User talk:Struway2/Archive 8

PC updates
Don't know why am i doing this seeing your reaction when i reported User:Borocho22, but here's what this other chap (this one active as of today!) thinks or his MANY messages/warnings (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arnaldo_Edi_Lopes_da_Silva&diff=599902892&oldid=599221235). Check his talkpage to see what i mean...

Cheers --AL (talk) 03:03, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * No follow-up comment, especially in Neves' article? I hope (and again, this stems from my perennial depressive state of mind maybe) i was not rude or "holier than thou", i apologize if you felt like it. --AL (talk) 01:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks mate. About Neves: i repeat what i told you above, the BEACH SOCCER RESTELO covers the injuries part of storyline, for example with the line "As suas lesões, muito graves e constantemente agravadas, também não contribuíram para a sua afirmação no plantel encarnado.", which means "His injuries, very serious and relapsing constantly, also did not contribuite to him affirming himself in the reds' squad." (having addressed that and since you believe me i reckon, can i remove the tag?) About the user(s) that don't PC update: i know you are not an admin, but i noticed you were involved (so to speak) with both of them, i tried not to do the same myself because i have an history of 1 - not being listened to; 2 - being insulted to top it; 3 - not using the proper guidelines as far as warnings go. I dearly appreciate your assistance in this instance.

Again, thanks for your time, please reply "Yes" or "No" (simple as that man) to the tag issue. Cheers --AL (talk) 18:15, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Not being a blog (for example) is the only "defense" i can come up with. Never mind (this FRIENDLY discussion has been going on for longer than it should, and we both have other wiki-things to attend to i imagine), tag stays.

I'll try the MD website again today (not keeping my hopes high on a Spanish web keeping track of a Portuguese obscure player's injury record, though), but that's it. Cheerio --AL (talk) 16:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Perfect article
Thanks for giving me some advice. Based on it I have created Iván López Álvarez article. Let me know, if there any mistake in this article. RRD13 (talk) 12:19, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. Firstly about that link, I copied it from List of Cypriot football transfers summer 2013. Secondly, can you please tell me, how can I improve List of foreign football players in I-League. RRD13 (talk) 09:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Tiago Borges
Sorry for the mistake. I will soon correct it. RRD13 (talk) 17:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for your kind remarks, although I don't think I deserve them. I might come back, in another guise, in the future but will keep away from football related articles. Best wishes and keep up the good work. 78.147.165.119 (talk) 09:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC) (Aka Daemonic Kangaroo)

PC updates
Hi there STR, AL "here",

yes, i could be more understanding of the other people's efforts in helping (i saw your summary at Carlos Milhazes), most are not vandals at all so i have no business exploding like i do, but if i have not mended that by now... But i'm really fed up with those WHO ARE vandals (you have no idea just how), hence it's really the best thing for me to leave after the 2014 FIFA World Cup, like i told you some years ago, this is not fun for me anymore, more like a chore. I'm not kidding myself and think "Oh, i leave for six months, cool down and when i return, it will be a bed of roses", no, vandalism in WP is just one of those certainties, it will NEVER end, just like there will never be peace in the Middle East and football will never be a "factor of worldwide union", it will always a place where idiots go to vent their frustrations insulting the players (on BOTH teams), the referees and sometimes maim and/or kill each other, and where the due participants (players and coaches) don't know how to win or lose - my country has two of the best in the world in that department, this guy and this other guy, latter loses at home with the bottom-placed and blames the refereeing, and his physio coach has been sent off more times than some hardcore stoppers in some leagues!

Back to the PC update thingy: 1 - i, more often than not, have this outbursts when the player belongs to a Greek team, because i am almost certain (cannot prove it of course) that it's User:Antony1821 fulfilling his threat of socking until the cows came home if someone blocked his original account, despicable as can be; 2 - i noticed that you corrected me on Athletic Bilbao players even though the update was correct (i.e. game ended on 20 APRIL 2014, i wrote that minutes after game ended, but without the tilde approach, is it still wrong like that?).

Cheerio, happy editing --AL (talk) 15:59, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Stats and records
Ok, I wasn't aware of the Policy, it's not something I'm that clued up on regarding Wikipedia, but I see where your coming from. It's a shame that the season wins and losses (not the home and away ones) can't be put somewhere, I almost didn't put the Draws in anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neil J Murray (talk • contribs) 21:30, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

List of Lincoln City F.C. players (25–99 appearances)
Hi, was looking through this list and noticed you've missed out Luke Foster's stats from his first spell with Lincoln. He also has England C honours. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 13:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Awb
I do take responsibility of every edit that I have made, regardless of the program that has been used. Although there are some issues with the program as well. For example, AWB also tags those pages to be Orphan that are not linked by 3 or more pages, so we have to avoid it, especially with the new pages. Underlinking has been disputed too, that whether AWB should be used for tagging 'underlinked' or not. Although AWB is still great for identifying if a page has enough links or not. I think I will be using AWB like I did before, once its new version is released. Carry on with us!  Occult Zone  ( Talk ) 17:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Liam Ridgewell
Hello, I noticed you reverted my edit on Liam Ridgewell page. Can I ask why? West Brom's season is officially over and Liam Ridgewell has been released from the club. --Skyblueshaun (talk) 18:00, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Administrator intervention against vandalism
Thanks for your report at Administrator intervention against vandalism about a disruptive editor editing various football related articles, using IP addresses beginning 2602:30A:2CA3:8290:... Back in February I range-blocked this editor for a month, and I have now put a longer range block on the same range. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:08, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Fixing redirects
I really wasn't aware of the rule. Thanks for your advice/suggestion. Coderzombie (talk) 18:14, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Footballer Nationality
You removed my edit for Sone Aluko's page without really giving a good reason. I changed it from just "footballer" to "English footballer" because that's what he is, and that is his official nationality. Look at every single other footballer article. The nationality is always included in this way. If you could explain your reasoning, please respond, thanks! Raudys(talk) 13:44, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Tiresome...
Hi there STRUWAY, AL "here",

Maybe you'll be interested in this message (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Royroydeb#Modesto_Acosta_de_la_Rosa), have already explained this to him more than once, to zero avail it seems. And like i said, in the player Moisés Delgado López which i now will cleanup, the reference belongs to JULY 2013 and he adds that ref for his debut which took place in MAY 2014!

Cheers, happy week --AL (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, i am engaged in an edit war with him, he adds them as SEVILLA A players when none have been promoted to the main squad on a permanent basis. If i am blocked for 3RR, all the better, will leave sooner than expected. --AL (talk) 16:03, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

There, cleaned up both players to the best of my abilities. --AL (talk) 16:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for bothering you, not my intention my apparently i did. --AL (talk) 01:53, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

No mate, nothing on you, it was just me and my depressing ways when i don't get a reply. Exclusively my fault, i never even bothered to check your contributions for that day and see that you may have been absent, please accept my apologies.

Cheers --AL (talk) 15:29, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Sortability for tables on season articles
Hi, could I ask for some advice on whether to sort the player tables on club season articles? I've used the sort function on the articles for recent York seasons, but with us playing in five competitions this season the columns don't fit on the page when the table is sortable. I've transitioned them back to non-sortable for the past two seasons so they're consistent, but I'm wondering whether to only remove the sort function when necessary like with this season? I'm also unsure whether to write country names in full or to use three-letter acronyms. Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've had a go comparing unsortable tables with positions written out and with abbreviations, and for me the latter look neater, especially with the nationalities being abbreviated. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:36, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Tomas
You can very well see the full name at the Soccerway profile mentioned in the external link. RRD13 (talk) 07:54, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have added the HKFA link, which I think will suffice. RRD13 (talk) 08:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mr Woodrow
Looks good to me, hopefully he does send out a Tweet and this is all sorted out! Mattythewhite (talk) 21:11, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

CCI closed
MER-C 10:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Matt Derbyshire
Hi, do you know a site that might provide Derbyshire's Greek cup stats for 2008/09? Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 17:54, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Time to go
I will return, but now will go on an extended break, am in dire need of one. Happy break, nice working with you my wiki-friend! --AL (talk) 17:52, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

July 2014
Hello, I understand your reasoning for undoing my edit but I did state in the edit summary I was awaiting match report. Skyblueshaun (talk) 20:56, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello, Ok I understand I assumed it was alright to add info now and make sure I add report later. But from know on I will wait until official website report before making edits. Cheers Skyblueshaun (talk) 21:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Mikel Arce
Hi, how are you?

I saw this stats in an article, and I also saw ZeroZero. But as the former looked more reliable, I insterted 2/0.

Sorry about that, and thanks for fixing the page.

About Calahorra, saw it in futbolplus.com. cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 13:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * As you probably may have noted, i can't quit, i'm hooked, editing much less and avoiding all forms of conflict, but not quitting nonetheless. I added EMD reference to avoid what you just did, inserting a mere link (BDFUTBOL) as a ref. Also, i did not know you could write "...played AT LEAST three times..." in an encyclopedia, i do now.

Last but not least, you piped stuff wrong and not everything, i explain: 1 - there are two Marino ballclubs in Spain, Marino de Luanco and CD Marino, so you need to differentiate; 2 - if you pipe club names in storyline, then pipe everything, you missed CD Lourdes.

After the minor edit i will perform after this message, don't worry i'll leave article in peace. Cheers, Always (not) Learning --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it was the correct one. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:46, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

No further comment on the "...played at least three times..." thing? I hope i did not come across as aggressive or akin, not my intention. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Who am i kidding i can't leave, that shows how poor my life is (not saying WP is a bad thing, it is not, but there is life outside WP for sure)! But from now on (and i want to be blocked immediately if i fail in this): 1 - no more stupid summaries (no promises with vandals i'm sorry); 2 - no more wrong use or rollback; 3 - i will only edit in (some) Spanish/Portuguese football(ers), why the "some"? I have never edited, for example, in Cristiano Ronaldo or Andrés Iniesta.

Happy weekend, sorry for any inconvenience and never mind this poor old fool from Portugal. Cheers --AL (talk) 17:20, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Searched like a madman through the Spanish WP for a source that he only played once in division 3 so that i could erase that BDFUTBOL link posing as a ref (you don't know how much i want to, not because you added, no siree, because of what i said, it's a LINK!), could not find anything, so it stays.

Also (again), could not stay true to my promise of leaving the article in peace, added personal details about him. Please: 1 - correct the English if need be; 2 - remove it altogether if it's not encyclopedical.

Cheerio --AL (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * "Hilarious" but bound for removal or not? I mean, i was thinking of something as Mr. Olympia, more regional. I repeat man, remove it if it was wrong, not taunt it, i was only looking for improvement, i could not care less what Mr. Arce's body looks like. Maybe it was a "make up" edit for not finding those football sources. --AL (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Maybe i exaggerated a little bit with my wording in the above message ("taunt"), i was a little tipsy at the time of writing it and for that i must apologize, WP is not a place for that. But seriously mate, please elaborate because i want to learn, you know me for eight years now, you know i would never vandalize a page if they paid me: what did you mean with "hilarious", did you mean "Hilarious, quite educational and encyclopedical and it also made me laugh" or "Hilarious, what a load of nonsense, this does not belong in an encyclopedia".

Like i told you yesterday, if it's the latter please remove it or ask me to remove it. But please don't think ill of me. --AL (talk) 18:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks a million for the reply. Of course, now it's my turn: i know you know i am not a vandal and do not doubt my best intentions, but in saying that it surely looks that i am doubting yours (i.e. "please don't think ill of me" could imply there was a possibility you would think ill of me). Nothing farther from the truth, compared to you i am ZERO regarding WP technicalities, so i wanted to know for sure i had not incurred in any wiki-wrongdoings.

Cheers --AL (talk) 18:58, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Sébastien Pocognoli
I wasn't aware that 'px' wasn't supposed to be in the image size parameter, and I use  rather than   because it makes the infobox neater. Thanks, GiantSnowman 07:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Football/Players MoS
Hi Struway. Question here regarding a project page.

Following from the original question posted on WP:FOOTY Player MoS and the suggested acceptance of the career statistics template, a further discussion was raised, whereby a count shows 5 editors to 3 in favour of listing seasons chronologically. Should the table and text on the MoS page be updated to reflect consensus? Thank you. LRD NO (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, cheers for the reply. My concern is that whatever little was touched towards the end of the discussion two years back did not show consensus that the seasons should be listed by clubs instead of chronologically but the template had been incorporated into the MOS even if opinion in the January 2014 discussion was clearly not totally supportive of listing by clubs, and may be used by other editors to cement their argument in the event of a dispute. What would you advise? LRD NO (talk) 10:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

(The) Gay Meadow
Our own article on the Gay Meadow uses "the" interchangeably, but of course, Wikipedia is not a source. I think it is a totally undefined thing, as this link from the BBC while the stadium was still in use says "The Gay Meadow", while your official link said "Gay Meadow". I think WP:COMMONNAME revolves around mass media sources, so more investigation will have to be done before we get to the definitive (no pun intended) name. All this for three letters, this is why I love editing! &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 14:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Yannick Djaló
Apologies for having removed the second picture in this player's article. Seemed a bit too much (a nearly equal pic to the one in box, and one which screwed the article's outline in my opinion), but i really should have said so in the summary. Thank you for restoring it accordingly.

Guess you can take a man out of WP, but you can't take WP out of the man (i assume you know who i am)... Cheers, happy weekend --84.90.219.128 (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, regarding this warning you gave to this person, you may want to refer to this message i sent Mattythewhite (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mattythewhite#Serious_stuff), this guy is wiki-dangerous as can be, i have already provided proof enough and Matty can shed some more light should you or any other require it, i am going to focus now on my (paid) work outside WP, have a deadline to meet to be worried with warring with people with ZERO pounds of sportsmanship in their body!

Cheers, take care --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Why did you insult me?!!?!??!?!

I did not insult you, the only two cases where it looked like it were "wiki-dangerous" (meaning you are not complying to the WP guidelines) and "ZERO pounds of sportsmanship in their body", because you take it very personally whenever your team loses a game, hence my opinion of poor sportmanship. I'm done dealing with you, and you have also harassed me AFTER i told some of my wiki-friends i was leaving, really unnecessary. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 00:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I apologize for this spectacle (i apologize for myself, only thing i can do), please feel free to remove it. I only wrote it here because i thought the other person was going to continue the discussion (which i never should have started, considering i knew what the feedback would be) here. You take care there. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 15:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

RealDealBillMcNeal
Now that you've experienced him too, I feel I can ask you this, but what do you think of RealDealBillMcNeal? Is it just me or is he unnecessarily confrontational on an all too frequent basis? (A bit rich coming from me, perhaps, but the question is still valid). – PeeJay 23:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

ISL
In the 2014 Indian Super League season, as per as the uses of flag, I have removed them from Personnel and kits. Can you please tell me whether I should remove them from the marquee and other foreign players list also? RRD13 (talk) 08:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

spam links
As long as you're cleaning them up, here are several others - Special:Contributions/Takotako168. You may be in a better position than me to judge quickly whether they're redundant or not. JohnInDC (talk) 10:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Cassano
Hi, Can you check the source on Antonio Cassano's page that claims he's an atheist? I don't think it's a legit source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.34.28 (talk) 05:21, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Clearly it isn't. Thank you very much for noticing and for caring enough to do something about it. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:09, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much for sorting the problem out. Genuinely appreciate it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.34.28 (talk) 14:16, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Peter Gilbert
Hi. Ive just looked at my wikipedia and noticed that you have left a comment after an attempted edit. Iam Peter Gilbert and I'm now looking to re-write/edit my page. Im sure you realize the only person who knows the truth is me and not media outlets. If something is wrote about me then i want it to be the truth. I would appreciate when i change something you leave it alone. regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gilzine1 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Miguel Marcos Madera
Hi, I reverted per WP:DENY as the edits were made by the sock of a blocked editor. GiantSnowman 11:08, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Vítor Vinha
Hi there STRUWAY, AL here,

I apologize for my edits and/or summary in this player's article, i tried my best, you as well of course. I'll never understand, however, this WP:COMMONAME thingy, if they say (example) Osasuna is the most common name of the club, why on earth is the WP article named CA Osasuna and not Osasuna? Mind-boggling...

Please reply here, i am trying to keep my page as clean as possible, am trying to finally carry out my retirement. Cheers, all the best --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:45, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Consistency. We can't name the articles about FC Barcelona or Liverpool F.C. or AS Monaco by the name of their host city, because it is the name of their host city, so we have to use some form of disambiguator, of which the obvious one is the FC/F.C./AS. Given that, it'd be terminally inconsistent to name the articles about some clubs with the letters or whatever and others without.
 * While you're here, do me a favour. Try the following Google searches:
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=site:record.xl.pt+%22cf+estrela+da+amadora%22
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=site:record.xl.pt+%22estrela+da+amadora%22
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=site:record.xl.pt+%22estrela+amadora%22
 * See how many results you get for each. I got six for the version with the CF in, a few thousand for "estrela amadora" and lots and lots and lots for "estrela da amadora". And that's in a well-known Portuguese sporting paper. If the Portuguese media doesn't even include the CF whatever in normal usage, why on earth do you try and insist that we include them in English? If Marca writes just Osasuna in its prose, why would you expect us to write CA Osasuna in ours? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I see. Thanks, as always --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Cup exits
Hello, May I ask why my cup exits in the infobox tables for clubs knocked out of League Cup is being reverted for. Thanks. Skyblueshaun (talk) 13:13, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello mate, Yeah thanks for explaining to me and rectifying thee edits for me. Much appreciate. Skyblueshaun (talk) 13:24, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Kenedy
Another lost battle, i really don't know why we can't compress the subject's full name in box when it's humungous (as in Kenedy's case) if the complete name appears in intro. Fair enough, i have to respect other people's work, so i give up. But it's "interesting" that my changes are almost immediately detected (makes me feel like my edits are being watchlisted by other users, not pointing fingers, a general overview only), while - also in Kennedy - this anon idiot keeps screwing up player positions, in some cases i think he deliberately makes up the position, Kenedy was NEVER a defensive midfielder, and sometimes months go by before anyone detects anything (see here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.46.250.48 has been warned to and fro http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:173.46.250.48); to finalize this first topic, i apologize for going berserk in the edit summary, precisely due the vandal's actions. Not to you in particular, but to WP in general.

Last but not least: is it me or is a jab being directed at me in the message you sent to User:MYS77 (very last line)? Please be so kind and elaborate. I can help in that conversation by saying that i don't know if FUTBOLME.com is a reliable source, only that it has a comprehensive database on Spanish football(ers, not all of them). Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Please man, i said/meant "several editors" are watching my edits, did not say "only you" are. About stubs, another error in which i should not incur, it stops now, have no reason whatsoever to present as defense. Cheers! I did that to tidyup articles in display (or my very own particular "display"), but i knew very well that by doing that, for example, others would not be able to receive Suggesbot's tips to improve stubs, only doing it by accident. Bad, bad move on my part, sorry.

P.S. Makes me feel sad that you (so probably a lot of other editors too, as i repeat you are a very keen, thorough and wikilaw-abiding editor, am i am not being sarcastic, that is really what i think, i am a free spirit as editing goes, but obviously i'd have to say that the ones that comply with the rules are better for the project) think "...then an awful lot more of them would get corrected". Are my edits really that poor? Please be honest in your opinion, i'd really appreciate it.

Kind regards as always --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

My kind question about your opinion on the (lack of) quality of my edits does not merit a reply apparently, i mean at least i think i posed it politely. Regarding the PC updates, i am trying my "bestest" to only update box when game has ended or in the vicinity (i may incur in the occasional error, not saying i am perfect) so that no readers are mislead, but you still think it's a poor attempt on my part and revert me, fair enough (last time i checked, you can update the box manually as long as the dates are OK). Regarding Kléber Laude Pinheiro, he has TWO and not ONE app for current club. Generally, both ZEROZERO and FORADEJOGO update Portuguese/Portuguese-based players very quickly, but it was not Kléber's case (please have a look at this match report, he played 30 minutes from the bench http://www.foradejogo.net/match.php?match=201515400010508; i know i am not a reliable source, but i saw yesterday's match and i saw him play).

Cheers again (sorry for not signing, but i am not on my habitual computer as i write this message, scrolled up and cannot find any signature options, or any options for that matter), keep it up --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Much appreciated, i agree with pretty much everything you say and that's no lip service. But i never said you "preferred picking holes in my work rather than create new content", i hold you in high esteem both from seeing your work and from the exchanges we've had. About my (perennial) hastiness, yes you are correct i am a bit picky ("bit" being a great understatement), i get "nervous" whenever i send a message to someone and see that they are active and do not reply, not your fault on that of course, solely yours truly's.

Cheers X 3 (sorry again, still on the same computer that does not allow for my signature beats me why!) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Your last message was an eye-opener, even though i have never called anyone a "vandal" for not PC updating like you say in the start (maybe i misinterpreted, but surely looks like that's what your saying - i have insulted vandals and socks to and fro, i am not going to bull you when you know very well i have, but never for that!). You are 100% correct, my English is good but: 1 - i don't write purely in an all-encyclopedia style (i don't think i do POV, but i tend to be a bit poetic at times), more in a journalistic-type approach like someone pointed out five years ago or so; 2 - i have a hard time complying to several of the rules (at WP and in general in my life). Thus, it's high time i quit, i just improved an article on a Portuguese football player/manager because someone asked me to and... curtain call! It's crystal clear that me and WP don't mix even though i belong to the "good bunch", much like a gifted footballer has to leave a club because he does not fit with its playing style.

I have notified User:MYS77 about our conversation, maybe he'll bring me down from the wikipedestal where he had me :) You take care there, thank you for your sincerity and support when i needed, always a pleasure to help.

All the best, from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:44, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Notification to the aforementioned user has been done in Portuguese, should you require a translation i'll be more than happy to oblige. Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:55, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Ayoze Pérez
Please see the external links, #2 (futbolme.com). It says six goals in 2011-12 and 6 more in 2012-13 (although one of them was with the first-team, so minus one, five). Also, the "underliable" blog says that he scored five goals for Tenerife B in 2012-13 too. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 15:46, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * It's because Futbolme is mainly used, indeed, as a link, not as a reference. And I think it wasn't that necessary to add the Opinión source in the box. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 16:38, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it was (and is) explained in the very first line of the 'club career' storyline, with a reference. I can't guarantee 100% the reliability of the stats (as I only have three sources, and one of them has been labelled "totally unreliable"), but I'm pretty sure this is enough. But saying the content was "challenged", when an IP user was the one who removed it, I don't agree that much. I think this was a case of vandalism, like what happens everyday with many, many other pages. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 18:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Saw it, thank you. And also, I have the stats of the 2012-13 season, but is in that blog which mr. LRD NO insisted in calling "unreliable" (despite it being 100% correct when I compared it with the Catalan Football Federation or Madrid Football Federation, both 100% reliable links, as they have match reports (called Actas in Spanish) and a goalscorers table (with matches). But I'll wait for your "green light" (or "red light" anyway). Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 04:01, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia, not LRD himself, generally considers self-published content such as blogs to be unreliable. If you have two other reliable sources, why not use them instead of listing a blog with no references to RS? LRD 04:08, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear. What I meant to say is that I had a chat with this blog's owner, and he assured me that his infos are 100% reliable (as he made a simple counting in the match reports). Also, I went to the Tenerife Football Federation, and found nothing related to the goalscorers table. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 13:12, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that makes sense. However, is the only concrete stats we can find about this season. I'll search more about the Tenerife B stats (they have the match reports in their official website), and add it later. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 14:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Ayoze matches for Tenerife B in the 2011-12 season: . He totalled 18 matches and six goals (futbolme is correct in the goals parameter). I'm currently looking at the 2012-13 season (and these match reports are 100% reliable, all from the official website, found them through this search, pages 19 to 16, if you want to check). Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 15:04, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * His matches for the 2012-13 season: ; 17 matches, five goals. Again, the same search, but only in the previous pages (until the 9th). Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 15:30, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm adding this in infobox (and career stats), and I'll point this conversation in the edit summary. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 16:48, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I have included part of the discussion at the player's talk page so that they may be verifiable by any editors contending the stats. Thank you. LRD 00:53, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Just seen the message you've left at MYS's talk page. I'll leave you to amend Ayoze's talk page section as you deem fit. Cheers. LRD 00:56, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'm always trying to help. LRD already moved the conversation, so we don't have anything more to worry about (at least not in this player). Cheerio, MYS  77  ✉ 02:37, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Hugo Meira
Well we put AFD's for people like that as opposed to a prod. Which also feel free to leave a comment on Articles for deletion/Hugo Meira  Wgolf (talk) 18:06, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Mesling
I've raised the matter at Sockpuppet investigations/MarkMysoe for an answer either way. GiantSnowman 07:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Confirmed as a sockpuppet - good spot! I'll go back and clean up their most recent edits per DENY. GiantSnowman 06:41, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Re: Notability criteria for footballers
Oh okay thanks for the info-I think I probably should stop doing it on soccer (AKA footballers) given that I'm not quite familiar with that sport (I'm in the US so yeah football to me is something completely different and soccer is just something that I know about very little other then doing it when I was a kid) Feel kind of bad now, but thank you though! Have a nice day! Wgolf (talk) 15:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

A footballer whose link is invalid and I'm trying to find now some info on
Richard Sosa, I tried the source also and couldn't find him so then I looked up https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Richard+Sosa+soccer but since I'm not sure where to start I figured you might be able to put some refs in. Thanks! Wgolf (talk) 18:02, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Invitation
Dear Struway,

Your expertise and participation is requested at this discussion. Thank you. LRD 17:18, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit summaries
I apologize, not to you in particular but to WP in general, only thing i can do. I also have to understand that most anon users don't even know how to work properly with this, and obviously this results for instance in them not being able to abide by guidelines and know how to read messages. Not their fault, i'm sure that the vast majority only wants to help.

Well, that's a bipolar loner for you, not asking for forgiveness or understanding, only laying the cards on the table... Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * And please, the next time i write to you saying "Oooh i'm so sad and blue, am going to retire", reply "Bite me, i'll believe it when i see it" :) But to make things very clear, i was never toying with you or others in the other situations i said i was retiring, i REALLY was intent on leaving for good each time i said it, one day i'll pull it off! This is not fun anymore, and summaries like that are definitely not necessary unless you are trying out for a play on Brian Blessed! Again, i'm sorry.

Cheers again --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Ignacio Camacho: i provided an explanation in the summary, that it was not to your liking is a different matter. Now, i have improved the ref's display. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 14:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Again i have to admit, i agree with your reasoning and appreciate the sincerity. But please (and mind you, this is not a taunting question, it's really "filled with technicalities" and desire to learn), isn't an external link a form of reference, albeit in a different zone? What is your intake on that?

Oh, and the other part of my summary was due to the fact the user, whilst adding his source to the box, removed the reliable Soccerway.com one when he could have kept both. That summary was also a bit inaccurate, i've outgrown reporting people. Cheers back.

P.S. If you check Miguel Massana's article again (the one that is connected to your previous message about edit summaries) you'll see why i fumed (not justifying anything), the AEK Larnaca F.C. fan continues to update stats in the box without one single PC alteration - they've been at it for almost TWO YEARS now - i followed the squad because of its many Spanish players for a while, but it's 'bout time i stop, it's useless. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 14:58, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * This just in! Seeing that you are having quite a handful reverting me in the players' full names, i have a hard time grasping the following: if we compress the club names in the box, what is wrong in compressing the person's name? "Dos", "De" and "Da" don't even mean anything in the English language as far as naming customs go, and the full name appears in the introduction.

Don't worry i won't incur in that again, i was just wondering if the rule (for lack of a better word) could be changed or adapted. Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I meant "reverting me" not as a bad thing per se, a technicality only. Regarding the new infobox layout, good to know, i was beginning to think that something was wrong with my bot ;) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

PC updates
On the subject, wanna have a go at this ACF Fiorentina fan? Like the AEK Larnaca F.C. guy i discussed above, the person has never written an update in TWO or THREE YEARS. However, it's a lost battle, in Khouma Babacar, before i stepped in i found three different anon IPs (at least this one has been warned, the others i still have not investigated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:94.34.163.48), the person is untrackable pretty much; those two, alongside the many anon forms of User:Antony1821 (not only did he promise to sock until the end of time if his original account was blocked but he also does not PC update), are quite the handful!

Done talking to walls like these two (whether they do it on purpose or they simply don't know how to read a message, the feedback is the same, that of talking to a concrete object), i'm getting way overengaged again, in the long run both me and the site suffer so it's not good (no man, not saying i'll retire for the umpteenth time, just saying i need to edit already and chill out). Cheerio --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:31, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Curtis Fleming
Hi Struway, Thanks for sorting out the confusion surrounding Belvedere on Fleming's page. Makes more sense to explain it in the body of the article. I did look for another Belvedere club but the only one I found was in (I think) Lancashire & I was pretty sure that wasn't it! Regards. Eagleash (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Requested move tags
I started a RM at this page. From what I understand, I need to include the relevant tags so that the discussion could be copied over at the relevant projects such as WP:FOOTBALL and WP:SG. How do you add the tags, and does adding the tags allow a bot to do the listing at the relevant project pages? I'm new to this so I need some help. cheers. LRD 07:27, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Does that mean the AlertBot will notify the wikiprojects listed on the article talk page, so I don't have to do anything? Unfortunately, there's no clear instructions anywhere. cheers. LRD 08:35, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Timestamps
Okay, I'll add it a day after, because some people (mostly anons) update the stats and forget to update box, and/or update the date but forget to update the stats (very annoying and hard to understand, BTW).

Ah, and as you're always helpful, can you please read this? I can't reach this user, no matter how many attempts I make.

Thank you very much, MYS  77  ✉ 15:12, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the very quick and complete response. Well, I thought it was the correct one due to both Real Madrid (official) and BDFutbol links, which denote him as only Jacob. However, I'll stop editing in this page, as it looks like it'll be deleted; and I'm sorry about the edit war, but at least I explained what I was doing in the edit summaries and tried to do some "teamwork" with Cathy, instead of she refusing to do it. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 16:29, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Mexer - Others
I apologize for having forgotten to pipe the club names again after my edit, but the "foot stays down", and in no way is this a personal beef.

1 - you left the article incoherent in display, with some clubs piped and others unpiped; 2 - tags: I repeat, I have seen hundreds of articles that have no "citation needed" or akin tags for months. Suddenly, after I make some improvements there, they suddenly receive the tag, I am desperate to see the connection between the two actions; 3 - again, you accuse me of calling "vandals" to fellow users just because they don't PC update the box, when I have never done such a thing, please STOP (I have called vandals and worse to others, but not for that, for vandalism maybe?)!

4 - last but not least, when do you think it's possible to crack down on the user(s) that "update" the ACF Fiorentina and AEK Larnaca F.C. players? Not asking you directly to do it, of course, just saying what it's like, and what is it like? If not for me, those boxes would not have been updated in years, simple as that; as you say towards the end of your message, it's very tedious.

Again, sorry for any inconvenience, cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Hallelujah! Just went on my round of said FIO/AEK players (at least the ones I edit in), and at least the FIO guy has started PC updating. One problem less, cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I have to side with you in the summaries, I gotta stop getting so wound up about this, WP does not belong to me and it does not put food on my table. Regarding the opening line of Mexer, and what's the problem with not including that there? Not all footballers are internationals, thus: 1 - it will be more coherent if we leave all players the same ("...is a Y footballer that plays for X club as a Z"); 2 - that he is a current international will be shown by the fact the box is not closed in that department ("2007-").

However, if you choose to revert again, i'll have to respect that and leave it be. Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:51, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Adebola
Hi, just to let you know the stats you added at Dele Adebola don't match those at List of Birmingham City F.C. players. And thanks of course for fetching refs for the Bangor and Northwich stats. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:01, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Recreations of deleted pages
On it, cheers! GiantSnowman 20:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

8-0 scorelines,
I was thinking of adding them myself, but wasn't sure if it would have needed to split the section into record home and away defeats, and then look at doing the same for record wins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neil J Murray (talk • contribs) 20:36, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

gary rowetts profile
why did u take all about Birmingham city off? He is a manager of Birmingham city as sky sports said.

Wenno123 (talk) 16:31, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

RE: Rowett
Ok thanks for letting me know.

Wenno123 (talk) 18:08, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Coaching Staff
I did wonder how far "down" it should go. I think roles like Darren Robinson's have become more senior of the last few years, but I see where you are coming from. I was half thinking about creating a page for Beale, but I'm not sure it is worth it. I think Gary is going to bring a breath of fresh air to the club that is in need of it, with his professionalism and tough standards.

Cheers

Neil J Murray (talk) 23:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Association football outfield players who have played as goalkeeper category
Deletion nomination opened here... JMHamo (talk) 20:13, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Re: Bonass
Hi, firstly well done on the work you've done on the article. I've not used my BNA account yet but it's obviously an excellent resource for historic players. I've added a few bits from my copy of Citizens and Minstermen, but there's nothing re: personal life or the Lincoln injury. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Jean-François Hernandez
Hello there,

undoubtedly, these surnames (Hernández, Fernández) are of Hispanic background, and are written without the accent in the French language. However, that does not change the fact that Luis Fernández is SPANISH and his last name has an accent, so I wager Hernández would have the same "grammatical reasoning". I offered said reasoning to the two users last connected to the article, one of them moved the page, you chose to reinstate the previous version, okeydokey, it stays that way.

WP is all about verifiability and sources, correct? I did not offer any source to this claim above, do you have any sources it is "Hernandez"? Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:49, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe what it boils down to is that both versions are correct (with the accent, without), if you notice JF Hernández's BDFUTBOL.com entry, it has the accent. I stress again, Luis Fernández has an accent in Spanish, in French it does not. Then again, since Fernández is Spanish (he could have played all he wanted for France, he's Spanish but naturalized French) but Hernández is 100% French, I see your train of thought for removing the accent in the latter guy; I am in no way criticizing your work, I am merely doing what people are supposed to do over here, discuss contents and ways of improving them.

Happy week, cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:59, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


 * And just so you know, finally putting my money where my mouth is (I often preach about teamwork, but seldom set it to deed), have been helping out in undoing my bits where I unduly wrote "silver category" in players' storyline, I know that that can be misleading even people that are accustomed to football, let alone the average reader.

Cheers, keep it up --84.90.219.128 (talk) 14:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: Finch
No problem. I looked in one of my PFA Who's Who books and they list his middle name as John; but I went with the ref I eventually used as it matches what findmypast list. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

James Hamon
Thanks for clarifying that, makes a lot more sense now. I've fixed his apps in box now, and I think his article is pretty accurate right now. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 16:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Premier League inaccuracies
I noticed that you argued that Premier League information on the heights of football players was frequently inaccurate. Could you document such inaccuracies? Best wishes, and have a happy Christmas. Michael Glass (talk) 19:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Víctor Torres Mestre
Hi there,

I admit that my summaries may look like I am on a power trip (WP:OWN), and some of my actual edits sure look like it, but I know I don't own any articles here. However, if my summary was hard, and for that I apologize, so was yours ("...something resembling English").

However, in this one particular piece, the piping or not piping aside: you removed links of competition, leaving Segunda División hiding a season of that competition, the same with UEFA Cup. Bordeaux was a series of removals altogether, beats me why. And isn't it logical that, if Espanyol climbed from the second tier, where they finished sixth next was in La Liga? And why do we have to say La Liga (or any other league) until the cows come home in texts? For starter, it's not even an English word; and "funny" how some people (of English tongue) here have stressed that the full name of the (this) team is Real Betis and you have to write it like that even in box, but then we can't even unpipe in storyline, where's the coherence in that?

With trolls such as this one I even relish the prospect of leaving some articles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107), so I have never edited S.L. Benfica-related stuff to avoid being taunted by these "people". However, when it's clearly not the case (just two good editors "going at it"), it really saddens me. But don't worry, i'll never edit Mr. Mestre's article again if that is the best.

Cheers, all the best --84.90.219.128 (talk) 04:06, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

WOW, you must really be cross, even though I APOLOGIZED for the summary...No problem, I have created a WP:FOOTY discussion, please provide an input there, yours is always appreciated (and no, I'm not being sarcastic). Cheers, happy weekend. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:52, 19 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Like I said, I always appreciate your inputs, concise and to the point. I would have also, howeved, very much liked a third party's opinion, since we two know by now how the other operates in terms of editing, I was looking for a "tie-breaker". People at WP:FOOTY chose to stay silent (other than you, mind you), a pattern in several of my discussions (don't want to be a crybaby about it, but surely gives that impression, maybe it's something wrong in the way I present the reports, could be).

Cheers, and thanks again, happy holidays from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Without having read your message (only saw that you were the one sending it) and seeing the changes, I realize I have again been reverted. I could have been a picky guy and choose a path that would end in something similar to an edit war, but it would cause problems for us both and we have better things to do I imagine. Also, please note that I am not being a coward (saying "I'll leave Mestre's article alone a few days, Struway forgets and then i'll edit it again", I HONESTLY thought my additions of today were harmless, I see they are not and that I am not allowed to do anything there).

Maybe I could have (me and you, not just me, me more because I am think I am more proficient in Spanish) found refs to improve the article so that we are able to remove the tag. I can do that, but now I stay true to my promise, I won't touch storyline with a ten-feet pole (I mean, I actually did not touch it, still was reverted). I repeat my happy holidays wishes, from Portugal --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:51, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

My SINCERE apologies, you did not revert me as I stupidly assumed, that's what happens when I write messages BEFORE reading other people's and concede to my intuition. I sure made an ass of myself, I apologize. Still referring to Mestre's article, and to make it up to both you and WP, I will find references to put in his article.

Apologies again --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Now I have read your message thoroughly, and will "defend" myself, also adding I don't think it's fair to accuse me of having "no respect" (verbatim) for something I never even heard about (EASTEREGG). I repeat what I said at WP:FOOTY dear fellow user, your version showed no seasonal wikilink, mine ditto and it had one wikilink more; I concur with the last part of your message, indeed the average reader will not see the relation between the 1995-96 UEFA Cup article and the word "qualification", but those who know their soccer will. If you want to re-compose it again go right ahead, I'm getting a bit weary as it stands, but still promise to add refs.

Still about storyline (only noticed it now): you don't think it's possible to say he played at "fellow league club Logroñés" after it's been noted and linked in the previous line Real Madrid belongs to La Liga, you have to say La Liga again? Could you please answer that one? Thanks, cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the level-headedness in your reply, maybe my outburst WITHOUT reading your original input deserved less. I admit I did not pay much (extra) attention to the discussion, after seeing the "massive" turnout other than you or me. And I repeat, I may be a veteran editor, but I'm as dumb as they get regarding WP technicalities, only one I know by heart is WP:BOLD :)

Really, "top-divisioner" does not exist? I honestly thought so, like a "playER" plays for a club I thought a "top-divisionER" was a club that belonged to the top division. Oh well, always learning. Thanks again for everything (and I will notify MYS77 of that word not being a word at all) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:14, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * References added. Found out that FORADEJOGO.net is dead wrong on his Mahonés spell, as ref #7 states very clearly he arrived in 2004. Glad I could help --84.90.219.128 (talk) 03:23, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Albert Bonass
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 * Hi Struway2, I have reviewed the article and left comments there. I have not put it on hold as I believe it is close to passing. I have watchlisted it, so I will automatically be notified when you are ready for me to have another look. Thanks, C679 23:13, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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Ken Gutteridge
Hi, hope you had a nice Christmas/New Year - this chap was signed with Birmingham for a while apparently, are you able to try and get some more info please? Draft article here. GiantSnowman 12:25, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

George Gibson
Spot on, cheers. GiantSnowman 14:21, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Transfermarkt
Hi Struway,

Just a question. Why is Transfermarkt considered unreliable? Is it just that it is less official than Premier League, for instance? Michael Glass (talk) 19:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your swift reply. I now see the reasoning behind the ban. Michael Glass (talk) 20:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Kuzmanovski
I guess not. Probably should be considered a youth product of the AIS or perhaps the unknown club he played for at grassroots level.Simione001 (talk) 13:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Player positions
Thanks for the headsup, thanks for correcting me (again) in Mr. Esteves' article.

Happy 2015, cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

junior and senior
It is normal in GB to use senior and junior in full or perhaps as sen. and jun. as abbreviations. The Sr. and Jr. variations are American style and should not apply to British nationals. Would you please revert your changes as I cannot. Jack | talk page 14:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Adminship
Having just seen your comments at WT:FOOTY about looking at deleted versions of the Clifford Aboagye, I was surprised to find out you're not an admin. Is it something you'd consider if nominated for? Number  5  7  10:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't say I've ever seen you over-react. If anything, you're probably the most serene long-term editor involved in WP:FOOTY (certainly more so than some who have admin rights)! But if you ever change your mind, let me know, and I'd be happy to nominate you. Number   5  7  10:51, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Ariel Ibagaza - Reply
The expletive (mind you, EXPLETIVE, not an insult) being unnecessary, I did not even see it was you who changed it OK, and I am following the WP patterns for player position wikilinks (i.e. Goalkeeper (association football) instead of Goalkeeper, Midfielder instead of attacking midfielder, etc). Hopefully you'll believe me.

Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Is attacking midfielder not a redirect? That was my assumption, if I am mistaken please accept my apologies on any wrongdoing. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Redirect vs. wikilink? --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:23, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Technicalities, not my best I've told you. Bottom line (so I can "find" you again), is Midfielder wrong? No. There. Happy work, my sincere wishes. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:28, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Because I thought redirects were not adviseable, just that. I know that I am not a native language-wise, but am trying to explain it (my reasoning) to the best of my abilities. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:08, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Technical question, to finalize the discussion: is there no preference whatsoever of one form over the other, being already a given that both are right? Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:00, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

And a personal one (quite a propos, as someone out of the blue accused me of that today, still have received no reply after asking them): am I again on your watchlist? If I am, and a solid reasoning cannot be offered as to why I am, I leave, don't want to be a nuisance to anyone - and, at my age (overall and here), if I haven't grasped certain editing concepts I never will - and don't want my edits to be perceived as anything REMOTELY CLOSE to vandalism. That said, I am most sure that, if engaging in such action, you are doing it with the best intentions, at least for the project. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:57, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the thorough reply, thanks for putting up with me all these years :) Regarding your doubt about Mr. Rodríguez (RCD Espanyol) shown in the message below, yes he has rescinded his contract (per the MD source), due to expire on 30 June and seeing he did not count for the manager.

Cheers, happy weekend --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

As far as I thought, I thought "rescinds/ed his contract" could mean an unilateral move (the player forced it, or the club sacked player due to violation of internal regulations), but in the second paragraph we can read "El club catalán y Raúl Rodríguez han llegado a un acuerdo para rescindir el contrato", translated "The Catalan club and RR have reached an agreement to rescind the contract", so it was mutual consent in this case.

Cheerio --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:32, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

User:Antony1821
I guess you don't know who this is (please see here, at least you have warned him two times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:78.87.237.67), but I do. This guy is an absolute waste of oxygen (no, not exaggerating, keep in mind this idiot told he would sock until the cows came home if his original account was blocked).

He continues, doing what you point out (removing loan spells in box) but also inserting b-clubs (reserves that is, FC Barcelona B for example) as youth instead of senior. Range block anyone? Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:21, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry to bother, was only seeking some team effort to get this "user" out of WP. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:22, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Jack Butland
Hello Struway,

If you check the link here [] the link goes to Darren Randolph. Yes, the link was described as being to Jack Butland, but this was in error. I replaced that link with a link to Premier League and you in turn replaced that with a link to Jack Butland at Stoke. At least your edit now goes to the correct player (as mind did) but the mistake in editing wasn't mine. We just chose different ways to correct the error. Cheers. Michael Glass (talk) 11:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Bits and pieces
1 - Cristian Portilla: my actions were per this reasoning, I thought only publisher (or work, or newspaper, or whatever) sufficed for the author of the source, I thought we did not had to have two, matter of fact the vast majority of sources on footballers only have one field per that; I also removed loans because I thought what was already covered by the infobox and it did not need repeating.

I am not going to use the word "stalking" because it would be unfair to you and a downright lie, but I feel my edits are still under great scrutiny. Well my wiki-friend, I am not going to get any better as far as technicalities go, not doing what I do to spite anybody; I also repeat, I know that whatever you do is ALWAYS for the good of the project and that you don't have anything against me. What is exactly the thing that you feel where I should improve the most from my current wiki-status quo (the obnoxious summaries notwithstanding)?

2 - What about Pablo Ibáñez's England career? I read in his article that his contract expired and he was released, but I never saw him in action in any games in your country. I thought he was perfect for the English football that's played in the divisions 2-4, quite physical and with good aerial ability, but little mobility.

Was he released due his age or wages, or both? Cheers, keep it up --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I did ask, indeed. No worries! --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:34, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Lee Clark (footballer)
Hi Struway,

I've had a look at a few articles from 2003 to 2005, when Clark was captain of Fulham. From October 2003: ('A third-minute goal from captain Lee Clark') ('In the sixth minute, Steed Malbranque held off a flimsy challenge from Aaron Hughes before setting up Clark on his right. The Fulham captain passed Gary Speed and responded with a decisive left-foot shot into the bottom right-hand corner') ('Ignored last season by Jean Tigana, the 30-year-old has become a vital figure under Chris Coleman, captaining the team to a fine Premiership start.') From Febuary 2004: ('Aston Villa paid the penalty for two missed spot-kicks from Juan Pablo Angel as Fulham captain Lee Clark salvaged a point with an injury-time strike.') From March 2004: ('Fulham skipper Lee Clark aims to lead the Cottagers to their highest finish in the Premiership.') From February 2005: ('But Fulham captain Clark said...') From May 2005: ('Fulham captain Lee Clark has put Collins John's recent good form down to an improved work ethic displayed by the young forward.') ('Fulham captain Lee Clark has been told he can leave the club when his contract expires on 30 June.')

Hope this helps!

AmorPatiturMoras (talk) 20:07, 15 January 2015 (UTC)AmorPatiturMoras


 * It's alright, I think there's definitely something lost in translation from both parties on this one. I get what you're saying though, Clark being the captain is in the prose, but only for the 2004-05 season, and although he was the season before, it's not stated in the article. Again same thing applies for Hayden Mullins, who I've noticed that you reverted my edit for. He was Crystal Palace captain for the 2002-03 season, which is stated, and is the current Notts County captain, which is not.


 * Also not sure if this was a typo, but it's the other around: Andy Melville was captain before Clark, and then Boa Morte took over in 2005. Not that it matters now anyway!


 * I do think that it's interesting to see who preceded or succeeded a player in the role of captain, but I suppose, in this case, there's very little point to leave it in.

AmorPatiturMoras (talk) 16:24, 16 January 2015 (UTC)AmorPatiturMoras

Cristian Hidalgo
I see that it is still afoot... Very well, I have accommodated.

Have a nice week --84.90.219.128 (talk) 00:34, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * OK sorry for the summary, but the title has nonetheless been accommodated. I have told Mr. Deb again and again to use the correct title of the source (in this case "João Pereira", not "Soccerway profile"!), he says "talk to the hand"! Ah, and indeed, "it" is afoot...

Sorry for any inconvenience --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Reinstated Mr. Pereira's valuables, even though I have seen thousands of articles with just one overall reference (or two, etc) for his stats, not seasonal. Why is it SO wrong in the former way?

What does "it" mean? Your interest in my edits, I am not feeling comfortable at all with this, but I stress (again), I know you are doing it for the best of the project. OK, teamwork now: should the Danish second tier not be notable, then Jonatan Neftalí must be AfD'd no?

Keep up the good work --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * 1 - I have NEVER accused you of going against the editing guidelines, nor will I ever. I know that I, on the other hand, often do; 2 - I have never used the word "stalking", ("scrutiny", "assistance to edits" or akin, but never stalking, please don't put words in my mouth) if I have implied it now or before, please accept my apologies; 3 - "I'm not wasting my time explaining yet again what sources are for"... even though I am in doubt? Fair enough, I won't ask again, ever; 4 - WP:NOTABILITY, I am fully aware of it, and browsing the list you sent me, I can see that Mr. Neftalí does not merit an article, i'll AfD it.

Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:15, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * And can you please explain to me (mind you, I am being polite and I have already apologized for any false accusations I might have spewed, even though I repeat I never used the word "stalking") what did I do so wrong in Mehdi Nafti to be reverted in EVERYTHING (i.e. BBC SPORT is often displayed as "work" not "publisher"; I translated reference #15 properly)? --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

The correct translation (at least in my book, I don't like to eat up words in translations, and I don't think I am in error doing so) would be "Sergio Aragoneses, new Cádiz CF goalkeeper", so I added the missing "CF", you removed it again. No worries, a big cross in Nafti's article for me from now on. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Of course, I did use the word "stalking" in the academic sense of it, what I meant is I never said/implied "Struway is a stalker" or "Struway is stalking me", I told you over and over again I have tremendous respect for you as an editor and a wikiperson. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

But since I think you prefer refs displayed automatically (with all the fields, url, title, date, etc, etc) than manually, I was only trying to help in Mr. Albentosa's article man. REFS#1 through #8 still need arranging, yes siree. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

I keep using WP as a therapy couch for whatever ails me in my personal life, and have often been told that is not the way to go. If I don't heed (and leave, I'm clearly not having fun anymore), things are bound to clash now and then, but don't worry man, I can take the criticism ;) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 23:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Barry Ferguson
Yep, didn't see it, thanks for correcting me / the article! GiantSnowman 17:04, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Lluís Coll - Bits and pieces
Was not hoping for much, but tried to improve article to the best of my abilities (and please note this was my first time ever editing there, I had no idea who created the piece until I landed there TODAY)...

Now, for the technicalities, which mainly are three: 1 - I thought the intro was supposed to contain a summary of the person's career and highlights, how are TWO caps (one for a team that does not even have a WP article) notable? 2 - player position, you often complain about me writing "wingback" in the infobox and another thing in the introduction, now do exactly the same, can I please see the difference? 3 - categories, my order M.O. is: personal cats; X country footballers; player position(s); leagues; clubs; foreign leagues/clubs if any; international stuff (if any); manager stuff (if any), what is the order you have chosen for Mr. Coll's article? 4 (not very important, but i'll bring it forth anyway) - don't the English people ever write a match result in full, "two to one" instead of "2-1"? That was exactly what I was trying to convey in reference #14.

Cheers (and again, my promise, I won't edit the article again, at least you let my translations of refs #8 and #19 stay, as well as the honours - please note that some Copa del Rey tournaments ended the same year they started back in the day and until the 60s - so all was not lost), continue the good work --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:55, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

P.S. And since the main categories are ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL GOALKEEPERS/DEFENDERS/MIDFIELDERS/WINGERS/FORWARDS and an old OUTSIDE FORWARD is a winger today, I think the category should be accommodated in Mr. Coll's article to "winger", but don't worry it's just a suggestion, I won't touch it. Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:58, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input. About the category outline, that takes me to the templates' order. I have seen some users say (and I am included in those) that they prefer club stuff first, national team second and awards last, so I guess (if you make the connection with categories) there is another area where consensus fails to "shine". Cheerio --84.90.219.128 (talk) 19:22, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Position parameter
I was told differently by someone else. He kept removing the league name. But anyways thanks for clearing that up and sorry to cause any trouble. SovanDara  08:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

AWB refist
It's not an automatic 'fix', it's one I've added myself - thanks for the heads up, I'll amend to use 30em going forward. GiantSnowman 14:53, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Tesche
Yeah, either works for me, just makes sense to have a standard seeing as they're both leaving Birmingham on the same date.

And the answer is "sort of". He's distinctly average, so could go either way for you! He's got a good right foot on him, mind. User:UncleTupelo1User talk:UncleTupelo1 16:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Very impressive work
I just stumbled across 1892–93 Small Heath F.C. season and similar articles that you wrote, seemingly single-handedly. I just wanted to say how impressed I was, really. A lot of work has clearly gone into them! Cordless Larry (talk) 21:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's appreciated. I keep thinking about continuing into the 20th century, now that more contemporary newspapers are available online, but I'm not sure I have enough enthusiasm to keep them interesting. They do take a lot of work. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:36, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I would love to read them, for one! Cordless Larry (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Lluís Coll
Don't get it. Why the hate if the info is 100% correct? And if you take a look at the template, the source is already there too. Cheers, MYS  77  ✉ 16:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * OK. I didn't add the source because it don't fit in the article at all. Unfortunately, it was the only source I've found. Cheers, happy weekend. MYS  77  ✉ 18:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Leo Miranda
...has played in a FPL per Soccerway, or am I mis-reading it? (probably...) GiantSnowman 17:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice one, thanks for confirming. GiantSnowman 18:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Denny Johnstone
Hello Struway.. I saw you reverted my Denny Johnstone edit, which is fine. Today, Danny Haynes made his Cheltenham debut wearing No. 9, the same squad number as Johnstone wore. Then I checked footballsquads.co.uk and they have Johnstone as having left the club, but I could not find anything else to say that his loan spell was cut short. All a little strange. JMHamo (talk) 17:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Aritz Aduriz - Bits and pieces
Hi there,

turns out neither of us were correct in this player's infobox years. For example, his Valladolid spell ended in DECEMBER 2005, thus he returned to Bilbao in JANUARY 2006. Of course (again), you have every right to question my (excruciatingly) heated summary. Like you, my wikifriend, I have long ago reached the end of my AGF supply, but I am in no way seeking cheap excuses for my poor behaviour.

Cheers, sorry for any inconvenience --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the technicality :) Box's years corrected, and ref retrieved to article even though we already had a reliable one for his Athletic return. Cheers, happy week --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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YCFC FLC
Hi, I hope you're well. When you have a moment would you mind reviewing this York City list at FLC? Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 21:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Link
Hi, first of all thanks for pointing that out in Borja. Can you please tell me, that cant we use match reports of Soccerway, Foradejogo etc as references? Can we claim that a player has played for a certain club from 2006-2009 by citing his soccerway profile? RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 01:18, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Javad Nekounam
Hi there, I am in need of a bit of assistance from a trusted longtime user if you can,

regarding this message (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ged_UK#Javad_Nekounam), and knowing that the page has now been protected so that NO ONE can edit it until the 16th, and seeing my additions to defend my approach (used the article's talkpage, added a reference where the player says he has changed his mind about international retirement, #35), who would you say is in the right? Me? The endless anon contributors? User:GTVM92?

Speaking of the latter, somebody should have a word with him about this article (my second message, albeit still pretty mild, shows sign of escalation and I don't need that, and neither does WP, his reaction to the first (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GTVM92&diff=654521748&oldid=654521706) was something else (no reply, changed everything else, made said ref #35 make absolutely no sense with what he wrote)), maybe someone else will have more luck in receiving a reply.

Of course, if you say "Nope mate, the other guy(s) are correct, you are not", I will leave article in peace (but would very much like to hear how they defend the player's retirement with 151 caps (and it's 148 for FIFA, read the note below that User:Koppapa kindly inserted after I asked him to because I could not get the display right, yes they removed that too the anon "users", so that they could justify the 151!) when the ref #35 reads "Nekounam changes mind over Iran retirement".

Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Newsflash: found this from PERSIANFOOTBALL.com, seems he has retired alright (please see here http://www.persianfootball.com/news/2015/04/01/javad-nekounam-bids-farewell-to-international-career/). One of the Iranian users could have just sent me that info instead of leaving me talking to myself, but OK... Ah, and after this is settled, we'll still have to battle over the box (148, they'll change it to 151). --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:41, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Honours
I am, but no longer for fewer than 3 honours, too much effort. Similarly if an edit comes up on my watchlist which is the addition of unref honours I will revert rather than tag. GiantSnowman 19:02, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Good work
Good work clearing up some of those unreferenced football articles. - SimonP (talk) 19:39, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

IP-only vandal
Hi, I've blocked both IPs - regarding our friend in New Jersey, I've started a log of IPs here so we can track it and consider a range block in future, please feel free to add to it whenever you see them re-appear and also let me know so I can block. GiantSnowman 09:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)