User talk:Sue Anne/Archive 1

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Ultimate Fighter template
I like the templates you've done for TUF. Keep up the good work. Shawnc 07:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Gambia at the 2000 Summer Olympics
Hello, good work on The Gambia at the 2000 Summer Olympics, and thanks for the contribution. However, you forgot to add any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. What websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to The Gambia at the 2000 Summer Olympics? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? Thank you very much. - SimonP 04:41, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Apprentice
No problem. It is my pleasure. Enjoy working on the Olympics. Kiwidude 03:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Melkite Page
Thanks for writing up the very complete Melkite Greek-Catholic Church page. However I notice a discrepancy. You make reference to "Maximos IV Sayegh (1846–1878)" citing a story about Gregory II, except that Maximos IV reigned from 1947-1967, as suggested by your discussion of him and Vatican II. I hesitate just to change the dates, because you may be confusing him for someone else (though none of the patriarchs had that reign, and besides, it overlaps with Gregory). So I'm not sure how to fix this. Can you provide any insight? Eric Ewanco 13:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

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The Apprentice 4
I'm sorry, it didn't occur to me they were ordered alphabetically. I reordered them according to the succession they were fired. Sharksfin 02:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Infobox template
Do you have any comments on the infobox template. 

I would like to start implementing it or something like it. I've done a sample one at Kenya at the 2000 Summer Olympics.

Sue Anne 08:28, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The template looks pretty good, but don't forget that having some text for the lead into the article is a good thing. I would say use it in addition to the existing text rather than a replacement (and definitely the existing text on almost all the pages needs some heavy expanstion). -- Jonel | Speak 21:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Olympic Rings in svg format
That's usually how Internet Explorer handles PNG's with transparencies. (Yes, Wikipedia converts SVG's to PNG's when they are used within articles.)  Denelson83  03:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Conventional warfare
Hi. I noticed that you recently made an edit to conventional warfare and I was hoping you could weigh in on a particular issue there. Thanks! uriah923(talk) 22:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

An Esperanzial note
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Slow 200m
That 200m time is very very slow for someone of his ability. I am asuming that is a typo in your source material. David D. (Talk) 07:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to harp on this but i am now sure that the IAAF are incorrect about that time being 200m flat. The table below outlines the data for Colin jackson (WR in 110mH) and Kevin Young (WR 400mH). Their times for the 200mH are comparable to the García 200m flat time cited by the IAAF. Is there a second source for this time?  I have done a cursory search but found nothing.


 * David D. (Talk) 09:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Still going. It looks like that time is correct. That was a very poor performance considering most decent hurdlers run faster than that over the hurdles. Do you think it is worth including? David D. (Talk) 10:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Living people with AutoWikiBrowser
Can you please turn category sorting off? For soccer player profiles, there is a definite structure on how the categories are listed, such as the teams the player played on are listed in chronological order, not alphabetical. So I ended up reverting some of these changes. DR31 (talk) 14:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Countries at the 2006 Winter Olympics
Hi! Thank you for creating the articles on Argentina and Bermuda. However, I think you ought to be a bit careful with creating those pages based on the Torino 2006 site yet - I know for a fact that a lot of Norwegian and Dutch athletes that are listed have not been selected by the Norwegian Olympic Committee, so I guess this could be the fact for other countries, too. Sam Vimes 08:03, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Medal Infobox
Oh, I had already done that infobox the day before you made that! :o\ (See )  Ahh well, I updated yours so that the olympic rings picture meshes better with the background color. I also added a, because I have seen this on rare occasions where a medal was taken away, and I believe this is significant. I wanted to add it to the talk pages, but first, I wanted to clear it through you...  As for my own template, should I just point it to these ones here? Or send them off to TfD? There are only several articles that use it so far, so it's not a big deal. Let me know. tiZom(the man) 06:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, hey, sorry, didn't see that you'd made that one. My only thing is that Olympic record (btw, holy cripes does that need more info...) has a meaning similar to world record, and therefore having it as a header for the box might be confusing (perhaps just "Olympic medals" might work?).  But the background color definitely looks better.  And the Disqualified one is nice for these people (at least, the ones who won medals before being caught).  I suggest redirects for the duplicate templates, as that's less work than TfDing them ;) but do whatever you feel should be done with them.  -- Jonel | Speak 03:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The only thing that I don't like is the red color of the disqualified box. The rest of the colors are jewel tones and the bright red doesn't match the style of those. Sue Anne 06:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * How about using, say, bgcolor=pink to give:


 * How does that look? We could play around with the colors a little more, still. -- Jonel | Speak 21:00, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey I noticed you had an idea for the Olympic Medal Record box - and I like it a lot. I also had problems with that bright red box (although, if an olympian is cheating at the olympics, then I think he might deserve something so blaring!)  But anyway, I'm changing it to pink.  We can always change it later ;o)  tiZom(the man)  21:56, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

2006 Olympics photos
Dear Anne Sue, please spread the message anywhere you like :-) More people know about it, the better! Thanks for your help, just keep an eye on Commons:Category:2006 Winter Olympics, we've just started adding pictures :-) Ary29 18:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Italy at 2006 Winter Olympics
Hi. Thanks for your additions to the Italy at the 2006 Winter Olympics, but I'm wondering - why do you put all the names as last names first? Bigdottawa 12:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

About that medal infobox...
I think that the country flag should be listed somewhere on the page of each athlete, don't you? It really would help draw a focus to the olympian's nationality, and I think that's important here. I just don't know where to put it :o\ I was thinking about somewhere in the medal infobox, but I can't think of where it might look good - at the top, in-line with each medal, etc. Any ideas? tiZom(2¢) 21:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that would make it look a bit cluttered. Since these boxes are designed to use on an athletes page wouldn't their nationality be obvious? David D. (Talk) 21:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There's room in that top box with the Olympic flag that a national flag might look okay next to it, But, I'm sort of ambivalent about it. Sue Anne 22:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess I come from the school that if nationality is really important in the case of olympians, then it should be instantly recognizable on their pages. And I don't want to add another parameter (namely, the country flag) after I've gone through them all and converted them to the infobox. But I'll hold off for now :o) tiZom(2¢)  19:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

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Archiving Winter Olympics Talk Page
I feel that some of the discussions are past. However, I'm very sorry to have archived it. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 17:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Olympic country pages
What I don't like is this:

Alpine skiing
Men's Combined
 * Ted Ligety
 * Slalom - 1:27.93
 * Downhill - 1:41.42
 * Final - 3:09.35 (Gold medal)
 * Scott Macartney
 * Slalom - 1.32.99
 * Downhill - 1:40.06
 * Final - 3:13.05 (16th place)

What do these 1., 2., 3. refer to? Nothing apparently. This seems to make much more sense:

Alpine skiing
Men's Combined
 * Ted Ligety
 * Slalom - 1:27.93
 * Downhill - 1:41.42
 * Final - 3:09.35 (Gold medal)
 * Scott Macartney
 * Slalom - 1.32.99
 * Downhill - 1:40.06
 * Final - 3:13.05 (16th place)

or

Alpine skiing
Men's Combined
 * Ted Ligety
 * Slalom - 1:27.93
 * Downhill - 1:41.42
 * Final - 3:09.35 (Gold medal)


 * Scott Macartney
 * Slalom - 1.32.99
 * Downhill - 1:40.06
 * Final - 3:13.05 (16th place)

Rmhermen 18:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Be careful
When fixing mispellings - in image names. This can cause the image to be removed from the article.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Image needs to be fixed on commons and then fixed at http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademia_Ekonomiczna_w_Krakowie in addition to the two pages on the en site.

Olympic conventions
Hey Sue, I know you're interested in Olympic coverage. Some people have started a discussion on conventions at Olympic conventions. Just letting you know. -- Jonel | Speak 01:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey Sreed!
I'm here, along with Celestianpower to be your Admin Coach, and I'm just dropping by to let you know that if you have any questions, feel free to ask either myself or Celestian, and happy editing! - Mys  e  kurity 02:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi! Sorry for being so late but I didn't notice you'd been assigned to me :P! Well, as Mysekurity said, we'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. Esperanzial regards, --Cel es tianpower háblame 19:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)