User talk:Sundostund/Archive 11

Popular Movement of the Revolution editing
Can you explain why my edits were reverted if i did anything wrong please explain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyhistorian (talk • contribs) 18:56, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Election results tables
You say your election results tables is the one which is widely accepted by whom .The reason i object is like it but i have seen you editing other articles wiht my election tables and you never change that why star now shouldn't wikipedia articles have some consistency  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyhistorian (talk • contribs) 19:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Editing on wikipedia
In you message you said you would revert my edits on other articles how is that fair.How would you feel if i removed your edits or your work from wikipedia how is that fair whats the point of contributing if other people just delete your stuff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyhistorian (talk • contribs) 20:57, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Your opinion - List of Serbs?
I would like to hear your opinion on this matter - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Serbians

Thank you.

Mm.srb (talk) 04:29, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Krsta Cicvarić
Hey, care to take a look at an article I expanded on Krsta Cicvarić?

I saw you editing Nicola Bombacci and thought you might find this person interesting, perhaps expand upon it further?

Regards,

Aleksamil (talk) 13:31, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

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Renaming Proclamation on Recognizing the Golan Heights as Part of the State of Israel to United States recognition of Israel's sovereignty over the Golan Heights
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Proclamation on Recognizing the Golan Heights as Part of the State of Israel. 2600:1700:BBD0:8050:3C78:A0BB:680D:657F (talk) 03:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Removing time in office
why di you remove the duration of office holders from bunch articles what is your explanation

List of Prime Ministers of Lebanon List of Presidents of Lebanon List of Prime Ministers of Syria List of Presidents of Syria thnak god Tlhslobus restored this one what the problem why are you deleting all that stuff i demand an explanation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyhistorian (talk • contribs) 11:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Reverting edits
Come on thats a stupid excuse all articles have time in office uk italy sweden greece germany us cabinet members even african countries no i will put them back they are necessary the point of wikipedia articles is to improve them otherwise i can't do a lot to help wikipedia you going around arbitrarily deleting the few things i can do for no reason it really doesn't help my morale i will restore please don't remove them improve them if you want but please don't delete them

will you respond please

Ahmed Awad Ibn Auf
Hi

He is a member of Bashir's party. --Panam2014 (talk) 22:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

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Divizijski general
Odlično si preveo sa srpske vikipedije. To je to. Snake bgd 18:39, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Operation Caban
Why'd you undo your edits at Operation Caban? Jay D. Easy (t • c) 19:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

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Chief of the General Staff (India) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4052:2119:5116:0:0:7FD:48A4 (talk) 08:29, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

[Chief of the General Staff (India)]] good and you can see the new one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4052:2119:5116:0:0:7FD:48A4 (talk) 08:32, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Wrong photo for Jovan Plamenac
The photo you added to the article Jovan Plamenac in 2015 is actually of the Montenegrin Defense Minister (1879–1905) Ilija Plamenac.

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2409:4052:989:E058:0:0:20E3:30B1
Hi, you may like to review the edits of 2409:4052:989:E058:0:0:20E3:30B1 as I have already reverted several of their edits today that seamed to be mainly to revert to an old version before your edits. They have been blocked for 31 hours for there dubious behaviour. Just thought I'd make you aware. Regards KylieTastic (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thank you very much for reverting some of their edits, but please - next time when something like this happen, you would be more than free to revert all of their edits by yourself, without notifying me. Almost all of such edits are basically nonsense, and you wouldn't make a mistake if you just revert them on the spot. Cheers --Sundostund (talk) 22:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Hey, normally I would have with that type of editor, but I noticed some of the edits appeared to contain possible valid updates (such as links to the latest election) and I didn't have the time yesterday to do much so thought I'd just flag it. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 08:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Only a very small fraction of their edits contain anything useful, so next time just revert all of it. If some edit is particullary useful, I am sure another editor will recognize it eventually, and restore that edit in due time. Cheers --Sundostund (talk) 21:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The editor is, obviously, active again, this time with an account – User:U + 1F4AD. --Sundostund (talk) 15:12, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

List of presidents of Bolivia
Hi Sundostund, I don't created the "Background" section at List of presidents of Bolivia, that section was already there long before I will edit the article, about doing the same with the articles of List of presidents of Peru and List of presidents of Ecuador, I will try but I promise nothing. By the way, call me Oli, I prefer to be called that. Greetings.--Oli (talk) 02:43, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Paraguay
I know that the Paraguayan one needs "Background" with some historical data, same as other lists, but there if I could not add what you mentioned, I didn't find information for the section ofBackground, sorry.--Oli (talk) 04:31, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Happy Dashain!
 Namaste, Sundostund, and Happy Dashain! WikiProject Nepal wishes you a wonderful Dashain filled with joy, love, and happiness. Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great Dashain! Cheers. Message sent by on behalf of WikiProject Nepal. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:07, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sundostund
Hey, is the photo you add to the articles by President of Peru and Martin Vizcarra incorrect? Why does ✉️ say yes, besides, tell me honestly, my English language management is horrible? Because ✉️ says yes, so could you talk to him about these issues please, I would really appreciate it, and I give you my sincerest apologies if you have no idea of everything I have told you.--Oli (talk) 01:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I understand, sorry for bothering you then.--Oli (talk) 02:29, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sundostund
You can tell why you have been undoing all the editions that I made several months ago in the article of List of presidents of the Dominican Republic? the article was pretty good as I left it several months ago, why revert my editions? If there are many characters on that list whose articles will never be created because no one will bother to do that.--Oli (talk) 02:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

About my recent edits
First of all thank you for sending me a message instead of undoing my edits i appreciate it a lot. The reason i did my edits is the tables were too big and i tried to make them more like the tables in the articles List of heads of state of South Africa,List of heads of state of Uganda and List of presidents of Rwanda.

Listen can we make them bigger than they are but smaller than before.Maybe 95 precent.Another reason i made them smaller is was to add Time in office.Do we really need to reverse i agree with making them bigger but i showed other exmaples similiar to my tables

List of presidents of Togo List of prime ministers of Togo List of heads of state of Chad List of prime ministers of Chad List of heads of state of South Africa List of heads of state of Uganda List of presidents of Rwanda.

You want to undo all of them;

What about the other tables are similiar for example List of presidents of Rwanda do we change them too

I don't like your tone "Forceful" i saw the tables and i emulated them why none you fixed them in so many years but when i emulate them you suddenly demand that i fix this.You forcefully did delete Time in office from the liberia president table.Ok listen is your zoom on chrome 150 precent because mine is and maybe this is the reason the tables look bad If thats the issue i will revert them size but time in office will remain ok

Amen brother

Editing
Thank you for your help

Cape Verde
The reason i changed is because consistency these tables are diffrent from the tables of the other countries i urge not to changes also i want to ask you change there are other articles that are scaled to 85 precent to you want to change them also; A third question when you read wikipedia do you zoom be 100 precent or 150 the reason i am asking i because i when i made the tables smaller my zoom was 150 but when my zoom is 100 the tables looked fine and they don't need change thanks for consulting me i wait your answer.

Listen i get you but can't we just keep they way they are. We can't have every article having different tables wikipedia needs some standardization let it go i will even fix the 85 precent lists for you lets keep they way they used to be

If it is for only lists with small number of officeholders then i am ok but otherwise.I have to disagree whenever i have disputes i back down but not on this one again if it is for only lists with small number of officeholders then i am ok

Thanks for the response and your understanding

My recent edits
Can you please undo your edits my changes were made in order to make the lists similiar to other lists of heads of states so please undo your edits

Thanks for the response

File:Brian Robertson (1947).jpg
Please do not backdate deletion tags like you did here. This is extremely inappropriate; I would expect you to know better, so consider yourself warned. - F ASTILY   04:11, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * That was completely unintentional, I just put the wrong date there. I have no reason to try and speed up deletion of images, so if that happens it certainly isn't intentionally. In the end, any of my edits (as well as any other edit of any editor here) can be undone if there's a reason for that. --Sundostund (talk) 04:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing sudan the election column was too wide thank you very match

Sultans of Oman
Hi, you keep removing images of the Sultans of Oman page. Because they are 'non-free'. But, they are already being used on the respective pages of those two sultans. Why is it's supposed non-free status not an issue there? If they can be used there, why not the list too? Vince (talk) 10:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Those images are uploaded to be specifically used at articles about those two sultans. Its not recommendable to use them at some other articles, including the list of sultans. --Sundostund (talk) 15:49, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge
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On officeholder tables
Listen my only demand are that the table is in that order: |   Name     |           Term of office                      | No.|Portrait|(Birth–Death)|Election|Took office|Left office|Time in office|

do you agree on terms yes or no i need a straight answer also i removed part of your  message because i can't differentiate your messages and Skjoldbro i will  delete the section in my talk page and rename it officeholder tables if there is further discussion

1979–80 Shia uprising in Iraq
Hi, due to your interest in Middle Eastern history, you are welcome to contribute to the newly created 1979–80 Shia uprising in Iraq article.GreyShark (dibra) 12:40, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello! Thank you very much for your invitation. I will change something in that article if I find it necessary. Same applies to all articles related to the Middle East in general. Cheers! --Sundostund (talk) 14:34, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

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2020 Serbian parliamentary election
Hello Sundostund. Funnily enough I was actually planning to send you a message yesterday about this article with a query about which parties were actually boycotting it, as none of the boycotting stuff in the article is actually sourced. Currently we only have the SzS coalition and Civic Platform in the infobox (i.e. parties currently with seats) as boycotting – is this correct? Also, the infobox is six seats short of the total of 250 – do you know what partie(s) or independents hold the other six seats? Cheers, Number   5  7  12:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As it currently stands, pretty much only the SzS coalition is "firm" on the boycott issue (with rumors that some individual parties in the coalition are actually reconsidering that stance)... As for the missing six seats, they are occupied by independent MPs, former members of several different parties and coalitions. In that regard, Serbian politics can be very chaotic at times. --Sundostund (talk) 00:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ha, it certainly seems so. Thanks for the response! Number   5  7  08:39, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for asking me for input... Actually, I planned to message you and ask for help on 2020 Vojvodina provincial election, which I created some days ago. I would appreciate if you somehow can improve that article, its infobox and make other changes you see as necessary. --Sundostund (talk) 01:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Favour
A favour to ask in return. I'm trying to create a list of the first female MPs from each country. My guess is that in the case of most of the former Yugoslavian countries, the first women would have been elected in the 1945 Yugoslavian parliamentary election, in which 11 women were elected to the Federal Assembly and nine became members of the Assembly of Nations (was this directly elected or indirectly elected by the parliaments of the constituent republics?). However, I have not been able to find a list of those elected. Is there any chance you know where I can find a list of those elected, and which republic they represented? Cheers, Number   5  7  20:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, women in Yugoslavia were granted the right to vote in 1945, so your assumption about women being elected in the 1945 election is right. As far as I know, upper houses (including the Assembly of Nations) of post-1945 Yugoslav parliaments were almost always indirectly elected by the parliaments of the constituent republics... As for the list of female MPs elected in 1945, I really thought about where their names could be listed, but I really don't know, as of now. My best guess is that, somewhere online, must exist a full list of MPs (male and female)... I'll keep surfing online, and if I find some credible source about it, I will notify you for sure. --Sundostund (talk) 23:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Super, thanks! Number   5  7  08:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

DYK for 1978 Somali coup d'état attempt
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About the "Numero" symbol (№)
sorry i did not know it was forbidden i will change it i saw it in List of prime ministers of Czechoslovakia and i thought it was ok again i am sorry

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updation of article
Hi. Please update wikipedia article "List of Prime Ministers of Lebanon". because Prime Minister Hassan Diab has resigned. Syed Zain Ul Abideen Bukhari (talk) 15:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

List of prime ministers, etc.
If you notice this range resuming disruptive editing after a month, feeling free to leave a note on my talk page and I'll reblock for a longer duration. OhNo itsJamie Talk 22:15, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I most certainly will notify you if needed... Also, as it seems to me, that range is closely connected to User:李瞬生. Their edit patterns are pretty much the same. Maybe you want to look more closely into that. — Sundostund (talk) 02:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I have to admit that I'm not exactly clear on what the issue is with the changes they are making. Are some good and some bad? For example, this edit fixes a couple of MOS issues and at least one spelling mistake, and shuffles things around a bit. This edit, on the other hand, makes the list more confusing (addition of unsourced "acting" PMs in table, etc). I blocked that IP range because it appeared that a number of editors were reverting those additions. OhNo itsJamie Talk 02:32, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I am not sure at all what they try to achieve with most of their edits. IMHO, most of it is disruptive editing, naturally with some exceptions... I really wanted to notify you about that editor and let you decide on further actions, since it doesn't make much sense to me to block a range and then leave unblocked an account which clearly use that range. They obviously share the same edit pattern. — Sundostund (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Czechoslovakian presidency
You mentioned the office of president was de facto abolished on 20 July 1992 but that was only the resignation of Havel. (See here for the source we use at Václav Havel: NYTimes link.) I can't find any sources saying that the office was already abolished as opposed to 1 January 1993. Altanner1991 (talk) 13:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


 * After the resignation of Havel, the presidency remained vacant for the remainder of the country's existence, so yes – it was de facto abolished with Havel's departure. No new President was named after Havel, so I see no point in extending the period in question until January 1993. — Sundostund (talk) 18:14, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's original research; the correct date is 1 January 1993. Altanner1991 (talk) 18:19, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree. IMHO, we sometime should use logic in editing Wikipedia, instead of just jumping to declare it as original research. Still, I find this issue too much trivial to dwell into it for much longer, so if its so important to you, feel free to modify dates in question at List of presidents of Czechoslovakia and List of prime ministers of Czechoslovakia. — Sundostund (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your flexibility; I will leave it alone because it is a controversial issue. Best, Altanner1991 (talk) 18:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Sincerely advise
Are you a wiki vampire? Why are you so keen on imposing your own opinions and ignoring others?

--李瞬生 (talk) 11:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


 * If I am on your place, I would try to use some of advises you received here (which you promptly deleted from your talk page), instead of advising others... As for myself, I am doing here what I think is best since 2010, and I plan to continue doing so. As always – with collaboration and consensus with other editors who are here to improve things, instead of engaging in disruptive editing and similar activities. Everything best to you, — Sundostund (talk) 21:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)


 * You seem to like meaningless editing of items. Do you like to find fault? Just as you arbitrarily delete Emmanuel III from the list of Ethiopian monarchs, it is a move that ignores basic historical facts.--李瞬生 (talk) 李瞬生 (talk) 10:38, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I seem to have my own interests in editing here, and I am sticking to those interests. Whether other editors find them as important or meaningless, its totally up to them. As for the Ethiopian article, when you look at its revision history, its more than obvious that I am not the only editor who removed Victor Emmanuel III and the whole Italian occupation from that list. For the matter of truth, I was the one who reverted that removal (and not just once) because it seemed logical to me to have the 1936–1941 period as part of that list. When I gave more thought to it, I find it ludicrous to have a period of foreign occupation included there, especially when its widely accepted that Haile Selassie was the only legitimate Emperor from 1930 until 1974, without interruption. Again, everything best to you, — Sundostund (talk) 03:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Commander
Hey, I have tried to make a page for the Commander of the Yugoslav Navy, but I'm not really an expert on the subject and can't find many sources. Maybe you can have a look at it, if you have the time. Skjoldbro (talk) 13:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I think that you did a great job on it so far (as you generally do on your articles). I am not quite an expert on that subject as well, but I can have a look at it at some point in time... I think its possible that you'll have a better luck at sources if you decide to create Commander of the Yugoslav Air Force; I think that subject is somewhat better covered than the Navy. — Sundostund (talk) 17:16, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Template:Commanders of the Iranian Armed Forces
Hi. I think merging Template:Chiefs-of-Staff of the Iranian Army and Template:Commanders-in-Chief of the Iranian Army to that template added by Commanders-in-Chief and Chiefs of the General Staff is not a good idea, because it is against what Categories, lists, and navigation templates says. Templates should include coherent and consistent subjects, not mixing up irrelevant things to mislead readers. "Commanders of the Iranian Armed Forces" is an ambiguous and generic title. I assume the difference between a commander-in-chief –the country's head of state–or a strategic-level commander (e.g. Chiefs of the General Staff) is pretty obvious. In case you are not familiar with the roles, they are different levels of leadership, the first is only involved in political leadership, the second is responsible for strategic affairs and does not engage in responsibilities such as in-the-field commanding of the troops, while the third does:


 * Commander-in-Chief
 * Chief of the General Staff
 * Commander of the Army

Even Chiefs-of-Staff and Commanders-in-Chief of the Iranian Army are different roles with different responsibilities. Please revert your changes and let the templates be separate from each other. Pahlevun (talk) 13:41, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * When I created that template, it seemed perfectly natural to me to merge the various levels of command of the Iranian military in the same place. Nothing in it seems to me as "mixing up irrelevant things to mislead readers", on the contrary – my intention was to make the subject more presentable and easier to navigate, instead of having it separated in several different templates. I am still of the same opinion, and really have no intention or desire to split the templates once more. I am sorry because you disagree, but when I did it, it really seemed as a perfectly logical decision to me. — Sundostund (talk) 14:08, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It may be easier to navigate, but it is ambiguous and misleading, which is against the criteria "All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject" at templates guidline. Templates are not meant to mix up irrelevant things. No such template exists for other countries on Wikipedia. Moreover, you have made this change to tens of articles without discussion. Pahlevun (talk) 14:13, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see it as ambiguous and misleading, since all of it covers the same or very similar subject (Iranian command structure), instead of merging irrelevant things. I am sorry, I just don't see this issue in the same way as you. — Sundostund (talk) 14:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You had not started a discussion for this huge change in this long-standing content. With all due respect, I am going to revert you. Build a consensus for your proposed changes. Pahlevun (talk) 14:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * My proposal would be for you to edit the template, and remove form there what you see as unacceptable, instead of just revert everything... When I created that template, it didn't even remotely occur to me that somebody might be so much opposed to it. I did it with the best possible intention, and if others here see it as something so much negative, like you do, they are more than free to get rid of it. This place is founded on consensus, and I have no problem with that. — Sundostund (talk) 14:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I really don't suspect your good intentions. What you did is like putting Donald Trump, Joseph Dunford and Charles Q. Brown Jr. in a Template:Commanders of the United States Armed Forces. It doesn't work like that simply because they hold different offices with different responsibilities, and they are not a single, coherent subject for one template. The Iranian Armed Forces had undergone drastic structure changes since 1906, which this template tends to cover: Literally no "Armed Forces" existed before 1925, and after 1979, Iran has developed a new military formation parallel to its original military (the IRGC) with more recent changes made in 1989 and 1998. This template blends all the boundaries between these offices. Pahlevun (talk) 15:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If that is the case, my idea is to separate the commanders-in-chief to a separate template, and leave only the professional officers (de facto heads of the military) in the template that I created, as well as chiefs of the General Staff. That may address the issues you are concerned about. — Sundostund (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

I picked some templates up. Based on Template:US Army Chiefs of Staff, we can create something like this:

The result is a merger of Template:Chiefs-of-Staff of the Iranian Army and Template:Commanders-in-Chief of the Iranian Army. The title is no longer ambiguous, and though the offices are not the same, there's a slight coherency. I'd say the position is in no way akin to Chief of General Staff, which is a new formation created in 1989 and leads both Artesh and the IRGC. Pahlevun (talk) 18:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I am sorry for responding as late as this to your message, I had to deal with a family emergency yesterday. Secondly, your proposed template seem very satisfactory to me, and is more than good basis for solving this issue. I always believed that Chiefs-of-Staff and Commanders-in-Chief should be merged in the same template; that was one reason why I created the disputed template (the subject of this discussion). Basically, my intention was to create an Artesh equivalent to the existing Sepah template – Template:IRGC commanders, and merge the commanders of Artesh in the same (or similar) way. I think that template should be an example how we can create an unified template for the regular military... As I said, the template you proposed here is a good way forward, and I think, in that case, that separate templates should exist for Commanders in Chief (heads of state) and Chiefs of the General Staff. — Sundostund (talk) 12:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, I hope you and your family are safe and sound. It seems that this is regular in templates, Template:Chief of the General Staff and Template:First Sea Lord are other examples. I am happy that you agree on this. Pahlevun (talk) 13:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, we are fine. Thank you a lot for your concern! From my perspective, beside your proposed template, we really can have separate templates for Commanders in Chief (heads of state) and Chiefs of the General Staff, but we should try to follow the example of Sepah (Template:IRGC commanders), and find a way to expand the template which you proposed. — Sundostund (talk) 13:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * A new template that could be used, is this:

It is based on Template:Leadership of the NZDF. I didn't get your suggestion, is it merging Template:Commanders of the Iranian Army's Air Force, Template:Commanders of the Iranian Navy, Template:Commanders of the Iranian Army's Air Defense Force and Template:Commanders of the Iranian Army's Ground Forces into one? Pahlevun (talk) 14:56, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well yes, my idea is to base the new template on Template:IRGC commanders, which would mean merging the commanders of separate military branches and overall commanders of the armed forces (Chiefs-of-Staff and Commanders-in-Chief) into one template, as well as having two additional templates for Commanders in Chief (heads of state) and Chiefs of the General Staff. The IRGC template is, pretty much, a good example of what I tried to do by creating this disputed template. — Sundostund (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That would make a very gigantic template because unlike the IRGC, Artesh has had many commanders since 1925. It seems for other countries each office has a separate template, for example: India (Template:Chief of the Naval Staff (India), Template:Chief of the Army Staff (India), Template:Chief of the Air Staff (India)), Germany (Template:Inspectors of the German Army, Template:Inspectors of the German Air Force, Template:Inspector of the Navy), Canada (Template:Commander of the Canadian Army, Template:Commander of the Royal Canadian Air Force, Template:Commander of the Royal Canadian Navy). Pahlevun (talk) 16:06, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That is a valid point; then we should focus at merging overall commanders of the armed forces (Chiefs-of-Staff and Commanders-in-Chief) into one template, a model of which you already proposed, and creating two separate templates for Commanders in Chief (heads of state) and Chiefs of the General Staff. — Sundostund (talk) 16:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As you may see, now we have three separate templates: Template:Commanders-in-Chief of the Iranian Armed Forces, Template:Commanders of the Iranian Army and Template:Chiefs of the Iranian General Staff. I hope that you find them satisfactory, as they address concerns you expressed here. — Sundostund (talk) 04:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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