject in particular, has been in dire need of a collaboration and discussion among editors, and not one editors POV, so that consensus on the material is reached on talkpage, and crucially that the addition and wording scholarly. Thanks. Harrison 1979 (talk) 18:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello Harrison 1979. You are making several mistakes and are at risk of getting yourself into trouble. Please note the following:
 * It's not a good idea to remove large tracts of text from articles when they have good secondary sources. If you feel that the article or section is unbalanced, raise this on the talk page.
 * Don't do it in a heated way. Those double question marks on the talk page, and accusing an editor of "malicious misrepresentation of someone", are not conducive to collaborative discussion. It's urgent for you to read the Wikipedia policies No personal attacks and Civility, and the behavioural guideline Assume good faith.
 * If you're reverted, don't start edit warring; discuss the issue on the talk page. The page BOLD, revert, discuss cycle isn't a policy or guideline, but it's good advice.
 * Don't canvass. I suggest reading Canvassing. This message that you've sent to me and the similar ones you've sent to several other editors is inappropriate because we are not involved editors and your message is not neutral.
 * By the way, to copy edit is to fix up the quality of the prose in an article, not to decide on the article's content -- that is always done by the community. Good luck, --Stfg (talk) 20:19, 22 February 2012 (UTC)