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Help with Research!
Dear Sundostund,

I am writing a research paper on the history of Libyan political personnel and came across a wiki article you contributed to, which I translated from Arabic to English using google. The article is entitled “General People’s Committee” and can be accessed as follows: http://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/اللجنة_الشعبية_العامة This article is exactly what I’m looking for, but there is a historical hole from 1990 – 2006. Do you have any idea why these dates are missing from the article? Do you have any information on this topic pertaining to 1990 – 2006 or know of any other sources I can consult to find the missing information? I have to submit my paper to my professor by Monday morning, so if you could prove any help at all, I would truly appreciate it! Please feel free to contact me directly via e-mail at agreen789@yahoo.com.

Thank you in advance for your time and hope to hear from you soon!

Sincerely, Ann Green --AGreen789 (talk) 20:14, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Helle Thorning-Schmidt
Please don't change the photo again. Thanks. Carstensen (talk) 22:28, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

You have performed vandalism on the Helle Thorning-Schmidt article multiple times today and multiple times over the past few days. If you repeat your vandalism, I will have to report you. Carstensen (talk) 02:55, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

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General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea
Why did you restore the obviously false claim that Kim Il-sung became general secretary of the Communist Party at the age of 13? In fact, he was never the party's general secretary and only took a position of leadership when he was appointed by the Soviets after World War IL. Vale of Glamorgan (talk) 20:36, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Claudine of Monaco
People keep adding the image Portrait of a Young Fiancée attributed to Leonardo as if it were a portrait of Claudine. It was used as a substitute for Claudine in an article on Monaco, but it has nothing to do with the Grimaldis and is probably a portrait of Bianca Sforza. I have removed it from Claudine, Lady of Monaco and List of rulers of Monaco -- Elphion (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Edits
Why do you keep reverting to the old version without any explanation? The colored background impede the readers' ability to read the text. The new version is better. -- ◅PRODUCER  ( TALK ) 13:40, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not agree with that whatsoever. The colored background does not impede the readers' ability to read the text. The new version isn't better in any way. -- Sundostund (talk) 13:43, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You have countless lists on WP edited in the same way as my versions of this lists. -- Sundostund (talk) 13:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. There is absolutely no point in filling every box of the incumbents' information with their party color. The simplistic approach which you repeatedly revert without any explanation whatsoever is better and is also used in other articles including List of Presidents of Senegal for example. I sense a feeling of WP:OWN here. -- ◅PRODUCER  ( TALK ) 13:48, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it isn't. As I said, countless lists on WP are edited in the same way. You have no right to make such big remodeling without consent of other users. As for WP:OWN, only thing I own on Wiki is my user page. -- Sundostund (talk) 13:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In fact, you behave like you own these pages by unilaterally reshaping them. -- Sundostund (talk) 13:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just look how colors looks at List of Prime Ministers of Spain. -- Sundostund (talk) 14:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That does not make them correct or better and given that you're active in these type of articles it could be attributed to you and it does not necessarily represent a consensus. I have also noted you've "colorized" the List of German presidents article which was perfectly fine the way it was before . As for the Prime Ministers of Spain example it looks incredibly distracting. Your statement of needing "consent" is very typical of those who exhibit owning behavior. -- ◅PRODUCER  ( TALK ) 14:04, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Its not distracting in any way. Mine version of this lists looks much better and its much wider accepted on WP than yours. Its the case on List of German presidents, List of Prime Ministers of Spain and many more. We have disagreement on this, but I hope that wouldn't lead to an edit war. You absolutely need consent of other editors if you want to make constructive edits here. You can't fly solo on WP. -- Sundostund (talk) 14:12, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, look List of Prime Ministers of Italy, President of Paraguay, President of Moldova, Prime Minister of Moldova etc. -- Sundostund (talk) 14:21, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's that case because you changed them and, again, simply because others do it "that way" does not mean it is better. Take a look at the List of Chancellors of Germany article. The color of the party is represented on the left side (although some boxes are admittedly a bit thin), it's subtle and gets the job done. It's much easier to read and it does not hit the user with a rainbow of colors. -- ◅PRODUCER  ( TALK ) 14:36, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't changed them, so it's not an argument for me to say its better, others did it that way and I agree with them. Its widely accepted style on WP. Anyone who is literate can read on that version, colors aren't any obstacle. Your version of list is only sometime used on WP (as in case of List of Chancellors of Germany). Does it mean its better because you changed it, or because you agree with others work? No. That style is very rarely used here, just accept that fact. -- Sundostund (talk) 14:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

You're very active in these types of articles and have "colorized" some of them yourself (see List of German Presidents example above). So what if one style may be more popular than the other? Even if that is the case that does nothing to prove which is better. A lot of articles also use this style including List of Prime Ministers of Pakistan, Prime Minister of Yugoslavia, List of Presidents of Croatia, Prime Minister of Slovakia, and others. Your style does nothing to make the article more informative just more decorative. -- ◅PRODUCER  ( TALK ) 15:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm very active in these types of articles because I'm interested in them (and in politics as a whole), and I make all sort of changes to them (including "colorizing" some of them myself). I see nothing wrong in that. You said: So what if one style may be more popular than the other? If you say that, than I'll say this: So what if you like much less popular style? You think that you can impose it by edit warring? I don't think so. Is there anything which can prove your style is better or more informative? Nothing, I say. Your style just make articles more decorative (according to your opinion). You listed your versions of preferred articles, I listed mine. -- Sundostund (talk) 19:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to list some more of mine preferred articles, in random order: List of Presidents of Indonesia, List of Presidents of Italy, List of presidents of the Russian Federation, List of heads of government of Russia, President of South Africa, Prime Minister of South Africa, List of Prime Ministers of Romania, List of Prime Ministers of Bulgaria, List of Presidents of Turkey, List of Prime Ministers of Turkey, List of Prime Ministers of Malta, List of Prime Ministers of Denmark, List of heads of government of Norway, List of Presidents of Finland, List of Prime Ministers of Finland, List of heads of state of Mexico, List of Presidents of Brazil and many, many more. -- Sundostund (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You can stop wasting your time listing articles as they prove nothing. I stated your style is done fore decorative purposes not mine - do not twist my words around. You are the one that has failed to provide any reasoning as to why the articles should be "colorized" and you are the one who wishes to push it in by edit warring. -- ◅PRODUCER  ( TALK ) 20:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll stop listing, I see it hurts you to see amount of articles which are edited in "my way". If you read carefully, you'll see that I too stated that "your" style have decorative purposes only, nothing else. It doesn't expand our knowledge here in any way. There's nothing which can prove your style is better or more informative. Next, you stated: So what if one style may be more popular than the other? Well, because of this: Its more popular style because majority of users recognize it as more suitable for lists of heads of states and governments. Next, you're the one who wishes to push in your much less popular and much less used style by edit warring. You must have consent of other users and collaborate with them if you want to have any future as an editor here. -- Sundostund (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, please tell me do you plan to push this essentially silly thing for much longer, because I have some plans for tonight. Some of us have a real life, you know? :)) -- Sundostund (talk) 20:21, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Beside that, I'm sure you waste your time here; you need to go to "fight" in discussion about chetniks, ustase, collaborators, partisans etc. I saw its your favorite activity here on WP. -- Sundostund (talk) 20:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll create a post at WikiProject Politics asking for the input of other users as we are obviously getting nowhere. I'm familiar with Wikipedia's policies as I've been here since 2008 so enough of the lecturing. Lacking your "consent" does not give you the power to rule over the articles nor the right to act in this condescending attitude. -- ◅PRODUCER  ( TALK ) 20:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * As you wish. I'm not familiar with it, because I never had a reason to asking for the input of other users, especially not because of a color style dispute. If you want to do that because of these 4 lists and color style on them, instead to find some solution by ourselves, ok. -- Sundostund (talk) 20:38, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Joyce Banda
Banda was sworn in as President of Malawi, not Acting President. GoodDay (talk) 21:27, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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List of Somali presidents.
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Warning + notes on WP:SPLITTING
In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you.

Please note that WP:SPLIT specifically instructs users to seek consensus if their WP:BOLD splits are opposed. You are currently edit-warring over a half-dozen articles to introduce opposed article splits. You were bold, and you were reverted - now discuss. I'd like it if I didn't have to write more reports today: please revert yourself and seek consensus. I assure you that's the only way your changes will remain. -- Director  ( talk )  12:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As you said yourself, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. I did nothing in a disruptive way here, I try to contribute to certain articles. Next, as you can see, I'm not engaged in a edit war, I know very well that WP:SPLIT specifically instructs users to seek consensus if their WP:BOLD splits are opposed. --Sundostund (talk) 12:57, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Politics of Rhodesia template
I'm not sure this is really necessary. We have the Rhodesian topics navigation box at the bottom of the page and it has all the links present in this template. On my screen, the Politics of Rhodesia template here creates a vast amount of whitespace between the list of parties and the list of prime ministers, and it really doesn't look good. What do you think? —Cliftonian (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I really think we should keep in its place. That political template (as all other similar templates) was made to be part of major articles about a country's politics, and Prime Minister of Rhodesia really is such an article. I strongly prefer to keep it. I don't think that amount of whitespace between the list of parties and the list of prime ministers doesn't look good, but if you want we can remove the list of parties? Then the space will be much lesser. By the way, sorry because I earlier removed your improvements to the article, it was really unintentional. Cheers!--Sundostund (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, if we remove the list of parties then the space will be more on my screen... I think a better solution might be for us to add more prose to the article. I will look into this at some point. Thanks for the reply, well done on the work on the page, and don't worry about reverting my additions, I had a feeling it wasn't on purpose. —Cliftonian (talk) 22:59, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I prefer any solution, except removing the template. If you want, we can add more prose to to the article, I agree with that. I also support removing the list of parties, if you find at some point that its appropriate thing to do. I'm glad that you like my work on the page! I must say it took quite a time today to do all that work. I used the Prime Minister of South Africa article as a model for what I wanted to do here, and I think it turned out quite well. I really had no intention to revert your additions, so I'm glad that you didn't make an impression that I did it on purpose. --Sundostund (talk) 23:13, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it is starting to look very good now. I look forward to working with you more in future. Well done! —Cliftonian (talk)</b></b> 23:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I really appreciate that. --Sundostund (talk) 23:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

List of German Presidents
Your opinion is sought here. BartBassist (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Done. BartBassist (talk) 14:59, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

List of Pakistani Presidents and Prime Ministers
I have edited the list of presidents & prime ministers of Pakistan on these articles: Kindly verify them before deleting any content from these articles. I have already verified them. --Plutonics (talk) 12:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC) Please do not edit these pages, you are deleting important facts. Stop attacking these pages, or i will report you. --Plutonics (talk) 07:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * List of Presidents of Pakistan
 * List of Prime Ministers of Pakistan

Capitalization of "present"
Please stop trying to capitalize "present" in the section title "List of Presidents of Egypt (1953–present)" of List of Presidents of Egypt. According to MOS:HEAD, capitalization should be in sentence format, not title format, so only the first word in a header needs to be capitalized. Furthermore, the formatting "####–present" with a lowercase-p is universal throughout Wikipedia. Trinitresque (talk) 15:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You have made this same edit three times (,, and ) without giving any reason whatsoever anywhere even as I explained here and elsewhere that it contravenes the manual of style. Continuation of this activity will be viewed as disruptive editing. Trinitresque (talk) 13:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization of "president"
See Talk:List of Federal Presidents of Austria. Dicklyon (talk) 05:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Please also see here, and  here. LittleBen (talk) 07:58, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

S, your insistence on capitalization of Prime Minister at List of Prime Ministers of the Czech Republic is particularly puzzling. Even if you ignore WP:CAPS and prefer the look of caps in titles, how do you justify all the caps within the article, which are not supported by sources and explicitly contradict WP:JOBTITLES? Dicklyon (talk) 15:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Speakers of the Croatian Sabor

 * I have noticed that you have removed the pre-independence speakers of the Croatian Sabor. I wonder why? I demand an explanation. I guess they are of great interest for the viewers. Mbakkel2 21:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've been pinged on my talk page about this and also notice that Mbakkel added a question about it to the talk page for the article (which is the more appropriate place to discuss this). A response would be valued by Mbakkel for sure! Thanks everyone for contributing to Wikipedia. SarahStierch (talk) 20:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Odd edits
I'm slightly bemused by some of your edits at O le Ao o le Malo. This appears to be a blind revert of my previous edit which fixed the width issue you'd introduced into the table. Why did you do that? There is then a series of edits in which you just change the width percentage. Just curious as to why you aren't using the show preview button? It took 12 edits just to make these changes, which strikes me as a little odd. Number  5  7  11:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:ARBMAC enforcement block
You have been blocked for disruption related to an article subject to WP:ARBMAC. You have engaged in an edit war at List of Presidents of Serbia. Toddst1 (talk) 22:02, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * FYI: this is likely to be procedurally declined due to the fact that you're blocked on Arbitration Remedy grounds. As such there has to be a community discussion about it.  Please add the  template so that the discussion can get started.  Thank you Hasteur (talk) 13:51, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I did something wrong when declining the unblock. Feel free to fix it yourself if you know how; I'm going to ask for help at the Help Desk, so you can expect someone else to fix the code before long.  Nyttend (talk) 17:31, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Sundostund
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 * Appealing user : – Sundostund (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sanction being appealed : Banned from editing for 1 week, for edit warring and breaching WP:ARBMAC rules


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Statement by Sundostund
I am completely aware that I made a mistake when I entered an edit war yesterday. I also know that I am blocked because I breached WP:ARBMAC rules. I completely recognize my guilt here. All of that was very stupid thing to do, and I promise that I will not continue to do that. If you look my edit history, you will see that I am not a vandal, but constructive member of this community, and that I only want to improve this encyclopedia. I just want an opportunity to continue my work here. Cheers! --Sundostund (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Result of the appeal by Sundostund

 * This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I've proxied this to WP:AN and would be happy to continue copying over your comments as necessary. Hasteur (talk) 16:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Unblocked
I've unblocked this account with the blocking admin's consent. Please keep WP:EW in mind in your future editing. T. Canens (talk) 17:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Please quit revert warring at. You should know better right after you’ve been blocked.—Emil J. 12:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)