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Merry Christmas :)



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re: Merry Christmas!
Thanks for the Christmas comment - have a good one too!  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 14:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks much
Thank you for the kind note on my talk page, warm wishes to you and your family, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Holiday greetings
Thank you! {{subst:Xmas5}} I've left the choice of subst'ing to you, in case your talk page is too cheerful already...

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly Ratz...bo] 17:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose it is a little too late to respond with "Happy Hanukkah", and "Happy 10th of Tevet" sounds wrong...
 * It's never too late. Thank you so much, you rock! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 19:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sue
A quick request that you don't close AfD nominations that you make — if you feel the desire to withdraw your nomination, just make a note of the withdrawal in the debate and let some uninvolved administrator or editor formally close the process. Have a great holiday! Carrite (talk) 18:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * There is absolutely no reason for that. I am perfectly free to withdraw my own nominations, especially when they have all "Keep" opinions. Of course if there is ever a discussion where the consensus isn't so clear, I would certainly ask an admin to close it for me. Be well. (and have a great holiday too!!) --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 21:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No actually there is good reason for it; from WP:AFD "If the reasons given in the deletion nomination are later addressed by editing, the nomination should be withdrawn by the nominator, and the deletion discussion will be closed by an admin." Most of your reasons are about the article meeting referencing standards or has been edited thus applied. Mike (talk) 04:38, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh Mike, this is why I love you. You are far and away my favorite WP:TALKSTALK. I know you have not been around for a while, but it is standard practice for a nominator to withdraw their own AfDs if the votes are all KEEPs. That's called a snow keep. I can produce dozens of examples, if you like. It is good for Wikipedia not to waste people's time, and I hate being the cause of wasted time. When I find myself guilty of that, I fix it. There is no need to do such wiki-lawyering when everyone is in total agreement to withdraw the Afd. I have never seen anyone get into trouble for saving a ton of time and effort in this way, and I intend to continue the practice until an admin requests that I do otherwise. Now all that having been said, you are my freind, and you are an awesome Wikipedian, I wish you a warm and cheerful Christmas, be well. :) --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉  05:47, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy holidays to you as well!


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Pennsylvania
Hi Sue Rangell, I was wondering why you weren't making your new articles on Pennsylvania towns look more like wikipedia articles? Such as Albion, Pennsylvania --I am One of Many (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Please address the issue on the talk page of the article inquestion. That way I can tell specifically what it is that you feel needs to be changed/improved. Thanx. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 01:27, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Moved to User talk:PamD

Many thanks-
Many thanks for the greeting. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year-RFD (talk) 12:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Sexxx:Loaded TV Show for deletion
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Sexxx:Loaded_TV_Show
Moved to User talk:Mrfrobinson

Marry Christmas
Marry Christmas to you too. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 18:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Amram Aburabeh
Hey there. Seen you round the place a bit. Hey do you think moving Amram Aburabeh from AfC was a bit premature? It needs a huge cleanup and I am not even sure if it is a notable topic. This is the third AfC I have seen moved to article namespace that needs work. Worse still it has links to user pages. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:30, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I was REALLY iffy about that one, especially because of the images. I had my mouse on the decline button for several seconds before changing my mind. But then I figured that it would be easy enough to cleanup. I'll work on it a little to bring it more to standards. Thanks for bring this to me, now I feel sheepish. :) --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 21:38, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No sweat. Make sure that you have a good holiday. Or is editing WP your holiday? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 21:48, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Egypt help
Merry Christmas to you! Looking at the Abuwtiyuw talk page, I noticed your comments about ancient Egypt being a bit of a hobby for you. Could you help with the DYK review for Horus Sa? I'm running into multiple deep concerns with it, as I explained here and at the review page. Nyttend (talk) 14:13, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am certainly not a qualified egyptologist, but i will be very happy to take a look at it! Be well. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 20:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Horus Za
Hi, Sue. It is even uncertain if Za WAS a ruler. His name never appears within a serekh (a pharao's seal), so mainstream egyptologists ar uncertain if it was a ruler's name at all or just a building's name. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. I've researched this for hours now, and I cannot find anything to (solidly) indicate that there was ever a ruler named "Horus Za", and if there was, it was most likely another name for Horus Wneg. This is just a hobby for me, but even "professionals" seem to feel the same way as we do. I am not convinced that any "Horus Za" ever existed. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 22:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The existence of Horus Za is not in doubt since there are vessel fragments mentioning his Ka house (these inscriptions talk about someone called "Za"). However his identity is largely unknown and identifying Za as a horus name is also disputed. Please see in the article, this is all discussed. Weneg cannot be identified with Horus Sa with certainty: it is only an hypothesis and this hypothesis is in conflict with identifying Weneg with Raneb as J. Kahl does or with Wersakhnum as does Kaplony. These hypotheses are discussed and referenced in the article. Also note that the website you cite is precisely the one debated in the review of the article and I had to remove references to it as F. Raffaele is not a professional egyptologist. Iry-Hor (talk) 22:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand, and I am certainly not a professional Egyptologist by any stretch of the word. It just seems to me that there is not enough information to support ANY of the theories that are out there, and certainly nothing to support a DYK piece, as even the professionals are in disagreement, and "Do not know"... --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 22:49, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * DYK promotes new articles and the hook contains a "may". Therefore I think it qualifies for a DYK DYK promotes new articles, the article is extensively referenced and the hook contains a "may". The topic may be jugded difficult but I don't see how this can disqualify it since the article is about the various theories regarding Za. Therefore I think it qualifies for a DYK  Iry-Hor (talk) 22:59, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Sue!^^ Here's a lil' overwiew of the problem: Actually, there are several egyptian rulers from second and third dynasty, that seem to have ruled for a very short time, their names appear themself only on few artifacts. The best examples are:
 * Nubnefer: His name appears only twice on schist shards found at Saqqara. Since his name appears only as a nisut-bitj name (birth name), it's highly unsure to whom it belongs.
 * Weneg: His name appears eleven times on vessels and shards from Saqqara, but always as an throne name (nisut-bitj nebtj) only.
 * Hor-Ba: His name appears only once for sure, another shard MIGHT show his name, but the surface of the shard is heavily attrited. Since this name actually appears within a serekh, the existence of this ruler is out of doubt, but it's uncertain, when exactly Hor-Ba ruled.
 * Hor-?: His name appears twice for sure, maybe trice. The shards were found at Saqqara and Abydos, the bird-hieroglyph inside the serekh allows no secure reading. The addendum beside the serekh is strongly similar to the inscriptions on vessels that belonged once to king Qa'a, Sneferka and Hotepsekhemuy. Therefore egyptologists think it's most likely, that king "Bird" (as they call him provisionally) ruled during the shift from first to second dynasty.
 * Hor-Sneferka: His name was found on four shards, of whom one is from a private collection, so it's authenticity is questioned, especially since the serekh of the artifact has no horus falcon above the serekh. The other artifacts show addendums extremly similar to that of king Qa'a and Hotepsekhemuy, therefor Sneferka might have also ruled during the shift from first to second dynasty. I personally could well imagine that Sneferka was actually a queen rather than a king. It wouldn't be that unusual, in early Egypt it was common to let a queen rule whenever a crown prince or to-be king was still too young to rule independently. Famous cases from early dynasties are the queens Neithhotep and Meritneith. Both of them had their names written inside of serekhs, though they used the crest of the goddess Neith as a serekh patron.

Now back to Hor-Za: I'm also unsure that he really existed. If he did so, he obviously ruled a short time only. Let´s investigate the pros and contras about his existence:

Pro:
 * In early dynastic Egypt it was common tradition to write the Horus name of a ruler within a Ka-house without a serekh, best examples are Qa'a, Hotepsekhemuy and Raneb. So the lack of a serekh doesn't really speak against Hor-Za.
 * There are at least 16 (!) shards and vessels depicting Za's Ka-house, this is a bit too much for a real phantom ruler!
 * The artifacts with his name were found at different places (Djoser's step pyramid and a re-used tomb area several miles away).

Contra:
 * It is strange that NO vessel, shard or clay seal with Za's throne- or even birth name were ever found. His name is only attested by inattentively written ink inscriptions. And all inscriptions show his name without a serekh or other royal crest around.
 * All inscriptions mentioning his Ka-house show the name of a person called Iny-Khnum written beside. This is unusual, no other Ka-house depictions from early dynasties mention any personal name beside a Ka-house. This became tradition from king Khasekhemuy onward, therefore some scientists suspect Za being a ruler of third dynasty.

Just a lil' overview. ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 04:23, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you! The truth is that this is why I have taken on Egyptology as a hobby. It is exactly these sorts of mysteries that I find so fascinating. I also noticed the lack of a serekh on any of the naming. That strongly swayed me in the direction that he may not have ever existed. But then it gets a bit like the game of chess, there are precidents for a lack of a serekh, and I had sort of mentally "ignored" that (This is why I am an amateur and not a professional). Now I am not convinced that 16 shards makes overwhelming evidence (and I might be wrong again, but I thought the count was 18) The ink inscriptions are a bit of a red flag to me. The "overwhelming" evidence of 16+ shards and vessels is offset by the lack of anything with Za's throne. Which you know is VERY strange. It could mean that they simply have not been discovered yet...unlikely all things considered, but that is the fun of solving these mysteries. Personally, there's something there, but my thinking is that this probable third dynasty ruler may not have existed at all, or if he did, there was trouble of such a nature that recorded history is sketchy. I have a number of possible theories, but none of them are backed with any evidence. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 04:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * This is why I just LOVE the time early dynastic Egypt. ;o) So mysterious, such contradicting evidences and yet such a cool culture! About Za:


 * My, my... Beside Nubnefer this one is a real troublemaker. Nubnefer is known by a birth name only, this is SO f*cking odd! Normally the rulers of early dynasty never used the nisut-bitj crest single, they prefered to use the full throne name (nisut-bitj nebty) and it was always identical to the horus name. Examples: Hor-Hetepsekhemuy → Nisut-bitj-Nebty Hetepsekhemuy; Hor-Nynetjer → Nisut-bitj-Nebty Nynetjer; Seth-Peribsen → Nisut-bitj-Nebty Peribsen. The birthname as a single crest were used from king Huni onward. The nebty name as a single crest were already used in single form, but not by kings but by their queens. King Nubnefer is in my opinion either a fake (the artifacts are so) or he ruled much, much later.


 * The problems around Hor-Za grow with the person called Iny-Khnum!!! Persons with the deity Khnum in their names during second dynasty are: Khnum-sedjw (or Sedjw-Khnum), Weret-Khnum (a female name, therefor maybe a princess or queen), Sat-Khnum (queen or princess) and Khnum-Pa'a (also a queen or princess). Whilst Sedjw-Khnum is mentioned alongside king Qa'a and king Sneferka, the others all date to the midst and end of second dynasty or early third dynasty. Therefore it´s even yet more problematic to date Hor-Za correctly. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 05:41, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)
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 * Already done! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 18:47, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Christmas Wishes
Thank you for your note, and I hope you and yours are enjoying the Christmas season as well : ) - jc37 07:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail
'''-- [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Riley_Huntley/You_missed! Cheers, ] Ri l ey   ''' 11:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 21:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * Done ! --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉  21:13, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Susan Essien Etok
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