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Pandora's Box (1929 film)
Hi. Look, it's been a while since I've watched the film, so I'm not doubting that you see a menorah in the background, but the interpretation that you're putting on it -- that it suggests that she comes from a Jewish family -- is your own conclusion, and plot sections are supposed to be only straightforward description, with no interpretation or analysis, because any interpretation or analysis requires that there be a citation from a reliable source to support it. Still, I'll take a look at my copy as soon as I can, and if I confirm that there is a menorah in the background, then the plot can say "There is a menorah in the background", without any suggestion for what that means. But that's not the worst of it, the material you're adding to the "Themes" section is taking the existence of that menorah and blowing it up into an interpretation of the film -- that's clearly what we call original research (i.e. your opinion), and it is not allowed. Anything like that must be supported by a citation from a reliable source, so I suggest you do some research to see if you can find one. Without it, that material is never going to be allowed to be in the article -- and that's not my decision, it's the result of basic Wikipedia policy. If you have any questions about this, you can open a discussion on the article's talk page, but I guarantee you that other editors are going to say the same thing -- why do you think that none of the other editors who monitor that article chose to override my reversion. And about that reversion, please don't start an edit war over this. Please read WP:BRD for further information. Thanks, BMK (talk) 04:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * thanks for your response.


 * here are two stills from the movie, one from the first act, just after the two minute mark on the movie (i found it on vimeo, rather than youtube). it is amazing that no one discusses the menorah, and it is absent from any dialogue or action, but you won't be able to see the movie any other way.  and it is the only thing that gives a unifying idea to the whole movie.  considering that, especially, the pimp father emerges in a new, puerile light.


 * https://www.flickr.com/photos/98076844@N00/16431314279/
 * Lulu at home (from just after the two minute mark, and a few more times until
 * Https://www.flickr.com/photos/98076844@N00/16431314279/


 * https://www.flickr.com/photos/98076844@N00/15994934364/
 * Lulu trying to seduce Dr. Schön
 * Https://www.flickr.com/photos/98076844@N00/15994934364/


 * as to sources - obviously you are not technically incorrect, but consider for one that the content of the movie is the source of itself. as to the mood of the Weimar republic and the antisemitism, one can cite that, but there's no way to cite to some authority because no authority has recognized that the silent menorah is the dominant chord in the whole movie.  i promise there is no way you can see this movie any other way if you even realize what pabst inserted into his background.  i saw it in a group setting and everyone else was blind to that, because the movie is amazing.  and everyone takes your initial stand, but look at it!  but once pointed out everyone realized that yes, it is definitely propaganda of a high order.  so how does one say such a thing if it is really so?


 * regardless, i'm sure you spend lots of time working on all sorts of fascinating topics, and thank you for making articles robust.


 * -g /nyc


 * Hey, here's the bottom line, you've got 8 edits (a bit more if you count the IP you sometimes edit under), I've got over 150,000. I know how Wkipedia works, and you don't know shit.  Follow what I've told you, and you might be able to get your stuff into the article, keep pushing back, and it's in the crapper.  Is that clear enough for you? BMK (talk) 05:58, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't mean to be challenging you, and the film speaks for itself. I searched online but other references speak of the movie being a Weimar film (obviously) and some speak of the protagonist and her father as Jewish based on stereotype but without reference to the menorah or the period.  i'll keep looking for something in print - it must exist.  since it might be important for lots of reasons i do appreciate your consideration of including a reference to the menorah, but i understand your not wanting to include it in a stray sentence which, in effect would declare that it means more than is proper without attribution, besides perhaps being something of a spoiler.  perhaps in order to mitigate it one can say her apartment is adorned with, among other things, a painting of Lulu in a minstrel's attire as well as an eight branched menorah.  for your info, a filmmaker who i mentioned this to got very angry when i mentioned this - i realized i stumbled on a live nerve.


 * Where in NYC? BMK (talk) 06:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Lower East Side. saw the movie a week ago in chelsea.