User talk:Stuartfranklin

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Deletion request on File:Tank Man Long Shot by Stuart Franklin.jpg
Hello, Mr. Franklin. I see you edited File:Tank Man Long Shot by Stuart Franklin.jpg asking for it to be deleted, on the ground that you did not authorize it to be used on Wikipedia. I want to let you know that I moved your comment to the talk page for that file, where discussions belong.

However, if you would like the file to be deleted from Wikipedia, there is a process describing how to request that at WP:Files for deletion. If you would like to request deletion, that is the place to do so.

Note that the image is not being used under any claim that you have authorized it; rather it is being used under a claim of fair use. If you decide to seek its removal, you should be prepared to indicate why you do not believe it is a fair use, rather than just that it is not authorized.

Wikipedia's policies on fair use can be found at WP:FAIRUSE. They're actually generally more restrictive than actual fair use law requires.

I realize that Wikipedia policies and procedures can be kind of opaque for editors who do not do a lot of editing. As a courtesy to you, I would be willing to start the discussion for you if the process appears too daunting, if you so request. If so, I will make clear that I am not taking a position of my own, but rather opening the discussion on your behalf. At this point in time, I don't have a strong position on whether the use of the photo in the article Tank Man is fair use. I think it is, but don't feel strongly about it. At this point, I don't expect that I would take part in the discussion other than starting it for you, but I reserve my right to do so if I become persuaded one way or the other. TJRC (talk) 04:37, 25 May 2014 (UTC.


 * TJRC: You totally misunderstand the situation. Mr. Franklin's objections were made directly to me at my blog, not to Wikipedia. If you cannot accept from what I have told you that this is not Fair Use, I can only hope that Stuart Franklin will persuade you gently. Most people do not have the time or patience to enter into discussions of this sort whether or not someone has kindly offered to open one on their behalf. CCBC (talk) 07:09, 25 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't misunderstand. I'm referring to the edit he made to the file, in which he asked it to be deleted, see above.  Whether something is fair use is a legal question, not a matter of what you have told me.  Whether use conforms to Wikipedia fair use guidelines is a Wikipedia policy issue.


 * The point is, unless a request to delete the file is made, the file will not be deleted. If Mr. Franklin wants the file deleted, I'm offering to assist in getting that request made.  That's it.  Additionally, of course, if you would like the file to be deleted, you may make the same request.  But absent anyone making a request, the file won't be deleted.  TJRC (talk) 15:10, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I made a request to review if the picture meets the fair use policy.--Skyfiler (talk) 00:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I cannot accept this ruling. It cannot be "fair use" to attribute inaccurately a photograph taken by someone else to me!! This is insane. What kind of encyclopedia would accept this? This is Stuart Franklin again trying to get the stuartfranklin.jpg deleted. The wide horizontal photograph that is attributed to me and is up on Wikipedia is not my photograph. All my photographs from the Tiananmen Square Tank Man series are visible on the Magnum Photos (www.magnumphotos.com) archive. Please choose one from here to illustrate the entry, not a photograph that is not mine!!! I have tried so hard to make this clear. Thank you.
 * The file is now in speed deletion process. The author of the picture is Sin Wai-keung in case you are interested. --Skyfiler (talk) 17:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for helping on this. SF

Tank Man
Hello, After considerable further research, and discussion with Charlie Cole (another photographer who witnessed the event), I/we are convinced that the 'tank man' photograph was taken on 4th June, in the morning, and not on the 5th June as posted under the 'tank man' entry. I will supply all my arguments if required. Kind regards, Stuart Franklin

Thanks, but we cannot quote a Wikipedia user page. Did discussion get published elsewhere (e.g. a newspaper)?--Skyfiler (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)