User talk:Stinger20/Archives/2016/December

Verifiability
Thank you for providing the reference for the Anchorage Cargo flight - however please note that it is YOUR responsibility to add the reference not mine. To quote WP:VER. "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." WP:VER is a core Wikipedia principle and is not and can not be ignored. Andrewgprout (talk) 00:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Air Canada Rogue
Hey-Air Canada Rogue is operating some of Air Canada's flights to Toronto next summer. How do we deal with this in regards to the destination/airline table? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C039:3180:6158:A580:2C1D:A016 (talk) 21:18, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you give me a specific route(s) that this is occuring. I would think they should be listed as Air Canada Rouge, as all "Air Canada Rouge" flights are technically Air Canada operated by Air Canada Rouge. I do not know a ton about Air Canada, but that is what I would try. I will be on the look-out for how this issue is handled by other users. Let me know if anyone says anything or you try anything! Thanks! Stinger20 (talk) 01:02, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Looks like 1 flight on Tuesdays starting in May-it may be other days of the week as well. Their website is a pain so I haven't spent much time looking. Google flights doesn't seem to show this flight on Rogue though-AC 7344. Typically I have seen Air Canada Rogue listed seperately from Air Canada/Air Canada Express, but I'm still not convinced this is a Rogue flight. Let me know what you think-thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtaylor7309 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Just checking some surrounding cities, it looks like PIT will have this as well. On google flights its listed as "Operated by AC Express Airgeorgian", vs the typical "Operated by Air Canada Express Air Georgian". However, the flight number #7344 is an Air Canada Express Number, not a Rouge one, so I think we should continue to list the route as just Air Canada Express. If this changes, and a flight number in the 1000's appears, then I think you could separate the two operators. I find it very unlikely that Rouge would be operating flights to CVG given they normally fly to vacation destinations in the south and Caribbean. Let me know if you agree! Thanks! Stinger20 (talk) 18:18, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the "Delta hub" table at CVG article
Hello, you had said that there was consensus to keep the table here at the CVG Airport article. Could you please give me a link to that consensus? I tried looking through the archives at WT:AIRPORTS (in case it was there), but couldn't find anything. — Sunnya343&#9992; (háblame • my work) 21:00, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's actually in the CVG talk page, there was a discussion about former destionations on WP:Airports under Archive 14 about wether to add them. We tried having them on CVG as a test run and I think most agreed that this was too detailed and many routes were not notable, the list was subsequently removed and moved to the talk page. Then some editors decided "small" airports could have them, see discussion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports/Archive_15#Former_Destinations), but these routes were not notable and were subsequently removed. Most of these discussions focused on the length, unverifiability, and unimportance. I then had a discussion with Tofuwitch11 on CVG's talk page, editing back and forth, trying to display the extent of the hub cuts at CVG. This list has gone through various stages, but with little participation except myself and a few other editors. The list, as it says on the page, is specifically the cuts Delta made as a result of the Comair Pilot Strike, Bankruptcy in 2005, and Merger with Northwest. It is not at all a list of former destionations as you said in your edit, its really the only way to show how dramatically Delta downsized CVG. For the average reader not knoweledgable in aviation, daily departures, hub rankings, ect do not mean a whole lot and does not differentiate the conditions of CVG from other dehubbed airports such as MEM, CLE, BNA, ect that never reached the same size or importance, wheras the list shows the fligths cut in a way you cannot find anywhere else. In addition, in response to the main complaints about listing former destionations, every route can be found on the sources provided. Eventually, I would like to replace the table with a map, as seen in the discussion, for mobile devices, as the list appears very long. So, its not really a defined consensus, but rather a refusal of other aviation editors to discuss the topic. As long as people are not willing to talk through these issues and come up with a solutions to convey what may be the most important information about CVG, I will continue to refine and edit how this information is presented. I think there are numerous other ways about showing this information such as: a map, combining mainline/connection service, ect. I have always favored the table, but I welcome any suggestions you may have for displaying this important information in other ways, as I think its clear you are against having the table. Stinger20 (talk) 02:09, 28 December 2016 (UTC)