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Christianity talk archives
Hi, I'm seeking help with the archive box for Talk:Christianity. It doesn't want to display the more recent archives in the talk page itself. I edited Talk:Christianity/archivebox and it now is displaying correctly there. Can you fix this so I can see what I did wrong? carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 20:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Roman Catholic Church
Hi Str, I have made a motion to close the mediation for reasons described here. Please come and post either your agreement or disagreement at the same link. Thanks.  Nancy Heise    talk  17:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Francist vs Francoist
Greetings Str1977. Am slightly concerned regarding the fact that you are striking out the well-established term Francoist and sticking in the term Francist in its place. I'd appreciate some sort of rationale for this, either here or on one of the discussion pages at the articles you are modifying because neither my Oxford dictionary nor my Webster mention it as a possibility.

My readings on the Spanish Civil War have been and are mainly in Spanish, so I'm not familiar with possibly more contemporary texts in English, but what little I have read, including newspaper articles from the war correspondents at the various fronts and later works invariably use Francoist. Thank you.--Technopat (talk) 10:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Voting
Str, we are voting at mediation on the name of the Church here. Are you OK with changing the article name to Catholic Church and having a lead sentence that states "The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church"? Please cast your vote so we can either find consensus or not for this suggestion. Thanks.  Nancy Heise    talk  01:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Same comment often heard
Str, you have made that claim several times before and I guess I must be ignorant. I have always heard Catholic used in the context of being a member of the Catholic Church. When I hear an Anglican talk about being catholic, I understand their claim as being different; i.e. not a member of the Catholic Church, but a member of what they view as the same apostolic origin. When I use the term catholic church, and as I have heard others use it, it refers to those groups of churches that claim a part of catholicism, but still maintaining a degree of separateness from the Roman Catholic Church. What is it that I am missing? -- Storm  Rider  09:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The fallacy is that merely using minor characters changes the meaning of the term. It does not (even though it is a popular past time in the English speaking word, from T/truth to T/tradition onwards. IMHO this is all wrongheaded as the word is always the same and the difference is made by context, not by capitalisation). It is the same term though it can be used in different contextes and of course has several layers of meaning:
 * Primarily, Catholic Church means the one church founded by Christ and the Apostles and mentioned in the Creed.
 * It is also used as a name for the whole of the church by the (R)CC and the Eastern Orthodox Churches which say that they are that Catholic Church or that the Catholic Church subsist in them.
 * It is also used by those Protestants reciting the Nicene Creed (especially Lutherans outside of Germany) in the first sense.
 * Anglicans are a special case if they adhere to the Three Branches theory.
 * And of course there are several break-aways from the (R)CC which however never to my knowledge call themselves "the Catholic Church".
 * The term does never denote a claim to be "a part of Catholicism".
 * Str1977 (talk) 10:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand you to say that your first issue is more of how some English speakers use the written language to convey meaning. English is my first language and I freely admit that English has many layers of nuance to convey meaning. I think English speakers will understand my post clearly on the Catholic Church mediation; there is a world of difference when one reads Catholic versus when one reads catholic. I realize that you see it as nonsense, but in English that capital letter or lack of it is significant; it is just part of the written language.
 * I have seen some Protestant writers claim to be catholic, but are clear they are not Catholic. In this context they claim origin in the apostolic authority and membership in the body of Christ, but with no allegiance to the pope.
 * Other than that I think we both share a similar understanding. I do fear we will have many that will fight against the title, Catholic Church, but as I have stated, I do think self-description is of primary importance. Thank you for your kind response. Peace. -- Storm  Rider  10:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This "world of difference" only works when practically all words are in lower key. But that's not the only possibility in English. And I reiterate, it is a corruption of thinking.
 * "I have seen some Protestant writers claim to be catholic" - but that's not the same as "claiming to be part of Catholicism". They simply use the word as in meaning #1 and claim a link.
 * Cheers, Str1977 (talk) 11:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the conversation. I will probably continue to use these distinctions, but I think I grasp some of your intent when you say it is nonsensical when I use it. -- Storm  Rider  18:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Peace


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 * User_talk:Queenie/Archive_2
 * Was floating through my archives and noticed this. It seemed that it ended pretty coldly, and I'd just like to offer my apologies once again. Hopefully, you won't think of me badly. :) Queenie  18:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Your recent deletions
If you're going to remove substantial, sourced information from featured articles, please discuss it on the talk pages first.  Serendi pod ous  08:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:GermanFMs
Regarding this edit, while Borussification may not be appropriate for Germany prior to 1867, the German Imperial government was undoubtably more or less identical to the Prussian government, and the Prussian Foreign Minister was the closest equivalent to a German foreign minister, in the political role with which we associate such offices today. ¿SFGi Д nts! ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 01:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That still doesn't make Prussian ministers in office before 1870 German ministers - and that was what my edit was all about. Str1977 (talk) 07:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's fine, but the ones after 1870 were also removed. ¿SFGi Д nts!  ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 21:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And rightfully so, I removed all Prussian FMs from the template titled German FMs. In as much as they were German FMs - some indeed held the office at the same time or at slightly differing times - they are of course included in the grouping "German Empire 1871-1918)". But those that merely were Prussian FMs are excluded from this template. They have no business being in there.
 * The gist is: the template lists German FMs and only German FMs are listed. Not Prussian FMs or Bavarian FMs or Badian FMs or FMs of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Only German ones! Str1977 (talk) 21:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In that case, all of the entries for the German Empire oughtr to be removed, as they were state secretaries and not ministers. Weimar too had state secretaries, but they are not listed in the template. ¿SFGi Д nts!  ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 21:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Henry VI
Hello.I have read on your comments for french monarchs that you support Henry VI of England was once a french monarch so I would appriciate it if You could help me officialy establish Henry VI in the list and I am also outnumberd 3:1 in my arguement to get him in the list of french monarchs.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I want you just to be my supporter in the list of french monarchs in order to firmly put Henry as a french monarch.His riegn is fine.I would like you just to be my back up on the matter.Charles was firmly put on the throne after his corination and so he became de jure king upon his corination.Henry was firmly on the throne from 1422-1429 since the dauphine was weak.We know HENRY had a corination as king of france but it wasnt at a traditional altar.Henry was regnal de jure king of france from 1422-1429.Again I just need you as a back up.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 21:33, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I actually agree with you now.Henry however was by fact king de jure until 1429 and king de facto until 1453.Good point.I agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk • contribs) 22:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * De jure, De facto. These terms shouldn't be added on to the Royal articles. Particulary where pretenders are concerned. GoodDay (talk) 15:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Henry should be listed as a pretender to the French throne on the List of French monarchs article; certainly not as Henri II!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:00, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We also need consistancy at Henry VI of England, Charles VII of France & List of French monarchs articles. We've currently got Henry's supposed French reign as 1422-29, 1422-50 & 1422-53. GoodDay (talk) 17:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How is he a pretender,he is regnal king of france.He has soveriegnty in france and so its a regnal title.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 10:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Reganl means a monarchs years upon asscending to the throne.Henry asscended to the throne of france in 1422 thus he is a regnal soveriegn of france.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Str1977: Thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me. Should an agreement be reached on this one, it would be the first time the Anglos & the French agree on anything! That's why I began my comment with "Speaking for the French side" - and I trust that in my various comments, you detect the "witty" side of me. A couple of weeks ago, GoodDay had found the perfect wording for the mention of Henry VI of England in the list of French monarchs & that is the type of consensus we should aim at. Now, if you come up with something better, I am sure we'll reach consensus.
 * 1) On a discussion page, I feel that everyone can speak freely & expose his/her point of view as long as that POV is not carried into the article, that is what the discussion page is about with the aim of reaching consensus. It also happens that this article is on French history, and it seems to me quite normal that within the international debate symposium offered by Wikipedia, a French person could/should/would take part in a discussion relative to the history of France & explain the French view on the matter. I hope you noticed that I have not forced my POV on anyone, just discussed it while having a fun little duel with our dear friend HENRY V OF ENGLAND.  Please also note that I have not even touched the paragraph within the article and, regarding what I think should be changed, I mentioned it on the discussion page asking if everyone would agree, ex: having "south of the Loire River" instead of "south of France" which is totally misleading.
 * 2) If I understand you correctly, you do not accept the parallel I made with the Parlement de Paris breaking L.XIV's will because it was at a latter period; at the time of which we speak, the right of succession to the throne of France was the same:  the dauphin was the legal heir to the throne and, if disinherited, had every right to fight for his right - whether his name was Charles (to be VII) or, at a later date, Philippe d'Orléans or Philip V of Spain, had all of L.XIV's direct heirs within France died - which would have been the signal for a war between France & Spain (and Austria), since the king of Spain was a grandson of L.XIV... In our discussion, we could also make a parallel between Charles VI's testament disinheriting his son (followed by the Treaty of Troyes), and Charles II of Spain's testament, which was opening the door for another battle of succession had the young Louis XV died. Every argument was based on direct & legitimate lineage down to the next guy until the direct line was exhausted, then cousins, nephews etc. could step in.
 * 3) On the legitimity of the dauphin: the second a dying king let out his last breath, came the announcement: Le Roi est mort.  Vive le Roi!.  And the dauphin was king.
 * 4) Back to Henry VI of England: there is no argument as to his having been crowned king of France at Notre Dame de Paris - historians do not deny the fact - but he is not listed as king of France because of all the reasons we discussed previously, some of these reasons having a different interpretation whether you are anglais ou français.

Cordialement, Frania W. (talk) 16:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Frania, Thanks for your message.
 * Agreement need to be reached only in regard to how to word a certain article, not on the differing opinions.
 * And sure you may express your opinion on the matter anytime. My nod to NPOV was not meant to preclude that but to insist that the article cannot be indentical to any one side of the debate.
 * I for my part am actually not on the other side from you - maybe because I am neither French nor English (but then I do not know of what nationality our friend HENRY is) - as I think that the Valois had a much better claim to the throne than any Plantagenet or Lancastrian, at least after Philip VI was firmly settled on the throne (OTOH, I see that Edward III mainly aimed at securing his continental possessions, not at conquering the whole of France - a goal he never pursued to the end). And what was questionable for the still largely French-speaking Edward was bad for the by then completely Anglicised Harry. The Dual Monarchy HENRY speaks about turned out to be largely a sham, as de facto English lords commanded in France. This propelled the actions of Jean Darc.
 * And sure French editors should take part in this debate. The only thing I reject is the impression that French editors are per se more qualified. But I have no complaints against you in that regard.
 * And sure the south of France sounds a little bit like: well, he held the Provence.
 * Yes, I do not accept the validity of your Louis XIV example because it was of a MUCH LATER period and because it is of course based on a French legal position that was long solidified in the 17th century - a thing we cannot simply assume for the 15th century (you might know that when one looks at even earlier times that France once was an elective monarchy). My point is that the King could disinherit his son and the son could contest that decision by the means avaiable (just as Edward III could contest Philip's succession by the means avaiable). I know of the Spanish sucession issue but am strongly of the opinion that in relinquishing his rights to the sucession, Philip did indeed do just that. One cannot take back one's word (that is the problem I also have with Edward III's sudden claim).
 * "On the legitimity of the dauphin: the second a dying king let out his last breath, came the announcement: Le Roi est mort. Vive le Roi!. And the dauphin was king." - When? Already in this day? And who is the legitimate heir that supposedly suceeds in this second? That by all means was the question so even the questionable principle you mention doesn't help. I call it questionable because it is a legal fiction that in the end has done more bad than good (some countries had mad kings because of it). And if taken seriously, the announcement would be superfluous.
 * Henry is not listed as a King of France because the Valois perspective that he was an interloper prevailed politically and historically. Our list reflects that as we do not insert Henry as the sucessor of Charles VI (instead of Charles VII) - this would be the English POV - or even insert both contestant immediately after Charles VII - a quasi-neutral position. No, I inserted Henry at the next section break. This is because history does look backwards from the hindsight of how things turned out. The quasi-neutral stance would be proper if we were doing this article in the year 1425.
 * Is GoodDay's wording that paragraph currently in place in the Lancaster section? If so, I am absolutely content with it. The only thing I want is that the section also includes the box for Henry VI. with a neutral presentation of the dates provided (not the POV slugfest that HENRY had put in there). I do think that this solution is something better.
 * Cordially, Str1977 (talk) 21:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Str1977: Thank you for your note & explanation.  Yes, "Agreement need to be reached only in regard to how to word a certain article, not on the differing opinions" and I believe that, as a whole, you & I agree more than not.


 * Henry VI navigation box: After long arguments with our dear HENRY V OF ENGLAND on the validity of the claim by both Henry VI (England) and Charles VII (France), we finally agreed on the use of GoodDay's word *disputed* to be inserted in the navigation box at end of article on Henry VI of England.


 * Paragraph in Lancaster section: the few lines seem to have been there for a while, but several times edited.  ON 21MAR09, our HENRY added a box for the House of Lancaster; it was reverted & put back, then corrected, and a few days ago, you stepped in & cleaned it up.  I think that the only detail missing in paragraph is a mention of the long English held rich Aquitaine, with the important port of Bordeaux from where wine was shipped to England.


 * As for what we do not agree upon, let's leave it at that & wish us good "working" relations in the future, as I am sure our paths will cross again (in fact, I believe they already hzve.)


 * Cordialement, Frania W. (talk) 01:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello and Gooday.I think we should both defend our possitions in the list of french monarchs disscution.We both agree that Henry VI(Henry II of France) was indeed a french monarch without doubt.you should check my post on the french monarchs disscution and check if you agree with what I stated.Goodbye.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 14:42, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hiya Str1977. I'm not fully convinced of adding Henry VI to the List of French monarchs article. Truth be told, I'm mostly anxious that Charles VII's reign remains shown as 1422 to 1461 & Henry doesn't use the name Henry II of France. GoodDay (talk) 15:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello GoodDay.I accepted your conditions and I will refrain from using Henry VI title as Henri II.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 17:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for accidentally reverting your text on Margaret of Anjou; I made a mistake.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

RE
I guess I could. Not got much to say though.-- Will C  21:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Legit
"What he may not have been legal, but is was legitimate." "What he was illegal but it was what he actually did." Neither of these sentences make sense to me. Tony2Times (talk) 22:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

double-monarchy
Hello and gooday.Do you think that a new article abot the double-monarchy of england and france should be created.IMO there should.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 18:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I never created an article but I started it yesterday.Goodbye.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 05:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

The Double-Monarchy of England and France
 * I think this article, might be a candidate for deletion. The Dual monarchies of Austria & Hungary are one thing, but this one's questionable. GoodDay (talk) 15:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Str1977 please review my latest EDIT on the article.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 16:09, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well.What have you been editing these days.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 01:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

RCC mediation
A draft of the note under mediation is up for comments here. Thanks,  Nancy Heise    talk  11:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Pope Benedict XVI GAR notice
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RCC Mediation
Your input is needed here to decide on one of three options. Thanks,  Nancy Heise    talk  03:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

RCC mediation
Sorry to bother you again, we now have an option 4 to consider since no one could agree on 1,2 or 3. Can you please come vote again? Thanks,  Nancy Heise    talk  18:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

You may wish to comment at Templates for deletion/Log/2009 June 8.

English & British monarch template
I'm happy with your compromise. Wasn't sure about the Commonwealth realms anyway. ðarkun coll 08:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I too favour adding the Scottish monarchs & creating a seperate Template: English monarchs. Also, the 'Picts and Scottish monarchs' will need splitting (as the Scottish monarchs had other predecessors). GoodDay (talk) 22:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm soon going to leave the (IMHO) pro-English PoV Template. At least one of the editors (who I've sparred with in the past, over this topic) continues to resist the proposed corrections. GoodDay (talk) 22:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I just left it. GoodDay (talk) 22:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Church mediation outcome
Hi, you are receiving this message because you were an original party to the mediation process regarding the Catholic Church name issue. The mediation outcome has been summarized and moved to the Catholic Church talk page here. Please feel free to come join our discussion of the outcome taking place now before making the actual changes in the article. Thanks for your help and kind cooperation toward a mutually agreeable solution.  Nancy Heise    talk  14:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Tom Nash
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Kinderkreuzzug
Das finde ich total richtig, dass der unbelegte Abschnitt aus dem deutschen Artikel Kinderkreuzzug entfernt wurde. Weitere Ergänzungen werden noch nötig sein... -- Sanblatt (talk) 07:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Gene Hunt
Hello Str1977,

Regarding the change you made on the above article, please make sure you do research before reverting something. I'm not sure if by stating "what's a portrayer?" you were trying to be smart or genuinely did not know what it meant, whatever the case see Merriam dictionary for a full understanding and also lists "portrayer" as a noun. For the reason stated above I am going to change it back to the previous revision which stated "portrayer" rather than "actor", if you disagree with this please do not hesitate to contact me on my talk page.

Thanks,

Police,Mad,Jack ☺ 17:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Who other than you states that it is "unnecessary uncommon and doesn't help in any way who John Simm is"? Portrayer is very close in meaning to actor and is a better description in my opinion. I have no interest in edit warring over something so little. I'll let you in on a thing that you obviously do not know about Wikipedia or Wikipedians - it is common courtesy to talk it out on the talk page before reverting yet again, which you clearly did not do in this instance. This is so that we could both have gained Consensus, something again which you obviously do not know or choose to disregard, for this reason I suggest you read it. Police,Mad,Jack ☺ 17:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Pyjamas
Hi Str1977

Could you please explain the {clearify me} here? What is unclear to you? I agree that we need more sources for all of this, but as far as I see, there are very few studies about this topic at all. There seems to have been one older german study, but for that one, I find only press releases about it, not the source and not even the date of when it was done. So this american study is probably the best we can get after all. --PaterMcFly talk contribs 09:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think my edit was quite clear. As you yourself said that the study (which is a dead link, BTW) gives only the present situation (and I will not speculate about the reliability of a lone survey). Furthermore, it suggests that there are only two choices: pyjamas or naked. How was pyjama defined in the study - in a narrow or in a wider sense? All these questions need answering before we can take this as a basis for that "have become less popular" statement. Str1977 (talk) 16:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I have replied on my talk page. --PaterMcFly talk contribs 18:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Kingdom of Bohemia
Hi. Do you know what really is Kingdom of Bohemia? I think not. Kingdom of Bohemia is historical official name o Bohemia. And Bohemia is only western part of my country the Czech republic. Others are Moravia and Silesia, but they wasn't never part of Kingdom of Bohemia.--KirkEN (talk) 16:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Read this web: http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/kuk_boehmen.htm And watch this picture - http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/kuk_Boehmen.gif --KirkEN (talk) 12:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC) And here is another links http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/germany/haxlbc.html http://www.google.cz/#hl=cs&source=hp&q=Lands+of+the+Bohemian+Crown&btnG=Vyhledat+Googlem&lr=&aq=f&oq=Lands+of+the+Bohemian+Crown&fp=6e766ec921e3b3f4 --KirkEN (talk) 13:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why I should. I know that what I said is accurate and that the longstanding version of titles is more historically accurate. Str1977 (talk) 15:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Carinthia (province)

 * Hi, Str1977! I see you have been involved in the previous discussion about renaming the article Carinthia (province). I've opened a new discussion about the renaming of the article to 'Slovenian Carinthia' (see its talk page) and moving the material about the statistical region to a separate article (like it has been done for other Slovenian statistical regions; see Statistical regions of Slovenia). Koroška is now a disambiguation page. --Eleassar my talk 06:38, 16 September 2009 (UTC)


 * diff --Eleassar my talk 19:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Kiderlen-Waechter
He was actually called Kiderlen-Waechter, see de:Alfred von Kiderlen-Waechter. Urban XII (talk) 14:36, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

There were federal ministers since 1919
This edit is inappropriate. Germany has had a federal cabinet with federal ministers since 1919. The Weimar Republic-era ministers were no less federal (as opposed to state level ministers) than the current ones. I suggest we just use "Minister of Foreign Affairs", the title usually used by English language sources when discussing German foreign ministers. Urban XII (talk) 19:11, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Vote Re CC origins and historians differing POV's
Hello Str, sorry to bother you but we are having a vote on the Catholic Church page regarding whether or not to include the dispute among historians regarding the Church origins. Can you please come an give us your vote so we can come to consensus? Vote is taking place here Thanks!  Nancy Heise    talk  01:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Inaccuracies in The Da Vinci Code
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 * I would like to clarify that the nomination was procedural, as the article was given a prod tag after it was previously contested, and said they did not know how to perform an AfD. Just wanted to clarify, as the bot above generalised me as the "nominator". Hope this helps, --Taelus (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Some way down the line, somebody made a choice that in the end, maybe through "procedural" alleys, resulte in the nomination. My comment applies to that somebody. I will not bother to find out who did it and why. Str1977 (talk) 17:50, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Catholic Church
Hi Str, we are discussing the sex abuse paragraph here. I am trying to get some past editors to come to the discussion so we can discover what others think. Thanks,  Nancy Heise    talk  19:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Your edits to HP-religious
The only thing I disagree with so far is your move of the secularism paragraph away from the Wicca section. The opening sentence of the Wicca section, "Harry Potter does not present witchcraft in such religious terms" now makes no sense, and moving the secularism section to the end of the article, after both Rowling and critics have pointed out that the books contain unambiguous Christian symbolism, seems a bit incongruous.  Serendi pod ous  15:28, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Then the sentence makes no sense and never made any sense. Whether the HP magic is like or unlike Wicca and how religion in general is included in the book are two totally different issues. Str1977 (talk) 15:37, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The point of the sentence is that Wiccan magic is invocational; their magic is derived from the power of deities. Harry Potter invokes no deities, therefore, the magic it depicts is mechanical, rather than invocational, and thus opposed to that of Wicca.  Serendi pod ous  15:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)2009 (UTC)
 * I leave it to you to decide whether the sentence makes sense or not. But the absence of religion (not just Wicca) from HP is a different subject. Str1977 (talk) 15:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "Secularism", as you call it, is not a response to criticism - how could it? - it is an item of criticism. Just look at the first source referenced in that section! Str1977 (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a response to a specific criticism: that the books promote a religion, wicca, and are thus barred from being placed in American school libraries.  Serendi pod ous  16:08, 5 December
 * Where is it a response to criticism? Where does the pragraph argue against the (secularist, ACLU-type) argument that religious books should not be in a school library? No, the paragraph cites Mrs Beam "The spiritual fault of Harry Potter is not so much that Rowling is playing to dark supernatural powers, but that she doesn't acknowledge any supernatural powers at all. These stories are not fueled by witchcraft, but by secularism." and adds praise by atheist voices, thereby making it an item of criticism.
 * I see your point that Wiccans would argue against the identification of HP witchcraft with their brand by pointing out that HP witchcraft has no religious dimension - in contrast to Wicca. That's a valid point and one that might be included if it is not already in there. But the paragraph in question doesn't make that point but criticises (or praises ) the film of being "without God". That's a criticism that shouldn't be censored or hidden, especially if one HP critic like Mrs Beam says that this (and not witchcraft) that is the actual problem.
 * PS. I will post this discussion to the article talk page so that others can benefit too. Str1977 (talk) 19:13, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Jennifer's Body
Hello, Str1977. I know that you do good work here, but I disagree with your recent changes to the Jennifer's Body article. This is why I reverted on that front. Could you discuss these significant changes first, on the talk page, if you still want them implemented?

For one, I prefer that the plot summary be told in in-universe style, as I stated here. But the main objection I have to your revision is that you gave the article an unneeded Cast section, when it already has a Casting section. I combined these sections earlier on when fixing up and expanding this article because there is no need for two. Having two, that simplistic, partly red-link Cast section, made the article look sloppier (in my opinion). Furthermore, I will be nominating this article for GA status soon, after I do more work/additions to it, and I feel that having a single, prose Cast section is more GA material. For more of my and others' feelings about Cast sections with prose being better, check here and here. Flyer22 (talk) 10:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

"Coup"
I have not had time to dig in to this article; the discussions on talk are too long and frequently stray from actual analysis of sources according to Wiki policy. There are now two theads on my talk page for your attention. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Dubious tag on Kent Hovind article
I don't want to get into an edit war here. I see your point and understand why you might disagree or think the quote isn't meeting the terms of the challenge but that doesn't change the fact that the article isn't claiming that she met the terms of the challenge, just quoting from a source. I suggest you read WP:DUBIOUS so you can understand why I reverted your tag. It's clearly sourced and not taken out of context from the source. Thanks Nefariousski (talk) 22:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Autoritäre Persönlichkeit
Hallo, den Begriff Autoritarismus habe ich hier absichtlich als Oberbegriff gewählt. Die Autoren dachten 1950 wahrscheinlich (weniger spezifisch) auch an den italienischen Faschismus neben dem deutschen Nationalsozialismus. doch ist diese Unterscheidung bis heute nicht immer scharf und hier auch kaum wichtig, da es um das gemeinsame Fundament geht. Jedenfalls ist "Authoritarian" in dem wichtigen Buch der Titel und auch der wichtigste Begriff, während Nationalsozialismus, Faschismus, Totalitarismus selten sind (ich müsste erst eine Auswertung machen - das Buch ist ja als Volltext zugänglich).

Deswegen meine Bitte, den Begriff hier nicht zu ändern, um im Sinne der primären Autoren zu schreiben.

--91.19.245.198 (talk) 15:32, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Ich weiß leider nicht, wer Du in der deutschen WP bist, daher kann ich nur hier antworten.
 * "Autoritarismus" ist mir hier zu unbestimmt, aber darüber könnte man noch reden. Allerdings geht in diesem Satz ja eben nicht um den bloßen Inhalt der Studie sondern um dessen Rezeption in Deutschland und etwaige Schwierigkeiten - und diese ergeben sich z.B. nicht aus dem italienischen Faschismus oder einem bloßen Autoritarismus.
 * "Im Sinne der primären Autoren" ist dagegen inakzeptabel weil es solch per WP-Richtlinie nicht geben kann. Str1977 (talk) 15:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Catholic Church - Arbitration Committee
Hello Str, Karanacs is trying to open an arbitration case against Nancy, me and the Catholic Church page. Could you comment on the allegations please at [Arbitration Requests Catholic Church]  Xan  dar  06:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Pumapunku
You deleted the alternative spellings in the lead, and left no edit summary. The alternative spellings are important for anyone who wishes to search for more information on the subject. Dougweller (talk) 09:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Please note...
...that threaded discussion on the arbitration request page is not allowed. If people wish to comment to other editors, they must do so in their own section. It's to stop the page getting out of control with threaded discussion. I'm a clerk appointed by the Arbitration Committee to oversee their pages - I've reverted you and I'd appreciate it if you didn't revert me again.  Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 14:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Catholic Church RfC
Input is welcome at Requests for comment/Catholic Church. Sunray (talk) 01:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Recent changes...
Morning! You've recently been making a number of changes of Hapsburg to Habsburg. I've absolutely no axe to grind on which version we use (indeed, Google books has 8,427 items using the Hapsburg version to 11,524 with Habsburg, making the latter no doubt more appropriate), but... in some cases, your comments have been a little brusque, for example "learn to spell". In other cases, edits put down as minor or with no edit comment are actually removing other bits of information, as in the case of Rudolph I of Germany, or in the case of Anti-Turkism deleting direct quotations from academic articles. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:23, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In one case have I marked an edit as minor despite actually removing information - however, that "information" was an intruding reference to an obscure work by Friedrich Schiller, who has no part in the main part of an historical article at all.
 * If sometimes something brusque escapes my fingers, it is due to frustration that editors use that ugly spelling.
 * The Turkish article presented the quote not in a NPOV manner. Str1977 (talk) 08:29, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not arguing that you shouldn't change it, just that an edit comment would be helpful for other editors following the changes. The use of the minor edit label is also supposed to represent something which doesn't change the meaning of the article at all and "could never be the subject of a dispute" - it is possible that someone else might disagree with you about Schiller. And on the Habsburg side of things, I quite understand! Hchc2009 (talk) 08:36, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I used the "minor tag", half in accident, only once so I have no patience for this discussion at all. But if somebody disagrees about Schiller, so be it. He may put that poet in some "literary references" section but in the middle of historical events of which the poet had zero understanding,
 * Also, in the cases where I simply correct the wrong spelling, I will not type in spelling every time. It is not my fault that there are tons of those misspellings around because editors don't feel inclined to be careful.
 * Str1977 (talk) 08:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Gandalf
Hi -- you might want to join the discussion at talk:Gandalf. Cheers -- Elphion (talk) 15:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Deputy Prime Ministers
Thanks for doing the work separating the First Secretary of State from Deputy Prime Minister. I was thinking I should have do it, so you saved me a job. Necessary work. Well done Mike Young (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Jens Böhrnsen
Why the edit war? Just read Talk:Jens Böhrnsen -- Chtrede (talk) 13:49, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, why are you edit warring? Why can't you leave it at the facts. Str1977 (talk) 13:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

The English language
Hello! Can you explain which English are you talking about that "around 6th century" is wrong in? Thanks Aregakn (talk) 22:12, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In any form of English it would be "around the 6th century (BC)". However, this differs in content from the former text which had "in a late 6th century BC Old Persian inscription". My "around 500 BC" is closer to this, especially since suspect that the inscription in question is the one at Behistun, created by Dareios I (522-486).
 * Maybe I was a bit too polemical in my edit summary but that came after being confronted by the earlier version which had "In Armenian language name for the country being Hayk‘", which is way of the mark. Str1977 (talk) 22:29, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you give me an WP:RS that argues the "late 6th c. BC"? if not, I'd call it an WP:OR and if a minority view, then could be WP:UNDUE. Thanks Aregakn (talk) 01:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't have time for such a nonsensical discussion. You call for RS when there are yet no RS either way - minority views, undue weight etc. are really pointless in such a situation. "around the 6th century" is much too imprecise as it would at least open up possibilities from 650 to 450. So please don't bother me with such things again. Str1977 (talk) 07:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Very civil. Aregakn (talk) 14:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you expect. You come to me with things like RS and OR when there has been no source for this item to begin with. Str1977 (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Vacancies
Hi. You removed the vacancies from the lists at the pages Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and First Secretary of State. I understand the oft-quoted desire for simplicity in such tables, but the vacancies are surely important - they serve to demonstrate that these posts are not always extant. Vacant is perhaps the wrong phrase for this particular situation - office defunct might serve better - but it surely needs to be indicated. Also, you removed the colour bar which indicated the party of the Prime Minister on these tables. Not a big thing, but I found it useful on the DPM table to illustrate the Churchill-Attlee and Cameron-Clegg situations. BartBassist (talk) 08:57, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The vacancies are not important because they are non-existent. DPM is merely a title and FSoS is merely an honorary office that just don't exist when nobody is appointed to them. To make matters worse is the splitting of these "vacancies" under different PMs and administrations.
 * I don't mind colouring the PMs (those that actually have business in appearing in the list. Str1977 (talk) 12:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Good job
Great work on the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, just a question, wouldn't it wiser to add references for your statements? --TIAYN (talk) 18:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

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Minister-President
"There are several fallcies proclaimed here: the term Ministerpräsident has nothing to do with being head of state (some imagine it to be a combination of "Minister" and "President"). Statements like "Using Prime Minister seems akward for a state. Prime Minister is usually used for the head of a federal government." is just plain absurd, as can easily be seen by the British or French example: both nations use (in English) Prime Minister without being a Federation and despite having a different person as head of state. BTW, Germans very occasionally do speak of the British PM as Ministerpräsident because that is the equivalent known to Germans."

I never said that Ministerpräsident was a head of state. I believe I've only called a prime minister a head of a federal government. I hope you weren't confused about how I used fedral. I meant is as pertaining to the national government level, as opposed to state, provincial, county, city, or town.

Based on the entire debate, it seems to be that there are several english names for the title. Kingjeff (talk) 19:05, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Ministerpräsident
Voting has started here. Kingjeff (talk) 03:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Second round of voting has started. Kingjeff (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

31 december 1989
the countries has changed its name therefore jaruzelski becmae the president of a new country —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barciur (talk • contribs) 20:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

redirects
Hi, I've undone your redirects of Polish Border Strip, Regency Council and Provisional Council of State as I see no justification for this nor can I think of one. It is true that the articles could use some expansion (though they appear to have sourcing already) but that is no reason to de facto delete them in such a manner, without a proper AfD discussion. In fact, such actions may be considered disruptive under some circumstances. Thanks.radek (talk) 18:59, 9 July 2010 (UTC) Btw, thank you for and good job on your expansion of Kingdom of Poland (1916–1918).radek (talk) 19:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If such separate articles must exist (though I don't see why they should), they must be accurate. Especially the border strip article was not. I fixed that and left the other two mainly untouched. And no, redirection is not deletion as all the accurate information from the respective articles were incorporated into the Kingdom of Poland (1916–1918) article. Str1977 (talk) 22:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


 * They should exist because they are on notable subjects, obviously - as indicated by sources. And of course the articles should be accurate, but I don't see how that squares with the removal of well sourced text, which I restored as well.
 * Merge discussion often takes places at AfDs as one of the options. Simply redirecting an article to a fork is not generally acceptable unless a consensus for such an action can be found.radek (talk) 23:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But I did not remove "well sourced text" - I merged all the information into the Kingdom article apart from what I found to be problematic, largely for overstating the case or making unfounded generalisations (especially the "the Germans wanted" in the Border strip article).
 * Whether the two governing bodies deserve their own article is a matter of editorial choice, not notability. Right now, the articles leave many things lacking. Str1977 (talk) 09:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

River Song and Doctor Who
Hi there. Could you provide an explanation to your edits such as this one where you removed a valid navigation template without using an edit summary? I see no consensus anywhere to remove them. Regards  So Why  20:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see the benefit in having such a template. If it is meant to be one like the "Daleks appear in"-templates, I would think it pointless but wouldn't have a problem with it appearing on every episode including River Song but it is more ambitious and therefore fails. It also tries to list the River episodes according to her timeline which is not the purpose of a navigation template. IMHO the purpose is better served by a table in the River Song (Doctor Who) article and has no business in being inserted into every episode article.
 * Furthermore, the template contained one item that isn't an episode and has no article. Navigation templates are for linking articles, not for listing things.
 * Regards, Str1977 (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Jolson edits
For the 3rd time in a row you are adding a cite tag to a sentence that has the source, along with a link. If you click on it you'll get the source. You'll also notice that the sentence you keep moving to the end was also in the beginning paragraph of the source. Can you please explain? BTW, you added some good improvements and corrections to Kazan. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 19:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * What was "in the beginning paragraph of the source" is of absolutely no consequence for an WP article. The "Jewish" sentence makes his ethnicity much to prominent an issue in comparison to his artistic achievements - and my version places it still in the lead (which IMHO is overly long).
 * The "world's greatest entertainer" needs to be attributed or removed. And he certainly wasn't considered that for the duration of his entire career.
 * I actually never added a cite tag (so much for WP:AGF and all that stuff) but a whom-tag, which merely seeks clarification about who made such an estimation. That's a proper request and the information (under WP:NPOV) needs to be in the article.
 * PS. As for the edit summary: Consensus? What consensus?
 * Str1977 (talk) 23:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Caution on Edit Warring
Please try de-escalate your edit warring on The Division Bell and use the talk page to discuss. I am not going to report you guys for 3RR violations but someone else might.--Bad edits r dumb (talk) 08:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. Parrot of Doom can be very aggressive in his edits, easily bordering on ownership of articles, but this amount of edit warring, not just with him but other editors as well, is ridiculous. I'm glad you started a discussion this morning on the article's talk page, but you have continued edit warring since then. Like the previous editor said, this could easily be reported. So please stop and give the discussion some time to form consensus. Thanks. --Friginator (talk) 21:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on ANI Noticeboard
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Friginator (talk) 22:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Advice
I saw the AN/I report about the dispute you were having with Parrot of Doom. Having had a quick look at it, I think there is merit in the edits you both made, and there is fault in the behavior of both of you. I suggest walking away from this one and giving it a couple of days. When you do that, you may find it no longer seems quite so important (for example) whether "United Kingdom" is spelled out or not. Let me know if you need more help. --John (talk) 00:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's unacceptable and, to put it mildly, hogwash. Walking away means I walk away and Parrot keeps "his" article to himself. The UK issue is not that important but whether the Animals article includes false information (and it does!) or whether articles endorse one view is important.
 * One could of course also ask whether WP is important at all but that's not something to be discussed on WP. Str1977 (talk) 00:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Division Bell
Hello. I replied over there! ~dee ( talk? ) 06:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied again. ~dee  ( talk? ) 09:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * And again. :-) ~dee  ( talk? ) 10:03, 29 September 2010 (UTC)