User talk:Sting au/Archives

Speedy Deletion Sound Factory The Band
I posted this because this is an important band in Italy and member Julie P. co-wrote the song "Quelli che ben pensano" by Frankie_Hi-NRG_MC, it is in her biography, #3 in charts in 1997 and received as best song in 1997 the Music Italian Award  (PIM). The album she produced, La Morte dei Miracoli in 1997 published by BMG sold til now like more than 400,000 copies. She is one of the old school hip hop producer and well respected and known musician/singer in the soul/jazz italian ambient and also collaborated with Mike Stern, the jazz guitarist.

Sacredsoul2 (talk) 11:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Her notability does not make the band notable. Biography's of band members within the article in no way help to explain how the band is notable? Give two reliable sources (that explain the bands notability) as references. MySpace pages and Sound Factory home page don't count as references.  Sting_au   Talk  12:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Reply to Sting au for SPEED DELETION Sound Factory The Band
Sorry but well the band is important and soon will play live also with Mike Stern. Plus if the band wouldn't be important that great musician wouldn't have recorded 4 tunes with them.

Also they are on battle of the band's website, there is link and allaboutjazz.com is another good reference. There is a link there too. So here they are 2 reliable sources.

Sacredsoul2 (talk) 12:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a recreation of deleted material Sound Factory Band that was edit protected for admins only to create. Any references given (which must be from reliable sources) still need to show HOW the band is notable. Not just the band held a gig sort of report. What have they done? Awards etc.  Sting_au   Talk  12:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

'''That was deleted/protected because of a copyright mistake as I am new to posting to Wikipedia not because the band wasn't notable. One administrator let me stay but them there was a copyright problem but now it is solved as the band gave me permission.'''

Sacredsoul2 (talk) 12:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Band members biography's don't show how the band is notable? What has the "band" done to satisfy WP:MUSIC? Wasn't this deleted before as Sound Factory Band? A page currently protected and only to be edited by admins? Sting_au Talk 12:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My comment above copied and pasted here by Sacredsoul2 from talk:Sound Factory The Band.  Sting_au   Talk  12:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia - CzechInvest notability tag
Hi, sorry to bother, it's just that I'm not entirely sure about the notabily tag - the subject of the article quite an important Czech agency (Im too shy to write an important Central European player in attracting foreign direct investment). And at least its similar to entries like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InvestUkraine or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARIO. So... umm.. shall I delete the tag or the whole article..? Thanks, Jiri —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesullus (talk • contribs) 14:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply on your talk page. I've added a couple of citewebs and a reflist to the article.  Sting_au   Talk  22:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for updating the page. I tried to do exactly this, I failed, so I guess Ill read the guidlines once again and add some more references. I assume you must be getting loads of similar studd (edit: "stuff" of course:-), so thanks a lot Jamesullus (talk) 14:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Beekeeping translation
You kindly left me user:Byeboer_wa some pointers so I thought you might be able to help me. I started to translate the beekeeping wikipedia into Afrikaans and posted the first section. Some nasty people User:The undertow came along and deleted the page. How to I get it back on track? This (CSD A2) don't make much sense and only speak of articles going into English. Much appreciated.
 * Someone has moved it to User:Byeboer wa/Byeboerdery.  Sting_au   Talk  11:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I placed a request on the help desk after talking to you. Did not realized that a separate wikis excited for each language. It's a slow learning process. Even copied some of your ideas, if you don't mind. Byeboer  (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 11:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Rossi
That would be a really BIG help. --Laz6789 (talk) 22:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have the idea now...I will work on it. Thanks much for the initial instruction. I will get the ISBN numbers also later. Thanks again.--Laz6789 (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Any idea on how this entry should be categorized? Thanks much. --Laz6789 (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

G'day, Mate!
Sorry Stinger, but I've only just seen the note you left on my talk page. I've made a comment at: talk:breed standard. Regards, Quill (talk) 22:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Contesting a CfD result
You can list it on deletion review. Be sure that you read the guidelines there. The better you follow the guidelines with reasoning in your nomination, the better your chances for having a decision overturned. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:People with intellectual impairment
Hello. Sorry, yes, Category:People with intellectual impairment seems more like it. My mistake. Could you relist it and explain that I screwed up? I'd do it myself but I'm just heading off to the airport. Again, sorry about that, Angus McLellan (Talk) 09:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Sound Factory (band) Notability & Neutrality
I've noticed Sound Factory band's article and it has a relevant reference, they are in the review section of Rolling Stone Magazine Online so please think about if it is the case to suspend the tags about neutrality and notability. As far as I know they are a great band trying to emerge in the US, considering that they are Italians and that the project features one of the most amazing living I guitarists I guess they are really outstanding and we just can give them the time to add awards and more press coverage to come in the future months...Also it seems they are almost a legend the italian jazz/pop music scene...

Heartfullofjazz (talk) 02:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Mountain God
Hi! I created a page about a Pervian mountain spirit called Apus. Here is link to the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_god Would you mind cleaning it up or editing it? And changing the title? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Faster than a speeding bullet
You too can rollback vandalism faster than a speeding bullet with the incredible new Rollback feature. Basically like undo or Twinkle, but will rollback all of a vandal's edits with a single click. You can either request it at WP:RFR, or alternatively just leave a note on my talk page and I'll push the button. Happy New Year, Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Should be enabled now. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Cricket Archive
Cricket Archive is an extremely solid source of cricket references and all the figures quoted in the articles I'm doing about Yorkshire CCC grounds are quoted there. Nick mallory (talk) 06:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Slavia Sofia
Hi Sting! You added "unreferenced" tag to BK Slavia Sofia, but I'd like to show you that the external link, even if it's in cyrillic, it's very easy to understand and it shows the information written in the text... :) Take care! ;) --Roberto86 (talk) 10:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

List Of Thunderclan Cats
U my friend are not going to delete it again got it Good —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montana Gy (talk • contribs) 04:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Rick Roeber
I have done some work since you last visited Rick Roeber. While a lot of the links to media notability were deleted by Grey Wanderer, it is still pretty clear that the guy has notability. The FOX News spot is TOTALLY about Roeber and not just a sidebar, and KC Star article is a lengthy article that appeared as the lead article in the Sunday Preview Magazine section. --yarkoski1012 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Bharat Pumps & Compressors (notability tag)
In re your tag on this article, please note that the company is owned by the Government of India, which says a lot, given India's nationalist/socialist economic background. Additionally, there are several links on google that talk to the company's background, etc. . There isn't much content in the article, I admit, and I have already added a "stub" tag to it. If a company with revenue of over $200 million isn't notable, I don't what is. AreJay (talk) 03:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied here.  Sting_au   Talk  05:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. I think the confusion might have come from the term "Department of Public Enterprise". The Department of Public Enterprise (http://www.dpe.nic.in) is owned by the Government of India. Basically, BPCL, and other public sector undertakings (PSUs) are all owned by the government and managed through the Department of Public Enterprise.  I've gone ahead and clarified the citation. Can you take a look at it and tell me if this is what you were looking for? Thanks AreJay (talk) 14:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Check this out...
Meetup/Brisbane 2 - I'll run a bot to canvass tomorrow, but I though you might like to know in advance(ish). Dihydrogen Monoxide 11:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks :-) Sting au  Buzz Me...   02:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/White leaf phenomenon
AfD's shouldn't be closed by people who are involved in them, admins or not. So Articles for deletion/White leaf phenomenon shouldn't have been closed as it was. It looks to me like it was heading for a delete rather than a redirect outcome, but it hadn't been open that long. I've reopened the AfD. Thanks for letting me know. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you see an XfD that's had five days or so, where the arguments are all pretty much on one side and make sense to you, it's a big help if you go ahead and close discussions that are keep/merge/redirect. Any questions, give me a yell. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Schools proposal
There need not be consensus to reject a proposal, only a lack thereof to accept it. Discussion died out without any consensus being reached, that's the general way that happens. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, generally speaking, that's not the way that goes. One just happens to notice that a proposal has fizzled, and tags it rejected. It's not unusual, and there's certainly no requirement for committee approval&mdash;simply a lack of consensus to adopt the proposal after a reasonable amount of discussion. If you note the exact wording of the tag, it states "A rejected proposal is any for which consensus to support is not present and seems unlikely to form, regardless of whether there is active discussion or not", not "A rejected proposal is one which consensus agreed to reject." The status quo is the default; in the absence of strong consensus to make them, changes are rejected. Such consensus is not present there, and is unlikely to form (especially given the multitude of previous failures), so the proposal is rejected. No committee need decide so. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Native American Indian Dogs
I really appreciate the time you took to help me out. Again, adding spam to Wikipedia was the last thing I had in mind. I dug through the Internet to find as much as I could. If you have the time and interest, I would be very grateful if you took a look at the page as I have it now, and tell me if this is an improvement, or if I've just gone and made it worse. :p I'm not entirely certain how to find people to work on this. And I wouldn't be surprised if you don't hear back from the breeder for a week or so. Did you write Karen Markel or Shirley Allen? Or someone else? Shirley is a great person, but she's very busy, and while her response time on questions about the dogs themselves is amazing, she often doesn't get to less urgent things that quickly. I can't speak for Karen because I got my NAID from Shirley and have never worked with her. Anyway, thanks very much for your time even if you can't. :) Nanimwe (talk) 20:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Hydrophilite
Hi! I created a page about a mineral called Hydrophilite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrophilite Could you edit please? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 20:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Meetup/Brisbane 2
Hey there. You've expressed an interest in attending this - please see the project page to confirm your attendance and the proposed date/time/place. Thanks, Dihydrogen Monoxide (party) 07:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Arnold Murray
I had a quick read through and have decided he is a quack. My initial feeling, looking through the refs is that he is non notable. I will do some further looking around to see if I can improve his article and assert notability, but I have grave doubts. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 06:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

holger weins (facedesigner)
Is wikipedia.org only for international stars and not for european celebs? why will you delete the article about this makeup-Artist? I can´t believe it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timoweber (talk • contribs) 12:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hey, thanks for editing and improving the Stuttgart American High School website! I assumed it was an alumnus of SAHS, but just looked at the history and noted that it was you. Don't know why you helped, but in any case ... thanks. Mark mmdemos@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.175.57 (talk) 21:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Iterated Systems Inc.
I have posted information about Iterated Systems Inc.

The company no longer exists (did so in the 1990's) but is important historically for role in fractal image compression.

If there any way to get this historically important article back?

Technodo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Technodo (talk • contribs) 10:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Arnold Murray
An article that you have been involved in editing, Arnold Murray, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Arnold Murray (2nd nomination). Thank you. Camaron | Chris (talk) 16:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

proud to be a mother
Thank you Sting au. It's probably hugely obvious that I am a bit of a wiki newborn. It was really annoying me that I had successfully done the other boxes but had reams of coding with the mother one. I will attempt to put it right! Thanks again! Nicstick (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

not spam
I wonder why you deleted the page on musician Pete Samples. This entry did not violate section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion as it was written in accordance with Wikipedia's standards for biographies of living people, (ie. "written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone"), and is not an advertisment for the artist. I am not in any place to do publicity for this musician, and there was no legitimate cause to delete the page.

Other musicians similar to this artist are written in much the same way:

Hexes and Ohs

Vitaminsforyou

Antoine Bédard

Eggsblue (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)eggsblue
 * Firstly showing me other articles doesn't impress me. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. As for the "Advertisment" There was a link directly to a site to buy the CD. And I think from memory a MySpace page and that was it for links. No WP:RS so no WP:V but blatant advertising was the call (it was previously speedied for that reason). I didn't delete it however as I am not a sysop. Sting au  Buzz Me...   22:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I was not trying to impress you by showing other articles. I was simply attempting to address the content and format of these articles and their similarity to the one that I originally wrote. There were no direct links to buy a CD in the article I wrote. One was to the artist's page on CBC Radio 3, a valued and respected Canadian radio station, another was to the artist's homepage, which does not sell albums (it does, incidentally give one away for free), and finally, there was a MySpace link. As for the previous entry that was deleted last year, I can't comment on it, as I was not responsible for posting. I will be posting the same article again, perhaps with a few minor adjustments, and hope that it remains. Thanks.

Eggsblue (talk) 22:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)eggsblue
 * Well please take a look at WP:NOTE and when you recreate the page add a "References" section right from the start. Nothing gets a page deleted quicker than no reliable sources. Forget about MySpace pages and own websites as they do nothing for an article. You need reported in the media type references. Check WP:MUSIC for resources etc. Better luck next time, but do your homework. Sting au  Buzz Me...   22:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Kolath
I just found an article while doing new page patrol which is called Kolath Family. Is this a recreation of Kolath which was deleted by you after an AfD discussion? Sting au  Buzz Me...   04:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll investigate it. Thanks for the report. JERRY talk contribs 04:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed, word-for-word, bit-for-bit repost. Thanks again.  I have dealt with it. JERRY talk contribs 05:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Karizma (jazz group)
Hello there. I'm an old-time Wikipedia user, but a complete newbie as to writing articles. I'm not sure I understood why the piece I wrote about Karizma got removed. You mentioned relevance. I assume the article would need to explain the band's importance in order to deserve an entry, is that it?

While we are at it, let me ask you this: what is the relevance of the other "Karizma" entry, about the Bulgarian pop duo? Shouldn't it also be deleted on the same grounds? It seems just as pointless.

Thanks much and best regards!

Peter Marx (Talk) Feb. 3, 2008 - 7:40 EDT —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermarx (talk • contribs) 12:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Wilmington Montessori School deletion dispute
I've responded to your comment on Articles for deletion/Wilmington Montessori School. Please feel free to put the content anywhere that is appropriate. This is my first foray into wikipedia and am learning as I go. As you can see, I began the entry just this morning. So far today, I've quickly followed Moonriddengirl's advice on proper posting by removing the promotional content that came from the WMS website. I have also removed the WMS logo until I properly understand how it should be flagged/tagged so that I can use it like other school logo's that I see on the site. I'm continuing to read usage guidelines, policies, and procedures while trying to get a good grasp on editing and formatting. Any guidance is much appreciated. Regards. Daddy.twins (talk) 00:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Sting au, Thanks for your recent guidance on Articles_for_deletion/Wilmington_Montessori_School. Initially, you indicated a 'weak keep'. I have been reviewing many of the WP policies and guidelines over the last few days. I have also been revising the article with the help of other editors and have completed the following,


 * New reference added, although written by the current head of school, it is a doctoral dissertation and probably falls under WP:V "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are highly valued" and  WP:RS Scholarship.


 * Two additional references from independent educational associations, Tomorrow's Child published by The Montessori Foundation and Montessori Life published by The American Montessori Society are periodicals and could not be considered extremist or self-published by WMS; therefore, they also could fall under WP:V and WP:RS


 * Two additional references regarding national grants - the first by the US Environmental Protection Agency; and, the second by Toyota and the National Science Teacher's Association.


 * Added Montessori Life reference that "Wilminglon [sic] Montessori School ... Delaware's oldest and largest Montessori school..."

With the additional recent work toward establishing notability and the additional comments by other experienced editors, I would appreciate if you could review Wilmington Montessori School, Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Wilmington_Montessori_School, and Articles_for_deletion/Wilmington_Montessori_School again and provide your opinion.

Regards. --Daddy.twins (talk) 00:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Great Darkness Saga
I am sorry, but your rewrite of Great Darkness Saga is still far too close to the text at http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1040479 and so I have had no choice but to delete it under WP:CSD as a copyright infringement. CIreland (talk) 16:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I never rewrote this page? It's not mine and I'm not worried about it being deleted. I think you must have me mixed up with someone else? Sting au  Buzz Me...   10:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for helping in posting the cfd notices
I appreciate your help in posting the notices. Thanks!!! BRMo (talk) 00:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Impressed
Solomon Wiseman was created 2 minutes ago and you've wacked a category on it already. Most impressive! Gillyweed (talk) 03:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Me again :)
Hey mate, how're things. Any news on Meetup/Brisbane 2? dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm good thanks buddy :-) Work has been busy. Still find time to relax here finding articles in need of TLC. Haven't thought much about the meetup. I probably wont get to it though. I'm still down as a maybe so see how it goes. Sting au  Buzz Me...   11:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * T'was good - we'll have to do one when you're available in future :) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 11:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks
Thank you for your attention, I have just added the external links section. --Rubikonchik (talk) 13:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)Rubikonchik

Gold Coast Hospital
Thanks for the work you have done on the Gold Coast Hospital article. --WikiCats (talk) 05:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Invisible text
These are further sources for which the articles have not progressed enough to add. Minor but interesting details.

In the case you mentioned - did you ever wonder what happened to those huge Passenger Pigeon nesting sites that are mentioned in old texts? It is very hard to find any information even on where they were. Now I happened across this old report in Wilson Bulletin volume 18 pages 47 and on ("WilsonBull18:47" in shorthand), which briefly mentions that several roosting (and possibly nesting) sites were in Seneca County, Ohio. The Passenger Pigeon article does not discuss nesting locations in detail, so this single brief source (actually just a single sentence) cannot be comfortably added... yet. But as the article progresses, such information will become relevant, and now the source is on record and can be added when needed. See also here for journal title abbreviations. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 08:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Irvington, New York
Just curious - why "B"? What's missing from the article (which I've been laboring over for a while now.) Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz)  (talk / cont)  07:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

School diva
You were too hasty in withdrawing your nomination for this article. The sources that have been found for it seem to be phony (just looking for hits on the phrase without checking the contet or relevance) and, in any case, the article seems to fail WP:DICDEF. At best, it is a redirect to diva. The fact that this role may occur in school is no big deal. I'm going to put some tags on it. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Sundaymail bne frontpage.jpg
Hmmm, there must be something missing from its NFUR to attract the attention of the bot again..? SEO75 <sup class="noprint Template-Fact"> [  talk  ] 07:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

hi
Hi Sting. I appreciate what youare doing but I need toget my article one for school, ok

Also I agree wqith all your hobbies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samtore (talk • contribs) 12:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The article you created already exists under another name. I suggest you work on that one as I've turned your page into a redirect. <b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   12:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

KCHJ
KCHJ

Hi Sting.

The category could be Radio Stations or Country Music - Bakersfield Sound. Bakersfield is only 32 miles from Delano, the location of KCHJ. Also KCHJ is already referenced in Wikipedia under its new ownership.

Bill Woods was one of the DJs for a year or 2. He might be in Wikipedia as a famous performer.

I am new to this so I appreciate your help!

Wnewbury (talk) 02:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)WNewbury

KCHJ mentioned in a newspaper
Hi Sting,

There was a very short article in the Bakersfield Californian newspaper titled Mighty Voice of the Valley Silenced. Or something similar. It was about KCHJ being sold and changing its format to Spanish. I don't know exactly when it was published and it may be too short to be catalogued by the newspaper.

Wnewbury (talk) 02:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)WNewbury

KCHJ Delano CA
Hi Sting,

Bakersfield and Delano are in Central California.

Bakersfield is very famous in the world of COuntry Music. If Nashville TN is the number one place for Country Music, then Bakersfield is number 2.

Buck Owens, Merle Haggard, Billy Mize, Cousin Herb Henson, Red Simpson, Bill Woods and Ferlin Husky are just some of the COuntry Music stars who got their start in Bakersfield.

There is a distinct style in Country Music called the Bakersfield Sound.

Wnewbury (talk) 02:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)Wnewbury

WikiProject Brisbane
Just a reminder that WikiProject Brisbane needs your help. There have been a number of changes to the project page over recent days and I hope you could spare some time to take a look, be bold and add some touches yourself.

There is plenty that needs to be done to get more Brisbane articles up to FA standard. Please come and discuss this and lets see if we can build up this project.

Your details were taken from Category:WikiProject Brisbane members Nicholas Perkins (T•C) 05:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Removal of References and Notability Tag
Re: Article on Ohio Institute of Technology

What references or reference style is appropriate to "untag" this article? I had the following references for verification and notability on the article entry for "Ohio Institute of Technology" that were removed:

1. Ohio Secretary of State Tradename Registration for 11/01/2002 (PDF File Image of Document)

2. An offer to provide Academic Institutional References to applicable parties upon request. (should I upload business letters as references?)

3. A link to the US Copyright Site to view the 50 page Accredited University catalog as a "published source".

The catalog is co-branded and published in conjunction with Youngstown State University. Should I just do an APA style reference to the catalog as a third party publication source through Youngstown State University?

I would appreciate someone reading the entire article and providing feedback as to what references are necessary and appropriate and in what form. This would be helpful prior to removal of the references and tagging the article. Your feedback is appreciated. Thanks for your help.

--William B. Hall 00:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Citing sources
I nearly always cite sources, as you can see if you take a look at articles I've authored. What particular area are you concerned about in this case? Van Tucky 00:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Once I'm finished expanding and sourcing Squab (food), I plan on going back and reworking the section to be in line with the applicable cites. I do think it's rather laughable for you to ask for cites when almost all of the article (and the section I edited) is presently uncited. Van Tucky 00:57, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, if it ain't cited it's fair game. Van Tucky 01:11, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how soon you wanted to start work on Domestic Pigeon, but here is a superb book for use as a source. Van Tucky 01:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really think mentioning one particular plant is relevant to squab worldwide at this point. Besides, Blechman has a really obvious anti-squb bias in writing about the plant and the slaughter process, as noted in the NY Times review. But it's definitely useful for some factual verification of history and such. Van Tucky 02:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop being aussie pt. 2
Hmm... he mentioned a state-published catalog. That may be citeable; however, uploaded documents can't be cited, unfortunately. In terms of citations, I'd suggest he reads WP:CITE, WP:RS and WP:V for more information. Hope that helps, Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  01:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Tricky tricky... well, I can help look around if you'd like. Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  04:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It does look pretty spiffy if I may say so myself. Anyway, I'll see you around. Cheers, Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  04:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

OIT Further References
Have added a State of Ohio county site that list the courses as official joint curriculum between OIT and Youngstown State University.

Added references to Government documents in APA style that show founding date and retirement date of organization according to Official records of the Ohio Secretary of State for both periods.

Added reference to Public Law and WIA/WIBs that were sanctioned by US Congress to have Private Industry & Public Education contributing to councils regarding educational matters.

Added reference about the state of Education and initiative changes to educational policies.

Added reference supporting the 2000s recession and unemployment rate with a need to transition economy to a "knowledge economy".

Will add reference to Published Copyright source Online once I have the document no. to show the existence of joint published materials with OIT and a Public University.

What other information, data or references do you think might be appropriate?

William B. Hall 23:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Will be adding

Pigeons
Yeah mate, I fly racing pigeons on the Central Coast. Thanks for the userbox. I put a lot of work into the Pigeon racing article last year, I actually completely re-wrote the article. I was planning on trying to get it to FA, but never got time to complete it. The image at the top of the page is actually one of my race winners from 2006. A bbo tt 7 5 ღ 05:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Native Instruments
Hi Sting au - NI definitely meets notability requirements, even if the article is a bit shoddy. I don't do any significant edits there since I work for them, but here are a few references links just from the first couple pages of google hits:, ,  It's actually the largest pro-audio software company. Scott.wheeler (talk) 14:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Meh, since there's been no responce I am going to go ahead and do this myself. There's a short thread that popped up on the Talk page, should you care to discuss this further. Scott.wheeler (talk) 05:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply here. <b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   05:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Rock Pigeon
fixed that and added some stuff. Pity there isn't a definite picture of a non-feral bird of the nominate race (the flying bird probably is, but don't know where photographed and can't see its back). Jimfbleak (talk) 15:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

You PROD tag on Michael Battista
I have replaced the PROD tag with csd g1. A similar incident happened like two days ago with David Cheriton. See its AfD here. I think this is a pattern, maybe a vandal? Thank You. Weltanschaunng 10:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, its still not gone. Well I have tagged it as hoax. I will talk to some admin I know, maybe he will do something about it. Weltanschaunng 14:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well it went. All it took was the hoax tag, I guess. Weltanschaunng 14:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: comment
I included the county names in the titles of the Nebraska Township articles because a significant number of townships that share the same name. For example, I can think of at least five named Logan and Grant. I did every article in this format for uniformity. I looked at other state's township articles and it was common practice there as well. Right now, the only way to access the township articles is through the county page or by using the county template, which is at the bottom of each article. I have been working on these articles for a little over a week now, but when I complete all of them, I do plan to create the necessary disambiguation pages as you suggested. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Welcome
Hi Sting au,

Thanks for the welcome. I made a bit of a cock-up on the Bee-keeping page, it was meant to be 15000 years BC everywhere, thanks for tidying it up, although it says 15000 years now. History looks a bit of a mess now, sorry about that. I do enjoy using Wikipedia but find information to be inaccurate around the place, however I know that's why everyone helps out fixing it :D. I don't make a great many edits, so I'll just potter along for now as I can't put the commitment into joining a group at the moment. Feel free to point out any mistakes I make as I find the list of rules are somewhat endless and daunting to get through. Thanks again. --Karengpve (talk) 23:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

March 2008
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Hutt Valley Fencing Club
Hi Sting au - are you sure you want to speedy delete the HVFC article? I was about to work with some people here in NZ to get some facts into it about its place in NZ sporting history, etc. It's not like a run of the mill club. No hard feelings at all if you disagree, but I was hoping these folks might have a chance to develop the article before deletion. Thanks - let me know your thoughts.

Cheers,--Georgette.mccallum (talk) 09:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Hutt Valley Fencing Club
Thanks for your prompt reply to my discussion page, Sting. I'll take your advice on board and see if I can get some others to build up the proposed article before proceeding. Cheers,--Georgette.mccallum (talk) 21:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding deletion of Rude Star Hi-Fi
Hi Sting... Can you please let me know why Rude Star Hi-Fi is up for speedy deletion? Thanks Jonas Bæk (talk) 09:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply here. <b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   10:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

re: Notability (schools)
It's okay to disagree with me if you think that there is a possibility that consensus could eventually be reached but reversion without explanation was uncalled for. Please explain why you think that the decision to tag that proposal as historical was inappropriate. Rossami (talk) 23:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply here. <b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   06:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the somewhat harsh reaction last night but I consider the default TWINKLE wording to be weasel wording and have a great difficultly retaining my assumption of good faith when it is applied. Reverts without explanation are appropriate for vandalism and bad-faith edits.  Reverts of good-faith contributions deserve the courtesy of an explanation.  A revert does not somehow get more acceptable by adding the boilerplate "good-faith edit" when it is so rarely intended as such.  That default edit summary is so frequently misused that it gets no credibility anymore.  It's a pet peeve of mine but not, I think, an uncommon one.
 * On your other point, I explained my edit both in the edit summary and here on the Talk page. I understand that you find the proposal useful.  The Talk page makes it clear that others do not.  I can not find evidence that this proposal is moving any closer to gaining acceptance.  No one seems to be working on it anymore - including you.  If it really is sitting idle and not moving in any direction - well, that's what the historical category is for.  We can always resurrect it if someone wants to actually work on it again.  For now, no one seems inclined.  Rossami (talk) 16:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

iJailbreak
Hang on! It's not an advert... I was just trying to start a stub. It's not a commercial product in any case, so no selling is involved. I took a break from page-creation, and page is deleted by the time I got back to continue... an hour later. It is notable software, even if only useful to a section of Apple product users. Can we agree that you revert so that I can get on with it? Centrepull (talk) 13:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't delete it. From memory I think I spotted the speedy on it as I was patrolling new pages. Then all I did was mark it as patrolled. <b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   21:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Inbreeding
Hello, Why did you remove my addition to the "inbreeding" article as "unreferenced additions". I think I give 2 references for the two main methods for computing inbreeding, after having given the precise definition of inbreeding (which was given nowhere in the article). Mic comte (talk) 08:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I reverted back too far. I have restored your edit.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   04:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Mic comte (talk) 11:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Please Reply.
Hellow Sting,Namaste!This is Ganitha,Wikipedia user.Sorry for saying that you have crucially removed the names in Notable Alumni in Sri Venkateswara Junior College in the name of verifiability.Could you please explain how the alumni from the college can prove their alumnous?Or are there any reasons for the removal?Why couldn't you answer my question  in talk page of Sri Venkateswara Junior College?The names in that list are genuine.How can one think that the names gets listed in Alumni without reason?I think you will surely satisfy if the name,Chintapalli David Raju gets kicked from Wikipedia completely.Thank You.Waiting for your reply. ---Ganitha (talk) 13:16, 2 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ganitha (talk • contribs) 12:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply here.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   12:12, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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Edit Summary Field
Sorry Sting - I completely forgot it. I wonder if I edit once more, actually edit nothing, then fill in the edit summary field of my previous changes. I shall do that if i don't hear from you. --Hezzie Q (talk) 04:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Lori Rom
Hi! I recently added some info to an article about an actress called Lori Rom. Would you mind editing it? Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lori_Rom. Thank! Neptunekh (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting
Hi Sting and thank you for the kindly welcome to Wikipedia. --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

My User Page
Hi Sting! Thanks for replying to me! Would you mind editing my user page and see if I have any spelling mistakes or anything wrong on the page? Here's the link to my userpage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neptunekh Can you change the boxes around so I have more room to type for my profile? I would also like the box stating this user is an adult. Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 22:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

My User Page
Thank you but what about adding a user box saying this user is an adult? I saw that userbox once, but I can't find it anymore. Neptunekh (talk) 23:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find it either. Just keep a look out for it.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   23:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Pigeon articles
Hi Sting, after checking a couple more pigeon breed articles I had come to the same realisation and was going to revert the changes anyway. Sorry for the inconvenience. Cheers. Maias (talk) 22:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Aviculture/Pigeons Taskforce
Hi Sting. Would you be interested in joining an aviculture/pigeons taskforce as part of the Birds Wikiproject? --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 18:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Yes, it was proposed to make a subproject and personally I think there's enough material to justify an aviculture subproject, and a pigeon subproject below that. I guess you're right; we could create a subproject--just seemed as if it might make sense to do a taskforce first to see how much response we get. --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 23:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Hope you don't mind but I filched your pigeon fancier user box. :-) I think it would make most sense to either create an "aviculture" subproject and then a "columbiculture" subproject below that or to directly create a "columbiculture" subproject below the bird project.  What do you think?  --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 23:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

It may help us to get an aviculture subproject off the ground (pardon the pun) if everyone that is interested in working on it expresses their interest here: WikiProject Council/Proposals --OnorioCatenacci (talk) 09:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting--thanks for that edit on the Pigeon_keeping article. In fact, I think we should heavily refactor that article. Rather than rehash what I said, maybe you could take a look at the Pigeon Keeping Discussion page. --Onorio (talk) 19:23, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting -- I understand about the Category stuff but I thought aviculture basically covered any domesticated bird--including pigeons. I mean I know it covers Parrots and other hookbills but I also thought it includes poultry and pigeons--as I said basically any bird that mankind has modified from the wild type. Am I misunderstanding something? --Onorio (talk) 12:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting. I guess it comes down to how one understands the term "aviculture". And, yes, as I've seen it used here in the US it pretty much refers to cultivation of hookbills. So I guess in that sense I agree. But I got the impression that the project Snowman was promoting took a little broader interpretation of that term. Either way, I think you're right because I think that most people who are familiar with the term aviculture associate it with hookbills.--Onorio (talk) 15:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting
Thanks for I all you done for me. Hey I'm just curious it's say on your userpage you're from Australia? I'm from Canada! What part of Austrailia are you from you? I'm from Vancouver! Please reply back to me ok! Bye! Neptunekh (talk) 15:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Issues With Pigeon Articles
Hi Sting, I understand if you feel that you can't support the aviculture project. I don't think we need a project to improve the pigeon articles--would just make it a little easier to coordinate effort is all. I know I'm intending to keep on improving the pigeon articles as best I can and I know you are too.

Speaking of the pigeon articles there are a few subjects about which I'd like to hear your thinking:


 * Standards: On some breeds there are differing breed standards between the US and Europe and maybe in South Africa and Australia too.  I think the best thing to do would be to include all the breed standards we can find and identify the endorsing organization.  What do you think?
 * No real need for a breed standard in a breed article. In Oz the general practice is to use Country of origin breed standard for a particular breed. I think Europe uses that practice also. The USA tends to make their own standards. A breed article can live without a full breed standard being included. A summary of breed characteristics is all that is needed. Main thing is to find references for the breed.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Breed Groups: Do you think we should add to each breed description which breed group it falls under in European and US and Australian breed groupings? Think we might add that as a category to each article?
 * Again I wouldn't worry about groupings. Add see also wikilinks to some articles to link to similar breeds i.e pouters & croppers etc. Most countries recognise fancy, flying and utility so that grouping can be considered as pretty much universal. Someone did stuff up the list of pigeon breeds a while ago but I reverted things back. Try to keep the articles written from a rest of world perspective. Can't do that with breeds like American Show Racers etc, but no point getting bogged down with explaining minor differences in how breeds are grouped. --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Pigeon Judging: I think we would be wise to create an article on the different judging styles in different places where pigeons are kept. I know European judging is different from US judging and I don't know how it's done in Australia or South Africa or the UAE or any other place where pigeons are kept.   What do you think?
 * No. An article on Pigeon Shows is a good idea. That could include a section/s on judging styles. If sections get big enough to warrant an article i.e. have their own WP:RS refs then split them off then and only then.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I look forward to hearing from you and continuing to work together to improve the articles here regarding domesticated pigeons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OnorioCatenacci (talk • contribs) 11:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm replying here this time. I see SineBot beat you to the draw ;-) --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   11:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to sign my last message. I'll read over your responses and if I have anything intelligent in response, I'll respond.--Onorio (talk) 19:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You're correct about the copyright issues but I wouldn't think it would be difficult to secure permission to put those standards on the web. I would think a bigger issue would be reliable sourcing for history and such. And if we were to simply reproduce the breed standard, it'd probably make about as much sense to simply attach a pdf file of the breed standard that people can download. Maybe we could look at what the dog and cat fanciers have done (assuming they've done anything with Wikipedia) and use that as a sort of template.

As far as a digital camera and access to pigeon shows, I've got both but the show season is pretty much done over here till October or so. There's also the issue of securing permission to use an image of a pigeon that you don't own. I don't know what the copyright laws say about that sort of thing so we need to research that too I'd guess.

--Onorio (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Youtube link removal
Hi. You recently removed a just-added Youtube link from the honey bee article; that same editor has added that link or similar ones from youtube to several pages now - on the whole, they do seem relevant to the articles that they were added to, so I'm wondering what WP policy has been violated by the link, and whether the other additions need to be removed as well? Dyanega (talk) 17:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply here.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   10:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting
Hi Sting! How are doing? Sting is there anyway I can see a picture of you? Here's a picture of me: http://photos.connectingsingles.com/dating/184/British_Columbia_personals_375994.jpg What do you think? Neptunekh (talk) 11:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC) Let me know ok? Bye! Neptunekh (talk) 11:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply here.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   11:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

More Pigeon Article Discussion
Hi Sting, I'd also like to start developing articles regarding certain pigeon publications. Magazines (both in and out of print), books (The Pigeon, J C Lyell's Fancy Pigeons, Moore's Columbariaum), and key people related to pigeon keeping (Wendell M. Levi, William Pensom, Willard Hollander). I had a couple of things I wanted to ask you:


 * Do you think I should proceed with this idea?


 * Where do you think they'd fit in the hierarchy of articles already in place?

I am interested in your thoughts on this Sting.--Onorio (talk) 22:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply here.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   12:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

That was a good addition to the pigeon keeping article Sting. --Onorio (talk) 01:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

German Pigeon Club Links
Hi Sting, I noticed you added an alert that those two links I added were in German (thanks for that, because I didn't realize I needed to identify that) and I noticed you mentioned something about footnoting them later. I'm not sure I'm following you--why do they need to be footnoted? If someone doubts the veracity of what's being said they can just follow the link. Or am I missing something? --Onorio (talk) 15:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, thanks for the fix up. I think I've improved the situation with the cites regarding the German pigeon clubs in the Pigeon keeping article but take a look and see what you think. --Onorio (talk) 01:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Australia-New Zealand relations is ACOTF
Australia-New Zealand relations is the new Australian collaboration. You voted for the article, so please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis Talk 14:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Stinger Report Page
Thank you Veinor for your support in helping us understand the requirements of what is quite a different process than we are use to. I would however request Sting that he dose not allude to The Stinger Report as "amounts to email spam", no matter meant as a question, this can be taken the wrong way. In answer to your last points:


 * Writing Style / Tone - we were accused of being too 'advertorial', so the page has been nearly completely re-written and toned down


 * References - we were asked to change the quotes to reference about us, and not written by us. This has been down, with the insertcredit.com reference removed - replaced for a interview with our founder that dose explain the service and inclusion of a bio written about us for the GameDeveloper Conference session


 * Links - all links were re-drafted and presented as requested

You have to understand that we created this page as a number of Wiki pages / categories (Exergaming, Simulator Rides, Video Arcades etc.,) are using quotes, links or direct cuts from the Stinger Report and we felt a pages was needed - it would seem weird that they can use our material but we are unable to have a page.

Finally I am concerned that because of the size of the amusement media scene we are used widely by the trade and have a established track record, but are limited to references other than our work being used by everyone. I notice our industries largest trade journal (RePlay) has not been given a Wiki entry because it only has its reference. Is this the case for Wiki entry, as I feel uncomfortable to a possible exclusion of amusement trade? Stingerreport (talk) 01:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The above comments cut and pasted from this AfD.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   03:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The article claims that The Stinger Report is "a free subscription service with subscribers from around the world." How many actual "subscribers" are there?--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   03:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Stinger Report is circulated to over 10,000 subscribed and verified email addresses over six times a month. Subscribers can sign up at the web site or approach the Stinger directly. This is stated in the Page, though the circulation number is not as it was claimed that this would be 'puffing' us up if we reported our numbers?? Dose this address your question? 84.9.85.219 (talk) 10:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes that answers my question thank you.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   22:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

The Seventh Coin
Hi Sting! Would you mind editing a page called the Seventh coin? I added to that page recently? Here's the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Coin Thanks!Neptunekh (talk) 00:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

More Modifications To Pigeon Keeping
Hi Sting, in continuation of our on-going efforts to improve the Pigeon keeping article, I added page numbers to those citations that I could trace down to a page in a book and I added a bit more to the pigeon housing section of the article. Just wanted to give you a heads up.--Onorio (talk) 22:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Loft vs. Coop: I've heard them called "coops" far more than I've heard them called "lofts"--by several different pigeon fanciers. Maybe the word "coop" to refer to the pigeon house is a more American usage. If you asked me what they're generally called here in the US, I'd say "coop". You can revert the wording if you like but I think the difference is mostly semantic and honestly, I hear (and have heard all of my life) them referred to more often as a pigeon coop than as a loft. Since I have heard them referred to both ways, I used the word "sometimes" to indicate that pigeon fanciers use both names (so far as I know). I mean, as far as I know fanciers in the UK and Scotland refer to them as cotes or crees (I've seen that word used for pigeon houses in several articles in newspapers in the UK) and certainly that would allow for a name other than "loft". I had pigeons for several years in my youth and I've had them again for about 15 years as an adult so I am also speaking from some experience (as I know you are).

Upon further reflection, I guess the word "generally" would be more appropriate in this context. I'll leave in my remarks above for whatever they're worth but I think you've got a valid point on that issue and I'll revert that wording.

Maybe you can fix the Levi references so that they are named and yet they also retain the page numbers. That's what I was trying to achieve (adding proper page numbers to the references, I mean) and when you name them only the first page number is referenced. Try it in the sandbox and see if I'm wrong--I may be missing something. To me, it's more important to keep the page number in the reference than it is to have them all named with the same name. Perhaps there is some other usage of the ref tag that might be appropriate in this case? As far as I can tell, they're not all referring to the same page of "The Pigeon" so I think it's more appropriate to list them singly. I think the correct case would be for them all to have the same name only if they're referring to the exact same source (down to the page I would think). I would think that if we want to get Pigeon keeping to Good Article status we need to reference specific page numbers in books where it's possible. Again, if I've misunderstood something, please feel free to correct me.--Onorio (talk) 00:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply moved to here.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting au</b>  Buzz Me...   06:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I hadn't really had time to respond to your last message.

As far as I'm concerned whether or not that Pigeon keeping article ever gets GA status or FA status, I want to make it as useful as I can for novice pigeon fanciers that may need to use it for reference. I would like to make it sufficiently rigorous such that it can be recognized as a GA or FA but the main reason for being rigorous is for my own satisfaction as a person who cares about propagating knowledge. If a novice fancier has a question, what's the harm in putting the page number in The Pigeon in the citation so they can find the relevant text in the book if they care to? I guess it comes down to the question of who is the audience for the articles. I don't see where there's a huge conflict between making the articles useful to novice pigeon fanciers and still fairly accessible to a non-fancier.

I can see your point about a separate notes section since so many of the citations are from The Pigeon. I guess I'll work on putting in a notes section soon. --Onorio (talk) 01:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, I expect you've got the page on your watch list but in case you don't I put a note on the pigeon keeping talk page. Please give it a look and let me know what you think if you care to.--Onorio (talk) 23:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

List_of_fictional_characters_who_can_manipulate_water
Hi! I added to the page List_of_fictional_characters_who_can_manipulate_water. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_characters_who_can_manipulate_water I did something wrong on that page. Would you mind fixing it? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 03:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Pigeon Keeping
Hi Sting. I need to print up the WP:MOS and keep it handy when I make edits. Thanks for the fix-ups! --Onorio (talk) 19:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting,

I would like to know your thoughts on a couple of questions:


 * 1) You wrote on 22 April 2008 that you don't think the Pigeon keeping article is a good candidate for GA. Do you still think it's not a good candidate for the work to bring it up to GA status?  If so, would you care to share your thoughts on why it's not a good candidate?  Should I be focusing work elsewhere?  I am a bit happier with it now because I think, if nothing else, the prose flows a little better.
 * 2) Is there any reason we can't resubmit Pigeon keeping for peer review to see if we can't get the rating raised from Start class on the quality scale? I mean, I don't want to constantly pester those folks who are doing the reviews but I do believe some significant improvements have been made to that article and even if it's not up to GA standards, I believe it's better than "Start". But if it's considered bad form to ask for a review again before a certain amount of time has passed or something of that sort, I'd rather not be pestering people. --Onorio (talk) 11:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Pigeon keeping has been submitted for review. If nothing else, hopefully some good comments will come out of it to help us to better tune the article and get it closer to GA status.--Onorio (talk) 21:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Ok--I mistakenly thought that the folks in the Bird Project would be able to mark the article GA. Thanks for setting me straight on that. And looking at the stuff for GA status, I can see you're very right; it still needs a lot of work. So I think I'll try to get some time to work on it a bit more in the next couple of weeks before I submit it for GA review. Thanks again. --Onorio (talk) 21:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, please let me know what you think of the latest edits when you get a chance. I added a bit to the introductory paragraphs. I removed the section on "Disciplines associated with pigeon keeping" because even though we know that it's true, I can't think of a single written source to support the statements I was making. And I added a section on commercial pigeon keeping. That part is little more than a stub at this point, of course, but I think it's germane to the article and certainly something that should be covered in the article.--Onorio (talk) 00:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, I used the phrase "People who keep pigeons" because it has better parallelism with the title of the article than the phrase "People who breed pigeons". Is there something in the WP:MOS that says that you cannot link with a different word than the referenced link? If there is, would you please point it out to me because I didn't see it.--Onorio (talk) 12:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I understand your point now (about breed/keep and the disambiguation page). I mistakenly thought you had some objection to the wording. --Onorio (talk) 00:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Judy Moran
To be honest I have little real interest in the subject or the whole "underbelly" "Melbourne crime war" thing. I just thought that keeping the article was the obvious end to the discussion and I was puzzled to see the AfD end in deletion. I raised the issue with the closing admin for clarification, especially as I generally have a great deal of respect for Bduke's judgement in these matters. If you take it to DRV, I will support overturning the decision on the basis of my message on his talk page but I have no real interest in improving the article. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 23:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Pigeon racing
Sorry mate, didn't see the citation there. :)

Anyway, I'd like to restart the push to get pigeon racing to at least GA status. You and I are probably the two users with the most edits on the article, so I'm sure with some teamwork (as well as recruiting others!) we could get this article up there. What do you think? A bbo tt 7 5 ღ 07:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done a few edits to the article tonight. One thing it needs is a good lead section, any ideas on that? Also, I've created Category:Wikipedian pigeon fanciers, this should help us fanciers find one another and beg for help :P A bbo tt 7 5  ღ 09:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Domestic Pigeons proposal
I have proposed a WikiProject on domestic pigeons to help overcome many of the problems and inconsistancies relating to Wikipedia's coverage of domestic pigeon related topics. Please follow this link and show your support! A bbo tt 7 5 ღ 09:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Pigeon keeping
Hi Sting, I'm working on getting Jean Hansell's book on the History of Pigeons but if you could possibly look at the new section I've added on commercial aspects of pigeon keeping and see if it

a.) Accords with your own background and experience

and

b.) is supportable with materials from your reference books

I would appreciate your review and your opinion and of course any grammatical help and citations you care to add. --Onorio (talk) 01:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Domesticated pigeons task force
Rather than waiting for the Wikiproject process which could take quite some time and may not even be worth the trouble, I created a domesticated pigeons task force within WP:BIRDS.--Onorio (talk) 01:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, Thanks for the kind words about starting the task force. As I said to someone else I just couldn't see a good reason to hold off any more--not like a task force needs the votes that a WikiProject does. Hopefully it will just give us a good place to organize our efforts. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated since you seem to know your way around WikiPedia far better than do I. I'm just feeling my way along and trying not to blunder too badly. --Onorio (talk) 23:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See--much smarter than am I. :-) You found all those articles in no time flat; I hadn't even gotten around to looking yet.  I'm still kind of feeling my way around about what happens to identify the articles as being within the realm of the domesticated pigeon task force.  I also notice there's an article on Cher Ami (which is very cool).  Maybe we could work on getting it GA (although it looked pretty strong to me already--maybe they just need to schedule it for a peer review or something). --Onorio (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting, --Onorio (talk) 11:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Feel free to move the userbox if it's more appropriate for it to be in the Template: space. I had a hard time even getting the  template going in the first place :-)
 * 2) I wasn't quite sure how to fill in "source" and "author" on that image. The picture was from a photographer that I hired to take pictures at the Grand National when it was held here in Mt. Clemens, Michigan.  Is there a help page that specifies how to fill in those parameters?
 * 3) THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for creating that shortcut!:-) That was driving me crazy. :-)  I thought to myself--the shortcut I came up with sure wasn't much of a shortcut! I couldn't figure it out and thank goodness you could and did fix that.

Dovecote page updates
Yes, a lot of the history and architecture items were translated directly from the French page for colombier. Please mark as such if you know how to. As for other updates, I have added my reference notes on the paragraph.BME (talk) 23:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Cher Ami, GI Joe and Overcategorization
I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree Sting. I don't believe that tagging Cher Ami or GI Joe with domesticated pigeons is inappropriate or overcategorization. I think that both Cher Ami and GI Joe are certainly germaine to a discussion of domesticated pigeons because they're both an important part of the history of domesticated pigeons' service to mankind.--Onorio (talk) 01:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you see them in Category:Domestic pigeons? I put them there and that's where they belong.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   02:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Stanthorpe
The article says Stanthorpe was buit by tin miners. I did not understand this clearly. If tin miners built this town for mining purpose, then are the mines till exists today? Are mining has influence on local economy today? If not why?  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 11:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ice Pigeon
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 * Hey Sting, did you look at that ipedia.net website? It looks like they lifted stuff from WP.--Onorio (talk) 15:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes it's a Wiki "mirror" site. The Bots see them and think we are copying them, when it is they who have copied the formats we use on the Wikipedia pigeon breed articles.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   00:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Tumbler
This is a tricky one - I assume, incidentally, that it is never Short-faced? The convention is that unless a proper noun, only the first word is capitalised. However there is an exception, due mainly to strong resistance from WP:BIRDS, that individual projects can vary this, and all bird species are fully capped. Now, breeds are species, but List of pigeon breeds caps throughout]], so I'd be inclined to go for it and make sure you put the project box on the talk page. jimfbleak (talk) 06:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've made the change to all capitals as "proper names" in WP:NAME supports the capitalization.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   00:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Talkheader
When you create a talk page of an article, please try to add the talkheader.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 07:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * May be talkheader is not under any policy, but generally usage of talkheader is considered a complete task and it looks good to add the talkheader at the top of an article talk page.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 08:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Daylesford
No, I was just passing through, on a trip along the Midland Highway from Ballarat to Shepparton today. I am not from around Daylesford, although I have had a (very good) meal at the Farmers Arms a few years back. I live in the Riverina, but my family live in Bacchus Marsh. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 12:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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Pigeons gain in popularity
Hi Sting; I just had to laugh when I noticed that you cited that article from the Ann Arbor news in the pigeon keeping article as reference to justify pigeons gaining in popularity. I take it you noticed who was mentioned (and quoted) in the article? Small world, eh? :-) --Onorio (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh and thanks for setting up that shortcut on the talk page for the Domestic Pigeon task force. I still haven't quite grokked how the shortcut template works--I wanted to make that shortcut myself but I can't quite follow what one needs to do to make that work. So I'm glad you boldly added that shortcut. The shortcut will make life much simpler. --Onorio (talk) 17:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

“minor” edits, Wikipedia talk:Notability (schools)
I don’t think that a comment worth making on a talk page should be marked as minor. A post, as a new section, proposing that the perennial and contested proposal be approved as a guideline (and de-faco policy, as I have argued), is definitely not minor. Do you understand that many users have their watch lists set to ignore minor edits, and that when you inappropriately mark edits as minor, it might be seen as an act of stealth? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My reply here.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   10:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Pigeon stubs
I just noticed that the work we do is very similar. You work on Pigeon articles, including breed stubs, and I do sheep and chickens. After reading a good selection of the articles from List of pigeon breeds, I have one suggestion. In the first sentence of the breed stubs, I think an alternative approach would be better. Rather than saying that "...is a breed developed over many years of selective breeding", which is common to all animal breeds, instead state the obvious by something like "the Example Pigeon is a breed of fancy pigeon originating in Exampleland." Talking about where it came from, or perhaps the purpose it was bred for (i.e. if it's a racing pigeon or a utility) is more helpful to someone like me that knows next to nothing about the species than pointing out the obvious, that a breed was bred. Good luck, Van Tucky 02:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, if you're looking for a breed infobox template to work from, I just had Template:Infobox Chickenbreed created. You could either copy from that and alter it, or ask the creator to do one for you. Van Tucky 19:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll whip something up for you.  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  17:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Poultry isn't really my forte. Pigeons are poultry right?  Anyways a draft is at Infobox Pigeonbreed.  If anything needs added; especially in the traits section (that confused me), lemme know!  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  18:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The Pigeon
Hey there. Looking at the pigeon group at the bird wikiproject, I noticed one of your goals is the creation of an article or something involving the book The Pigeon by Levi. Is this book very rare? Because the Powell's in my neighborhood has a pristine original copy for $35 bucks. I'd be happy to buy it, and maybe we could work out a way for you to borrow it. Van Tucky 19:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Pigeon Infobox
Hi,

I do not have a book to reference for the breed grouping for the English Fantail in the US. I never had to provide a book reference to anyone here because we all know that it's in the fancy pigeon group. My dad has the US NPA standards book and I'm sure I could find the fantail and which group it's considered to be in in that book but I'm not sure that it will be explicitly stated there either. It's simply common knowledge among people who raise pigeons in the US--fantails are in the fancy group and when a best fancy pigeon is picked at a large show, the champion fantail is considered too. I backed off the alternate breed grouping anyway.

While we're discussing the topic of breed groupings, maybe we should modify the infobox to contain at least those three major organizations as part of the template: Australian NPA, US NPA, and the EE (which is the overarching org in Europe). The EE puts fantails in the "Structure Pigeon Group" which is different than Australia or the US.

I backed off the German name for the breed but I thought it was appropriate to add the German name for the breed because of the name of the jpg file you're using in the infobox. I thought if someone did an edit on that infobox they may want to know which language that name Pfautaube.jpg came from. That's the only reason I added that alternate name. --Onorio (talk) 23:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I'm sort of thinking of (I'm not the world's best with templates but hopefully this will give you the idea of what I'm thinking of)

--Onorio (talk) 23:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sting,

I would rather that we move the discussion about the infobox to the task force talk page. I realize the task force is basically you and I but I hope that someday we have other people join us in our efforts and it'd be good to have a history of the discussion behind certain decisions available to them. --Onorio (talk) 02:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Catching Up
Hi Sting,

Sorry I've not been able to contribute much of late; I've been fairly busy so far this summer. I hope I get some more free time within the next week or two so I can start contributing again.

Oh and if you're interested, I'm going to get a copy of a reprint of Moore's Columbarium (the 1735 book) very soon. I'm looking forward to reading it to glean good historical information. I hope at some point I can find a reprint of Willoughby's Ornithology. I just find reading those old books so interesting.

Are you going to pigeon shows? If so, how are your birds showing? I hope you're doing well.--Onorio (talk) 12:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Zitterhalls
Hi Sting, I just wanted to mention that I noticed your correction about the plural of Zitterhall (Zitterhal?) on the list of pigeon breeds and I think I now understand your point about the use of non-English words like, for example, Pfautaube. I know this is a bit after the fact and it's probably unimportant but I did want to let you know that I think I understand your point of view a bit better because I thought the same thing as I'm sure you thought--"Who cares what the German plural is--this is WP in English".

I would still like to figure out some way of capturing the information about the different breed groups in different major areas of showing pigeons but I haven't come up with anything better than our last discussion and even I can see some of the flaws in my proposed approach.

You think we might invite people like User:Jimjenner and the one that made that change to Zitterhal to join the DP Task Force?--Onorio (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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Pigeon Infobox
Hi Sting, I would have figured you'd have the domestic pigeon task force talk page watched but in case you don't, I did add some further discussion to the issue about how the pigeon infobox should be laid out--specifically the question of handling conflicting breed groups among different national organizations. I also realize you may just not have had time to reply yet; I just wanted to make sure you're aware of what I added.

You also beat me to the punch on that one edit to pigeon racing--the one regarding pigeon flying. I was going to revert it; the only thing that held me up was the thing about the redirection. I wasn't quite sure if I should remove it (the redirection/disambiguation) or leave it.--Onorio (talk) 11:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of the Influx Project article
Our articles was flagged for speedy deletion the other day, and then promptly deleted without giving us any chance to edit etc..

The article wasn't finished and there were lots more edits to do an more information to add?

Please could you tell me how i can add an article without having it immediately deleted or what exactly the article about our company/project needs to include!?

Influxproject (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Colony Collapse Disorder
Please provide proof that EVDO has been discredited. To date, there has NOT been any proof that EVDO is NOT the cause of this. There is MORE Evidence that proofs EVDO MAY be the cause of this issue as I have stipulated within the article. Provide me with proof and I will step down. Until then the "POSSIBLE CAUSE" for EVDO Services should stay. Cyberglobe (talk) 03:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Posted in the Discussions
Please check the discussions page EVDO Cellular Study Where is it? for more information. Cyberglobe (talk) 03:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah but I know what your REAL agenda is ;-) Two editors have removed that crap from the page. Better for you to go with WP:CONSENSUS. Find another editor who wants to help you push the POV barrow and you might have some chance of the information staying there. In any case a short summary would suffice. Not the mountain of rubbish you added to spoil a "good" article.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   05:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My article was to present some proof that there may be a link between EVDO and CCD. Hence why I placed it in the section Probable Causes.  Cyberglobe (talk) 06:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "proof that there may be" Now that's started my day off with a good laugh :-)--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   22:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Why me? Why?
Why do you keep reverting my edits? It is as though you hate heartfelt contributions. 203.158.54.190 (talk) 00:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Please do not change the format which is evident on the Brisbane Wikipedia Page, it is noticed that in nearly all cities in Australia and the World that a picture is shown within the image box of the infobox. Other maps and other images can be provided below this infobox, as shown in the Sydney Page. Thank-you for your co-operation and please feel free to update or help improve information within the Brisbane Page and other related pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lav90 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to take a good look at the talk page of the Brisbane article. Your edits amount to vandalism in my opinion. They should definitely be considered as vandalism, because if you had been following the discussion you wouldn't have just added content against the current consensus. Your edits are disruptive and I see from your history you have previously been blocked. Try and work in with other editors please. Oh, and please sign your posts on talk pages.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   23:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

US Breed Groups
Hi Sting,

I thought you might like to know that I recently borrowed my dad's copy of the NPA standards book. While many breeds are still in the "Fancy" group, others that I would have guessed would be fancy are listed in other groups (for example--"Rare"). I don't think the groupings in the book will affect the two articles to which we've added those infoboxes but I'll double check. I'm fairly sure they (the NPA) are working on putting together a new standards book and I know I've heard discussion of them adopting the EE breed groupings but unless and until that happens, I guess the current breed standards book should be considered authoritative on this point.

Oh and while I'm thinking of it--do you know of a guideline regarding references for the stuff in those infoboxes? I mean, is adding a reference to a book or article about--oh for example, the original country of a particular breed--is that considered bad form?--Onorio (talk) 13:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Ioffer
Hi! I created a page called Ioffer. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioffer Would you mind editing it? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 16:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No page there? Looks like it must have been deleted.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   11:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

protection of Origin of religion

 * Casual vandalism I'm sure the editors there could cope with, it's "sock hydras" like this that cause issues! The protection is only for a week to see if he can find another hobby... if people would stop carrying on like that in the first place, we wouldn't need it.  Ironically he probably could have gotten some of his content in if he'd stopped to talk with people rather than sprouting heads.  -- tiny plastic Grey Knight &#x2296; 09:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Please get up to speed
Sting au, please do not revert edits to the vandal version that Muntuwandi's socks are promoting. If you think there is worthwhile content there collect it, and think about how it can get integrated into Origin of religion and come back in a week to that page when protection expires and edit constructively. There is a history here that you are probably unaware of, but I'm giving you solid advice. Trust me.PelleSmith (talk) 11:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sting, the point about the history is not relevant to me, but to you. I don't care about the history existing, but I do care that the redirects stay as they are until such time that some actual discussion has been had--given that the version you reverted to is a banned users pet version, to which his reversions has caused much disruption in the past I don't think this is too much to ask.  There is absolutely no reason to keep the page live for the intentions you have, so just use the information in the page history.  I did not accuse you of being his sock, I'm just giving you good advice.  When a newish user shows up and reverts to a version that several socks are editing warring over it never "looks" good--to me or to anyone else.  I'm perfectly willing to AGF, but you might want to think about a less radical approach that involves discussion and playing it safe when it comes to the sock masters favorite version of the entry.  That's all I'm saying.PelleSmith (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion will be continued at ArbCom. Checkout reversion at Development of religion.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also any interested admins check Origin of religion and possible WP:GHBH issues.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way that's a pretty big failure to WP:AGF, and I note you made that comment from your very first entry into fiasco. Go ahead and waste Arbcom's time.PelleSmith (talk) 13:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry it wont be a waste of time. If nothing else I'll learn from it. I'll gather more evidence of article splitting, redirecting and losing article information in the circle of redirects. I'm not saying you by the way. You seem to be getting a tad aggressive about all this. Just relax and let the discussion at ArbCom try and sort things out.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   13:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Arbcom? WP:GHBH. On what grounds?  Maybe this discussion should first make its way to CheckUser.PelleSmith (talk) 12:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. You allege that there are "conflict of interest issues" with my having protected origin of religion.  Um, what?  It is protected to stop a serial sockpuppeteer from continuing to edit-war on the page.  I would love to know how I have a conflict of interest... Sam Korn (smoddy) 13:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and another thought. If you disagree with an admin's actions, it's polite to inform them so they can explain themselves.  Sam Korn (smoddy) 13:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Some information for you
Let's run through what's happening with origin of religion and related articles. There is a user -- Muntuwandi -- who wanted a particular version of the page to be created. He edit-warred over it and is now banned, at least in part due to the huge number of sockpuppets whom he created to edit-war with him. This has been going on for some time. I became involved when PelleSmith filed a request for checkuser attention regarding the case. I have mass-reverted his socks -- I have no opinion on his contributions. My only reversions have been to remove the postings of a banned user, as is permitted under policy. To explain the extent of this, I have blocked 39 sockpuppets of Muntuwandi. Alison has blocked a few more. The page is protected because blocking the users has made no difference. I am hoping that protecting the page for a while will make him go away and stop edit-warring and socking.

The article "evolutionary origins of religion" has been deleted as it was the creation of a banned user. This is one of the criteria for speedy deletion.

I am not an involved admin. I have no opinion on the article -- I haven't really read enough of either side's version to have formed an opinion.

I don't know what "abusive email" you have received from PelleSmith. My personal suggestion is that you ignore it. If you want to pursue it further, dispute resolution is that way.

If you have any more issues to raise, please do.

Sam Korn (smoddy) 09:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Pigeon Task Force Talk Page
Hi Sting,

Just wanted to give you a heads up. The archive bot removed some threads of conversation from the Pigeon Task Force talk page. I've fixed up the references for the archive link at the top of the page. So the oldest conversations are now archived. Do you know if it's customary to protect such archived pages from revision or do people just watch them to make sure they're not changed? --Onorio (talk) 13:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Interested editor
I am a contributing editor to the origin and development of religion pages who has attempted to stay out of the edit battles but admits to frustration over the difficulties these pages have seen recently. Please keep me in the loop regarding any discussion or actions surrounding these pages either on my talk page or the article talk pages. Thanks! Mmyotis  (^^o^^)  14:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of my comments go on article talk pages. I'm pleased someone else is showing an interest in this. I have concerns of WP:GHBH issues as you may have read. I'll try to keep you posted if something important comes up. Otherwise just keep "watching" the pages in question please.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   23:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi User:Sting_au: you could use oldid to point out old versions of a page if you think they have content worth a merge. Might be helpful if you're planning to merge several active pages together, that sort of thing can be a bit of a moving target! Well, or you can just use the "permanent link" item directly, but oldid does the same thing prettier. ;-) There has been so much "churn" on these pages that I think nobody knows what's what anymore, so referring to static versions will probably help if you're wanting to clean the thing up.

It's usually considered anywhere from "recommended" to "required" to try some other form of dispute resolution before the Arbitration Committee: There are other things available on Dispute resolution, but the Arbitration Committee are pretty much the slowest and least efficient one of them (no offence to any Arbitrators reading!) :-)  -- tiny plastic Grey Knight &#x2296; 16:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you think there's some user(s) that are central then you might try Mediation or Requests for comment/User conduct
 * If you think it revolves around the article(s), there is an RFC already open on the talk page; you could put a notice on the Village Pump if you want to attract more attention. -- tiny plastic Grey Knight &#x2296; 16:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem is now that the Evolutionary origins of religion has been salted. No history I can get to for any possible merge? I must say I disagree with it being salted whilst discussion of possible merge of material was ongoing.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   23:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Try contacting someone from this list; a merger proposal sounds like a sensible reason for being allowed to view the data. I'm actually planning a net-break (hence a wikibreak too) in a few days, so I'm busy trying to get a few things finished before then, so I haven't a lot of time.  I did search for some previous related discussions, linked below; apologies for the "wall of links", but I figure linking to the discussions will help you look into things yourself rather than relying on another's interpretation of events.  Also it saves me time! :-)

There are some other old threads in the AN/I archives regarding some of the same users, but they are about different articles.
 * mediation
 * AFD & DRV
 * AN/I #1
 * AN/I #2 ( b)
 * AN/I #3
 * AN/I #4
 * AN/I #5
 * AN/I #6
 * AN/I #7 (current; will go to archives eventually)


 * I think the real root cause of all this is that the users involved have forgotten that Wikipedia is just a website, and it's not worth raising your blood pressure over. :-P I imagine User:PelleSmith was just frustrated due to forgetting that, personally I would just ignore the email.  While some of the activity &mdash; on both sides of the argument &mdash; has been a bit less than perfect, I think it's probably due to adrenaline rather than maliciousness.  Guys, the Internet is less important than your health!  Why don't you all have a cup of tea? :-)

As I understand CheckUser (User:Sam Korn can verify this, but I think it's right), the system isn't just for "is user X the same as user Y", but provides enough information that even alternate accounts not listed in the original check can be spotted. For example, there have been several cases where a RfCU has been made for "please check if user X is user Y" and a UserChecker has been able to come back and say "yes, and is also user Z and user W". Given the number of times User:Muntuwandi has been CheckUsered (lots), it seems pretty probably that, if he was a "Bad Hand" account of another user, it would have been spotted.

It is generally futile to speculate on the exact way a CheckUser request is carried out of course, which aren't generally made available for sensible reasons. But the UserCheckers are generally quite competent. You could email Sam Korn if you had specific concerns you didn't want to air in public (although bear in mind that there are very strict rules on what CheckUser information can be given out, ever) but other than that I would consider it fairly safe. Now if we could just get User:Muntuwandi to concentrate on persuading other users to support him rather than continually undermining himself... -- tiny plastic Grey Knight &#x2296; 09:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to say, this is all absolutely correct. Sam Korn (smoddy) 11:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

By the way, you mentioned on User talk:Sam Korn about "another administrator", but if that referred to me then I should point out that I'm not one! :-D -- tiny plastic Grey Knight &#x2296; 14:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I figured that :-) Cheers, --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   09:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

My Userboxes on my Userpage
Hi Sting! Rememeber me? Could you do me a favour? My userboxs on my userpage is mixed up. Would you mind fixing and rearranging my user boxs on my user page? Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neptunekh Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 04:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Just FYI
I merged your AN/I thread to : Administrators' noticeboard. – xeno  ( talk ) 02:23, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Buttertubs Marsh
Hi! I created a page called Buttertubs Marsh. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buttertubs_Marsh Could you edit it please? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 05:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

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Origin of religion
Would it be possible for people working on this article to provide descriptive edit summaries? Just doesn't seem to be much of it happening? Also starting to smell like fish again.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   11:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and edits being marked as minor when they are anything but.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   11:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no reason to provide editing summaries in reverting clear socks. No offense, but are you going start slinging around accusations again?  I note that you have done nothing to improve this entry.  Now that Muntuwandi returned to revert to his version once again and was reverted once again you show up to start whining about fishy smells.  FYI, he has used his own talk page and has said nothing about anyone else pretending to be him so these socks are clearly Muntuwandi and no one else.  I took offense the first time you started making accusations and will take offense once again.  Unless you are interested in improving the page I suggest you take a step back and think twice about just smearing people with these insinuations.  There is nothing fishy about a stubborn and blocked editor using socks to make his point.  Regards.PelleSmith (talk) 11:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and reverting the same sockmaster over and over and over again who does nothing but show up and wholesale revert to his favorite version of the page, does become "minor."PelleSmith (talk) 11:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Your edits were not marked as reverts. Once again could you please use edit summarys to explain what it is you are doing.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again you can do something other than just sitting there on your high horse handing out advice to editors acting in good faith some of whom you previously smeared with all kinds of unfounded insinuations without so much as an apology. Once again I suggest you step back and think about YOUR own editing/commentary first.  Once again I will suggest finding something productive to do, on this entry or another, instead of this nonsense.  Regards.PelleSmith (talk) 14:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI, I'll gladly use edit summaries for reverting sock vandalism if its that big of a deal to you, but I'm not gonna sit through another round of your "fishy" insinuations. Regards.PelleSmith (talk) 14:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * More at User talk:PelleSmith if anyones interested. Go through the archives too as he hides any complaints about his editing pretty quickly. He loves wiki dramas. Must be a bit of a drama Queen? Good at creating dramas too ;-)Wasting Checkusers time that sort of thing. Kind of like a fireman who starts fires so he can help put them out. Pretty much doesn't work on articles unless there is wholesale reverting going on. I guess he needs help really?--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   11:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, I do not hide anything in my archives "quickly". Recently I tried to take a break from the Wiki and archived the page for that purpose.  Please do go through my talk page history.  Until recent months I left stuff up there for years, however critical it may have been.  Do continue piling on the unfounded insults though ... PelleSmith (talk) 13:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please strike the personal attack per WP:NPA. I'm not sure what it so juvenile about reverting a sock puppet, nor do I see where the drama is.  Could you enlighten me?  I welcome you to actually work on the content of that entry, or the other one you made reference to on my talk page.  FYI, I haven't wholesale reverted anyone on SRA, and in fact I've asked other editors to specifically NOT do so themselves.  When socks show up to whole sale revert an entry back to a non-consensus version, what the responsible editor does is to revert the sock.  Do you not agree?  Checkusers are around specifically to identify sock puppets, and the particular Checkuser (Sam Korn) who was handling Muntuwandi specifically asked for reportage so that he could run the program and find more socks at the same time, which is why I kept on reporting them.  So what fires have I started?  I'm not sure I understand, unless now that its clear that Muntuwandi is socking on his own, you think I have been Muntuwandi all along.  Is that it?  Please do enlighten me and pretty please strike your personal attack.PelleSmith (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's you all right! Pretty obvious really. Now stop it and actually do some work on some articles. --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You have not stricken your personal attack, and I will ask you to do so again. Now, let me get this straight, you are accusing me of being User:Muntuwandi?  So you are accusing me of creating an OR version of Origin of religion so that I could argue against it as User:PelleSmith?  And this is the end result of escalating such a charade?  Now I'm actually pretty insulted. You call me juvenile but all you do is sling around completely unsupported accusations.  At first they were directed at Sam Korn, then Dab, now its clearly me because I'm the one who wont take your crap.  At first you thought one of us was faking the Muntuwandi socks, now that this is clearly not the case obviously I simply am Muntuwandi.  This is a preposterous and offensive untruth, not to mention that you've accused me of acting in a way that were it true I'd be permabanned from this encyclopedia.  I'll ask you for the last time, editor to editor, to strike your comments.PelleSmith (talk) 12:40, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

UCFD
Your comment may have been well-intentioned as a good-natured jab (as sarcasm often is), but it comes across as rather offensive. If that was not your intention, which I hope it was not, I thought you may want to know so that you could rephrase or clarify your statement. –Black Falcon (Talk) 18:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Lets see so "barely a step above pet lovers" wasn't offensive? It is all in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I agree my comment comes across as sarcasm, but I disagree with it being rather offensive. I read far worse on Wikipedia every day.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   11:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Not satisfied
Sting you really need to strike your personal attack above. How many times do I have to ask you about this?PelleSmith (talk) 12:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Mr/miss smith meanwhile spends his time yakking away on his personal blog at Satanic ritual abuse rarely making any content related contributions" Hahaha I love it ;-) --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   13:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Your insights are sorely needed at this policy page -- WP:GROWUP .PelleSmith (talk) 22:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that's irony. ;-) --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   23:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Serbian Highflier
Hi Sting,

I saw the edit for "Serbian Highflier" on the list of pigeon breeds and then saw the article and thought to myself, "I need to fix that".

Wow, you're quick. :-) Lately, I've not been quick about anything related to Wikipedia but wow, you're quick. :-)

I also wanted to ask your opinion on something related to that article; I have seen links to a "Serbian Highflier Club" here in the US but only links. I'm not sure if the page they were pointing at is even there any longer. If the page is still there do you think I should add something to the article about breeders in the US or not?--Onorio (talk) 13:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah go for it mate. I keep the breed myself so had a bit of info ready. I was just waiting for someone else to start the article as I previously had it deleted for lacking decent refs, and didn't want to be accused of bias by having an article on a breed I keep myself. There is not a lot of info out there about this breed. Never see them much at the shows (I show them) but they are fun to fly.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   00:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hodgkinsonite
Hi Sting! I made a small article about a mineral called Hodgkinsonite. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodgkinsonite Could you edit please? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Alexandra Powers
Hi Sting! I need your help in writing a article about a not very well-known actress nameed Alexandra Powers. What I do know about her is that she was born on 9 September 1967 in New York City and her birth name is Alexandra Kristin Powers. Her first role came in the TV film The Day After. She also had a small role in Mask (with Eric Stoltz, not Jim Carrey) and the TV series L.A. Law and 21 Jump Street. After DPS she starred in The Seventh Coin opposite Peter O'Toole and had small roles in The Player and Rising Sun. In 1994 she played Tonya Harding in the TV movie Tonya & Nancy: The Inside Story. Other roles have been in Bruce Willis' Last Man Standing, the Walter Matthau / Jack Lemmon comedy Out to Sea, and the tv movie Storm. But since 2001, she has devoted her life to Scientology. Here are refrence links to what I know about her: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0694490/ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0694490/bio http://www.filmreference.com/film/56/Alexandra-Powers.html http://www10.pair.com/crazydv/weir/dps/cast.html http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=24302. Please help me write a bio about this actress because I haven't written one yet! Thanks!Neptunekh (talk) 02:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Neptunekh, I'm not much on bio's but I've made a start for you here Alexandra Powers. So hopefully you can do the filmography and add more info to the lead? Otherwise I'll be back online later today and add what I can. Cheers, <b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   22:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Donek
Hi Sting,

If you get a chance, please look at talk:donek and please register your opinion regarding the question of categorization of the article. I'm sure it will be apparent from the discussion but we were having a discussion regarding adding the category "Turkish Words and Phrases" to the Donek article. I think it's overcategorization but I would like to hear your thoughts on this.--Onorio (talk) 23:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I had a look and my comment has been added to the talk page there.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Pigeon World Forum
Hello,

I've noticed you edit the "List of Pigeon Breeds" article and checked out your user page and seen that you are a pigeon lover like my brother.

I am trying to find new members for his pigeon forum, because he is just starting out and he only has three members. I hope that you will choose to join, if you have any questions contact me on my user talk page.

Here is the link to the forum:

The Pigeon World Forums --- Click Here!

Thank you very much for your time - ZEM (Hankengine) (talk) 02:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer, but I'm flat out keeping up with the pigeon discussion lists I belong to now. Tell your brother there are plenty of great pigeon email lists at Yahoo Groups. Pigeon groups at Yahoo. Cheers,--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   11:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for the link, we'll check it out. And I removed the ad for the forum from the List of pigeon breeds talk page. ZEM (Hankengine) (talk) 04:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

re WP:AIV report of
I have made a comment regarding the above editor at AIV which you may wish to respond to. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   23:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Newspaper
Well, we do, actually have a school article.

That is, based solely on our school.

I would like to just have that separate page though, to go into what I believe is some slight, well deserved detail of the history of the newspaper. Goglobalinfo (talk) 02:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you give me a link to the school article please? I must have missed it. The newspaper is not notable enough for a stand alone article here I'm sorry to say. Wikipedia can't act as the schools website.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   02:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright, fair enough.

Can you do me a favor and have both The Panther Patriot and The Addison High School Newspaper solo articles immediately deleted?

Thanks.

Goglobalinfo (talk) 02:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The Panther Patriot is currently a prod. You could blank the page and it could be CSD as you are the sole contributor. As for the Addison High School Newspaper article, let other editors know that you no longer want to keep the article (on the AfD page) and an admin may decide to snowball delete it? Don't get discouraged with Wikipedia though. You can put your talents to good use on other articles. Do remember that subjects need to be notable though and learn how to cite sources.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   02:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good.

By the way... what is CSD?

Also, I notice Addison has an article about The Addison Courier... a local newspaper that is no longer active. However, the article on that paper stands... as it does have a reference to the Lenawee Country Library.

It just so happens that there are copies of our actual school newspaper on file at that same library... if I were to use the same link to that library (for a school newspaper article) as is in the article for The Addison Courier... would my school newspaper article then become legitimate enough to stabnd alone?

Goglobalinfo (talk) 02:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * CSD means criteria for speedy deletion. If so tagged an admin can delete immediately if it meets the criteria. I still wouldn't bother with a seperate article on the school paper if I was you. Just a summary under a newspaper section on the school article should suffice. Oh, and I found your school article Addison Community Schools needs a fair bit of work before you worry about splitting off school paper articles in my honest opinion. It is no good arguing that X article exists so Y should be ok. You just need to concentrate sources which need to be reliable and verifiabe for your article.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   02:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

One last note - please also have The Panther Country Times wiki page deleted.

Thanks.

Goglobalinfo (talk) 05:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

right-wing article
Can you please step in on this. User:Amwestover keeps imposing "limited governments and free markets" as the defintion of right-wing while mine allows fo broader defintion.

''In politics, right-wing, the political right and the Right are terms applied to a variety of political beliefs. The term was originally used in France during the French Revolution to indicate support for the monarchy and the status quo. Later, it became associated with conservatism, neoliberalism, free markets and a wide range of related ideologies. The term today has different meanings in different countries.''

He keeps saying "the article's content supports it" but the article is incomplete and gives undue weight to liberatarian aspect of RWP.

Him and another user also keep deleting the Middle Eastern section with no regard for the citations.

Bobisbob2 (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes there is a lot of edit warring in the right-wing and left-wing political articles. A lot of POV stuff gets pushed around. I'm afraid that's the nature of the political beast so to speak. I revert edits at times and give my opinion on how things should be, but next time I log on things are completely changed again. It all gets a bit frustrating, but the Wikipedia format of "anyone can edit" means we are always going to be in a perpetual edit war on this topic. Having a cup of tea might be a better idea?--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

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Squab
Hi Sting - Are you sure you were right to delete my 'in the media' item in the Squab (food) article ? I acccept that it is certainly borderline trivia, but it seems to me useful to link a relatively unusual food to one or more instances when it appears in the 'real world'. I'm not a big fan of long lists of trivia on articles, but I do think that linking an article to other related items is helpful, and not irrelevant. I would NOT support linking the "Fish" article to the "Fish in a Drawer" episode, but it seems different to link the "Squab" artivle to the "Squab, Squab, Squab, Squab, Squab" episode, due to the rareness of squab and the specificity of the episode. 91.125.241.15 (talk) 14:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC) Mark
 * The article does look better without the "in the media" section which only contained your reference to the episode of "Two and a half men". The squab article is rated as a "good" article and the section you added only detracted from the appearance so it was the right thing to do in removing it.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   11:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You seem to be saying that appearance is more important than relevance, which doen't seem right to me. Anyway, I'm not that worried.  78.33.2.82 (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC) Mark

Care to explain
Would you care to explain this edit? You removed the fact tags without bothering to provide any sources that the states are secular and you restored the map despite several errors in it. Tagging unsourced information, and in some of these cases blatantly erroneous information is needed to identify possible errors. I don't consider your edit helpful in any way, especially as you didn't even care to provide any reasons for it. JdeJ (talk) 12:57, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * JdeJ don't leave tags through the article like you did. It looks messy. Use a section template if you must rave on about citations. Secondly READ the article. Thirdly get an education and learn about just what an "official secular" government is. Fair dinkum I just shake my head at the editing around this place sometimes. Do you know what a theocracy is? Do you know what a secular state is? --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>   Buzz Me...   13:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Scheler Article Thank You
Sting! Thank you vey much for your edits to my article on Max Scheler. You are obviously an expert at this Wikipedia stuff. This is my first article and everything is new for me. How do I approve your edits so that they stay in place? Let me know.

I have enjoyed my first Wikipedia experience, and feel motivated to do some more work.

Thank you kind sir.

--71.194.253.108 (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't need to actually "approve" my edits. Nothing is locked in place around here. Any editor can come along and change/remove anything you or I add. I was happy to help clean the article up, but I'm no expert.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   00:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Right-wing politics
Thanks for issuing a warning to me and not anyone else involved in the smear campaign going on at Right-wing politics. It clearly shows that you're completely unbiased in this matter. And thanks for also contributing to it! I truly value your reverts as well, because we really need more undue weight political articles. Don't worry, you'll be included in my report, too. --Amwestover (talk|contrib) 15:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey no problem :-) I look forward to the report. Might even result in a checkuser request? That and the 3R violation should see a troublemaker banned for a while.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   23:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Formatting question
Thanks, Sting, for your warm welcome to wikipedia on my talk page. I'm wondering how to right justify cells in wikitable, either (a) all cells or (b) selected cells or (c) all but selected cells. Thanks again. YBG (talk) 07:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Tables are a bit tricky. If I need one I generally cut and paste from a suitable one that works, and then adjust the information to suit. So I'm probably not the best person to answer your question. You could take a look at Help:Table as that article should have the information you are looking for.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   10:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Sting, this was helpful. I just finished converting the ingredient lists for Marmite into a table. YBG (talk) 23:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, looks great :-) You are an expert at tables already.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   23:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just hunting around for how to do Section linking -- and lo and behold, your reply showed me how!YBG (talk) 23:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

IFOAM article tagged "Unreferenced"
Hello Sting, thanks for your friendly welcome and work on the IFOAM article. I have a question regarding the "unreferenced" tab you put there. I've added two external references since then, to the ISEAL Alliance and the One World Trust - are these sufficient to remove the tag? What would you count as a reliable source of information about an international NGO, beyond what they publish about themselves?--Sjarrelkip (talk) 10:10, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * External links are not called external "references". Please see WP:RS and WP:CITE. The unreferenced tag will have to stay until the article is referenced correctly. --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   13:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! I started a Reference List now - hope I got it right this time.--Sjarrelkip (talk) 16:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Rivers of Victoria Template
Thanks! Yeah, I also changed the colour of the template and it only shows up in the articles that i added the template to after i had changed it, in other words; it's not refreshing. Some templates have a refresh link but I'm not sure what to do in this case. I'll go around a updated them so they refresh. Nick carson (talk) 11:57, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I don't know how to make the template auto refresh either? There must be a method though.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Dja Dja Wurrung
Thanks for your feedback. I have been trying to get the Victorian Indigenous articles up to scratch for a while. I started off concentrating on the Wurundjeri, and have broadened my scope to documenting the various language groups/nations of Victorian Aborigines - a large and fairly specialised job, including drawing the Map of Victorian Aboriginal Tribes. The Dja Dja Wurrung are the second language group I have tried to bring up to a reasonable standard. I think I am nearly finished the Category:Dja Dja Wurrung for the moment - a visit to my local library supplied some great reference texts. I might leave John Stuart Hepburn for the moment, perhaps you may care to start it? I am going to concentrate on Tunnerminnerwait and Maulboyheenner who lead a rebellion in 1841 in westernport and Gippsland, and were the first judicial executions in Melbourne.--Takver (talk) 01:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for sending me that link to the Norm Darwin history. I had come across it years ago, but did not locate it recently while writing/updating the article on the Dja Dja Wurrung. I shall add it as an external link as it contains a lot of detail I have not covered.--Takver (talk) 02:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've created a start article for Tunnerminnerwait as there has been so much media about the memorial project in Melbourne in 2014 Aliaretiree (talk) 12:11, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hepburn picture
Given that is almost certain that the photograph was taken in Australia and before 1 January 1955, section B of PD-Australia should apply. Don't forget to upload it to Commons so it can be used on other wikis. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 12:11, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays
Hi, Sting! Thanks for your welcome to en-wiki at my talk page. Happy Holidays and best wishes in the New Year! Krasss (talk) 07:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Anal Stage
Why are you reverting my edits? I feel the fixations of Anal Stage should be in the Anal Stage article only. It is not required for each anal fixation to have a seperate article, the anal fixations should be mentioned in the anal stage. Cube b3 (talk • contribs) 11:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * They are stand alone articles. No consensus to redirect the pages. No comments on any talk page about what you were doing. Did you read the message at the topof this talk page before posting your message? You didn't did you. Did you sign your message? Take a bit of time and take a bit of care and stop redirecting pages that do not need redirecting.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   11:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Help with my article: Kandy Kruise
Hi Sting,

Thanks for your help with my article: Kandy Kruise, especially in correcting the presentation of a news reference. This is my first Wikipedia article, but I've learned a lot so-far.

-Glenn

Glenn Francis (talk) 00:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes there is lots to learn. Good luck with editing the articles. I like your photographs.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   12:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Rock dove pictures
You might want to have a look at the two nominations at WP:FPC. Cheers! Narayanese (talk) 21:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea the discussion was taking place. I have added my opinion.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   02:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:CAP
Hello, I don't know where I went wrong here; can you please explain it to me? — LOL T/C 05:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The full stop was fine. WP:CAP doesn't tell you to remove it.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   05:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The first bullet in WP:CAP says that nominal groups do not end in periods, but that sentences do. Is that not correct? — LOL T/C 05:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a sentence as far as I can see? I don't really understand the "nominal groups" jargon. I put the picture up there and added the caption to it. The sentence contains a wikilink to the King pigeon article and I think a full stop is appropriate in that situation. I would like the full stop to stay please.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   05:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it is not a sentence because it lacks a predicate. Your caption only contains a noun phrase (A pair of white King pigeons) and a postmodifier (grown for food), which constitute a nominal group.  Although I'm personally indifferent towards the existence of the period, I am a follower of the guideline's principles and do not believe that one's personal preference should override them.  I'm going to undo your edit so that the article does not violate an official guideline, and I hope you understand. — LOL T/C 06:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No way. I'll turn it into a sentence.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   06:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

← Whatever, but the period in the other caption (which is a sentence) stays. — LOL T/C 06:17, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's fine by me. --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   06:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this message: No, I was being honest in my response; I'd say that I was perplexed at most, but that resulted from your insistence on keeping the period(!?) rather than the period itself. ;) Your writing is fine; it's just that the linguistics can be confusing.  Anyway, I'm glad that everything seems to have worked out.  Happy editing. — LOL T/C 07:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Adding a image to my user page
Hi Sting! Happy New Year! I was just wondering how I could add another image or picture from another website to my user page. Could you please help me? Thanks!Neptunekh (talk) 05:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The picture you use needs to be public domain. Have you searched Wikimedia Commons for an image? You can use pretty much anything there. What website picture are you wanting to add to your userpage?--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   06:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and happy new year to you too :-) --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   06:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Adding a image to my user page
Hi Sting. The image I'm for is not in Wikimedia Commons. It is actully from here: http://www.soul-hunter.com/sailormoon/gallerymanga/helios/016.gif I want to show people this image because I have it on my back as a tattoo. Could you please help me? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 00:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Halle Berry's Heritage

I wonder if this should be noted about Halle heritage: Her maternal grandmother was English. Also has other English (distantly related to the Baronets Beresford, Viscounts of Tyrone, Earls of Tyrone and Marquesses of Waterford, to Barons Decies and to Baron Beresford, and to the Marquess of Campo-Maior Count of Trancoso in Portugal), Irish, German and remote Dutch ancestry.. I got this info from here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000932/bio Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 00:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Where is your reply?
Sting I can't reply anywhere! Neptunekh (talk) 20:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry Neptunekh. I've been busy with work and other stuff. I did see your notes above but neglected to reply to you. I couldn't access the picture you linked to? Is it a restricted site or something? Whatever image you upload to wikipedia, you will need to make sure the appropriate licence is tagged to it. Who does the image belong to? You can't just take peoples pictures and post them on wikipedia. As for the Halle Berry information. Since this is Wikipedia and as such is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. You yourself can add the information into the article and add a citation template for where the information was obtained. Just be aware that other editors can change what you add if they think it needs tweaking? --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   10:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I bugged you
I'll try to put something else from Wikimedia Commons on my wiki page. Talk you later! Neptunekh (talk) 19:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey no problem. You didn't bug me. Just too many things happening at present. I can't even keep up with all the pages on my watch list. Good luck finding an image.--<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   00:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
I had this project today when i realized that the last edit was today by reverting vandalism.

Thank you

-- The Cisco Kid  Talk to me  20:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds February newsletter
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Baumhauerite
Hi Sting. I created about a mineral named Baumhaumerite. Could you please edit the page? Here's the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumhauerite. Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Honey Page
Hi, Recently a user has been making a good deal of edits (of dubious quality) to the honey page. He's also not in the habit of explaining his edits. Seeing how you seemed to be interested in that page, and seeing how you're a bit more experienced in Wiki procedures, I'm coming to you for advice on how to address this and/or a second opinion on the current state of the Honey page. It's gotten pretty disjointed and seems to have been written by a lot of non-native english speakers, and the writing in the article has suffered. Thanks and best regards. -LogisticEarth (talk) 15:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * G'day LogisticEarth, I think your cleanups are ok. I haven't been spending much time on Wikipedia lately. Facebook has caught my attention and I'm now wasting far too much time there! Wikipedia can be frustrating with anyone allowed to edit articles, there will always be things needing tweaking or removing. Thanks for the heads up though :-) I'll no doubt get back here more when I catch the article creation bug again. For now though I just log in to see if a few of my watchlist pages are going ok. Cheers, --<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   22:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds March newsletter
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thanks heaps for keeping the mt gravatt high page clean and making it aswell,


 * ) a current grade 10 student

You might want to know the deputy principal last year passed away unofortuantely because of a brain tumour. im not saying you should put that in there at all, just to let know incase you used to go there, R.i.p mr sorenson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.117.253 (talk) 07:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

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More Than Weird
Hi Sting! I wrote a page about a young adult novel called more than weird. Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_than_weird Could you edit it please? Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 19:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Birds August newsletter
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AfD nomination of Epistemics of Divine Reality (2nd nomination)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Epistemics of Divine Reality, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

It's been quite a while, but,
Sting au, I have not signed into my account in quite a while (a few years, actually), but I would like to thank you for the information you posted on my talk page a few years back. It is accurate, well-organized, and you wrote your response to me in a friendly manner, which is the reason I read the information you gave me and learned from it. Thank you for not being like many others I encounter on this website who are quick to respond with hate. Thank you again for your help. Sincerely, Veldin963 (talk) 18:41, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Pigeon Image Inquiry
Good evening Graham,

I am the online photo editor for AnimalPlanet.com and we are putting together a website for a new show called "Taking on Tyson," where Mike Tyson (yep, the boxer) raises and races pigeons. Within the site we are putting together a slideshow and digital puzzles comprised of some of the more unique pigeons of the world. I found some of your images that I would like to get permission to use on our site.

The images we are interested in using are the Jacobin Pigeon and the English Trumpeter.

I am located just outside Washington DC, so please feel free to email me directly as I think you are located in Australia. We are about 12 hours difference. Beth_Caldwell@discovery.com

My deadline is Friday, January 28, so I look forward to hearing from you.

Much thanks for your consideration! Beth Caldwell

Manager, Interactive Photo Editor Discovery Communications Beth_Caldwell@discovery.com 240-662-2623 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcaldwell76 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC) Looks like I've missed a few things since I last logged in!<b style="color:green; font-family:Vladimir Script;">Sting</b>  Buzz Me...   10:46, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Rock Pigeon
An article that you have been involved in editing, Rock Pigeon has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article.  Puffin  Let's talk! 18:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Who I am.
Sir, I am the rfcallahan that made comments about the Birmingham Roller pigeon. Having noticed my remarks in something I wrote about some time ago. I bred them for several years but no longer have them. rfcallahan is the name I use to write with. I am really Richard F Callahan of Stow Mass. and am a free lance writer. You may write to me by way of this rfcallahan@comcast.net. However i will be shortly changing my system from Comcast to Verizon so that verison will in fact replace the Comcast name in the e-mail. Perhaps three weeks as of this writing. Cordially Dick Cakllahan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.138.160.235 (talk) 12:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Brisbane workshop and meetup invitation
Hi there! You are cordially invited to a series of Paralympic History workshops and a meetup next Saturday (26 May) and Sunday. In attendance will be University of Queensland faculty members and Australian Paralympic Committee staff. Details and an attendee list are at Meetup/Brisbane/5. Hope to see you there! John Vandenberg (chat) 10:23, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

pigeon playing cricket not cricket but a pigeon
Hello! I notice you are a fellow pigeon fancier! Perhaps you would like to see this picture of a pigeon! Have a lovely day today.. Lamb Ham Jam Man (talk) 19:18, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

trapdoor spider
Hi there,

we found your image of the trapdoor spider http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trapdoor_SpiderQLD.jpg

we are developing an ipad app with a desert theme inside this app there are dozens of questions, one question about the trapdoor spider, in which we need to show this picture.

We usually use stockphotos but for this spider there is not much available. The average price with stock agencies is between $2 and $5 we only need it in a maximum resolution of 800px wide.

Thanks,

o. Curiëre OCG Studios

info@ocgstudios.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.87.229.18 (talk) 10:55, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Tom Crabtree (journalist) for deletion
A nomination is taking place as to discuss whether Tom Crabtree (journalist) should be deleted or not. The discussion will be held at the Articles for deletion/Tom Crabtree (journalist). However, do not remove the AfD message. WisconsinBoyClevelandRocks228844 (talk) 02:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Helmet
Hallo Sting au,

great you are back! There is a question about the Helmet (pigeon) (see Talk:Helmet (pigeon)). Is it about the breed or the group of helmets? We are not sure. (cs:Diskuse_s_wikipedistkou:Bodlina). As creator of the article, you may help. --PigeonIP (talk) 06:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sting au (do you do you remember me when my username used to be neptunekh I have a gemstone question for you:
Hello Sting au (do you do you remember me when my username used to be neptunekh I have a gemstone question for you: does phantom quartz come ever in a silver or grey colour? Thanks you! Venustar84 (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2014 (UTC)