User talk:Sttlaw

ZYP Coatings (company) moved to draftspace
Thanks for your contributions to ZYP Coatings. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it is promotional and reads like an advertisement. Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. SilverLocust 💬 04:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I will try to revise the writing. This is citing sources and is intended to be an informational article about the company. 96.60.55.58 (talk) 11:21, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: ZYP Coatings (August 3)
 Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.


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Theroadislong (talk) 08:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi Theroadislong: I am trying to edit some articles and add this company page.  But, I seem to keep getting rejections.  I thought I was doing it right because I am citing patents, academic articles, etc.  I am truly not sure why I cannot publish a new page.  These seem to be very good sources without bias. Sttlaw (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has articles not pages, you have not addressed the appearance of being a paid editor and please note that patents confer zero notability. Theroadislong (talk) 14:43, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not directly or indirectly compensated for making edits to Wikipedia. Sttlaw (talk) 19:14, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Paid editing
As previously advised, your edits give the impression you have a financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. You were asked to cease editing until you responded by either stating that you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits, or by complying with the mandatory requirements under the Wikimedia Terms of Use that you disclose your employer, client and affiliation. Again, you can post such a disclosure on your user page at User:Sttlaw, and the template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:. Please respond before making any other edits to Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 14:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

August 2023
 You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for advertising or self-promoting in violation of the conflict of interest and notability guidelines. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page:. MER-C 18:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Editing on Wikipedia is different from writing reviews on Yelp or Amazon: we have different rules on what kind of language is acceptable and what information we are looking for. Furthermore, while editors are willing to help new users (especially at the WP:TEAHOUSE) there is an expectation that editors will fulfil a level of competency so that other editors will not have to spend extra time fixing their edits (WP:CIR). With this in mind, please answer the following questions:


 * What is promotional language and why is it not allowed on Wikipedia? (WP:PROMO)
 * Do you have a conflict of interest with ZYP Coatings? This can include a personal connection to the company, being an employee of the company, or being paid to create a Wikipedia article for them (WP:COI and WP:COIE have more information about this).

I look forward to your response. Z1720 (talk) 23:00, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * My point about Yelp and Amazon is that I have written content to help others. All platforms have rules.  I get that.
 * I have read Wikipedia’s rules on promotional language that you shared. My mistake was not being objective enough.  For instance,  “Information about companies and products must be written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery.”
 * Based on the conflict of interest policy, I may have a conflict because I am related to people who work at ZYP Coatings and know a lot about the company because of this. I can disclose this in my profile per Wikipedia’s rules to resolve the issue.
 * I hope this helps clear things up. I certainly respect that you are trying to keep order and avoid wasting time. Thanks. Sttlaw (talk) 23:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I took another look through your edits and have some questions below:


 * 1) What is the difference between primary and secondary sources, and why does Wikipedia prefer secondary sources? (WP:PRIMARY)
 * 2) Why should places that most readers will recognise not be wikilinked? (MOS:OVERLINK)
 * 3) If I unblocked you, I would place a topic ban on your ability to create or edit any articles related to ZYP Coatings. Do you agree to this stipulation?
 * I look forward to your responses. Z1720 (talk) 14:16, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Secondary sources are one step removed from the event. In other words, they cite a primary source.
 * Overlinks are not necessary for the reader's understanding. Therefore, it is better to avoid linking things that most readers understand.
 * For ZYP Coatings: I would prefer that I simply make whatever disclosure is required by Wikipedia and I follow the guidelines strictly.  If that means putting something in my bio, I'll do that.  But, I think it is more fair if I am not restricted.  For instance, I may want to write about other companies in my town such as the new Marble City Market in Knoxville.  I want to learn to do this in a way that complies with the rules and doesn't result in getting banned on topics. Sttlaw (talk) 14:48, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding to these questions. I am not a checkuser or on ArbCom; since you have now been blocked with technical evidence, I am unable to effectively evaluate this request. I am keeping the unblock request below open and another administrator is invited to evaluate. Z1720 (talk) 18:25, 8 August 2023 (UTC)