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Talk:2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal table
Hey Strange Passerby, how do you think the "mention for mixed-NOC medals in mixed pure-NOC/mixed-NOC events" should be expressed in the re-cap?

And also, do you mind voting in the section directly above the re-cap? Thanks, A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 08:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As I stated at Talk:2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal table, I'd like something like " [to be changed as other events take place] " I don't believe in a vote; I'd prefer a discussion with general agreement rather than going by numbers. Strange Passerby (talk) 09:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I do agree; a note would be great. Whether it be in the form of a footnote or an introductory mention, I don't know. As for the vote, I feel though there is already enough discussion on that topic, and it seems its starting to go in circles. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 09:52, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm not sure if the creation of a sub-page for the talk page is the right thing. I think WP:Archive states otherwise. The sub-page should be named "/Archive 1" and not "/Mixed-NOCs archive" at the very least. Comments? A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 15:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The talk page was getting to be pretty unmanageable. "The talk page guidelines suggest archiving when the talk page exceeds 50 KB", which it did. I've no issues with changing the subpage name. Strange Passerby (talk) 15:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That is subjective though and varies. Okay, let me perform a proper move ("/Archive 1"); it'll be better. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 15:55, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Athletes' medal record – Location of proposed medal record tables
Did you just change the flag in your page notice? Haha. Okay serious, can we move the proposed medal record tables to the article talk page? I will enclose them in a collapsible box, set to hide. So if editors want to see the proposals, they can just 'show' the box. If not other proposals such as mine would have be hosted in a different location, away from your sandbox. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 09:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, can I just add my proposals to your sandbox instead? A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 09:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll move the subpage to a more suitable name then you can add yours too. Strange Passerby (talk) 09:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Strange Passerby/Proposals for athletes' mixed-NOCs medal records. Strange Passerby (talk) 09:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks very much. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 10:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you're trying to correct the order of my proposals, but I'd appreciate it if you just focussed on presenting your own proposals than editing mine. Thanks. Strange Passerby (talk) 10:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think all my proposals are already covered by what is on the page. I just corrected the order of the headers in the medal record tables since they didn't conform to the standard, shown on Template:MedalTableTop. Everything's good now. Regards, A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 11:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Unsigned comment
Motherfucker Strange Passenby. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZirconiumTwice (talk • contribs) 10:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Singapore 2010 medal table
I don't know how to work with Wikipedia, so bear with me please. Dude, where did you find 6 gold medals for France? I specifically told you that I literally spent an entire day trying to fix the SYOG medal table on Wikipedia. I went to youtholympicgames.org and went to EACH AND EVERY RESULTS PAGE, and I put all the data into an Excel spreadsheet. First, I created a spreadsheet that has an Olympic medal event in each row, and the gold, silver, and bronze medal winning NOCs next to them. Then I created a eseparate spreadsheet, and I hand-picked every winning NOC and put the number of occurrences as gold, silver or bronze winners, almost like a tally chart. So tell me where did you find the 6th medal for France, then you can start changing the article. Alexshkhtmn (talk) 01:14, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, please see our policy on original research. Secondly, France won six gold medals: two in athletics, three in swimming, and one in boxing. Strange Passerby (talk) 01:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically, this is not original research. Original research would be if I went to the opposite side of the world (I live in New York), and went to every medal ceremony (tickets for which cost in the three figures), and counted those medals and wrote them down on my Facebook account (of which I have none). This is only data retrieval from a single primary source, and organisation of that data for clarity and ease of view. This is almost plagiarism, not research. Besides, you can't use a Wikipedia article as proof for data in another Wikipedia article; it doesn't make any sense! This is not what Wikipedia is about! It's about collecting data and consolidating data on one easily accessible domain, and that's what I am doing. 01:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexshkhtmn (talk • contribs)
 * France in athletics; two result-1s in medal events; France in swimming; three result-1s in medal events; Men's Super Heavyweight gold medal bout result, France winning. Six golds. Strange Passerby (talk) 01:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The swimming page only shows TWO gold medals. Look closer. I was referring to the exact same page for the past 12 hours, and nothing's changed (cause the SYOGs are over). The way I do it is I take my mouse and I hover over the word "Results" next to each gold medal event. If you do that throughout the Swimming page (be sure to check pages 1 & 2 of the chart), you'll only find TWO occurences of "FRA" in front of the word "Gold" (When you mouse over, a tooltip should appear.)Alexshkhtmn (talk) 01:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Three golds in swimming. I'd suggest you double-check everything else too. Strange Passerby (talk) 02:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, my goodness, I am so sorry. I did not expect there to be a tie for gold. May you accept my deepest, sincerest apologies. Just out of curiosity, which national anthems do they play at the medal ceremony in case of a gold tie? I don't know because they didn't cover the SYOG on NBC in the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexshkhtmn (talk • contribs) 02:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. :) Mistakes happen. They played both anthems and raised both flags in the gold medal position. Strange Passerby (talk) 02:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know in which order? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexshkhtmn (talk • contribs) 02:29, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In this particular case, they played the Chinese anthem before the French one, but the flags were all raised at the same time during the former. Strange Passerby (talk) 02:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I would presume that this was to follow IOC convention by listing the nations alphabetically in the case of a tie. Strange Passerby (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, and in order to not create bias by language, they use the 3-letter IOC country codes (FRA & CHN). That's smart. Whoever thought of that system has some pretty well-finctioning...kidneys. Listen, we gotta stop this chat session. I got a YouTube business to keep up. Speaking of which, my YT channel is AlexSh789. Check it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexshkhtmn (talk • contribs) 03:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Aaron Barclay
The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy nom declined: Dipak Das
Hi, I've declined your A7 nomination of Dipak Das. Although the claim of notability wasn't sourced, it was still a claim of notability. WP:CSD doesn't require a source. Your best bet would be to AfD using the rationale you utilized in your CSD nom. Happy editing, Airplaneman   ✈  04:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Same with Aslı Tandoğan. AfD is your best bet. Airplaneman   ✈  04:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Strange Passerby (talk) 04:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Using retired
What is your point on saying that I put "retired" at my homepage? That I am guilty? Please stop talking & telling but with some mistakes. You don't care that... Ranel (talk) 06:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy answer please, I'm waitingRanel (talk) 06:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you know how suspicious it is when a user makes a unilateral move only to suddenly retire from Wikipedia? Strange Passerby (talk) 06:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, Ranel5310 created a long-term abuse report on you, which was located here. The page has been deleted, as the report clearly did not meet criteria. There isn't a current issue regarding this, but I thought I'd just notify you in case you wanted to know. Netalarm talk 04:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification. Was it created today? Strange Passerby (talk) 04:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Or recently, I check on reports every few days. Netalarm talk 06:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Singapore 2010 medal table, again
I actually did a basic IP trace on the 190.43.41.230 address that keeps insisting that Peru won a gold medal, and guess what: It's located in Lima, Peru. Go figure, right?

Also, please let me do some reverts myself. I was making the revert on that last one, I clicked "Save page", and all of a sudden YOU showed up. Give me a chance, man. Alexshkhtmn (talk) 06:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, I just happened to have some free time and was browsing wiki on my mobile at the time. Good timing or something, heh. I kinda figured it'd be someone in Peru adding the mixed medal. Oh well, short of protection, which I really wouldn't support at this time, just got to keep reverting the unconstructive edits. Strange Passerby (talk) 08:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just want to say I'm thinking (again) that semi-protection is best. If I'm not wrong, almost all the unconstructive edits come from IPs? Well if that's the case, having semi-protection for the article is best since the IPs can only make changes by proposing amends on the talk page (which is healthy). A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 07:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, in my view there have been decreasing numbers of such edits, as I suspected. This weekend will mark two weeks since the end of the Games, so this is I think becoming ever less of an issue. My personal approach here would be to wait and see. Strange Passerby (talk) 03:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Alexia Sedykh
The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Aircraft crashes
You possibly haven't noticed UPS Airlines Flight 6. Uncle G (talk) 13:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed I hadn't; thanks. I'm now on my mobile (was on a PC earlier), so can't withdraw the AfD nom; I figure redirecting the AFD-nominated article and waiting a fw days to see how the other article develops would be the best way forward here. Strange Passerby (talk) 14:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

FL status for List of 2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal winners?
Hey Strange Passerby, how's everything? I see you are making quite some major edits to the List of 2010 Summer Youth Olympics medal winners article. Do you intend to raise it to FL status? I can offer my assistance if so. Oh and on a sidenote, I'm currently looking at the FLC nominations of two 2010 Summer Youth Olympic articles – which is pleasing :) A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 07:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd love it to, but feel the number of redlinks in the article will hamper it. Strange Passerby (talk) 09:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What is FLC's stand on redlinks in featured-class articles? A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 10:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess within four years, most of the red links would turn blue. That's my hope, and it's highly likely? Haha. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 10:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think ideally featured items should have no more than one or two redlinks. An article with more than 90% of its links as redlinks will likely never pass F*C. Strange Passerby (talk) 10:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What about de-linking links to non-existent articles? So the names will remain black. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 07:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Per WP:OLYCON, they should preferably remain redlinked. In any case, given the inherent notability of winning a Youth Olympic medal (arguably not a dissimilar achievement to winning a Paralympic medal), they'll eventually become bluelinks. I think this probably won't be a problem once some of them start to move on to their professional careers, but the hockey/football/handball/volleyball teamlists will be huge chunks of redlinks for quite a while. Strange Passerby (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay sure. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 14:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

CSD Declined - Michelle Napier
Hi! Just to let you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Michelle Napier as it was not a candidate for speedy deletion, because there was some assertion (albeit unreferenced) of notability. Under the rules of speedy deletion for A7: the criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Claims of being a tv presented is a credible claim of significance. If you think the article should be deleted, I would suggest you use AFD. Stephen! Coming... 09:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't say I agree on the claim of significance, but fair enough. Strange Passerby (talk) 09:36, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Prep 2 diversity
Could you please move one of the church hooks from prep2 to prepextra for diversity sake. Thanks.4meter4 (talk) 01:47, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Strange Passerby (talk) 01:49, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: T:TDYK
Hey, thanks for 'passing by' my talk page. I left comments there.--NortyNort (Holla) 08:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Colonia Exhipódromo de Peralvillo
There is a drop down menu on the Delegación Cuauhtémoc page from which you can select the colonia. It doesnt change the URL.Thelmadatter (talk) 20:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK followup
I've responded to your questions regarding the DYK nomination for 2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final. Let me know if there's more explanation/followup needed. Thanks for pinging me on my talk page by the way. I would have taken at least another 6 hours to notice and respond if you hadn't. --SkotyWATC 06:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, I've also gone and moved the nom to Sept. 4 which, I realize now, is where it should have been based on the guidlines. Sorry for the confusion.  --SkotyWATC 21:26, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Re:Minor DYK issue
That's why I threw them in together- they're pretty minor species, and it's not really an area of speciality for me. I'll have a snoop around and see what I can find later today. J Milburn (talk) 12:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. J Milburn (talk) 12:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tanners' Bridge
Thank you for your DYK review on Tanners' Bridge. Please see my response and let me know if you still need anything else. --  S ulmues (talk) 21:28, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Jordan Creek
Thanks for the DYK nom. I was trying to think of a hook when your message appeared. I added a comma and removed a "the"; otherwise it looks fine. Thanks again. Finetooth (talk) 02:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nom for John Lynch (radio)
Hi there! Thanks for looking at my DYK nom; I really appreciate it! I've responded to your concerns on T:TDYK. Cheers! Edge3 (talk) 14:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with your suggestion labeled ALT2. Thanks for reviewing my hook!! Edge3 (talk) 16:06, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem! Strange Passerby (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you, very much, for your kind words at Articles for deletion/The Most Hated Family in America about my work on the article. Much appreciated. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 14:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Xchanging page
Hi Strange Passerby,

You are absolutely correct! I was asked to keep the Xchanging Wikipedia page up to date and relevant, and also prevent this one man band from putting up these rumours about our company. It became more important that I actually register myself as a proper editor, so I can learn about the pillars, and also gain enough reputation that I can find a way to block this guy. He left our company some months ago for completely unrelated reasons, and has been asked to provide medical proof of the claims he makes, but he has since refused! Xchanging's only recourse is to continue to monitor his posts.

David Andrews, the CEO, had his wiki page deleted for an unrelated reason by Cirt, so I was asking him how we could make it better, and get it reinstated.

Thanks for your interest though! Any advice on how to learn about being a better editor would be greatly appreciated.

Rowing101 (talk) 13:24, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Patrick van der Eem
Hello! Your submission of Patrick van der Eem at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 03:53, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking the time to review the submission. I checked the length of the prose at the time of nomination (4400 characters) against the longest revision of the article prior to expansion (805 characters) and the expansion ratio is still over 5x after subtracting infoboxes, captions, quotes, etc. Has any criteria changed in determining this? KimChee (talk) 04:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My bad, didn't check the page history on it. I'll approve it. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 04:55, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you again. :) Please don't forget to add the Symbol confirmed.svg verification checkmark at your convenience so that the editors updating the queue do not miss it. KimChee (talk) 05:16, 19 September 2010 (UTC)



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Reviewer granted
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ANI: AJona1992
Thank you, very much, for turning my ramblings and everyone else's contributions, concerns and comments into something that makes sense. It is much appreciated. Thanks again, Robert / R OBERT M FROM LI  TALK/CNTRB 01:56, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, good luck with the mentoring. On a tangent, I was the one who reviewed his nomination of Amor Prohibido (song) for DYK (on hold, not expanded 5x); he seems to be moving in the right direction. Cheers, Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 04:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Hixon
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

No Bad Faith implied
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply bad faith on your part. I wasn't even thinking about you or the nominator really when I cited WP:DONTBITE, rather I simply meant to point out that the creator is a novice editor and that it's generally acceptable to relax the rules lightly in such cases to encourage more edits in the future. It's good that you didn't prod this for a speedy, or else this little piece technological history may have been lost :) — Code  Hydro  12:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, we'll put it down to a miscommunication. No worries. I've now withdrawn the AFD. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 12:37, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jordan Creek (Owyhee River)
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 18:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
I would like to say that I am so thankful that you have come to the AN/I and decided to keep me around. I won't let any of you guys down, I want to keep reaching my goals which is to transform stub articles into GA and FA's which I have almost successfully have done. Thank you, your such a kind person who I am so happy to have meet in my life. Thank you. AJona1992 (talk) 02:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're on the right path. Keep it up and don't get in trouble. Good luck. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 02:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi
Hi man, about your belief i was acting in bad faith with regards to my mentioning you had accidentally deleted some content, do you not think perhaps it is you who is assuming bad faith :) I was just pointing out it had happened, i was not trying to infer you did it purposely, just that a mistake had been made, sorry if you think i was accusing you of anything mark nutley (talk) 15:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If I'd really intended to blank the section I obviously wouldn't have then gone on with my account and said I did it, so yes, you're right, I did infer your statement as an accusation. However, since you've clarified your comments, I think we can put it behind us. Cheers, Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 17:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy Strange Passerby's Day!
For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 04:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :) Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 04:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're Welcome! :) Keep up the good work! :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 04:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Forgot to preview, but I have noticed that clicking on the tildes sometimes puts my sig no where near where my cursor is, which is what I think happened there. I blame Chrome. It just did it again, I typed the full stop after Chrome and a space, clicked on the tildes, and they end up in the section head. And again. I'll do it manually. Dougweller (talk) 05:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Happened to me plenty of times before when I was contributing from my mobile phone. Rather annoying. :) Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

RE:
Hi, I replied your points on my DYK nominations. The Night of Enitharmon's Joy was really created in Sept 25, but its hook is about an expanded information added in Sept 28. Thanks, N and O   ta lk !|undefined   01:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I can try, but it is very, very difficult because I've used all my material available on the subject. Thanks, N and O</TT>   <TT>ta lk !|undefined </TT>  01:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, my friend, I think I've done something interesting now. See: A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother. <TT>N and O</TT>   <TT>ta lk !|undefined </TT>  02:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Rebecca Nolin
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Commonwealth Games DYKs
How's everything since the medal table? I realised I still need to close one segment of the discussion; have been really busy these days. I might call up the participating editors again to finish that one. Btw, you can review my DYK nomination of Venues of the 2010 Commonwealth Games as well. I didn't impinge on your policy on non-talkback usage I hope? A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 15:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Have responded there. I think there's no longer any issues with the medal table, and to restart any discussion now would probably not be the best idea. Just archive it? Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 15:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not really to do with the medal table, it's more with how we should present the mixed-NOCs issue across the XX (sport) at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics and the XX (nation) at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics articles. I'll discuss it at the talk page very soon and alert contributors, you can join in if you want to. A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 16:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I think the status quo is pretty stable. Just let me know if you do go ahead with the discussion. Thanks. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 16:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I've corrected the issue you raised over the Venues of the 2010 Commonwealth Games DYK nomination. You can review it again if you wish to. Cheers, A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 16:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Have responded at the nomination's entry. Cheers, Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 16:11, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

While I suspend any action on the merger of Commonwealth Games Village 2010 into Venues of the 2010 Commonwealth Games, would you mind contributing to the discussion at Talk:Venues of the 2010 Commonwealth Games. I'm not getting enough opinions. Regards, A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 01:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look and respond in a bit. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 01:28, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Can you review the DYK nomination of 2010 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony once more? Thanks, A NG C HENRUI Talk♨ 10:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles_for_deletion/Tyler_clementi
Hi, I noticed that you added not a vote to the AfD. Has there been an issue with canvassing off-wiki for this discussion? Thanks, Fæ (talk) 17:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't noticed any SPAs (except one I which I tagged earlier, I believe), but I think the template does serve a purpose here, as there have been a few vote-like comments which haven't made any attempt to indicate their reasoning; it's worth reminding those involved that it's a discussion, not a vote.  Giftiger Wunsch    [TALK]  17:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be a poor reason to add this template, hopefully not the reason that Strange_Passerby added it. I suggest the reason parameter is added with a clear explanation, preferably pointing to external URLs that are an issue. Fæ (talk) 18:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, the fact that several users are treating AfD as a vote is a poor reason to add a notavote template to remind users it's not a vote? Can you explain your reasoning?  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  18:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I am just going by the text on the template: "If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is not a majority vote..." Consequently if there is no evidence that people are !voting because someone asked them or because the AfD is being mentioned externally then the template is being misapplied. If you have other guidelines that apply in this situation then I would be happy to be corrected. If no such reason is added then I believe anyone would be justified in removing it as an arbitrary and potentially an off-putting notice. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 18:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm certain I saw a guideline a while ago which mentioned that the template should be used where users are treating it as a vote, or where there's some reason to believe that they might, but I have no strong feelings as to whether or not it's appropriate in this case. Clearly the first part of the message is a little irrelevant, but I believe replacing the reason in the template will allow specifying a reason other than potential sock/meatpuppetry. I think the note is helpful other than that part; there's nothing stopping us simply substing it and manually removing the first part, of course.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  19:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You are free to do so, though you could just make a comment in the discussion rather than confusing the page with non-standard notices you just created. While you think about it I'll go ahead and remove the current apparently misleading notice (recognizing that SP has not explained why it was added). Fæ (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Why does a notice have to be "standard"? It's a general notice for the participants to remember that it's not a vote. I have already made comments to that effect, with little effect, and a note at the top would be more visible and do the job more effectively. If it's constructive, why not do it?  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  19:29, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said, you are free to do so. Personally I would be concerned about being criticised for making my opinions appear more authoritative than they really are. When I have added special notices to discussions this has been after a reasonable level of consensus. As an AfD is rather more transient than article talk pages, this would seem a good reason to stick to the standard notices rather than taking the discussion off-topic to gain support for arbitrary special notices. Fæ (talk) 19:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * There is pre-existing consensus that AfD is not a ballot. As I suggested before, changing the reason does indeed allow removal of that presumptuous meatpuppetry note and replacement with a more suitable one: I have added the notice . I hope that is to your satisfaction.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  19:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, I am wholly unconcerned with being criticised for "making my opinions my authoritative than they really are", as the notice is an already-established template, approved for use in AfDs where it is being treated as a ballot, and all of the comments I have made have been open discussion with other participants giving policy-based reasoning, and I would challenge anyone to demonstrate the contrary. Anyway, I've corrected the template; problem resolved, I hope.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  19:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have made my reasoning clear, I feel the notice you have now added is superfluous, off-putting and without consensus. But these are just my feelings rather than hard policy and I have no desire to 'win' an argument on a point of style. Fæ (talk) 21:47, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Fæ, I apologise for not responding earlier; as my status said, I was offline. But basically, GW's done a really good job of explaining my view on this. I was unaware of the customisable notaballot, so just used notavote for the reasons GW noted: it was starting to be treated as one. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 01:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)