User talk:Sthenel/Archive 1

About your edits in Panathinaikos article
Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! I saw your edits in Panathinaikos article and you should know that adding nonsense or removing necessary information from an article is considered Vandalism. I have to remind you that we are members of an world-known encyclopedia and not a fansite. So, try to keep a Neutral Point of View in what you write. So as you understand, adding offensive nicknames such us "Vazeloi" or removing historical facts is wrong :) --KaragouniS 19:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

-Thank you! Nice to meet you. First of all I'd like to tell you that the nickname "vazeloi" is the most popular nickname of Panathinaikos and their fans. I didn't put it as an insult. It's a name that is referred around Europe in shows that have to do with Olympiacos-Panathinaikos rivalry (e.g. an Irish TV show about this derby that I've seen recently). So it's something that has a strong connection with the nickname thing. Secondly, as you said it's not a fansite but an encyclopedia and if you wanna be right we should put in Panathinaikos page all the information that are important and not only those we like. For example in the nickname section of Olympiacos the name "gavroi" has been put and it should have. And I'll finish saying that posting that "Panathinaikos is regarded as the most successful club" has nothing to do with neutrality. Few people regard PAO as the biggest club as Olympiacos is more successful (they have more titles) at 3 of the 4 most popular team sports football, volleyball, waterpolo and Olympiacos has won european titles in basketball, volleyball, waterpolo which put them in the club of giants in european level something that Panathinaikos is not (only in basketball). So, you should reconsider the above thing no matter if you're gonna change anything. Greetings!! --Sthenel

Ok, the article was edited in order to be neutral. Also, the nickname "vazeloi" (meaning: the guys who use vaseline--KaragouniS 11:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)) is not accepted by the majority of Panathinaikos fans and as a result is a swear. The nickname "gavroi" (meaning anchovies) is not offensive because it's refered to olympiakos' origin (the port of piraeus), so these 2 nicknames are totally different.

PAO fans when they're asked about which team they support they usually answer "I'm a vazelos" so it's not an insult. Anyway.. Sthenel

Your sig
Hi, could you please change your signature so that it will point to your user page and not to a (non-existing) article "Sthenel" in mainspace? Try: Sthenel in place of just Sthenel please, or just reset your user preferences to the automatic sig, which will do the same. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

3RR Block
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.  Nish kid 64  01:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Irene Papas
I didn't write the intro, I brought it into line with the MoS (my edit). I don't know who called her Greek-born rather than Greek; as, for all I knew, she might have taken citizenship elsewhere at some point, I left it (she lives in Portugal now, I believe). I changed your edit because you went from the correct "Greece" to the incorrect "Greeks" (that is, the lead mentions nationality, not ethnicity). --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 14:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, "Greek-born" doesn't mean "born in Greece of non-Greek parents"; it means "born in Greece". Still, as long as it's clear that she didn't change her citizenship, that's fine.  Do you have a source for that, incidentally? --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 14:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I promise you, as a native speaker, that "Greek-born" means exactly and only "born in Greece". Anyway, I've changed the article. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Please cite
Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. --Yamla 15:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

In Reply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Philhellenism#Pyrros_Dimas

 Φil hellenism  00:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I stand corrected, although I would imagine that one would Wikilink to the other, wouldn't it?Arcayne 15:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sarakatsani and Doric
Hi, please see my comments on Talk:Sarakatsani. Cheers, --Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
Welcome to the project! Hope you enjoy contributing to it. Looking forward to your ideas!--Yannismarou 13:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Removing of Image
Hello Dear i add image in Gorgo (Sparta) but you removed it [].Yes, I know she is actor but she is representing some one. if you do not agree with me then i can show you other pages in wikipedia those are showing actors as historic persons. As this one [].Khalidkhoso 20:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Greece Newsletter - Issue VIII (IV) - April 2007
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Thank you.--Yannismarou 19:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yasou Sthenel
Apo pou krataei h skoufia sou? :-) NikoSilver 14:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Etsi apla rwthsa mhpws eisai ths diasporas dioti ta Agglika sou fainontai arketa kala. Ki egw apo A8hna eimai, Glyfada. Energopoihse to hlektroniko sou taxydromeio stis protimhseis panw de3ia. ;-) NikoSilver 15:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Hellenism
Is there a reason you are supporting this Original Research fest? Just because people took the time to write something doesn't make it meaningful to wikipedia if it is not a notable academic term, event or person. It is better off as a stub. Guy Montag 18:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I added plenty of discussion on the talk page and it can be found here. I will be happy to discuss anything you believe is worthy of inclusion in the article as long as you have a legitimate reason for its inclusion and that reason conforms to easily confirmed academic findings in the area.

Thanks,

Guy Montag 21:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Vardousia
Ουρέ μπράβο, καλά του 'πις που έπισι έξου η σιλίδα για τα Βαρδούσια. Μωρέ ουλόκληρ' Βαρδούσ' κι να του χάσ'μι! Τώρα θα του βάλου στη θέσ'τ'. -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * FP to pas kala to Blaxiko! Mhpws filodo3eis na anebaseis tis epidoseis sou sta Ellhnika? (kai kat'epektash sto sex?) :-) NikoSilver 19:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * BS as always from this person Sthenel 19:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, I was just saying thank you for pointing out that technical problem... Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Me too - Sthenel 20:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, I've also merged the two Giona/Gkiona pages for you, I think that's what you wanted, right? (Okay, and I won't do that dialect pastiche again, as you didn't like it... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Btw, I just didn't get the reason you did this. Anyway! - Sthenel 20:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Εχω καποιες συνδέσεις με αυτήν την περιοχη. Τώρα έβαλα και φωτογραφία, από εκεί που μου τα έμαθαν αυτά ... Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Ναι εννοώ προς τι η ειρωνεία στην αρχή. - Sthenel 21:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Euroleague
Hi, thanks for notifying me. I'm afraid my reaction is not what you have probably hoped for. You were edit-warring, quite blatantly (something like 10 reverts in 2 days?), so I can't help but saying that you were as much at fault as the anon here. I've protected the article and hope you'll both make some effort to work it out on talk, but please note that this might also lead to you both being blocked if the reverting continues. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, when we do page protections we are actually supposed to do them without regard to which version it is that gets protected; it was pure coincidence. As for the other editor being a "guest", as you said, it is actually not the case that his being not logged in gives his opinion less weight than yours. Anon IPs are allowed to edit just like everybody else, and that includes that they have to be taken seriously just like everybody else in editorial disputes. For the same reason, I couldn't have used semi-protection to unilaterally shut him but not you out from the article. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

In friendship
I took the liberty of counting and assessing the labels on your user page. I found out that that you have 21 of those and I agree with 14,5 of them. (Most of the rest relates to the sign of the Zodiac, nationality, languages spoken and religious affiliation). So I think we're more or less on the same track. Nothing I've written has been in a mean sp o irit. All the best Io 18:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * PS: Corrected spelling. Being the archetypical pedant, I hate it, when I make mistakes like that. All the best Io 18:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm glad too. You're passionate about your language and I'm passionate about mine. The objection I had was the generalization, to which I provided an answer and a counter-example. If I knew more languages I would actually have preferred to take examples from them rather than from Icelandic, just to remove suspicion of bias. As said, glad to make your acquaintance. From your labels, what separates us is the star sign (I'm a Gemini), religion (I'm an agnostic), place of birth, obviously and languages spoken. The 0,5 rating I gave was in regard to the politics label. I believe we're half in agreement there. All the best Io 19:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked at our exchanges today, and what separates us are the following entries:
 * This user comes from Greece: I do not.


 * This user supports the European Union: I do, but I don't want membership for my country.


 * This user is an Aries: Gemini.


 * This user is a member of the Eastern Othodox Church (the same goes for This user is an Eastern Orthodox Christian): Agnostic.


 * This user is a Social Liberal. I might be, depending on the definition.


 * As for languages, I speak neither Greek nor French.


 * All in all, I think we might agree on most things.


 * I hope you don't take my intrusion too seriously, but I think we have a lot in common. Cheers Io 13:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Fake AEK Athens titles
Kalispera file moy. Kati prepei na ginei me afton ton vlaka pou prosthetei aniparktous titlous stin AEK. Mipws prepei na fonaksoume kapoion administrator i na zitisoume prosorino kleidwma? --KaragouniS 12:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * ok an sinexisei mexri to telos tis evdomadas tha zitisw semiprotection.--KaragouniS 16:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Exei paravei ton Three-revert rule (dld maximum 3 reverts mesa se 24 wres ara thewreitai EDIT WAR). Proeidopoihse ton filika kai an sinexisei tote kalese kapoion admin na paremvei.--KaragouniS 11:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * telika ton vlaka pou evaze fake titlous ton protina gia BLOCK IP kai ton blockaran gia 24 wres. An sinexisei paei gia mina. Opote eimaste ok twra :)--KaragouniS 18:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

user Gon4z
Hi, I just want to let you know, that there has been trouble with user:Gon4z all over wikipedia for nationalistic editing- he usually pushes all numbers regarding Albania up and tries all the time to reduce the strength and power of Serbia and Greece. He showed a really nasty behaviour (insults, 3rr, edit war, unsourced material, user page vandalism, lies, and so on) at the Albanian Military articles ( i.e. Albanian Land Forces Command). Here you can see his talkpage before he blanked it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gon4z&oldid=128556210#Incorrect_Info.2F3RR_warning He got banned three times in a week for his actions and insults, but hasn’t learned his lesson, as his rude behaviour at the article “Serbian Air Force” and his increasing of all Muslim and Albanian numbers in all kind of articles of the Balkans show. If he insists to edit war with you or begins to insult you let me know and I will dig up the endless complaints about him in the administrator’s board to help you in case you wish to report him on the "Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents". Best Regards noclador 02:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You are allowed to revert an article only twice a day. Unless you revert vandalism! Then there is no limit. I.e. if you revert (as I did) 5 times a day the $50 billion GDP Gon4z put into Albanian articles, when the correct number (IMF and World Bank) says it is $10 billion, then I'm reverting vandalism and I'm therefore fine. BUT nonetheless, make sure you do state clearly in the articles discussion why you reverted it! Also inform the Administrators' noticeboard/3RR quickly about it! Naturally the best is if you and another editor both revert the article to its correct state: first you, then him, then you, then him,... in this case you have both far less edits then the user whose wrong edits you try to keep out. I hope that I could help :-)
 * A fresh highlight from Gon4z ramblings in the Islam in Albania article: “The (Kosovo) war had a big influence in the growth of Islam as the world saw that as a Orthodox crusade on the Muslims of Kosova where the Serbian Orthodox people tried to expel all Albanians from Kosova, over 550,000 were forced out of Kosova and 20,000 were murdered, also the backing of the KLA by most Muslim countries and the 3,000 Mujahideen’s who volunteered to fight in Kosova helped widen Islam to the Albanian people.” And if you do not agree with this statement you are a: “God dam retarded Greek or Serbian Albanian hater, that is spreading Anti-Albanian Propaganda.” noclador 08:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I reported Gon4z today to administrator Prodego as he had to deal with Gon4z more than once too. Gon4z is currently editing unsourced material into articles and accuses anyone that does not agree of “vandalism” or “racism”. I think a longer ban is required. You can find my report about Gon4z (and a list of “deeds”) to administrator Prodego here. If you have any negative experiences with Gon4z or an opinion to add I would welcome your contributions. Thanks and best regards noclador 01:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It would be helpful if you could go to Prodegos site and confirm my complaints. This will give them more weight and will prolong the duration of a possible ban. Thanks, noclador 09:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I reported Gon4z to the Administrators' noticeboard as I found another large amount of insults he threw at users (i.e. "I can see you an American ASS licker"). Here is the link to the new discussion in which I request that he be banned once and for all, as he clearly is disruptive in everything he does. Please voice your personal complains at the new discussion too, thanks very much noclador 01:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you.--Yannismarou 20:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Twelve Olympians
1.) "Hey! Could you please tell me what exactly this 'cowardly' in ' Aris Ares is the cowardly god of war' means? Thanks! - Sthenel 07:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)"

Ares and Athena were the two primary gods of war and battle in Greek mythology. Ares was a bully, a man who was cruel and fought dirty. Athena, on the other hand, stressed honor in battle and the use of tactics. Athena represents the brave warrior, such as in the Medusa story. Ares, on the other hand, represents the soldiers who surround the surrenderers and cut them to pieces once they are helpless. In the Iliad, Ares sneaks down to the battlefield where he attacks with a long lance while invisible and behind the front shield wall of his chosen side. In other myths, Ares bawls and runs when hurt only slightly. Etc. Cratbro 20:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

2.) "Hi! I've studied the Greek mythology a lot and Aris Ares is simply called as 'the God of War', not cowardly or anything. If you find him 'coward' is another story. - Sthenel 20:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)"

Again, it is "Ares", not "Aris". Ares IS often simply called "the God of War", but at the same time, he is portrayed as a coward. If you want something explicit, see Hesiod's Theogony. Cratbro 20:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

3.) "OK Ares...sorry but I wrote it in Greeklish. The point is that Ares is not called 'the cowardly god of war'. - Sthenel 20:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)"

Again, see Hesiod. Cratbro 22:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

About the Euroleague pages
Thats the plan...it will take me about a 100 years but that the the plan. the Eurobakset pages needs to be created too sometimes. --ArnoldPettybone 23:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm using this site
http://sathanasias.bravepages.com/b-res/basketball.html

--ArnoldPettybone 23:39, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Greece national football team box
entaksi den mou fenetai kai kaki idea na valoume ta kalutera apotelesmata tis ethnikis mas se ena box. Vevea an afto to box megalwsei kai allo, tote tha iparxei provlima xwroy. Episis exeis dei enan xrhsth me to nickname "Darth21" ? Mpenei kai vazei kai aftos pseftikous titlous stin selida tis aek kai mallon prepei na einai o idios me ton IP user pou ekane ta idia stin selida tis SuperLeague. Tha tou kanw warning gia na dw pws tha antidrasei.--KaragouniS 10:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * xm twra to eida kai to mikrina ligaki giati den to eixe morfopoihsei kala. Kali idea mou fenetai kai afto alla meta to peras twn prokrimatikwn tha afairethei.--KaragouniS 10:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * btw afto pou eides stin talkpage twn arvanitwn einai ena troll poy mas vasanizei edw kai 1.5 xrono. Aftoapokaleitai "DODONA" ;) --KaragouniS 13:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Excellent Work on Euroleague 2005-06
I suggest also making a separate article on that year final four. Just finished the 60-61 season, I also made a box for seasons prior to uleb euroleague. I'l make another one after FIBA reaign later. --ArnoldPettybone 16:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree
You cant underestimate the differences between the two. I'm making them exacly like the european cup\champions cup boxes, with links to one another. the basketball needs two diffrent boxes evan more then the football, they only changed the format. in basketball everything changed, from managing firm, seating arena specs. the works. Also I think I should move all the articles I'v made to a new location discarding the word "season". "FIBA European Champions cup 1957-58" sounds better and it has continuity with the later euroelague articles. --ArnoldPettybone 16:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I'v checked all sort of sport compitions articles
In all of them the article conserning that season competition was in "details", not in the year. FIBA World Championship, Champions league. Its better that way becasue you have to remember that the season is not in one year, and someone not aware of how basketball/soccer operate will get the wrong idea.

Greek diaspora in Egypt
Hi- re. your question ; I removed it because Category:Greek Egyptians is already a subcategory of Category:Ethnic groups in Egypt and I also didn't think it made sense to flood the main article on Greeks with categories about the diaspora communities. Ideally, that category should be in an article about Greeks in Egypt specifically, like for example Armenians in Egypt and Italians in Egypt. Alas, there is no article to date about Greeks in Egypt despite a history that goes back even before the Ptolemies, though it would be nice to have one. Most other articles on ethnic groups don't have such a long list of categories of its diasporic communities, esp. those communities that are fairly small. The Egyptian Greek community has been in decline since the 1950s. — Zerida 07:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Why did you edit the euroleague page
I think you know very well that SEF is in pireus, not athens. --ArnoldPettybone 23:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

So does jaffa and Tel Aviv
the first is municipally belongs to TA, but jaffa is a city with its own history and culture. never mind. --ArnoldPettybone 14:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:Athens
I was hoping you could add your name to the WP:COUNCIL/P page to help get WP:Athens into existance. It's just a proposal so far, but I hope more people will add their names. El Greco (talk · contribs) 22:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Robert Browning
Please be more careful in assessing implications in a language not your own. A literate native speaker of English is quite likely, at any mention of Robert Browning, to at least hesitate over the question of whether it is Robert Browning, who could have studied Byzantium as well as Aristophanes; similarly Captain William Shakespear is never introduced without his title, and usually his regiment. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:32, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality
Please read WP:NPOV; we avoid all points of view, not just personal opinions. In fact, collective points of view, like the hostile opinion of Fallmerayer (which I share) are even more assiduously avoided than personal opinion, as less likely to be simply corrected. Please also read the talk page and his article before you cite Carleton S. Coon as a modern authority again. 18:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've urged including Fallmerayer myself; but Wikipedia doesn't do passages like that. We don't abuse even discredited nineteenth-century racists; WP:NPOV has a section on why we don't abuse Adolf Hitler .(Still less, of course, do we do it by appealing to twentieth-century racists like Coon; if for no other reason, it's unconvincing.)


 * Accuracy also enters the question. It would be nice if Fallmerayer had in fact been ignored and refuted since 1840, except for the Nazis; but if so, we wouldn't mention him any more than we mention Hans Hörbiger in Moon. His importance lies in the people he did persuade, from Martin P. Nilsson to Edith Hamilton. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:53, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I repeat: it's the wording you reverted to that is unacceptable. Go to Talk:Greeks and we can begin working out a mutually acceptable one. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:18, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was, once upon a time, content to tag it. But I do not think it should be restored; it violates policy. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Dimitris Spanoulis?
Do you happen to know anything about the basketball player Dimitris Spanoulis? His article is currently up for deletion. User:ArnoldPettybone referred me to you. Thanks! Zagalejo ^ 05:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Greece NT?
What do u mean what are the point of my edits...???? The-real-zeus 18:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the NT is banned from playing at Karaiskaki after the Turkey match....The-real-zeus 19:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * UEFA banned the Greek NT from playing there games at Karaiskaki because of the racist banners and fighting after the game....Link as u can see in the link the game is being played at OAKA...!The-real-zeus 19:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * My apology's........The-real-zeus 14:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

A request
Greetings, can you please stop using the popup rollback function when reverting content contributions made in good faith? If you need to revert another contributor, the least thing they deserve is for you to take ten seconds typing out a reason why you're doing it. The popups are really just for reverting vandalism or blatant nonsense. Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Greeks
Hello Sthnel, Can you please let me know how do you get to the 19,000,000 Greeks? There are comments in Greeks:discussion and perhaps you can share your info with others.--Marksg 15:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm to correct Diaspora figures as some are outdated and they don't agree with references, then we can sort out Greeks Nos--Marksg (talk) 10:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Dorians
What are you doing to that article if I may ask? You have to scroll all the way now and it looks as rubbish :S Mallerd 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalisms
Well, I don't think we can do something about them, at least for now. Their changes are too minor and as a result we cannot have them blocked - and if they use dynamic IPs this will be much more difficult. So, at first we should give them some warnings and if they go on, then we can request blocking. Let's see what will happen ;) --KaragouniS 14:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply
You really think a 4-0 win against a team of Bosnias calibre is a notable victory...common,if you think that you know nothing about football,and i dont i just change it to better english... The-real-zeus 20:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Listen buddy,we scored the final 3 goals in the 80 minute,...if we add the 4-0,we might aswell add the 8-0 (biggest win) over Syria.The-real-zeus 22:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You seem to be making alot of changes in the NT page...u say 'I dont,I dont ,I dont....,it doesnt all revolve around you....if you dont want something on the page,start a discusion on it...cheers!...The-real-zeus 17:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Question on WPGR
seems like you figured it out. Let me know if you have any more questions on it. -- Kimon talk 17:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

BC or BCE
Hi! In Greeks in Egypt you insist on BCE in the dates. Why, since all the date-articles are written with "BC"? - Sthenel 23:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The compromize has been to favor the status quo. This is because, every time there has been a discussion, opinion and for that mater arguments have been equal for both forms.Dejvid 09:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, to an extent the principle of favoring the status quo doesn't sit well with the principle that no one owns a page. However, once you have a situation where two styles have equal status, favoring the status quo is the only way to avoid edit wars.  The same thing applies to the choice between "British" and "US" spelling.  As to the argument that it should be BC to avoid redirects, just think thru the implications of applying this. This would either mean the total elimination of BCE or an edit war to change the years back and forth between BC and BCE.  What we have is a pragmatic solution to a situation where editors who favor BCE are around equal with those who favor BC. Dejvid 22:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've re-read what you wrote. If I read you right, you are saying that the disagreement over eras should be fought out on the pages for years.  The years are currently stable because those who favor BCE leave them alone.  Isn't that desirable?Dejvid 22:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The policy on eras is not entirely clear and people can honestly disagree with what it means in practice. However, it surely can not mean that all refs to years in articles must point directly  to the year.  The agreement is that the two forms are equal but to insist on no redirects would wipe out BCE completely.  That by no stretch of the imagination is treating the two forms equally.  Why do you think the redirect links were implemented?Dejvid 09:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * AFAIK it was specifically to allow BCE forms but as it will take a little time for me to confirm that I'll drop that argument. My other points however are more important and are clearly valid.Dejvid 09:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Page move
Two points about your move of Greek American. First, article titles should always be singular, per WP:NC. The sole exceptions are terms which can never be used as a singular, such as scissors or trousers. Second, when a new title is appropriate the right way to change a title is to move the page rather than cut and pasting the content into a new article. Moving the page retains the full editing history that is required by the GFDL. If you have any questions let me know. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I see German American and Italian American. If there are some with plural names they should be moved back to the singular. A confusing difference is that categories are always named plurally. So the correct category name is "Category: Greek Americans". Regarding the move over redirect, in those cases the proper thing to do is ask an admin to do it or list it at Requested moves. If you'd taken that route someone probably would have explained why it doesn't match the naming conventions. Anyway, it was easily fixed so there's no problem. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 22:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Olympiacos
I don't understand. Olympiacos, Olympiacos FC and Olympiacos CFP seem to be the same topic. If so shouldn't the articles be merged? Aren't they all about the Olympiakos Syndesmos Filathlon Peiraios? It looks like there should be just one article with some redirects. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 11:56, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand. I've made the move you requested. Could you handle cleaning up the double redirects please? See this page for specific instructions:  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 12:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Superleague Greece

 * Yeah dude..i put them back up..because we havent decided on anything yet...lets discuss it first then we will see...cant just remove it without duscusing it first....The-real-zeus (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

No
Anyway i see your point.Put rest of Greeks back if you like but i meant nothing like that.It just looked surplus to me.Eagle of Pontus

Gongratulations
For the details you added in Greek championships past seasons.Really great. Eagle of Pontus —Preceding comment was added at 18:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Besa Arvanon edits
Well i understand you delete my edits without mind it, this does not honor you and your intellectual development not mention other important factor , I love Greece as much as you and also Arvanites as strong and honored part of our ethnos people never mind what they call themselves. I am not even appreciated it among my own people for the strong bias misunderstanding exist we are here to change this unreasonable situation that exist among to countries and the same nation--Besa Arvanon (talk) 14:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)