User talk:Stifle/Archive 0508a

Dance of the Dead deletion.
I recently posted a page on "Dance of the dead (2007) film" You claimed it to be "utter nonsense." This is not the case. I saw it at tha Atlanat film festival the other week, and had an IMDB link to back it up. Granted I got the date wrong, as it was a 2008 release, but it is a legitimate film. I don't know why you delted it. Could you please undelete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whm2 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please provide a link to some online news coverage or another way (besides imdb, which anyone can edit) to verify this movie. Stifle (talk) 07:28, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's it's offccial website http://danceofthedeadmovie.com/ and Here's an Atlanat Journal Article on it

http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/content/movies/stories/2008/04/18/filmfest0418.html

-Whm2
 * OK, I've restored the page so that we can have a wider community discussion on the matter. See Articles for deletion/Dance of the Dead (2007 film) for more. Stifle (talk) 08:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of page 'simania'
Hello,

We created a page about the company corresponding to the wikipedia.org.il page: http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%94_%28%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%A8_%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%98%29

As I mentioned in the discussion page, Simania.co.il is the leading book site in Israel getting over 200,000 unique visitors per month, has interesting recommendation algorithms and a unique blend of book related options.

There is public interest about the company and its site.

Please undelete the page.

Thank you.

Laviavigdor (talk) 08:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Simania.co.il was deleted under criterion 7 under Articles at WP:Criteria for speedy deletion, because it was an article about web content that does not explain its importance or significance. Please see WP:WEB for details of how a website might be notable. If you think that the site meets those criteria, please explain which one it meets and provide citations from reliable sources to verify that, and I will undelete it.
 * Alternatively, you may file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 08:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ewelme Cricket Club
Hello

You deleted a page I created for Ewelme Cricket Club stating that it doesn't indicate significance, can you please explain why this happened?

Thanks

Adam Arscott Captain Ewelme Cricket Club —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamArscott (talk • contribs) 11:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~ at the end.
 * While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?
 * Ewelme Cricket Club was deleted under criterion 7 under Articles at Criteria for speedy deletion because it was an article about a club which did not explain its importance or significance. Please see WP:ORG for details of how a club might be notable. If you think that the club meets those criteria, please explain which one it meets and provide citations from reliable sources to verify that, and I will undelete it.
 * Alternatively, you may file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 13:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Edits to The Way to Happiness
Hello:

I have devoted more time to reading your rules and agree to abide by them. I am fascinate dy Wikipedia and would like to continue adding neutral, correct information regarding the Way to Happiness.

I'd like to learn more on how to tag information that others add which I find incorrect and I would like to learn how to defend my addtions where I cite primary research supported by secondary research and that is deleted by a user.

To be clear, I am a pro Scientology. The person (Cirt) editing the article is clearly anti-scientology. I have no problem with his adding his "controversial" content but I would like to add correct, verifiable, netural, encyclopedic content which sheds light on positive aspects of The Way to Happiness and would like it to remain there, and not be summarily deleted (vandalized) and stilted to a negative connotation (pulp fiction) and the Humanitarian issue.

If you are going to be watching these edits, I'd like your advice on this.

I would like to add after the first line of the defition. The scentence "The Way to Happiness is available in 93 languages and, to date, over 74 million copies have been distributed world wide" This is a primary research fact from The Way to Happiness Foundation.

I'll wait a few days for your reponse, in the meantime I'll refrain from editing this page and read your policies.

Regards

Gabriel Gabef8008 (talk) 20:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have a secondary source (i.e. a newspaper, book, or magazine unconnected with Scientology) that states that fact, you can add that, otherwise you can't. Please see WP:SPS for more information about this.
 * We're all declaring our interests here, so I'll be clear that I am passively anti-Scientology (i.e. I tell people I don't like it, rather than joining Anonymous or protesting to try and get it banned. But I absolutely defend your right to contribute here insofar as you can do so in compliance with policy. Stifle (talk) 20:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I find it interesting that the user can not limit his comments to the article itself, but must feel the need to comment about me, the contributor, as opposed to focusing solely on the content of the article, in the same comment to you. Cirt (talk) 20:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Stifle:


 * Thank you for your post. I've studied the verifiability policy and will abide by it. I will contact The Way to Happliness to collect third party articles from reliable sources which shed a postive light on the Way to Happiness. I'm sure there are many.


 * Thank you for your candor in your point of view regarding Scientology. I respect it.  And thank you for your statement in protecting my rights to contribute in compliance with your policies.


 * Would you accept a copy of The Way to Happiness as a token of my appreciation for your defense of my rights?


 * Regards,


 * Gabriel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabef8008 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No thanks. Stifle (talk) 12:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto IV
As an administrator who has had no dealings with the article, can I get you to cast your eye over Talk:Grand Theft Auto IV please? -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 10:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There's nothing there for me to take administrative actions on and I prefer not to intervene in non-disruptive editing disputes as it tends to end up with me getting involved in something that I don't want anything to do with. Sorry. Stifle (talk) 12:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Jazzy Spring Festival Bucharest
Hello Stifle,

I intend to write an article about a jazz festival that is running every April in Bucharest. I really think it's important to have some words in Wikipedia about the only jazz festival running in Bucharest Romania. Yes, it's sad but it's true: we only have this jazz festival running in Bucharest.

As you already have deleted one article with the same name, I would really appreciate if you could take a look on it's new version and tell me if this can be accepted or not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dubluzet/Sandbox1

I remind you the deletion: (Deletion log); 11:03. . Stifle (Talk | contribs) deleted "Jazzy Spring Festival Bucharest" (A7 (group): Group/band/club/company/etc; doesn't indicate importance/significance)

Thank you,

Bogdan Dubluzet (talk) 10:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubluzet (talk • contribs) 10:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The article lacks citations from reliable sources and as such does not conform to the verifiability policy. It also does not clearly explain what makes it notable. Stifle (talk) 12:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Question about AfD process.
I'm curious to know how AfDs are resolved. I've started an AfD on Psychonaut. To my mind, article is WP:MADEUP or WP:OR, though this would be subject to debate, but is also unambiguously un-cited, despite the article being four years old and having a warning tag on this since May 2007. Many comments in the AfD are running along the lines of "Keep - We don't need to have cites", which strikes me as not according to Wikipedia policy. -- So, to what extent is AfD a popularity contest, and to what extent does it hinge on policies? If many people vote Keep, do we disregard policy problems? Who makes the call on AfDs? An admin? Thanks -- Writtenonsand (talk) 21:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Very good question. I find AFD to be a mixture of both. In the case that an article clearly does not meet policies, but a strong majority of users suggest keeping it, it will tend to be kept anyway, if for no other reason than consensus can change. If, on the other hand, the keep and delete "votes" are close together but one side is grounded in policy and the other is more aspirational or citing a number of the arguments considered invalid, then the admin should exercise discretion and declare the result accordingly. I did that recently at Articles for deletion/List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre (4th nomination), which decision was ultimately upheld on review.
 * In the present discussion, very few of those keep "votes" were grounded in policy. As you correctly pointed out it is for those seeking material to be included to verify it. I would wait a month or so then renominate the page, pointing out that no citations have been included since the last discussion and that all the keep "votes" were conditional on citations being added or had a mention that they were needed. In the face of such a small propotion of delete "votes" I don't think that a deletion review would overturn the discussion. Stifle (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Undeletion Request
Why did you delete the information I submitted on Obinna Oliobi? I live in South Africa and am a season-ticket holder at Bidvest Wits, as such i'm up to date with all the activities of the club.

Odili

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.241.196.223 (talk) 13:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~ at the end.
 * Obinna Oliobi was deleted under criterion 7 (under Articles) of our criteria for speedy deletion because it appeared to be an article about which didn't indicate why it was important or significant. Please see  for details of what might show notability. If you think that these criteria are met, please explain which one and provide citations from reliable sources to back up your claim, and I will consider undeleting it.
 * You may alternatively file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 12:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You may alternatively file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 12:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of The Union (U.P.Y.O.U.R.S.) article
Came across this deletion of yours by chance. While I'm not very knowledgeable about the WWE, this article seemed legit (looking at the Google cache). The Union was a stable which certainly did exist within the WWE. So why the deletion? Calzero (talk) 01:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I couldn't find a page with that name. Please specify the exact title including punctuation. Stifle (talk) 12:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Article The Union (U.P.Y.O.U.R.S) no longer exists. Here is the deletion log. Calzero (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. I see now.
 * I was asked to move that article to The Union (professional wrestling) because it couldn't be moved manually.
 * I moved that page, deleting the target page to do so.
 * Then I thought that the origin page was a vandalistic redirect (when in fact it was just misspelt, missing a period at the end), so I deleted it.
 * The page still exists at the above title and you can feel free to recreate one or more redirects from alternative names to it. Stifle (talk) 20:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I'll fix the bunk redirect from page Union (disambiguation) that led me to the deleted page. Calzero (talk) 04:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/London Oratory School Schola
Perhaps you would revisit your recommendation, please, now that the page has been sourced up? TerriersFan (talk) 16:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Stifle (talk) 20:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Grogg
Hello,

Just wondering why you thought my page on Grogg was nonsense?

Harris578 (talk) 11:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi,

Just wondering why you deleted my page on Grogg? I backed it up with news articles and everything? If you had given me a reason I could have done something about it!

Thanks,

Julian.

Harris578 (talk) 11:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message. One message is usually enough about any given article.
 * While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?
 * Since Grogg seems vaguely notable I am going to restore the page and list it for a community deletion discussion at Articles for deletion. Stifle (talk) 11:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Grogg
Hi, I am new to this but when I click on talk it brings me here? Can you suggest anything that I can add to stop the deletion? And also how long do I have?

Thanks.

78.145.219.114 (talk) 11:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can leave a comment at Articles for deletion/Grogg, which should be prefixed with "Keep" or "Delete" (or some other action you want taken with the page). Comments should be brief (not more than a few sentences). But note that comments from unregistered users are not usually taken into account. Stifle (talk) 11:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry forgot to log in.

Harris578 (talk) 11:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

machinedrum.jpg
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On "How are things?"
Dear Stifle, thank you for your kind note. I am fine and as you may have noticed am still around &mdash; though guiltily. I reciprocally hope that you are fine. As for my notes on my page, you are right, I should change the one in which I announce my leaving Wikipedia. I shall do that sometime in the coming time. With kind regards, --BF 02:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC).

Articles for deletion/Time and fate deities in popular culture
Do you really think that all IPC articles are inherently unencylopedic? The kind that usually wind up at AfD tend to be a terrible mess, but there are a few good ones out there. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 02:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do, but primarily because I am a deletionist. Stifle (talk) 10:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * passing by. I think that almost all of them are in fact encyclopedic as summaries and reorganisations of material elsewhere. DGG (talk) 03:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anything about being a deletionist that says you can't enjoy a well written article about a particular thing's influence/depiction in popular cultural. Non-notable crap is exactly that, non-notable and crap, but there are good IPC articles which are more than just a list of references, as I tried to show with the examples I left. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 11:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Pseudocode
Hi Stifle. I can't remember exactly what brought me to your User page now, but I just thought I'd say that as far as I'm concerned explaining one's likely actions in a given situation using pseudocode is a Good Thing, and I heartily support it. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Retired
Hello Stifle, could you change the template-protection to autoconfirmed-protected, so that I can edit there, please? Otherwise you have to write de:Vorlage:Deaktiviert yourself ;-) greetings -- Ra'ike talk de-user 12:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added that interwiki link in. There was some nonsense vandalism by various users and the template is used by many, so I am not going to unprotect it.
 * For future reference, please note that it's possible to place editprotected on the talk page of a protected page which will call an admin's attention to the fact that an edit is required. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 16:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Pai Ping-ping
That article had just been undeleted by another user because I was going to add to it. I would really like for it to be undeleted again. I have the sources to assert notability. Next time please try to allow for a window of time for changes to occur. EDIT: I just went ahead and undeleted it because someone else had undeleted it before just so I could add to it - WhisperToMe (talk) 22:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "is an actress[1], entertainer[2], and personality from Taiwan, Republic of China." - I think this and the references make it clear that this article is notable. When a reference from a major Taiwanese paper describes Pai as notable, she is notable. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The article as I tagged it didn't assert notability, but thanks for improving it so that it does. Stifle (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Request to Undelete "Maa Naa Chowdappa" Page
Hi,

I am creator of Maa Naa Chowdappa page. It has been deleted by you for insufficient information. I was to write the complete info by then it got deleted. This page is about a Kannada (an Indian language ) journalist who had worked in filed of journalism, literature, art fields during pre-independence and post independence period. He worked as editor of major news papers of past times and also the first editor of a film journal in Kannada. He also edited Kannada encyclopedia named Gnanagangothri which is even today used by lot of kannadigas. Mr. Chowdappa was awarded karnataka state award for his work "Shri Krishna bhoopala" - this book is a historical document about scion of Mysore Shri Mummadi krishna raja wodayar.

This is the outline of Mr. Chowdappa's works. If you can undelete this page we will really make it more interesting in a short span of time.

We are also putting the same details in kannada in http://kn.wikipedia.org.

would request you to reopen this page.

Thanks,

Deepak

Deepakemmaar (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?
 * Maa Naa Chowdappa was deleted under criterion 7 (under Articles) of our criteria for speedy deletion because it appeared to be an article about which didn't indicate why it was important or significant. Please see  for details of what might show notability. If you think that these criteria are met, please explain which one and provide citations from reliable sources to back up your claim, and I will consider undeleting it.
 * You may alternatively file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 13:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You may alternatively file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 13:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Section
Why are you deleting my content? I just put it up. Please explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meganahearn (talk • contribs) 20:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your message. In future, please sign your messages by typing ~ at the end.
 * While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?
 * Eureka Software Solutions was deleted under criterion 7 (under Articles) of our criteria for speedy deletion because it appeared to be an article about which didn't indicate why it was important or significant. Please see  for details of what might show notability. If you think that these criteria are met, please explain which one and provide citations from reliable sources to back up your claim, and I will consider undeleting it.
 * You may alternatively file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 20:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Gary Beckman
Dear Sir, I provided a reference to Professor Gary Beckman's faculty position: which features a list of all his publications below. Here is an interesting book review which he wrote of Trevor Bryce's 1998 book, The Kingdom of the Hittites.:. Beckman is important because he is one of the few Hittitologists in the US who specialises in the history of the Ancient Hittites. He has published in numerous serials including Akkadica: see 'Hittite chronology.' So, he is notable enough--in his field of study on the Hittites. He also published a second edition of "Hittite Diplomatic Texts" here: and edited a second book:  I was unable to add the links to these article since you deleted it. I request that you kindly reinstate his article but attach a historian stub tag to it, please. Such a tag is applied to Trevor R. Bryce who is also a Hittitologist that has published several books. Thank You. Artene50 (talk) 21:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * While I'm happy to answer questions, it looks like your question could have been answered and resolved more quickly if you had used my message wizard. It's linked as "Talk" after my name and at the top of my talk page. Why not try it next time?
 * Gary Beckman was deleted under criterion 7 (under Articles) of our criteria for speedy deletion because it appeared to be an article about which didn't indicate why it was important or significant. Please see  for details of what might show notability. Please provide citations from reliable sources to back up your claim, and I will consider undeleting it.
 * You may alternatively file a deletion review request. Stifle (talk) 08:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ryan Sands entry
Hello, I created the Ryan Sands entry, which you deleted earlier. I've edited the entry to include more reliable sources, most notably this feature article about him in ComixTalk magazine: http://comixtalk.com/index.php?q=head_trips

I've also edited the entry to explain why he is significant (he's well-known in the comics fan community). I'm reposting the article to include these changes. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baudyhorror (talk • contribs) 01:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And I have listed the article for deletion. Stifle (talk) 08:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Parish (Band)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Parish (Band). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 6wolf2112 (talk) 03:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Stifle, I came to ask about that deletion. You speedy deleted the article on the same day that it was kept in an AfD discussion. I didn't know about the DRV. Aleta  Sing 04:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see the DRV? Anyway, Stifle, would you look at the AfD and revert your deletion based upon that. I think in light of the AfD "close as keep" it was a mistake to delete the article. If you really think it should be deleted, you could of course renominate it for a second AfD. Aleta  Sing 04:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's restored now, but what part of "Before listing a review request, attempt to discuss the matter with the admin who deleted the page" didn't register with you? Stifle (talk) 08:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I think he must be inexperienced, but that's a pretty clear directive. Anyway, thanks for undeleting the article, Stifle! Aleta  Sing 11:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, look... I admit my inexperience, as I've only created a handful of articles and have never had one deleted before. I wasn't aware of all the channels available to me in this regard. I was just a bit upset over having my work capriciously deleted not once, but thrice. Thank you kindly for restoring it. 6wolf2112 (talk) 15:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

since you're around
Could you try to fix the last group of refs in Toufiq Saber Muhammad Al Marwa’i I've tried & failed--there's obviously a type in there, but I'm missing it.DGG (talk) 09:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's fixed now. There were two opening &lt;ref&gt; tags, one of which included an apostrophe in its name which would require the name to be in quotation marks, and the other missing a &gt;. Stifle (talk) 09:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

--thanks--this was one of the few of the type that actually had good 3rd party refs. DGG (talk) 09:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Re. Criticism of Google
Are you sure that reference doesn't substantiate the claim it's attached to? John Nevard (talk) 12:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. My bad, I was on a different train of thought. Stifle (talk) 13:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, always catches me. Have a good day/night. John Nevard (talk) 14:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)