User talk:Sugar Bear/Archive11

Ralph Bakshi Films
Hi, Sugar Bear! Very belated response, by months, since I hadn't been checking into Wikipedia much of late (I'm more active on Muppet Wiki as an admin). Anyway, I'm going over the list now, and a few wound up incorrectly attributed in the text (not many though), but here's a guide to using the book. There are initials after each entry, for Jerry and the four main contributing writers (myself, Bob Miller, Fred Patten, and Martin Goodman), and in a few cases, a full name (since at the end, a couple other folks pitched in for one or two entries only). Marea Boylan, for example, did Lord of the Rings. -- Aleal (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, done! Some of the actual link formatting (some had space for coauthors, some didn't) you may have to fix, I just specified when someone other than Jerry Beck was actually being quoted (I'm not sure if background is needed or helpful (there may be the obvious "Who is so and so?" reactions, but I didn't know if it was appropriate or suitable). Really only the three titles that I could catch. If you need help on any of the others, outside of just checking the initials after the entry, let me know. There were three other last minute writers, at least one of whom is identified by full name only in the "Ackowledgements" page: Stuart Fisher, David Bastian, and cartoon music expert Daniel Goldmark. And by a complete and utter coincidence, every film entry beginning with the letter "I" wound up assigned to me! -- Aleal (talk) 22:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

ICP Miracles edits, not vandalism
You should assume good faith. It seems that everyone of your edits to the article on that ICP Miracles song accuses every other editor of vandalism This song is the source of the "fuckin' magnets" internet meme, an example of magnetism in popular culture, and has been blasted by some for being anti-science.If your pissed at the scientist, isn't that anti-intellectual? Smiloid (talk) 08:49, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Please stop reverting edits that do utterly innocuous things like quote the song. It's tacky. Phil Sandifer (talk) 19:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Nu Metal The version you edited was much better written than yours which (i assume) is designed to combat vandalism rather than give people a feel for what nu metal is. So I don't agree with you that the edit was vandalism, as it was truer, but as yours is more verifible its fine please do not say edits that are better written are vandalism, its confusing Syxxpackid420 (talk) 09:06, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * All three of you: Do some more research and learn how to discern between what is actually relevant, and what is extremely trivial. (Sugar Bear (talk) 18:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC))

Amazing Jeckel Brothers
OK, after some digging, I found this:

http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/i/insaneclownposse-amazing.shtml

This mentions "Another Love Song" as a "a psycho parody of Beck's "Jack-Ass":

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/The-Amazing-Jeckel-Brothers/Insane-Clown-Posse/e/731452466129

The article, which is basically a negative review of the album, references that the album has "great samples ranging from 70's funk to calliope music to Beck." I think that ICP sampled Beck's song Jack-Ass, which in turn sampled "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue." This would make sense, I don't know if we need to find a better citation. I can keep looking.

As for the second part, I think that was original research on my part. I'll remove it until a good citation can be found.

I think if we keep this up, we have a good chance to make this article move up to GA-Status!--Gen. Quon (talk) 02:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Miracles
I don't see what your point is. You repeatedly add an entire paragraph that repeats information already established in the "Music video" section (the SNL parody and Bruce's reception of that parody), adds claims that are not backed up by the source used, or any other source for that matter (Internet memes), and basically serves no purpose other than to pad out the article. Despite the claim made by an anonymous editor on the Insane Clown Posse talk page, we're not looking to have as much text as there can possibly be devoted to everything in the world. Trim the fat. (Sugar Bear (talk) 19:35, 16 May 2010 (UTC))


 * The source has lots of information that is not used, and I cannot find anything I've added that is elsewhere in the article. All you have done in the article is to revert instead of trying to improve.  All you ever do on Wikipedia is revert.  Are you ready for IPv6? (talk) 19:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, that is not true. There is no new information added in your edits. Padding out the article with repeated information and unsourced claims is not the same as adding new information. As far as your claim that "all [I] do is revert", that is obviously not true, considering how many featured articles I have written or helped write. (Sugar Bear (talk) 20:00, 16 May 2010 (UTC))
 * Where is the same information said elsewhere? I cannot find it.  Are you ready for IPv6? (talk) 20:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I figured out a solution
Ok so I guess we are all having a battle about this nu metal, groove metal subject. So your right, I cant simply act like I own the article. And as well I can start a wikia. So here is my plan. Im starting numetal at wikia. It will have nu metal, groove metal, etc. All the hated/controversial genres of metal. These articles will be the prototypes for the ones on wikipedia. Once they are finished, sourced, cleaned up, formatted properly. I'll send them by you can you can tell me whether or not they can be the actual wikipedia articles.70.119.201.161 (talk) 18:58, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Fritz the Cat
Hi there, thanks for the note on my talk page regarding Fritz's FAC nom. I've looked at the article history and can't see that you've added much about the flavour of the Fritz strips, so I have no basis to update my comments there. Let me know if you feel I've missed something. If I were trying to tackle my own criticism I'd try to find some strips that were considered more important than others if possible and then describe them with a bit of detail. If no strips stand out as obvious candidates then I'd try to seek out ones that seem typical of the work. From the little I know of Crumb I thought one thing he does a fair bit is have something drawn in the frame and then a caption with an arrow labelling what he's drawn; that kind of thing could be mentioned in the article: stuff he does a lot or repeats would all be of interest.

Well done on all the work you've put in so far; it's a very good article, I just don't personally feel I can support featured yet. Others may disagree of course! --bodnotbod (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello again. Those recent additions you've made are welcome but still rather too brief to my mind. Taking a strip and describing every frame and caption would be going too far on the other hand; I'm looking for something in the middle and - as mentioned - if at all possible it would be good if you did this with a strip that has been remarked upon as notable.


 * I get the impression you may well have a collection of strips to hand; looking through them, what do you notice that crops up a lot other than the sexual content? Are there any recurring characters? Does Crumb, as I mentioned above, tend to draw objects/people and then label them with a caption? Does Fritz have any catchphrases or a particular style of speech? Sorry to sound so demanding. My aim is really to urge you to give the reader a good idea what to expect from a Fritz strip. --bodnotbod (talk) 09:48, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I read it again. It is on the right track, but I still can't say it is a comprehensive article. The key is detail. Some things needed to be comprehensiveness.
 * "Crumb's sense of fantasy led Fritz to play many roles over the years, including a pop music star, a hip poet, a college dropout, a secret agent and a militant revolutionary." can be expanded with specific examples. In this format: "Fritz worked a militant revolutionary in X story and did A, B, C things"
 * A section about characters, their appearance, attitudes etc.
 * A section about Design of the comic strip, similar to Aladdin_(1992_film).-- Redtigerxyz Talk 12:31, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey there, tell me what you think of my copy edits. I think there still is room for improvement in relation to repetition of "most well known features of the underground scene" etc. Thanks. Deagle_AP (talk) 03:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Beloved Freak  21:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILMS May 2010 Newsletter
The May 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:56, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Rap metal
Hi Sugar Bear, how are you? I think it would be good to translate the article on the Wikipedia in Spanish, is complete and has good information. I will gladly help, but I'm not native English speaker (sorry for my difficult language). Goodbye. Teby 95 (talk) 02:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Ooops?
I'm assuming you didn't mean to reintroduce the POV commentary when you reverted this edit? I've taken the two lines in question out but retained your other changes. Cheers, --Jezebel's Ponyo shhh 14:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)