User talk:Stinger20/Archives/2016/February

Frontier Airlines CVG
Hi Stinger20!

Since you seem to update and look over Cincinnati's airport page the most, I'm coming to you with this question. Recently, an IP deleted Frontier Airlines from CVG's list of focus cities. Now, as you probably know, Frontier does not have a list of focus cities/hubs on their website so we must assume which cities are based on the amount of flights out of each city. Do you still think CVG is a focus city for Frontier? Let me know your thoughts. &#42;AirportUpdater* (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey all -- just wanted to chime in. See if you can find a list of focus cities/hubs from the airline before you list them. Generally we shy away from listing something as a hub or FC unless the airline specifically considers it one. In many cases, airlines have different definitions of a FC or hub. Best -- T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 21:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Frontier usually names cities as focus cities during route announcements, however they stopped doing this in early 2015. I recently updated the list on Frontier's page because the 'focus cities' were very out of date. The current list is based off of the route map, which has in the past shown its focus cities with larger dots or text. I updated the cities based on the current map. Cvg is in large text, so I put it as a focus city, along with Atlanta, which also gained the larger dot/text recently. I think this is the only valid way to name the focus cities, let me know what you think. The first time I added it, the reason it was removed was because the editor said their was no "sourcre", but they never replied, so I added it back. (See F9 CVG Discussion Above) If you think though that since the route map does not say focus cities, then they all should be removed since Frontier has not used the term focus city in its route additions for a while. Stinger20 (talk) 05:07, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I think Frontier's route map is the only source we have for which cities are focus cities. I do know that Denver is their hub because I've read about it in various articles. Other then DEN, I haven't seen anything regarding focus cities. Frontier does operate a pretty substantial amount of flights out of CVG compared to other cities, so it could be a "focus city". I would probably categorize CVG with Atlanta, Chicago, Orlando, and Las Vegas (a couple more as well). I do not think Frontier in the future will be naming "focus cities" besides their Denver hub, so it's really up to us. I think your list on Frontier's page pretty much sums it all up, so we should probably keep each city on the list as a focus city for Frontier. Do you agree? &#42;AirportUpdater* (talk) 20:13, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I would agree as long as they are indicated as such on the route map. I am sure stopping naming focus cities is part of the airlines transition from LCC to ULCC. But I think for now they still should be called focus cities.Stinger20 (talk) 21:31, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, so if we're going to continue listing CVG as a focus city, then when do we stop listing it as a focus city? Or do we stop? After investigating, I actually did see various articles regarding focus cities for some airports such as Cleveland. However, this was 2014 and even farther back. You are right regarding the ULCC transition for Frontier. These types of carrier's are tough because they never fully state their focus cities, at most a "base of operation" (Allegiant's way of describing them). &#42;AirportUpdater* (talk) 18:08, 21 February 2016 (UTC)