User talk:Storye book/Archive 14

DYK for Aerial suspension (illusion)
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The Bugle: Issue XCIV, January 2014
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DYK for St Robert's Church, Pannal
Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK stats puzzle
Hi Excirial, hope this finds you well. I have a puzzle for you. My recent DYK Aerial suspension has its DYK banner template on its talkpage. The DYK banner for the same article, which was sent to my talkpage is different if you check the source, i.e. it's not a transcluded template. This wouldn't matter, except that the check-the-hits link on the article talkpage banner says it got 80 hits, whereas if you check the hits via the equivalent banner sent to my talkpage, the article apparently got over 15,000 hits. Some difference, huh? Since the article got top position (with image) in DYK, it had a good time-slot when the US was awake and browsing, and the subject of magic illusions and the dyk image are curiosities, I'm optimistic enough to guess that the 15,000 hits is the correct stat. So what's gone wrong? Do you know how I can put this right? If it's 15,000+ hits, then it should get into DYKSTATS but it hasn't yet. Help please? --Storye book (talk) 08:29, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I can see the problem. It looks like your DYK article was moved around the time it was a DYK. The title of the page was Aerial suspension (illusion) during the DYK and Aerial suspension afterwards. The template on the article's talk page was added on the 14th, and the statistics link refers to Aerial suspension (illusion). The DYK template on your own talk page on the other hand was added on the 15th and refers you to to the stats of Aerial suspension. That last page was a redirect at the time your DYK was on the main page and thus it received very little traffic. In other words: Congratulations with a very nice score of 15.000+ readers for your article! Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 12:35, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Woohoo! Thank you - now I understand. Yes I remember it being moved by someone at that time - I didn't make the connection though - well spotted!. And I noticed something else.  On the stats page there's a second spike on the following day. I don't know which time zone affects the dyk count - presumably USA smewhere - but it looks as if the dyk time slot may have carried past midnight in that time zone, so that we can count the second hits spike?  So 15,278 + 2011 = 17,089? The fun thing is that Aerial suspension was my 50th dyk. Some days are good days. How do I enter it in DYKSTATS?  I looked at the markup for the other DYKSTAT entries, and there's some sort of required url in there which I can't find for this dyk. --Storye book (talk) 13:22, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And another thing - just thought - can we also add in the 80 hits registered under the pre-move title Aerial suspension (illusion)? Or am I being greedy, haha? --Storye book (talk) 13:29, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
 * According to Dykstats you can count both days if the page left the main page after UTC 0:00 - and seeing the view count I assume it did. Also, it seems that half the edits from the day prior and after the DYK are subtracted to counter "Non DYK related" views. I don't think you can count the redirect since it was never linked from the main page. Having said all that i guess the calculation would be: (15278+2011) - (6 + 6) = 17.277 views (There seems to be no views for "Day after" yet, so i just cheated and used 6)
 * The "Required URL" on DYKSTATS is the same url as the "Quick Check" contains. To make things even easier: The below wikitext should be all that is needed to list it (It seems its the second most visited DYK article for January).
 * ''

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 * Aerial suspension (illusion) || Brahmin aerial suspension ca 1830.jpg || 17.277|| || ... that the aerial suspension illusion (pictured) was first recorded in the early 19th century in India?
 * Aerial suspension (illusion) || Brahmin aerial suspension ca 1830.jpg || 17.277|| || ... that the aerial suspension illusion (pictured) was first recorded in the early 19th century in India?
 * I'd insert it for you, but i don't want to rob you of the joy of adding it to the list and seeing the result first yourself.  Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 14:40, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Onwards to 100! But lets reward the 50 milestone first

 * 50 Dyks already - That is really something. I remember a time where i could still count yours on two hands, but even cloning myself wouldn't result in enough toes and fingers to count them all by now. Again, thanks a lot for all your hard work - I really enjoy reading those DYK's. Excirial ( Contact me, Contribs ) 15:35, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

HighBeam
Hi Storye book, you've expressed an interest in HighBeam access, but you don't seem to have email enabled, which is a requirement for account distribution. Would you mind enabling email, and letting me know when you've done so? Thanks, Nikkimaria (talk) 17:47, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. --Storye book (talk) 17:59, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You've got mail. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:12, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

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Joan McCracken
Hey, thanks for your help with the DYK nom and especially for the cleanup in the article itself. I agree about deletion of the image for now, though I do think the deletion nomination was mistaken and I've taken up the issue on Commons. I enjoyed doing this, and in working on this article I found that this entire subject matter is really neglected by Wikipedia, so I hope to contribute in the area. Coretheapple (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

That DYK sure got posted on the Main Page fast! You folks sure know how to encourage a guy. Coretheapple (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Explaining
I patrolled your page. I went through the enormously-backlogged list of newly-created pages and confirmed that your page was okay: not spam, not an attack page, not a copyright violation, not any of the other reasons for which I would delete someone's page without asking. Then I clicked "patrolled" to remove it from the list of "pages that have not yet been patrolled", and moved on to the next entry. That's all. DS (talk) 12:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCV, February 2014
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William Swinden Barber
So it seems that he was born in Southowram, or at least was baptised there. So is it also true to say he was born in Halifax? The Southowram article itself says that it is east of Halifax and not in it. I guess this was also true in 1832. I'm not surprised if Halifax wishes to claim him as an important son, of course. And maybe this is just being overly pedantic. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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Charles Farrar Forster
I greatly respect your work, but perhaps this is excessive detail for a general encyclopedia. &#39;DGG (at NYPL)&#39; (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

A valid comment, perhaps. However, as the creator of the Beckwithshaw page on Wikipedia, who has Charles Farrar Forster among his ancestors, I was delighted to discover so much carefully-researched data. Readers may also be amused to hear that, when visiting the Church of St. Michael and All Angels, Beckwithshaw with my late father (Ken Forster 1915-2013) in July 2005, we noticed that, in the list of vicars on a board in the church, Forster had been wrongly shown as Fossett, an error which a helpful churchwarden arranged to be corrected. NinetyCharacters (talk) 21:59, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thank you for help the Wikipedia :)

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The Bugle: Issue XCVI, March 2014
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DYK nomination of William Swinden Barber
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 * I do hope that this could make a Good Article sone day! Keep up the good work. :) Martinevans123 (talk) 11:04, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! This article is the first comprehensive published biography of Barber, so it's worth the effort - a lot of effort, though! There is no known image of him except for the rather strange one by Wynfield, but when I did the interior photoshoot of one of Barber's buildings for WP, I found this corbel, which I believe to be a portrait of him. Or to put it another way, I can't see what else it can be - and if it's him, he had a great big beard, just like his more famous artist friends. The research has brought out quite a few things not publicly known today about him. --Storye book (talk) 11:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
 * "Their house servant Ann Barber is still with them" - I have not looked for the census page image, but I asssume that her surname is just a coincidence, and it's not a mistaken description of a daughter who was empluyed (presumably elsewhere) as a house servant? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I have double-checked the census for 1851 and Ann Barber is listed as an unmarried servant, in the column for relationship with head of household. Also in that same column are head (Barber's father), wife (Barber's mother) and son (W.S. Barber) alongside servant (Ann Barber). Ann cannot be a sister as she is so much older than Barber (she is 35, he is 19). Having done a lot of this type of research and seen lots of Victorian census forms, my personal guess is that she is most likely to be a poor relation who is keeping self-respect by earning her keep, being perhaps unable to support herself outside the family. Often these women were simple or pregnant or having the kind of disability which would discourage employment, e.g. disfigurement, poor vision/hearing, etc. A mild version of this is given in Charlotte Bronte's book Jane Eyre, where as an orphan child Jane is taken in by cousins and made to act like a servant. One can always speculate, of course. Barber's parents are aged 50 and 55 respectively - at a stretch of the imagination, Ann Barber could be an informally adopted daughter of a previous illegitimate relationship by one of the parents (Barber's father was only 16 years old when Ann was born). There was no formal adoption until the 20th century, and illegitimate children were often brought up in the extended family under all sorts of phoney descriptions. --Storye book (talk) 12:46, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for checking what is really a very minor detail. I wholly agree with your proposed explanations. In those days households were far less stable than they are now. And even relatively modest families would have "servants" who might come and go on a regular basis. The national minimum wage and universal employmemt rights were quite a way off! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree! --Storye book (talk) 15:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * What a bloody brilliant article. I wonder if he ever met Burges? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 20:43, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment! That's a good point about Burges - I don't know the answer, though Barber must have at least heard about him. That image of Burges in jester costume could be one of the set done in 1864 by David Wilkie Wynfield; that set includes a photo of Barber so they may well have met. Your question implies the possibility of influence by Burges on Barber (who was younger), but at the moment we just don't know enough about Barber. Burges was designing interiors partly because he knew how to make the stuff himself. Barber was designing interiors but as far as we know so far he contracted the actual craftwork out - but if he could design stone fonts and carved wooden reredoses and painted glass, then maybe he could do it too.  We just don't know.  There's a lovely painted window in his own house (read file description and zoom in) - could that be his work, I wonder. --Storye book (talk) 21:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Society of Science, Letters and Art
Thanks for making April 1st special Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind comment (above) and for your hard work on the DYK noms admin. Much appreciated. --Storye book (talk) 08:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Church of St Michael and All Angels, Beckwithshaw
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DYK for Charles Farrar Forster
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DYK for William Swinden Barber
Thanks for your article Victuallers (talk) 16:57, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Singing early music
Hi! I recently created the short and not very good article Martin Best from what I found on the net, in sheer frustration of not finding any good information on his whereabouts and musical career. Since you made this edit back in 2009 in the article Alexandrov Ensemble soloists mentioning him as one of the people who had influence on ways to perform early music, maybe you can suggest me some sources where I can read about these things? Maybe you even feel like adding to the Martin Best article yourself.

I am slightly confused by the name you mention of his group, BTW. I know of the Martin Best Consort, a name he used in the 70s as well as later, and the Martin Best Medieval Ensemble. The latter is a group name whose first record is from 1982. Listening to "Forgotten Provence" from the 1990's, I absolutely understand what you mean by somewhat arabic style singing. I haven't heard "The Art of the Minstrel" from 1972. "The Warwickshire Lad" from 1973 contains material from various epochs and is very melodic. I love it but I would not guess it was breaking very new ground. Looking at his record production, it seems he was mainly doing others stuff during the 70s (most of his record production of that time is from the Swedish ballad tradition, which is a much more recent genre). My guess would be that he began working on this style of singing that you mention in the shift of 70s/80s. If so, maybe Martin Best wasn't "in the front line" of this style of troubadour performace, but just performing a practice that others have established?

If you have suggestions on literature, and of course of sample recordings to illustrate this shift in how to perform early music, you'd really make me happy. I do have some interest in early music, but I don't know very much about the subject; my main interest in Martin Best is his performance of songs from the Swedish ballad tradition (a name I find ill fitting, but since it's what people seem to call it in English I'll stick to that) --Stighammar (talk) 16:24, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on your new article - well worth doing. I'm a big fan of Martin Best's work on Troubadour music performance, although I am no expert.  My only experience of Martin Best is a cassette tape bought in the UK in the 1980s, after hearing some tracks on BBC Radio 3. I don't have access to the tape at the moment, but the Martin Best Consort performed all the tracks.  It included this track of Ce fut en mai, however there were some even more interesting and beautiful songs on there, by Dufay, Binchois, etc, all sung in Old French. There were some tracks of songs with long, decorative melismatic sections, reminiscent of e.g. Islamic morning prayer. This type of interpretation and performance makes sense, because during the French troubadour period there was already a long tradition of travelling Islamic scholars and traders throughout Europe and what is now the UK, and they would have brought their music with them. The Islamic music style as we know it today, came originally from an area in the east of the Indian subcontinent, long before 650 AD. As I understand it, European plainsong came from the same source, and the performance would have been influenced by, or related to, Islamic singing style - so that is why modern performance of medieval plainsong, sung undecorated from medieval sheet music, sound wrong. And that is why Martin Best's recordings were a revelation to me. I hope that helps. Sorry I don't have any citations for what I've written here, so cannot add it to your article - but perhaps you can check out the above and find something? --Storye book (talk) 07:00, 20 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Possibly this one? "Moniot d'Arras: Ce fut en moi", if so there's a typo either on medieval.org or on Youtube.
 * This is, as far as I can see, his first recordings of French ballads. "The Dawn of Romance", 1978. --Stighammar (talk) 13:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding that! Yes it looks similar to the cassette tape that I remember, and the date of recording looks right, although I think they've re-translated the titles into Occitan, so they look slightly unfamiliar. It was the Bernart de Ventadorn one that I remember in particular. The Adam de la Halle was pretty good too. I shall buy the CD if I can track it down.--Storye book (talk) 14:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * You probably can find most of his stuff on amazon, maybe not all. The discography on medieval.net is not 100% complete, I found a couple more but probably all the medieval/early music stuff is in there. What artists you can hear on Spotify differs with where you live, but I can hear plenty of MB. It's worth a try! La Dousa Votz (or if it's Vota, but Spotify has lots of typos)
 * Anyway it seems we don't really know who was the first with this way of doing medieval ballads. We trace Mr Best doing it to the shift of 70s/80s, rougly, and don't know who - if anyone - went before him. Since I don't know where to find literature I think I will let it rest. --Stighammar (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes I think you're right to let it rest at least until more information turns up. The first individual singer I heard, who was attempting in the 1960s to make sense of how to sing medieval music, was Gerald English, who was running Sydney Opera House for a while (that seems to be missing from his Wiki article). His enthusiasm, attack on opening phrase and strong accentuation of the beat woke us all up. I did hear Alfred Deller in concert around 1970, towards the end of his career, but I got the impression that his interest was mainly in the 18th century singing style at that time, even though he sang a lot of earlier music.--Storye book (talk) 20:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Just stumbled on this --Stighammar (talk) 11:48, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Fantastic! Thanks for the link. I guess that list will contribute to the discography in the article? It's good to know that Martin Best is still going. Meanwhile I've bought the downloads for two of his CDs, so I'll be checking them out shortly. All in the call of duty, of course. --Storye book (talk) 12:19, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * These records are already in the article, mainly from the discography at medieval.org. Since I have these albums on Spotify I don't hasten to buy. "Thys Yool" is going to be a threat to "Navidad Nuestra" for favourite Christmas music :-) I'd like some of his Swedish LP's though, but I'll get my hands on them in time. It doesn't seem like he has recorded anything after 1996, at least not under his own name. --Stighammar (talk) 13:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCVII, April 2014
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Brighouse
Hiya, Just a quick heads up to let you know why I removed the Heart Group Hyper link from the article. It is useable on the main Calderdale Way article okay; but having it on the Brighouse article will induce the likes of the Brighouse library Knitting Group, etc, wanting to include their groups promotional links again. ;) Richard Harvey (talk) 09:55, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes fair enough, I agree with that. Maybe there's a better ref for the Calderdale Way? --Storye book (talk) 10:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Surprisingly Calderdale Councils website is somewhat scant on it, getting only a passing mention on their rights of way page. I have converted the external link to a reference in the main body text and put in a new external link to a non-promotional website where you can download a free route map. Richard Harvey (talk) 11:37, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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Nigel Hamilton (author)
Hiya, I thought I would ask you to look at this article, as it's a Bio and more in your area of expertise than mine. The latest edits to it appear to be by the author himself, judging by the new editors login name. A statement just made on there by him is promotional, in relation to unreferenced reviews, which to me breaches WP:COI. Having reverted it previously I would appreciate your expertise. Richard Harvey (talk) 16:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Richard - I'm always glad to help, though I'm probably no more of an expert than you are - thanks for the compliment anyway! Yes I agree with your comments about the recent edit in the header. I've reverted the last two edits and put a comment on the discussion page. My own concern is more about the edited change from British subject to American citizen. If the editor were someone masquerading under Nigel Hamilton's name, then that could be a very sensitive issue - and of course we need to get that bit right. So hence the message on the discussion page. I hope that's OK? If I've done anything you don't agree with, please let me know and I'll adjust it.  Cheers. --Storye book (talk) 09:32, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hiya. I've just done a partial revert of an unsourced edit by an editor, on his nationality. The editor has only one previous edit, in January 2013, which raises the potential of being a sockpuppet. Richard Harvey (talk) 23:28, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. It's a puzzling situation. I've just found this citation source for Nigel Hamilton being a British-born, now-naturalised American. I don't know whether "naturalised American" is legally the same thing as "American Citizen" though? So since there is an acceptable source for "naturalized", I'm surprised that the editor in question has not cited it. --Storye book (talk) 07:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: I've just had a quick glance through United States nationality law and as far as I can understand, naturalization is the process, and citizenship is the goal of that process. As I said above, there is an acceptable citation for naturalization, but I have been unable to find any citation for US citizenship as such, for this man. As far as I can see, Hamilton would have had the Green Card before being allowed to go through the naturalization process, but we still need evidence that he completed this process. Of course, all this is only my personal opinion.--Storye book (talk) 08:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree in requiring an article citation for Hamilton being an American Citizen, which I assume would be an official list of those having taken an oath of allegiance to the US. At the same time it would need to address if he has renounced his British Citizenship, or retained Dual Nationality. Richard Harvey (talk) 13:51, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue XCVIII, May 2014
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My DYK? Nomination
Hello,

I have now responded to your comments here -- Template:Did you know nominations/Sergei Grigoriyevich Stroganov. Please respond back to me whenever you are able to do so. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 02:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for responding to me. Just one more thing (which is a little off-topic here):


 * If you don't mind me asking, do you have the authority to promote this DYK? nomination of mine? -- Template:Did you know nominations/Saar status referendum, 1935. If so, then could you please promote it? The reason that I am asking this is because processing this DYK? nomination of mine appears to have taken a very long time. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 07:12, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I can understand your impatience, but your nomination has already been given a green tick, and after that it's just a matter of waiting for admin to promote it (sorry I'm not admin). I have two of my own nominations way back in the backlog, and one of them hasn't even been reviewed yet, so I can empathise with your situation. The problem is that there are not enough reviewers. The only thing that any of us can do to speed up the process is to review more DYK noms ourselves. This will clear some of the backlog, which in turn will free up the administrators to promote the green-tick DYK noms. --Storye book (talk) 07:41, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Spring Hall, Halifax
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:50, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thank you, Matty! Much appreciated. I'll try to do a bit more tomorrow if I get time.  Meanwhile keep up the good work yourself - you're doing sterling service for WP. Cheers. --Storye book (talk) 17:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Your comment here hits a real hot button of mine, which is that the DYK process, as it now operates, squanders what should be a wonderful mechanism for attracting new editors. Instead of presenting new content that purports to be miraculously polished and tag-free, it should present frankly imperfect new content, and invite editors to help improve it. In my mind I envision the DYK section of MP (at the bottom, after the hooks) saying "If you did know any of these things, then perhaps you have the knowledge and interest to help improve these new articles! Try it!" (not quite that way, but you get the idea). Not sure if you're aware of Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know. EEng (talk) 17:12, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you EEng - I agree, although for a different reason. I think that existing editors should be encouraged to present DYKs and to review (when they can), and I think we should do all we can to encourage them and make it easy for them. Of course new editors are important, and we should make it easier for them to learn the ropes. I have met quite a number of published university professors who have attempted to edit Wikipedia and cannot understand why their work gets deleted. That's a pity because we need their knowledge and input.--Storye book (talk) 17:34, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Fortunately, or perhaps unfortunately, it's not possibly to reach through the internet and strangle someone. EEng (talk) 00:54, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I came here to do the same thing, but I see Matty.007 has beaten me to it! Well done for your valiant effort in reducing the DYK backlog from the bottom of the pile, and for always providing thorough and constructive reviews. It hasn't gone unnoticed. 97198 (talk) 13:05, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Storye book (talk) 12:19, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Flowers
Aye Storye book, I stumbled across your user name on the DYK nom' page and saw the beautiful photo of the flower on your user page. I've taken some similar photos and thought you might appreciate these. All the best. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 04:30, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, thank you for your kind comment and for the link - your pictures are gorgeous. I love the way you've chosen a moment when the flowers are backlit - maybe very early in the morning? Congratulations. --Storye book (talk) 07:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for checking out the DYK nom for Meiclusif, I wanted to inform you that I addressed your concerns on the subpage. Since you like flowers, this recent upload of 'Arthur Bell' should be right up your alley. Hekerui (talk) 18:59, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Storye book (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm sorry you did not find the QPQ, and it's my fault. I clearly copied the link incorrectly so it leads to "The Annihilation of Caste" and not "The Treasure of the City of Ladies". Cheers Hekerui (talk) 19:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries, thank you for your patience. I guess we all have to be especially patient to get stuff through QPQ quickly and smoothly - at least once it's done it's done and we can all do something else. I'll be glad when more of the DYK backlog has been cleared and I can get back to editing - although actually I have enjoyed reading all these fascinating articles, including yours. Cheers and thank you for your co-operation in all this.--Storye book (talk) 19:49, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

About Community Based Program Design: 1 question and 1 thing to say
Question: Do I get credit for the DYK? Thing to say: Actually, I didn't create the article. This guy did, and I just passed the AfC that he nominated.

Phil roc My contribs 23:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, you nominated it for DYK, so you get the credit for that. Well done! --Storye book (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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01:09, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Yikes!
"In my experience, reviewers can hold up noms if they attempt to edit the article which they are reviewing"

Do you feel a reviewer's edit is more likely to trigger a re-review? That is, if the original nom editor makes the requested edit, that it is more likely to go through than if the reviewer makes the same edit.

If so, do you know why this is happening? It seems quite to the contrary of the "anyone can edit" policy, and to a lesser extent, the whole purpose of the review.

If my edits to articles in the queue are dooming them to endless re-review, perhaps I should stop doing it.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:45, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message, Maury. Your edits and reviews are up to you, of course, and I can only answer for my own actions. These are based on experience and on what I have seen happen to some other reviewers. So my motive in that case was to try to prevent any more delays on an already-delayed nom. --Storye book (talk) 08:46, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * (watching) When I do a review, the first thing I do is editing the article, typos and formatting. I don't think that disqualifies me from the review, quite the opposite, it shows where I looked. If major changes are needed, I ask the nominator. I often ask to change a hook, - better than offering a different one myself which of course would need a second reviewer if new facts are introduced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda - yes I'd love to do that too, and I'm glad you've been able to do it and hope you can continue - but for myself I have had reviews overridden because of it in the past. For the moment I'm seeing my review job as either accepting or alerting, and trying to leave it at that, in the hope of avoiding hassle.--Storye book (talk) 09:39, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I get where you're coming from SB, but it does leave me a little worried. The sad thing about this is that it likely takes much less time to fix minor issues than write a post explaining them, and then you have to wait for the nom to notice (if they ever do) make the edits post about them and then get re-reviewed.

As if the DYK process isn't slow enough already!

Perhaps we can suggest leaving a note about this in the noms, something to the effect of "Minor edit - fixed picture locations, ref formatting". A change that has no effect on the DYK process (although these days it appears that might be the null set) should still be open to anyone, and perhaps we simply need to note that the edits are "safe"?

Do you think that might work? If so I can propose it.

(crap spilled coffee on the keyboard multiple keys not working!)

Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * In theory it sounds right for a reviewer to be able to do very minor edits such as delinking a disambig link or correcting a spelling error, but:--Storye book (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Reviewer edits can be faulty. It is not impossible that that delink could then cause an ambiguity to which the article-creator or an expert in the subject may be sensitive whereas the reviewer is not. The spelling error could have been part of a quotation, so that the proper correction would have been to add (sic) and not to change the spelling.--Storye book (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think that any kind of combined reviewing and editing can muddy the waters and that we need to be able to show that we keep these things separate. Peer-reviewing is important in Wikipedia. There are plenty of other people who can edit the article so as to keep the review separate. So it's not about the time that I have spent explaining this principle to people. It's about making sure that the review is valid. Of course you are welcome to campaign for a change in the way we do reviews, and if there is a consensus that we can or should edit as well as review, then of course I shall abide by it. But I am not convinced that I should campaign for such a change.--Storye book (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Valid edits by a reviewer can be undone by the article-creator while the nom is in the queue: I have tried to bend the rules slightly, occasionally, so long as I have pointed clearly at my edits so that admin can check that my review is still valid. However I have noticed that in one case my edit was reversed by the self-nom immediately after the nom was promoted, and it was then too late to reverse my review decision.--Storye book (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Therefore I am reluctant to do a combined edit-and-review again. An exception might be if e.g. the nomination has been abandoned for a long time and will otherwise be closed down, or if e.g. the self-nom has difficulty with the English language and needs assistance with syntax and punctuation, and no-one else is volunteering to do it. But my edits would have to be very minor and clearly stated on the nom page. What other reviewers do is up to them; I'm only stating my own current attitude here.--Storye book (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Wow - thank you! --Storye book (talk) 15:27, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Precious
  reviewing with high standards

Thank you for quality articles such as Bramhope Tunnel and Church of St Michael and All Angels, Beckwithshaw, for reviewing with high standards, for restoring faith, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow - that is so kind of you - thank you so much! --Storye book (talk) 08:15, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hear, hear!  Mohamed CJ  (talk)  10:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

 * Wow! Thank you! --Storye book (talk) 13:31, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Steaming process in Lancashire cotton mills
Hi, please see new note on this DYK nom. Yoninah (talk) 22:17, 7 June 2014 (UTC)