User talk:Subzer0eprst

Hi,

I see one of your edit summaries says "removed some speculations." If such thoroughly referenced material is considered controversial in some quarters it would be good to make the case at greater length on the talk pages, lest we begin to speculate on _your_ reasons. ;-) Sparafucil (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, Hi,


 * "thoroughly referenced material" doesn't mean correct material. Agree? There is no proof, really that a Soviet submarine was involved.There are MANY reasons why an old wooden ship may blow up and go down. Hope you understand this.


 * The point is that verifiable publications accept as fact that Shch-213 fired the torpedo that sank Struma, and that this is verified by Soviet archives. If a reliable source expresses doubts about this, it should be cited, but if it's only your own opinion that there is some conspiracy then there are concerns about WP:Original research. Sparafucil (talk) 04:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Could you please give me a reference on Soviet archives that verify this info? if not do we know how many people seen those archives? and what kind of document(s) we are talking about here? From what I've red on the internet, the "Archives" indicate different time, place etc. of the attack. So it may or may NOT be Soviet sub that sunk Struma. That's why I call this speculations. Hope you understand.


 * Besides the extensive discussion in Frantz & Collins there are two articles and one website; you can easily read them for yourself. I hope you understand the ball's now in your court to provide reliable sources, "from what I've red on the internet" being too vague for Wikipedia. Sparafucil (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope you would agree that "extensive discussion" doesn't proof or disproof anything, it is just a discussion. Also please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence So far I don't see any proof. As I said before all we have here is mere speculation. BTW: I do agree it would be quite convenient to associate this disaster with a Soviet sub, but again we don't have any proof...