User talk:Stinger20/Archives/2018/January

Your edits at Leipzig/Halle Airport
Hello Stinger20, as your not so friendly tone reminded me to read WP:Airports/page_content, I still could not find a section where it states that operating carriers are not to be listed either for passenger or for cargo only operations. I did not undo your changes this time as I actually like it this way but there is no note at all in the guidelines stating how it should be displayed correctly. Additionally, operating carriers are shown throughout practically all airport articles for passenger and cargo ops, so why it isn't an issue there? Best regards.
 * Don't assume I am going to be freindly when you revert an edit with a summray like this "you cannot create your own guidelines, this must be changed by concenus by aviation portal. all major cargo airports list the designated operators". I already responded on your talk page and pointed two the discussions on WP:Airports: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports/Archive_13#Listing_of_Regional_Carriers_dba_Mainline_Carrier and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#Listing_Operators_of_Cargo_Carriers. Also, as far as operating carriers go, you will notice that pretty much all US airport pages do not list them (Alaska Airlines is an agreed upon exception). For some reason editors on many non-US pages tend to ignore policies such as these and only a few editors are currently working to change this. This does not ban all use of "operated by", only when a airline or umbrella brand (such as Delta Connection, Amazon Air, DHL Aviation) contracts flying out to other carriers. In this case, we only list the main umbrelal name as which carriers operate which route often changes and becomes a nightmare to source and maintain. Thanks! Stinger 20  ( talk ) 20:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Amazon Air
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question
Hey Stinger, no idea if I'm doing this right. I was just trying to send you a message. I've updated stats before on the CVG page but not too familiar with all this. Anyway, a couple things. First I really like your rumor routes for CVG, alot of those I was thinking too would make sense. Did you hear that some of those may actually be coming?

Also, did you merge regional with mainline service? I think it's better like it was so you can see what's actually the mainline carrier versus some regional jet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awagner509 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You did it right! The predictions page is just mostly my speculation. The DL station manager and one of their reps teased expansion coming in 2018 (https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2018/01/02/delta-adds-new-nonstop-destination-from-cvg.html and https://twitter.com/_LizEngel/status/953394570909413376), so those were my best guesses for possible routes. The boards of CVG and MEM are currently working with DL to restore CVG-MEM, so that is the only one I heard could be coming (https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2018/01/18/memphis-airport-continues-path-to-reinvention.html). Also, P&G was in discussions with DL on CVG-LHR earlier this year, though nothing seems to have come of that.


 * As for the merging on mainline and connection services, this is part of an ongoing discussion on WP:Airports regarding the encylocpedic value of the destination tables and ways to make them more encyclopedic/verifiable. Recently we held and RFC (request for comments) and determined that, while the destination tables are valuable to the airport pages, there needs to be better sourcing and to remove the terminals/concourse column as to avoid making the page like a travel guide (per WP:NOTTRAVEL). As part of the discussion, there have been proposals such as turning the lists into destination maps, only listing the airlines, and countless other ideas. At the moment, I think we have agreed to keep the tables, but some changes are coming. As of now, consensus is leaning towards removing the "operated by" banner and subsidaries, therefore only listing the marketing carrier. As part of this, there is also a branch of discussions relating to consolidating regional operators, mostly for sourcing issues and verifiability. While I agree the difference between mainline and regional operators can be informative, per many of Wikipedia's verifiability and content guidelines, some changes like these are probably going to be necessary in order to maintain the encyclopedic value of the destination tables. Right now, it is only changed on CVG and BNA, which are standing in as the trial pages for this discussion. Here is a link to the WP:Airports talk page, where all of the discussion on airport page styling goes on: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports.

Copy/Paste Split at Amazon Air
Hi Stinger20, I was looking around and noticed that you split Amazon Prime Air into two articles once Amazon announced it was rebranding the two ventures. I wanted to let you know for the future that per WP:PROSPLIT your edit summary with the split must have a wikilink back to the article you split the content from in order to comply with the legal requirements of our license. It may seem small, but we are legally required to provide attribution to contributors with at least a wikilink back in the edit summary. Feel free to let me know if you have any questions. Mifter (talk) 06:03, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

airport consolidation
Why was the decision made to consolidate mainline and regional? You know they are separate brands right? As I stated, I don't have a problem with removing the "operated by", but if there is a specific brand like a Express or Connection, it should be used. Mealer2015 (talk) 02:32, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Per consensus, only the marketing carrier is to be listed. This is due to various reasons such as notability, what is encyclopedic, and sourcing available. Delta Conenction, American Eagle, and United Express are marketing brands/subsidaries of Delta, American, and United. You book a flight on Delta.com, not DeltaConnection.com, the marketing carrier is Delta Air Lines, regardless who operates the flight. Listing the US3 separately would be an exception to this policy of only listing the marketing carrier. Stinger 20  ( talk ) 02:40, 28 January 2018 (UTC)