User talk:StormBreakLoose

History and geography seem not your strong sides, so please be careful with your edits. In classical times the Macedonians were considered half-Greek only and their country not part of Greece, while the Greek settlements in Asia Minor were considered to be part of Greece. You shouldn't confuse this with modern geographic terms and borders. Greetings Wandalstouring (talk) 09:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Macedon was considered half Greek? What on Earth does that mean? Please Explain.

From what I know Ancient Macedonians were one of more than 200 Hellenic Tribes and Sub-Tribes.

Also There was no such thing as "Greece" back then. But Macedon and PARTS of Asia Minor were considered "greece".

You are being difficult, for no perticular reason either. StormBreakLoose

Sign your comments please. The Macedonians were considered half Greek and excluded from the Olympic games, only the royal house was allowed to compete. Being Greek was necessary to participate in the games. I hope you are familiar with the rules. Greece is defined as the not barbarous region by the ancient Greeks. That is pretty clear in their homeland. You can't mix historic and geographic terms. Geography is the southern Balkan and western Asia Minor or historic is ancient Greece and Macedonia. Wandalstouring (talk) 11:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I don't know about the Olympic games, but If the Royal house could then that says enough. Could you give me a source that says the Macedonians were considered half Greek? What about the Spartans or Athenians? Were they half Greek as well?

"Greece is defined as the not barbarous region by the ancient Greeks"

Ancient "Greece" would be defined as this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/GrClassic.jpg

Also the Macedonians (as well as the rest of Greece) ended converting to Attic Greek (also known as Classical Greek). StormBreakLoose

That is a map of the Greek language, however it is a modern linguistic and not an ancient political definition.(Besides it is not correct since it leaves out some heavily colonized areas around the Marmara Sea) Greece had defined itself and the Macedonians were not part, the Epirotes were later allowed to become Greeks.Wandalstouring (talk) 13:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

"Greece had defined itself and the Macedonians were not part"

you're just making stuff up now. Even here on Wikipedia it says the Kindom of Macedon was part of Ancient Greece. Greece was not only City States but Kingdoms as well, like the Kingdom of Thessaly or Kingdom of Epirus ect.

c'mon mate, this is the stupidest discussion ive ever had.

"You can't mix historic and geographic terms. Geography is the southern Balkan and western Asia Minor or historic is ancient Greece and Macedonia."

I agree, but Macedon was part of Ancient Greece, just the Northern Ancient Greece, not Southern Ancient Greece. On the Map I think we should just go by either "The Southern Balkans and western Asia Minor" OR simply "Ancient Greece".

It doesnt matter to me. I'll change it though. StormBreakLoose

Macedonia is not Greece
Sorry mate, but you make lots of noob mistakes. Wikipedia is no source, that's the first one. The second one is we work with definitions. SoWandalstouring (talk) 15:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Your newest edit is fine. I am correct, but your newest edit is fine with me, It looks perfect.

Macedonia as in the REgion Macedonia (defined in the early 20th century) is not Entirely Greece, but Ancient Macedon most certaintly was. And they were just one of many different "Greeks". just like the City States (Sparta, Thebes, Athens ect) or other Greek Kindoms (Eprirus or Thessaly). So how can you be fine with say Thessaly being "Greek" but not Macedon? Makes no Sense.

"do we refer to the Greek language or to the political definition of what is Greek?"

I don't know what the political definition of what is Greek, but Since Macedon was/is in Northern Greece, Their original Tongue was a Sister or possibly daughter language of the Greek language family before taking up Attic (classical) Greek which they were speaking by the time of Alexander. And since they were allowed in the Olympics, AND since the "The first Macedonian state emerged in the 8th or early 7th century BC under the Argead Dynasty (what are you going to say they are not Greek either?), who have migrated to the region from the southern Greek city of Argos (thus the name Argead)." AND since they worshipped Greek Gods and Spread Greek Culture (were actually the starters of Hellenism) after their conquests, I think it's safe to say they were as "greek" as any other Greeks. : )

cheers. StormBreakLoose

BTW do you think we should seperate the Illyrian WArs from the rest of that? Just a thought. I might do it later, but not now. StormBreakLoose

Learn to sign your comments with four tildes: ~

No the Macedonians were not allowed to participate in the Olympic games, only their royal house was allowed. What exactly they worshipped is not quite clear. The conquest was a joint venture with the southern Greek poleis who also contributed many settlers and were definetly the dominant part when it comes to culture.

Illyria is strongly connected with the Greek wars, since the very same persons appear in these conflicts. Wandalstouring (talk) 16:17, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

http://www.aafla.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH2003/JSH3002/jsh3002h.pdf

This link says the Macedonians were allowed into the Olympics. So let me get this straight? only certain Macedonians were allowed into the Olympics but every other Greek of every kind (not just royalty) was allowed into the Olympics?

and Yes they worshpipped "Greek" Gods. Please give me one credible source that says they didnt, Even Alexander thought he was son of Zeus or something like that. And Yes, of course I know that Other Greeks joined them on their conquest of Persia. Macedon after Conquering Athens and Thebes actually United "Greece" for the first time (although there were uprisings). They went around spreading Greek culture and spoke Greek. What else is Greek???? LOL

anyways, your newest edit is fine with me.

cheers. StormBreakLoose (talk)


 * Try Alexander I of Macedon. It has all the links you need. Yes, absolutely every Greek, who was a free man, but only members of the royal house of Macedon. Wandalstouring (talk) 16:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Templar source
That Templar book does not appear to be a reliable source, and there appear to exist better sources. It has already been several times edited out of articles. Could you please consider not adding it again? It's just going to get removed again. --Enric Naval (talk) 20:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)