User talk:Suitedana

Edit title of persons name
How can I edit the title of a persons name if it’s spelt incorrectly?

Thanks

Suitedana (talk) 12:00, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What article is it and what source supports the change? Praxidicae (talk) 12:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Her Name is Victoria Nicolls not Nicholls. Please edit the name. In the main body text her name is correct but the title is still wrong Suitedana (talk) 12:31, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nicholls

But her name does not have an ‘h’ in it Suitedana (talk) 12:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Need to change the URL and the title please Suitedana (talk) 12:34, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What source supports this change? As it stands now, the article has 0 reliable sources anyway. Praxidicae (talk) 12:43, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

I know Victoria personally and she said to me yesterday that she already requested this change and it wasn’t done. So please change to correct spelling Suitedana (talk) 21:25, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Personal knowledge is not a source, I'm afraid. You'll need to provide a published source. Praxidicae (talk) 23:53, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Please respond i showed you the link with the correct information Suitedana (talk) 09:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Change title of Victoria Nicolls page
help me

PLease change Victoria Nicolls name. There is no "h" in her surname

See proof below https://www.advertiserlaketimes.com.au/story/5007633/a-musical-making-fun-of-menopause-comes-to-dapto-and-thirroul/

https://www.forbesadvocate.com.au/story/5015866/musical-parody-heating-up-town/

https://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/5015383/women-on-fire-is-comic-look-at-the-change/

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnewslocal%2Fwentworth-courier%2Fvictoria-nicolls-is-in-menopause-the-musical%2Fnews-story%2F05393836949549f2a785c14524dfe01f&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

https://newcastlelive.com.au/victoria-nicolls-joins-menopause-musical-cast/

https://au.linkedin.com/in/victoria-nicolls-2715ba70

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1982180

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPqe7fPSjFU

https://www.facebook.com/victoriajane.nicolls

Please help me with...

Suitedana (talk) 06:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC) suitedana
 * There are sources spelling it both ways - does she have any official website, personal social media accounts to show how she spells it? KylieTastic (talk) 12:15, 18 December 2019 (UTC)


 * We don't accept information as valid simply because someone comes along and creates a Wikipedia article and claims to be the person concerned or one of their acquaintances. Anyone can create a Wikipedia account and claim to be anyone. There are many sources that spell the name as "Nicholls", including those cited in the article. It is perfectly possible that those sources are mistaken, but if so you need to provide one or more reliable sources that support "Nicolls", and explain why those sources are more reliable than those that support "Nicholls". Until you can do so there is no reason to change the article title. (For what it's worth, my searches produced a far larger number of sources supporting "Nicholls" than "Nicolls".) JBW (talk) Formerly JamesBWatson 14:53, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Would you like to see her drivers license for proof? Someone else created the article without her knowledge and she is trying to change it back to her actual name. We are trying to change the IMBd records too Suitedana (talk) 22:21, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Can you show me the other sources you found so I can contact them too so I can change the name back to her real name please  Suitedana (talk) 22:23, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

OK please change the name now

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Help me!
Suitedana (talk) 06:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC) suitedana

There are sources spelling it both ways - does she have any official website, personal social media accounts to show how she spells it? KylieTastic (talk) 12:15, 18 December 2019 (UTC) We don't accept information as valid simply because someone comes along and creates a Wikipedia article and claims to be the person concerned or one of their acquaintances. Anyone can create a Wikipedia account and claim to be anyone. There are many sources that spell the name as "Nicholls", including those cited in the article. It is perfectly possible that those sources are mistaken, but if so you need to provide one or more reliable sources that support "Nicolls", and explain why those sources are more reliable than those that support "Nicholls". Until you can do so there is no reason to change the article title. (For what it's worth, my searches produced a far larger number of sources supporting "Nicholls" than "Nicolls".) JBW (talk) Formerly JamesBWatson 14:53, 18 December 2019 (UTC) Would you like to see her drivers license for proof? Someone else created the article without her knowledge and she is trying to change it back to her actual name. We are trying to change the IMBd records too Suitedana (talk) 22:21, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Can you show me the other sources you found so I can contact them too so I can change the name back to her real name please Suitedana (talk) 22:23, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Here is her facebook page for proof.

https://www.facebook.com/victoriajane.nicolls https://www.forbesadvocate.com.au/story/5015866/musical-parody-heating-up-town/

https://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/5015383/women-on-fire-is-comic-look-at-the-change/

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnewslocal%2Fwentworth-courier%2Fvictoria-nicolls-is-in-menopause-the-musical%2Fnews-story%2F05393836949549f2a785c14524dfe01f&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

https://newcastlelive.com.au/victoria-nicolls-joins-menopause-musical-cast/

https://au.linkedin.com/in/victoria-nicolls-2715ba70

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1982180

https://www.facebook.com/victoriajane.nicolls

Suitedana (talk) 00:09, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Facebook is not a reliable published source, sorry. Praxidicae (talk) 00:24, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The only thing being requested here is a change to the spelling of the individual's name- which apparently varies from source to source. Would her own Facebook page not be acceptable as a source for the spelling of her name(if verified)? 331dot (talk) 00:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Her Facebook as linked here is not at all appropriate as a source, no. But at the time I responded to the help me request, that was the only source the user provided. They added all the other stuff afterward. Praxidicae (talk) 00:58, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * What should be used as the source of her name's spelling if the independent sources differ?(a genuine question) 331dot (talk) 01:04, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd say whatever the bulk of RS say unless there is a published RS that is primary too, but her personal FB would never be acceptable. Praxidicae (talk) 01:08, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:PRIMARY states "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." Is the spelling of a name according to the named person not a straightforward, descriptive statement of fact? 331dot (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would agree with 331dot a person can factually define there name (but not there WP:COMMONNAME) however the source would have to be trusted as valid and primary and in this case the facebook link does not appear to even work so a mute point. KylieTastic (talk) 20:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

the last person told me to show them this. So it is a reliable source

OK please change the surname now.

I am confused as to which thread I need to reply to.

PLEase urgently change the name to NICOLLS thanks

Suitedana (talk) 00:27, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You only need one open 'help me' request; please do not make additional requests. Also, instead of creating a new section for every edit, simply edit the existing section, or the page as a whole by clicking "edit" instead of "new section". 331dot (talk) 00:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I didn't see it had been closed- but I think you have enough eyes here now. 331dot (talk) 00:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Here is all the proof

https://www.forbesadvocate.com.au/story/5015866/musical-parody-heating-up-town/

https://www.camdencourier.com.au/story/5015383/women-on-fire-is-comic-look-at-the-change/

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=DTWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailytelegraph.com.au%2Fnewslocal%2Fwentworth-courier%2Fvictoria-nicolls-is-in-menopause-the-musical%2Fnews-story%2F05393836949549f2a785c14524dfe01f&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

https://newcastlelive.com.au/victoria-nicolls-joins-menopause-musical-cast/

https://au.linkedin.com/in/victoria-nicolls-2715ba70

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1982180

https://www.facebook.com/victoriajane.nicolls

YES i did read it now I understand,

SO please change the name now, Thank you

There are WAY more sources in NICOLLS than the wrong spelling with an H.

SO the REAL person's surname is Nicolls please change it now.

Is this the correct area to be typing? Please respond to the request now and change the name to NICOLLS, Thank you

OK so please change the name now

YES I showed you MANY primary sources where her real name is spelt NICOLLS, she is the famous Actress

Please change and inform me thank you.

her are many many more:

https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/4950284/musical-parody-a-sure-fire-hit/

http://www.wwwentworth.co.uk/A27.htm

http://www.tv.com/people/victoria-nicolls/

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OLD-AUSTRALIAN-TV-WORLD-MAGAZINE-DEC-1980-ALAN-DALE-VICTORIA-NICOLLS-/153515832223

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=qx6GDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA1985-IA1&lpg=PA1985-IA1&dq=victoria+nicolls&source=bl&ots=lZhH9hlYc9&sig=ACfU3U05EXdGdHZBet8Oq-LfpqH1aiaTww&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz6v_opsHmAhXyxzgGHaMABMI4HhDoATAJegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=victoria%20nicolls&f=false

https://www.last.fm/music/Victoria+Nicolls

http://russellcheek.com.au/testimonials/

https://newtheatricals.com/production/mums-the-word-2-teenagers/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPqe7fPSjFU

https://www.gettyimages.no/detail/news-photo/march-2004-victoria-nicolls-at-a-night-with-the-stars-a-news-photo/52171921?adppopup=true

https://geelongindy.com.au/entertainment/29-10-2018/menopause-girls-night/

NO not at all. I am not random. I know Victoria Nicolls personally and she is sooooooo frustrated that her name is incorrect on Wikipedia. To prove this We are willing to supply whatever it takes to change her name to her real name Victoria Nicolls. She can supply her drivers licence???? Birth certificate or anything you need. Please advise urgently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.199.54 (talk) 01:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Also you are incorrect. Her appearances date far back, further than 2002, like in the 1980's etc.

Please advise what you need from me in a hard copy evidence so we can change the name. Victoria and I will not stop until you change the name to the correct one. She is sick and tired of people looking her up on Wikipedia and getting the wrong spelling!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.199.54 (talk) 01:08, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Suitedana (talk) 00:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Please read my last post above. You no longer need to use 'help me'; please click "edit" to edit this page. 331dot (talk) 00:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Suitedana yes we know sources exist for both spellings but a google google "victoria nicholls" australian has 3,700 results, and "victoria nicolls" australian has 1,400 results. So you could list all 1400 of the ones that have no h but that does not prove it correct over someone listing the 3700 with an h. The only thing we can be fairly sure of at the moment is she has been known by both spellings for a while. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 21:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes but it’s because some idiot made the article in Wikipedia without her knowing and then other people took the Wikipedia spelling and put it in other articles without her permission. The articles I showed you are the ones where she is an actress and she vitoed the spelling in person therefore the ones I showed you are more valid than other ones Suitedana (talk) 21:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

To put a stop to this madness will you accept her drivers licence ? As proof and ID Suitedana (talk) 21:58, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

She said we have to change it and I’m not going to stop until her name is corrected Suitedana (talk) 21:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The problem is, the more people that come to Wikipedia and look her up, the more articles out there that get created in the WRONG name. It has to be corrected now Suitedana (talk) 22:03, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If the media is reporting it based on Wikipedia, those are not reliable sources. It's as simple as that. Praxidicae (talk) 22:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The article Victoria Nicholls was started in 2006‎ way after all of the listed appearances, so to blame Wikipedia is provably wrong. Such as this from 2002, and this from gov.au fro 2005 using Nicholls. So at the moment this is looking like one random anonymous person asserting that the historical sources are wrong. KylieTastic (talk) 23:22, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Name changed
Hi Suitedana, after finding several National Library of Australia sources and images of the audio recordings I found enough to justify the move. I have updated the article with some more sources, update the name, kept a mention of the alternative spelling so the article is locatable, and moved the article to Victoria Nicolls. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)