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Michael Madhusudan Dutt
Dear Sumanch,

1. Most of the references suggest the spelling Dutt to be used to refer to the poet. The pronunciation is not the issue, the Dutt spelling seems to be the prevailing one, and possibly used by the poet.

2. I deleted the Atul Bose portrait of Madhusudan. For artistic work, the copyright duration is artist's death+60 years. Atul Bose died in 1977, so his paintings are still under copyright in India. --Ragib (talk) 07:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Sumanch, thanks for your reply. Now, (1) I will check your comment about the poet's preferred spelling ... but on a quick search, Golam Murshid's recent book on Michael's letters refer to him as Dutt. I'll double check this this weekend ... and get back to you. (2) The painting is not a photograph. The "Unveiling date" rule applies to photographs, not to paintings. (see Chapter V, section 22, 25 of Indian copyright act). For all artistic work other than photographs, per section 23, "Term of copyright in published literary, dramatic, musical and artistic works.-Except as otherwise hereinafter provided, copyright shall subsist in any literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work (other than a photograph) published within the lifetime of the author until [sixty] years from the beginning of the calendar year next following the year in which the author dies.    So, definitely, the Atul Bose painting is still under copyright. We can't use it here. --Ragib (talk) 20:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * There should be lots of paintings/images of the poet available, so we can easily use one that is in PD. This one, unfortunately, won't be in PD till 2037. Thanks. --Ragib (talk)

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The new template looks small and did not look good and hence is replaced with the old one.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 12:27, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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Insignia
I don't think I will be able to contribute in such a way for the next few days (2-3 days). You let me know what need to be done (Create Sleeve Insignia just like for the IAF ranks - beyond my current knowledge capability of Graphics.) Anything else, I can help?Chanakyathegreat (talk) 13:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

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 * You said "invalid source. The source provided, was for a PDF file. However Exact image can be found in google search."
 * It is one of the sources for the file. If you open the PDF file, you will find the image on page 1 (pdf file page 7). You will find in google and on multiple other places because it is the the picture of the supreme court Chief Justice. Rizvisa1 (talk) 21:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Indian Air Force
On behalf of Assessment team: WP INDIA, B is the highest, we can give. go for WP:GA or WP:FA. IMO, In terms of GA, an easy pass.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 06:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sumanch, I am sorry, I get very few minutes. I will try.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 11:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sumanch, check whether citizens of Nepal and Bhutan are also eligible to apply for IAF jobs. I think they can. Check the UPSC website. You will get the required information there.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 12:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * In Modzilla [edit] was getting bundled up or edit overlaps some text. So moved the pictures in sections but the net appearance was same. Will participate in PR soon. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 12:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You have made some questionable changes to the concerned article - for example removing sourced and adding unsourced material. Please use edit summary more often to explain your edits. --Nosedown (talk) 19:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * As I said before, GA seems to be an easy pass. There are 2 paths: 1. Go directly to FA, if you are confident 2. Go to the longer path: GA, A (Military history A-Class review) and then FA. In each process, you will some input to make the article better. Another way is go to A directly, skipping GA. I would suggest: A then FA path, skipping GA as IMO, it is already GA quality. Also, GA process may take its own time. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 12:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw the A class review. The article has too many images: More images -> more time to load the page. Eliminate the gallery. Choose the best pictures in terms of encyclopaedic and photographic quality. -- Redtigerxyz Talk 05:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Missing

 * "''Deadlinks — I went through the article. Looks like I am missing them. I will appreciate if you can list them.


 * Suspicious links — I thought only 3 of them were (Bharat Rakshak, GlobalSecurity and domain-B). Can you please give the other two. I will address issues with each citations individually. Let me know if that will work.


 * Disambiguous(?) links — I think I completely missed what you meant by that.''"

I actually get this a lot, so do not feel too bad for being unable to find them :)

On the A-class review page, the actual page you created for the nom, you should see a box to the right side of the screen that contains what look to be three external links. These links are actually automated tools that check the article to determine the status of the external links, the number of editors to an article and the total number of their edits to the article, and a tool that checks for "disambig" links - links like USS Enterprise that go to a "may may be looking for..." page instead of the article the author of the page intended for them to go to.

If after reading this you still can not find the box leave a message on my talk page and I will add it to this section so you can find it. Bon Chance! TomStar81 (Talk • Some say ¥€$, I say NO) 03:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Insignia Talk
Hey! Sumanch, I saw your insignia work in the Indian Navy article. It was quite a neat work. I was wondering if you could help me in making insignia for 'indian police service' and 'indian army'. It would be great! ;) Just tell me if you are interested because I really dont know how to do it, and it would be really nice if u could help! thnxs. Talk 14:44, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry man, but I dont even have the pictures. I thought they wern't pictures rather u had made them! Could you get it from somewhere? If not that, could we put up the star plates of senior IPS and army officers? Is it possible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaiddauji (talk • contribs) 11:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Fine, I'll surely get back to you when I manage to get the pics for both Police and Army :) Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaiddauji (talk • contribs) 12:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem, I'll try to get the info and pics on both maybe we'll be able to work on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaiddauji (talk • contribs) 12:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, once again Sumanch. :)  I actually wanted to ask you, which software is it that you use to create .png images like you did for Insignia for Air Force & Navy. I am not kind of an image creator, but I would really appreciate if you could help me. Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaiddauji (talk • contribs) 15:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Buddy One last question, is Adobe Photoshop CS4 ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaiddauji (talk • contribs) 07:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaiddauji (talk • contribs) 09:13, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thats Great! How much time would it take to complete? I tried Adobe, but it's difficult for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaiddauji (talk • contribs) 12:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Corps of Indian Amry
Hi ,I noticed that you updated the GOCs of the corps. Do you have a source for these info you can share with me? We are at a loss of sources for List of regiments of the Indian Army (1903). --Vinay84 (talk) 13:00, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope I dont think I have any thing on IA1903. The GOCs of the corps were updated in Bharat Rakshak recently. I am afraid finding GOCs of regiments will be too deep for material in PD. Sumanch (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

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Indian Air Force
NAL Saras is being developed as civilian transport, but according to the NAL Saras article, the IAF has placed an order for 15 Saras aircraft for use as light transports. That is why it is included in the "under development" section.

HAL Tejas is not under procurement. It will only get IOC by December.

Sorry about the reporting names. I'm new to wikipedia, so bear with me. I'm just trying to make the article better, I don't have any bad intensions. Won't happen again.

Didn't understand what you meant by "citeweb template".

The "under development" section is badly organised. Do you mind if I make it an entirely new section and classify it based on types of aircraft like the "aircraft inventory" section? Can I delete the "future aircraft" section? The upgrades mentioned in the prose are already mentioned under "aircraft inventory".

Will wait for your opinion before making any more edits... --Gremaldin (talk) 11:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I have posted the new section I suggested in the Indian Air Force talk page. Please comment. --Gremaldin (talk) 14:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't add anything new, I just presented what was already there in a different way. So, should we consider reducing the size of the original section? --Gremaldin (talk) 05:16, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I finished a prose version of the "future" section in my sandbox according to the recommendation by Kirk (talk). Tell me what you think. --Gremaldin (talk) 10:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I expanded the "aerospace command" section in my sandbox under the section title "Integrated Space Cell". Tell me what you think. --Gremaldin (talk) 13:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The changes have been applied to the main page. --Gremaldin (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Aircraft inventory

 * I started on a more concise ansd compehensive version of the "Aircraft Inventory" section in my sandbox. I haven't changed the "Tanker aircraft", "Training aircraft", and "Unmanned aerial vehicles" sections, but I will when I get enough time. Please comment on the edits in my talk page. Will wait for your comments before changing the original article. --Gremaldin (talk) 06:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

I finished editing the "Aircraft inventory" section. It's in my sandbox. I wasn't able to find citations for a few sections. If you find any, please add them. --Gremaldin (talk) 04:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I like the edits, though I don't agree with the total number of aircraft. I had provided a citation from bharat-rakshak.com for changing the number to 1409. Do you have any more recent source which states the total number to be 1309? --Gremaldin (talk) 06:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

I cited from bharat-rakshak.com because I thought it was a website run by the Indian military. I thought it would be the most authorative source of info. available on the net. Anyway, I went through the websites in the citations you mentioned. Apparently, both have been edited after they were first cited. A page from indianairforce.nic.in (from cite number 4 in the main page) doesn't mention the total number of aircraft operated. However, it does mention about the MiG-23, which has been phased out. It also mentions the MiG-21Bis, but no Bison. It seems the page is outdated. The page from cite number 1 claims that about 1318 aircraft are in service with the IAF including 1 HAL Tejas which is impossible because the Tejas will only get IOC by December (if I am not wrong). The book mentioned in cite number 3 was written in 2006 - many more aircraft (like the Su-30MKI - HAL produces some every year till they reach 140) might have been inducted and many aircraft like the MiG-21 may have been phased out or lost in crashes. So I think we should look for a more recent source. The article in bharat-rakshak was last edited in October 2009. But if it is not considered a neutral source, then we may have to look for other sources. Is it ok if I apply the edits I suggested in the main page? --Gremaldin (talk) 08:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * So shall I apply the changes to the main page? Meanwhile, we can look for a more reliable source and edit the numbers when needed. Or maybe we should avoid numbers altogether. What is your opinion? --Gremaldin (talk) 06:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

It looks great and much more condensed than the one in the main page. But doesn't this format take much more space than the bulleted format I suggested? Also, isn't the bulleted format more easy to follow? What do you think?

About the number of aircraft in service, since it can never be determined with accuracy from open sources and since it is always changing, maybe it will be better not to mention about it. After all, it is better than providing false information. I noticed that the article on United States Air Force does not cite the numbers in service for each and every aircraft. What do you think?

Do you think we should start a section on the Surface to Air Missile systems operated by the IAF? Also, there is no mention of the Prithvi II. --Gremaldin (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right, prose looks better. I'll start working on a more short and concise version in my sandbox. I'll let you know when it's ready. I'll leave out the aircraft numbers for now unless I can get sources other than bharat-rakshak. We can check the validity of these numbers with possibly more valid or newer reports before including them in the main page. To make it easier to check the aircraft numbers, I'll post any new aircraft numbers I find with references in my sandbox under a new section. Sorry about the Prithvi II. I read that it was inducted into the IAF. I assumed IAF stood for "Indian Air Force", but actually the article was mentioning about the "Indian Armed Forces". --Gremaldin (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I finished a comprehensive and concise version of the "aircraft inventory" section. It's in my sandbox. Please comment. Shall I apply the changes to the main page? --Gremaldin (talk) 14:48, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I split the history section into subsections following a recommendation by Kirk. By the way, I read the pervious peer review and I didn't see anyone recommending that the "history" section should not have subsections. I will wait for your comments before applying the changes to the main page. --Gremaldin (talk) 11:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I completely revamped the "Land-Based Air Defence" section in my sandbox. Please tell me what you think. I didnt include the 9K38 Igla/SA-16 Gimlet as I could find no source that states it is in the IAF inventory. Please add it if you find a credible source. --Gremaldin (talk) 14:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Training
About the training section which Kirk suggested, I think it will be better to create a new article like "Training in the Indian Air Force" and then put a "main article" link in the main page. I found a site which could give us a start: http://careerairforce.nic.in/career_opp/trg_flying.html

BTW, are you on a wiki-break? You haven't responded to my messages for a while. --Gremaldin (talk) 09:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

History
To tell you the truth, I was considering the same. The History section has become a bit disorganised, and of course I am the one to blame. I started work on the section in my sandbox. Feel free to make any changes there. --Gremaldin (talk) 08:20, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

The changes have been made in the main page. Please comment. --Gremaldin (talk) 10:14, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

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What is your source for his regiment of commission, which you report as 64 CAV? Buckshot06 (talk) 00:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

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Your recent edits to Indian Air Force
I had to rollback your recent edits to the Indian Air Force. The International Institute for Strategic Studies is recognized as a highly authoritative source. You said you cannot find the related material? Yet the publication title is listed, along with the Institutions name, the authors name, and date of its publication. If you have any problems discuss the matter here. &mdash; Augmented Reality'' Woe90i 00:51, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 1. Yes I remembered adding that book for some reference but I do not remember what we were referencing. However, The personnel strength of 127,000 published in IISS 2010 is an outlier, other sources are consistently quote between 160k and 180K. Therefore, either it can be ignored or it has to be worked into the paragraph.
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 * 3. The POV issue that you have raised can be resolved List of countries by level of military equipment.

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 * I have not raised any POV issue. I suggest you read up on Verifiability. The IISS is considered both reliable and authoritative and the most up-todate source available on manpower. It remains only your opinion that the IISS source 'is an outlier'. &mdash; Augmented Reality'' Woe90i 10:12, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The IAF does not publish the personnel or equipment strength like RAF or USAF. That is why any published research or claim has equal authority. The only difference is that some are conservative and others are liberal.


 * IISS is a reputable and authentic source however they never publish how they deduce the force strength. Because India considers that information a national secret, the weight on it should be significantly less. This issue had come up during a previous peer review. We had agreed that because these numbers cannot be determined with absolute precision, we should use the approximation. Sumanch (talk) 21:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Correction, India does not protect the strength of its conventional military forces. I am afraid you are just resorting to speculation and own personal opinion. The Indian Ministry of Defense does however keep secret any information regarding it strategic nuclear capabilities.


 * "The IAF does not publish the personnel or equipment strength......that is why any published research or claim has equal authority", no they do not, even if India did maintain a policy of military secrecy they still do not claim equal authority. Again I suggest you read up on Verifiability.


 * However, I do see your point and reasoning behind keeping the 2006 figures along-side the IISS 2010 figures. Retaining both yearly figures is good for reference purposes for those years and is indeed valuable information. &mdash;  Woe90i Woe90i 22:04, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Khoun Laboravy
Hello Sumanch. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Khoun Laboravy, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: playing for the Cambodian national team is enough to pass NFOOTY, certainly enough for A7. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 09:28, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * ...and the same applies to Sam El Nasa. JohnCD (talk) 09:43, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I had requested CSD on 4-6 articles by this user. Most of them were related. The main reason was the lack of citation. The one reference that was provided for the articles barely contained any info. I do agree with you, but at that time I thought A7 was applicable. Sumanch (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A7 is actually a deliberately low bar, lower than "notability", and doesn't even require a reference - the specification says "...does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines." (Mind you, the important word "credible" is in there!) There is useful advice for speedy taggers from an experienced admin at WP:A7M and WP:10CSD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:16, 3 February 2012 (UTC)