User talk:Suntag/Archive 1

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Emile Lessore
I think you are misunderstanding how to use the cite book template. The usual way to use it is in-line with the article text (as per one of my recent edits to the above), enclosing it in ref tags. That tells the reflist template to include it in the numbered references. Then there is no need for a separate References section listing the book again (which is what happens when you use cite book in that section. Happy to help further. – ukexpat (talk) 17:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi ukexpat. To be honest, the whole citation thing is confusing. I read through Wikipedia:Citing sources and am trying to do it correctly. That page leads to a bunch of "main articles" which also lead elsewhere. Thank's for letting me know about the cite book. Please fix it so that I may see how I can do it in the future. Thanks. Suntag (talk) 17:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, I know from experience how daunting and confusing it can be, but at least you are providing sources which is something that 99% of new editors seem to forget about! Give me a few minutes and I will fix. – ukexpat (talk) 18:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK fixed! – ukexpat (talk) 18:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Thanks. The links you provided above seem to have some good information as well. Suntag (talk) 18:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

RJC
You can find out more here. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 11:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * All that information was originally in the article, but removed to the history as not being encyclopedic, but it was more interesting reading. Because the article is about me, I have recused myself from editing it. I have been waiting for someone to come forward and find a way to re-work the information. The discussion page of the article has loads of info. Someone else has commented on your reply to me. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 19:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Ray. I would be happy to re-work the information. However, without the original news articles and other source material, there isn't much I can do. I hope things work out. Suntag (talk) 19:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If you want, you can e-mail me through Wikipedia with your personal e-mail address and I would send you scans of the copyright newspaper references in the article. Thanks. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 19:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * What the heck? E-mail ray032@sympatico.ca DoDaCanaDa (talk) 19:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Ray. I just got an answer from the Help Desk which said that reproduction of the news articles for research purposes is probably fair use. I'll send you an email. Suntag (talk) 02:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know how this happens, but if you Google the subject name, your talk page comes up. DoDaCanaDa (talk) 09:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for those references Suntag! I'll have a go at expanding the article tomorrow. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hail Satan
Ah thanks so much for the help with this article- I find reference templates so difficult to format, and the citebooks so long-winded. You're a gem. All help appreciated!:) Sticky Parkin 21:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I did a few and then thought, this sucks! Lol. It's easier if you fill in the reference templates before using material in the article. There's a few remining cites that need fixing in the article. I'll see if I can fix them. Suntag (talk) 18:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

well done!
Well done tou two Victuallers (talk) 11:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

re:cite web
Thanks for reinstating it!

JPINFV (talk) 04:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Cite Journal
Thanks for the heads up! I actually think cite journal, etc. is useful as a search term, and as a shortcut, but I don't have strong feeling about it. lk (talk) 07:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Cite book
Dear Suntag,

Thank You very much for Your message.

If I cite sources with the cite book template, I usually use these parameters: .

I agree with the deletion of pages field with full heart, because the page number of the citation must be modularized off from the bibliographical data, thus promoting reuse when several loci are cited from the same book. Wikipedia's guidelines describe this technique as Shortened notes + maintaining standalone "Notes" and "References" sections.

I admit that my obligatory usage of ref is my personal habit: it enables wikilinks to full references. I usually use fields authorlink and isbn, but I can accept if somebody finds their rank as "commonly used" be debatable.

In Hungary, location</tt> is almost always provided for bibliographical data, I do not know the English conventions.

I always keep the spaces before bars in attribute-value style parametrized templates. The best solution for the debate would be introducing a tlx-like metatemplate that would be capable of rendering even attribute-value style parameter lists. Then the typesetting questions could be modularized off from the logical representation.

Best wishes, I wish You much pleasure in Wikipedia,

Physis (talk) 09:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Catacombs (band)
Well, I spent all night gathering links and references, so current situation should be a bit different... Nameless Undead (talk) 21:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Conning tower
Thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look! Jll (talk) 22:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Modularizing off locus specification from bibliographical data
Dear Suntag,

Thank You for Your message.

Modularization is my analogy from the software development to a decomopsition. If several loci are cited from the same book, then we are forced to repeat the bibliographical data of the same book as many times as many loci are cited:

Techniques like "ibid.", "idem" are not scalable enough, they are fragile: if there are huge number of citations, and the order of citations is profoundly rearranged, then it can be easily confused. That's why it is better to maintain two sections in the appendix for naming the references. One for the loci, the other for the bibliographical data:
 * Notes
 * Merkur 1985: 4
 * Merkur 1985: 25
 * Kleivan & Sonne 1985: 3
 * Merkur 1985: 81
 * References

The technique is described in both as shortened footnotes, one of the several proposed ways in Wikipedia's guideline for references.

I use that in "my" articles, for example Sireniki Eskimos, Shamanism among Eskimo peoples. Sometimes I cite dozens of different loci from the same book, than it seems for me the most satisfactory solution.

Is it boring to search for the corresponding short notes and bibliographical records? That's what <tt>ref</tt> field is good for: providing wikilinks from short notes to their corresponding full references:
 * Notes
 * Merkur 1985: 4
 * Merkur 1985: 25
 * Kleivan & Sonne 1985: 3
 * Merkur 1985: 81
 * References

I use thatin "my" newest articles like Gödel numbering for sequences, Marind-anim.

Thank You for explaining the conventions. In Hungary, publishers rarely move, their location is usually given.

Unfortunatelly, I cannot make templates, I do not know the technique at all. Metatemplates are also very new to me, I have just discovered thir mere existence the day before yesterday. I have already done many promises for the next weeks (writing a general, primary topic article about bootstrapping (recently there is only a disambiguation page on bootstrapping).

Best wishes,

Physis (talk) 06:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Now you did it...
... you threw me a challenge that I couldn't resist. Albino channel catfish, anybody? I'll leave it to you if albino squirrel is worth a redirect. My work computer rejects cookies; so I cannot start any articles here, but at least I can "weed out" a few redirects. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Sandbox archive
Please take a look at Sandbox/Archive2 as your protection of the page didn't seem to work. Thanks. -- Suntag (talk) 19:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you mean? - Random832 (contribs) 19:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Here you wrote "Changed protection level for "Wikipedia:Sandbox/Archive2": this is not the sandbox anymore. [edit=sysop:move=sysop])". The very next edit changed what you posted and used the edit summary "(I'm baaaaaaack ...)". I'm not sure what the point of this page is and the edit summary "(I'm baaaaaaack ...)" seemed odd, so I assumed that the last change to the page was odd as well. Suntag (talk) 19:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Graham87 is an administrator. The edit itself was adding a historical tag to the page. The page itself is older history from the sandbox - the original idea was to do this periodically so that the history of the "live" sandbox would not grow too large to be deleted. --Random832 (contribs) 20:00, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. Happy editing! Suntag (talk) 20:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:Template sandbox notice
Hi Conrad. ... Suntag (talk) 17:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

See Template talk:Template sandbox notice – Conrad T. Pino (talk) 02:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Please don't damage our sandboxes

 * This discussion has now been copied/moved to Template talk:Template sandbox notice, please put any further comments there. --David Göthberg (talk) 12:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to leave a cranky message here since I know you only meant well, but I have just spent an hour cleaning up after your recent edits to template sandboxes that are on my watchlist.

You added sandbox notices to them that caused several problems:

1: They caused newlines thus breaking the examples.

2: They added code on top of the test templates that doesn't belong there, which makes it much more error prone when we cut and paste the template code into the actual deployed high-risk templates.

I had to fix the newlines you caused and then go around purging the pages that use the sandbox examples. And I removed your sandbox code from the sandboxes of the high-risk templates due to reason 2 above. Those sandboxes already have a clear statement below the test template that they are sandboxes.

So please don't add newlines when you add sandbox notices, and please don't add sandbox notices at all to high-risk templates' sandboxes, and please don't add sandbox notices to sandboxes who already clearly states they are sandboxes.

I only fixed the cases that are on my watchlist. I suggest you check and fix the newlines in the rest of the sandbox edits you have been doing. And don't forget to then purge the pages that use those sandbox examples, or people will think they are broken and spend time trying to fix them.

--David Göthberg (talk) 06:33, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi David. Your message was not cranky and sorry for any problems I caused. I thought the "noinclude" would prevent my addition from affecting the sandbox. Template:Template sandbox notice instructs to add the template to the top of the sandbox page with the code below. All the pages I added Template:Template sandbox notice were not categorized in Category:Template sandboxes. If you can, please add Category:Template sandboxes to those high-risk templates from which you removed the sandbox code. I'll look over the sandbox pages that I edited. Thanks for the notice. I won't add any more Template sandbox notices.  Suntag (talk) 06:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

As I explained above adding the sandbox notice causes two problems. Look at these two code examples:

Lots of template code.

Perhaps a sandbox explanation or test examples.

Lots of template code.

Perhaps a sandbox explanation or test examples.

The first example above causes a newline before the template code. That has big effects on how the template renders in its test examples.

The second example in theory has no negative effects. But once the code is working and a human copies and pastes the code into the actual deployed template it gets tricky. Since then the human must select exactly after the ">" character at the end of the first "&lt;/noinclude>" and until the start or end of the second "&lt;noinclude>". That is tricky and error prone and every now and then it results in that faulty code gets copied and pasted into widely used templates.

That is why many of us now code our sandboxes like this:

Lots of template code.

Perhaps a sandbox explanation or test examples.

Since that means we can copy and paste whole lines. That is, from the very start of the page until and including the whole line with the first "&lt;noinclude>" tag. (Since we usually want that noinclude in the deployed template.) That reduces the human errors a lot.

And regarding Category:Template sandboxes. I don't see why we should need to categorise our test pages? That is just too much bureaucracy.

Oh, and by the way, I like your username! It gives me several nice associations. :))

Oh, and one more thing: Would it be okay with you if we move or copy this discussion to Template talk:Template sandbox notice? I think this discussion can be interesting for others, even in the future.

--David Göthberg (talk) 07:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi again, David. I'll go through my posts and move all my posts to the bottom of the template and, for those that have a doc page, I'll move it there. I'll remove my posts from any template labeled high risk. Yes, copy this discussion to Template talk:Template sandbox notice. Perhaps we can revise the instructions for that template. Suntag (talk) 07:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I will copy this discussion there. But before that:

Now that we have tinkered a little with this, here is how I think we can use the sandbox notice in a way that looks good on the pages, works well, and doesn't cause any of the problems I mention above:

Lots of template code.

Perhaps a sandbox explanation or test examples.

What do you think about that? It means the sandbox notice gets shown below the template being tested, but before any other explanations or long test examples. So the sandbox notice is still close to the top of the page. But the template being tested/developed is still easy to copy and paste to the main template without much risk for human error.

--David Göthberg (talk) 08:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That sounds good. I've been moving from the top of the template to the bottom of the template page. Most templates have &lt;noinclude> at the bottom, so I've been putting  below that, above  if it exists. The pages I still need to review are at User:Suntag/sandbox2. I'm going to take a break at the moment. Please feel free to look over the pages. -- Suntag (talk) 08:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

''This discussion has now been copied/moved to Template talk:Template sandbox notice, please put any further comments there. --David Göthberg (talk) 12:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)''

Overlist
Yeah, sure. What do you want me to change to make it more essaylike? Bulldog123 (talk) 21:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. Will do. Snappy name might be a challenge though. Bulldog123 (talk) 22:02, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

SarahPalinSegmentsUnderInfoBox
Many thanks. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 16:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Alo! (Requested an edit there.) $\sim$ Justmeherenow     23:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit Labor Volunteer
Looks like Template sandbox notice discussion is winding down. I'll help edit should you be pressed for time; let me know on my talk page. – Conrad T. Pino (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Conrad. I would appreciate your going through the templates. I revised the list at User:Suntag/sandbox2 to make it easier. Basically, you can open about twenty at a time and edit the list in batches of twenty. If you do the review, please let me know so I don't duplicate your effort. Thanks. -- Suntag (talk) 20:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm in the Pacific Time Zone I'll have an hour free at 7 PM PDT 11-Sep-2008. I'll check in then for a list where you'd like me to work. – Conrad T. Pino (talk) 21:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm here per the above and your contributions page says perhaps you're still here. Please visit User:Suntag/sandbox2 at your convenience. – Conrad T. Pino (talk) 02:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

IFD
Hi there

I've replied at my talk. Thanks. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 23:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar of Good Humour
Million_Moments (talk) 14:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. Million_Moments (talk) 14:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

large Hadron Collider image
regarding your request, I'd like to give it a try, but where can I get an svg map of europe? martin (talk) 18:16, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Chris Wattson
I'll help keep a look out. Best, --Jh12 (talk) 19:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think in regards to this edit, Chris Wattson was actually trying to fix the page, not realizing that it was uncaught vandalism by Special:Contributions/69.251.157.12. I have restored the disambig page to the last clean version. Right now I'd prefer to Assume good faith on Wattson, but be assured I will add warnings if something blatant turns up. --Jh12 (talk) 19:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * inserting nonsense - possibly good-faith, but needs a reference. inserting nonsense and inserting same nonsense - possible misunderstanding of previous vandalism. removing deletion template - curious, though removing a speedy deletion tag is not unusual if the user planed to do something with the page, including creating a redirect. using another's subpage - possibly good-faith to create a new userbox, although definitely in the wrong userspace making talk page a redirect - it's common for users to redirect their own userpage to their talk page, though this was backwards how to vandalize - slightly bizarre, but it's not vandalism in itself? I will be informing the user of some potential problems, although there's still a lack of overt, blatant vandalism --Jh12 (talk) 19:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I haven't done much vandalism work, so I appreciate the comments. In the collective, they seem unusual. I had posted a note on Rlevse's page, for a review of the situation as well. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  20:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, looks like User:Chris Wattson has been blocked as a sock puppet, so your suspicions had pretty good merit. Best, --Jh12 (talk) 22:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC).

User:KennethIScott
Thanks for taking care of that Template for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KennethIScott (talk • contribs) 02:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Ireland_disambiguation_task_force
Can I urge you to read through the taskforce and its subpage? A huge amount of work has gone into it, and I'm worried that passers-by might vote for its removal and really take Wikipedia backwards. It is the culmination of a huge amount of work after endless polling on the subject. At the moment Irish articles are locked, socks and IP abound (the worst its ever been) and the issue has never been more intensely debated. We simply need a taskforce to stop people insisting on closing down debate because it is taking over talk pages (as many threaten to do). The taskforce is simply essential on many levels, and "forum shopping" on its opening proposal is surely not a good reason to delete it. (and my new proposal was not 'forum shopping' either, that is just one view by a small group of people who have already voted against it). One admin has already approved of the taskforce, and very soon it will get a great deal of interest and support. --Matt Lewis (talk) 02:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is that consensus has been 50/50 on this for years - this is a simply a chink of light. Plenty of debate and polling has gone on at IMOS (recently too), ROI, NI and WPI. It never ends (or stays in the same place), and at 50/50 the 'status quo' always remains. Ireland needs the taskforce desperately, and if someone didn't go ahead and "be bold" it may not have got the 60% that 50% of the stalwarts demand is needed. You have no idea how many people have turned away from this subject! The taskforce is the one thing that could bring them back - If I'm "shopping" for anything it is simply the people who have turned away in disillusion.--Matt Lewis (talk) 03:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Image:AS Aix.gif
Hi and thanks for pointing that, this image did work in the past, that's strange... So, I uploaded the same file again to fix it.--Latouffedisco (talk) 07:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Your post
Hey Suntag, and many thanks for the links. I had indeed seen the WP:ABF essay – in fact, I mentioned it in the essay header/disclaimer. However, the userbox is fairly amusing! I've never been one for userboxes myself, but I'll be sure to recommend it to people who share its views! See you around. <b style="color:#FF0000;">haz</b> (talk) 07:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Template:PD-USGov-Congress-Bio/Clean-up
The page is created. It's basically a Reader's Digest of WP:PD. Generally, the Biographical Directory is pretty much worthless, so you'll want to look at, say, the Library of Congress, the NYPL Digital Gallery, etc. to find support for the "typical" PD tags. I don't expect the majority to be salvagable as either they won't be PD in the first place or we won't be able to find the information necessary to support a PD claim. Эlcobbola talk 19:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll take a look. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  06:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Visual gallery of toucans
Thanks, but the point of the identificatin gallery is to enable you to find a species if you only know how it looks, and a category doesn't enable you to do that. Nikola (talk) 18:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There is also Category:Image galleries. You are right, and it's not only field guides, as I said, and I was serious, I have never seen an encyclopedia that didn't have such galleries. I of course agree that not every assembly of random pictures is encyclopedic, but galleries of this type are. I wanted to start a discussion at Wikiproject Tree of Life about this but of course never had enough time...
 * Things like Visual gallery of Pokemon wouldn't be an issue due to copyright and trademark concerns. Nikola (talk) 18:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Overlist
I transferred part of it to Irrelevant Intersections for Lists, as that part seems to be were everybody agreed. Please feel free to edit anything in it. Bull dog 07:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Archive box collapsible
I've replied there. <span style="font-family:lucida sans, console;">Everyme 16:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's keep it at the template talk page, so that other interested users who may have a similar question don't have to start looking in multiple places. <span style="font-family:lucida sans, console;">Everyme 16:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Did my attempts at clarifying help you? <span style="font-family:lucida sans, console;">Everyme 17:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I've adjusted the template code at Talk:List of shock sites to. The  option makes the template blend in better visually with standard talk page templates (80% page width). The  bit produces automatic (piped!) links to all subpages named in the pattern of Archive 1, Archive 2, etc. Another advantage is that you don't have to "update" the template code on the talk page. The auto option will automatically include every new archive subpage. <span style="font-family:lucida sans, console;">Everyme 17:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Also, please let me know if you have any suggestions on how to improve the template manual to make it clearer. <span style="font-family:lucida sans, console;">Everyme 17:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Take a look at User talk:Everyme/archive box. You can test it on your talk page simply by replacing  at the top of your talk page with  . If you like it, you can copy&paste the page code of User talk:Everyme/archive box to your /Welcome subpage. The newly added Archive "portion" of the code does the same as   and you can also manually add other archive pages if you want (take a look at the code, I've inserted a marker to let you know where to manually add archive pages). <span style="font-family:lucida sans, console;">Everyme 08:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Bot requests
I've commented at Bot_requests. Sam Korn (smoddy) 13:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have improved the accuracy of the script. See User:Sam Korn/PD-USGov-Congress-Bio.  Sam Korn (smoddy) 16:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Sam. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  16:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Votes for Deletion
At the time that VfD was changed to AfD, there was a mass move of all VfD articles to AfD. Please don't revert that move without a consensus discussion. Corvus cornix talk  01:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. There only seemed to be VfD articles in the archives and the move notes didn't indicate the purpose of the move. I won't revert any VfD to AfD movements. Best. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  01:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've brought this up at Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. hopefully Admins can undo your moves. Thanks.   Corvus cornix  talk  01:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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Toucan
Thanks for message, although I don't agree with with the merge suggestion. jimfbleak (talk) 06:47, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK - Kamkaze-class destroyer
Thank you very much for the reminder. I have added the comment and reference as per the request. --MChew (talk) 06:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for pointing out that the Image:BurnabyLakers.gif upload was not working. I uploaded a new version so I think its fixed now. Mitico (talk) 12:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Acting Sheriff
Major thumbs up for the article you wrote, it's a great resource, well-written and well-sourced. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * My name is Ray Joseph Cormier and I approve of this message. Seriously, Suntag you did a great job on your first major contribution to Wikipedia. Seeing it, confirms my confidence you are the one to build the BLP within the parameters your initial interest discovered.

Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 12:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review
Re: you notes about discussing the matter with the deleting admin first. I think if the "Before listing a review request" box information were moved into DRV as item #1 (and renumber the steps as 2, 3, 4, etc.), people would follow it more often. In fact, a subst template should be made for this very purpose to make it easy to make such a request. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  00:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I got reverted when I did something like that a while back. Stifle (talk) 08:06, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

DRV of Julius Pitzman
Thanks for your comments. About "Importance or significance" vs "notability". WP:CSD says to avoid speedy deletion an article does not have to prove that its subject is notable, just give a reasonable indication of why it might be notable. Therefore, I was using "notability asserted" as a convenient shorthand for edit summaries as I have seen that phrase used elsewhere when discussing A7. Maybe I should start using "IoS asserted".

As far as why I closed it. At the time I was going through the log, both me and the editor who nominated it "User:TenPoundHammer" were on #Wikipedia-en (IRC). Since he's also a non admin who closes AFDs I ask him for advise from time to time. When I'm reviewing one of his noms and the consensus appears to be "keep", if he's active on the channel, then out of courtesy I give him a chance to withdraw because he sometimes does that too when one of his noms is going "Keep". Instead he said "go ahead and close it" so I did since it already had been relisted once and the only delete vote wasn't really an argument for deletion. I had completely forgotten that I had earlier removed a speedy tag from the article and didn't realize it until last night when I was reviewing my past edits.

PS. It's only a coincidence that his last name is one letter removed from mine. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 15:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

History undelete
Hi Stifle. Would you please undelete the history of List of big-bust models and performers so that it may be better reviewed at DRV. Thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  15:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It took nearly five minutes to run the deletion request earlier because there are so many revisions. I am not in a position to do it at the moment; I'm sure another admin will see the DRV request and do the history restore if they feel it's warranted. Stifle (talk) 16:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I've got the content from the most recent version at User:Lifebaka/Sandbox/For DRV, you can see it there. Cheers.  <i style="color:green;">lifebaka</i>++ 00:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  00:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

This is a ping!
I moved the stuff in my sandbox to Template:Delrevafd. Cheers. <i style="color:green;">lifebaka</i>++ 01:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

You saw it here first
Suntag,

This is just a friendly notice since you involved yourself in the discussion of my biography in Wikipedia.

Finding my biography in Wikipedia two years after it existed, was a great and joyous surprise for me. It is in fact my first foray into the Public Domain in 11 years, since my last attempt at elective office. Everything I have contributed to this site, all the discussions with all the Administrators, is self published material in a public forum.

The mainline media, CNN in particular, is portraying the current economic crisis in Apocalyptic terms and totally unexpected. The record bares witness that on July 3, I made this statement in Ground Zero talk:

The global system is just entering the time when this line from Rev.18 will be seen and believed: And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buys their merchandise any more.

This is precisely, exactly what the current financial crisis is all about.

Peace

DoDaCanaDa (talk) 06:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Area 58
thanks for the kind comments actually Brisbane is better []

look all i can tell you is i used 15 references, it seems pretty factual to me but having 6 people stomp down 'hoax', can only lead me to conclude that 'the fix is in' when he says he did a 'google test' does he mean he did a 'keyword search' of the internet? and did he have to fast delete the article so it didn't appear near the top of google?

(when I refer to a spiked article at Federation of American Scientists, by John Pike is that original?) (that is a good reference site for intelligence matters) the main references are The US Intellegence Community, Deep Black, 1985 NYTimes article, InsideDefense, google earth, there are some stray internet references that confirm details (i.e. FAS confirming the NRO classification of area 58) when you combine google area 58 and dceeta you get 3 pages of stuff.

I'll do it your way, but watch - what i say will happen - regardless of the NPOV or references; I'll write it all in quotes from the sources, and they'll say it's copyright. actually, i've succeeded in getting the deleted article on a google(the deleted article is still on the first page), 'hmm what's that about'

what they're doing is closing the barndoor, it's intellectually dishonest it is like the reclassification at the National Archives and Records Administration. sorry to go on, thanks again Dogue (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * hey Suntag check out the rewrite at my userpage Dogue (talk) 18:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for the work, those templates are fancy. wiki has a good article at open source intelligence. I stole the 'hype' verbiage from the area 51 lead.  I believe that it's NRO not MI (they're stovepiped and don't like each other) btw, some army sat dishes are 1/2 mile down the road (more recent additions, not in radome and outside perimeter) i believe this chat is correct (the pictures do tell the story)[]Dogue (talk) 15:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ok i think it's ready for prime time (i may get photo this weekend)Dogue (talk) 15:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for the footnote work, i was gonna tighten up the y2k bit. i kinda like breaking up the paragraphs with a line break, and like having the 3 main sources at the bottom (so will put that back) It is too quote-y, but this is a direct response to the AfD discussion: hoax, original, not notable - cheers Dogue (talk) 15:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * hey suntag get a load of the comment war over at DCEETA, my prediction is coming true. Dogue (talk) 14:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)  the DCEETA article is different from the Area 58 article, even though the sources are the same.  why flag as previously deleted?  are you now going to delete because of copyright, not original? Dogue (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Area 58 and DCEETA are the same topic and it is common to note prior deletion discussions on talk pages. That way, people considering nominating DCEETA can see what happend in the past. Noting the prior deletion discussions makes it less likely that DCEETA will be listed at AfD since the reasons for the prior deletions have been overcome. You could return to DRV and request approval of moving the draft into article space, but you probably don't need to since that only addresses recreation of deleted material and the material you created is different from that which was deleted. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  15:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * thanks for the clarification, the novice might expect the opposite. do i need to be more civil on the talk page?  ALR is evasive. btw are user:TomStar810, and user:ALR in cahoots (meatpuppets?) check out user talk:ALR-- Dogue (talk) 17:37, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Julius Pitzman

 * Suntag—thank you very much for making this nomination. All the best, Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 19:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Deletiondiscussion
Hi, I noticed you've orphaned the redirect I created from Template:Deletiondiscussion to Template:Deletion discussion (with a space) and tagged it for speedy deletion. I hope you won't mind me asking, but I'd be interested to know if you had some particular reason for doing that? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * While a valid typo, it didn't seem reasonable to me to maintain such a redirect since forgetting to add a space seemingly could apply to a huge number of templates. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  21:27, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the reason I created it was because most of the related templates don't have spaces, so having the redirect saves one from having to remember each time whether this template had spaces in its name or not. Plus, it saves a bit of typing and is more easily added to the edit toolbar (which can handle spaces, but the syntax is obscure to say the least).  It's not like redirects actually take any significant "maintaining" — in my experience, they stay put on their own quite well. :)  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I probably should have looked up the template creator (you) and asked about a purpose behind the redirect. Sorry about that. I added the above info to the see also portion of Template:Deletion discussion so that, hopefully, someone else won't make the same mistake. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  22:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Code conudrum - helpplease
Hi, please revisit Template:Rescue and try to suss out how to keep this from being entered into the tagged category. Our bot is listing it as a AfD's article now. -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#CC00CC">Banj e <u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b oi   00:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll take a look. Can you provide a link to out bot and a link to its being listed as a AfD's article now, Thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  00:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Julius Pitzman
Nice to see this DYK on the front page today. I hope the article's creator sees it. I hope Arbiteroftruth sees it. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:43, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Toucans
I think that it would be informative to have a list of toucans, which would be useful for anyone wishing to identify a toucan. Illustrative photographs may be reorganized along the lines of "List of macaws" (which covers several genuses) or List of Amazon parrots". Snowman (talk) 10:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

DCEETA photo
''Hi Jeffq. Can you take some photos (signs, buildings, etc.) for User:Dogue/DCEETA (draft)? Thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  23:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)''


 * I don't know. Google Maps' satellite imagery suggests there's only one useful line-of-sight to the main building that isn't on Fort Belvoir property, and that doesn't seem likely to show very much, especially not a sign. More importantly, these folks don't sound like they want a photographer taking snaps of their facility, even from the road. It may seem silly, given that they don't seem to have restricted (or even blurred much) the satellite images available through Google, which are probably more revealing. But defense agencies are professionally paranoid. I think I'd at least want to call them first. And these days, it's generally not a good idea to make national-security organizations curious about you, however innocent your activities. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * did you like my dceeta photo? it says Aerospace Data Facility East, change of flag Dogue (talk) 14:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Rebecca (or User:Undream) AfDs
You wrote on my talk:
 * Hi Jerzy. Do you still have a need for Template:Rebecca (or User:Undream) AfDs? If not, please list it for deletion. Thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  00:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

No doubt your intentions are good, and i've no real idea it came about, but IMO your request implies confusion that could turn out to do unpredictable damage that might long be overlooked, and whose remediation would at best be onerous. AfD pages are preserved as permanent records and guarded against changes. The template is lk'd from several AfD pages, and its deletion would conceal the meaning of those pages, and unjustly make signed arguments outside the template seem illogical. A request by me for deletion might accomplish deletion without anyone else being guilty of more than carelessness, but IMO it would be a serious offense on my part. I'm also non-plussed by your apparent willingness to take up three editors' time for the sake of less than 1 kB of non-PAPER in a relatively esoteric namespace. --Jerzy•t 11:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks in return for yours.  I think (as your arg suggests) that my original plan was as troubled as the problem it was trying to address (apparently, independently nominated arguably related pages, plus further arguably related pages so noted before nomination). I certainly didn't invent the practice of multi-page nominations, but i'm guessing i was unaware of anyone else so formally extending that (probably bad) practice to searching out others' pages to "draft" into a consolidated deletion debate. (I'd argue now that the information gained by setting pages side by side is more likely to function as an ad-hom argument -- in effect, "the nom'd article is less worthy bcz the same author has previously contributed deletable articles" -- than to bring out patterns that make the situation clearer.)  FWIW, i think the philosophy behind making it a template was that others might add to the list; if i thot that far ahead, i must have figured it could be done harmlessly by signing & dating each addition (but that at least would have called for instructions i don't recall noticing this week).   As to the present, if you're willing to carry the ball in defending modification of the relevant transcluding pages to subst'n -- as a means of guaranteeing inadvertent change of their renderings -- i agree that that conversion would meet the objections that i raised. (I don't recall why, but on somewhere between 1 and a handful of occasions when i've annotated a closed AfD page, without asking permission, to avoid a more dangerous problem. I don't go around advocating for that practice, but no one has complained yet, and in this case i won't be the one to complain!) I don't recall how orphaned templates get deleted, but i can't imagine any continuing purpose for this one once it's orphaned.  Thanks for your attention. --Jerzy•t 19:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Reply
Just wanted to let you know that I replied to your question at Template talk:Date. ~ <font face="Georgia"><font color="#000">L'Aquatique <font color="#a96dfc">[<font face="Monotype Corsiva"><font color="#a96dfc">talk  ] 03:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

RE : Template:Prod-tip
Hi Suntag, yes please proceed to subst all of them. Thanks! - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 18:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your assistance! The actual peer review will be going up soon, please feel free to drop by then if you have time to spare. :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 19:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Broken edit?
Surely [ this] can't be right? —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In Bizarro World, it might be. Until then, I fixed it. Thanks for the heads up. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  21:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Proposed tag
Thank you. :) Hopefully it will bring more eyes. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Question
Hiya! Mmmm, can you explain this edit for me? I don't object to it (as the end result is the same) but I don't understand it and would like to. Thanks! :-)  fr33k man   -s-  04:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * AfDs are meant to have fixed text. Transcluded templates into an AfD allow changing the AfD after it is closed without changing the AfD history. On a different note, polling templates do not appear to have a welcome history in Wikipedia. Check dis out. Fixing the polling text means it will remain in the AfD after the polling template itself is deleted. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  04:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. I started using it because we tend to use it over at <tt>simple:</tt> quite a bit and I kind of like the graphics included in the &  templates. Your explanation makes a lot of sense and I'll probably raise the point over at <tt>simple:</tt> also. I don't get this link however: what is it supposed to show? Cheers!  fr33k  man   -s-  05:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This link shows that template:keep was deleted in the past and may be WP:G4 speedy deleted. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  12:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

DRV - notifying admin
I added this to the suggestion in hopes of avoiding this. Best! -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  20:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I tend to check the deleting admin's talk page before asking the question, but that doesn't hurt either. Stifle (talk) 13:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

CSD R2
I may have messed up. This was from template namespace, not article namespace, so CSD R2 may not apply. See this and this. Sorry for the confusion. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  17:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No big deal; the creator listed it for RFD so it's a G7 anyway. If folks want it back they can ask me. Stifle (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured Sounds and the Main Page
Well, let's move it forwards: Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 14:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk:Main_Page
 * Wikipedia_talk:2008_main_page_redesign_proposal


 * Hmm. Not a bad start, though I think I'll need to tweak those templates, because Howcheng told me about some problems with them tat would make them almost useless for the multi-part featured sounds. I'm not bad with templating, so I'll work on it today. Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 16:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Opal Koboi
Nice job on the article! Almost too many cites for readability. Someone needs to write some guidelines on "too many [] per sentence". But certainly shows notability... Nice.... Hobit 04:53 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Someone should contact the reliable sources and tell them that they need to write their material in a way that Wikipedia doesn't have to use multiple references to put together a sourced sentence in its articles. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  12:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * *Laugh*. Like I said, nice job! Hobit (talk) 14:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. And good job snagging the Hobit user name. On seeing it, a lot of people probably wish they had selected that user name. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  15:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for the box! The name is actually a play on my real name, but I was pleased to grab it...Hobit (talk) 16:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry!
Although creating a website here on wikipedia was a friends idea, I am still the one to blame. I should have stood up and said NO, I WILL NOT CREATE A WEBSITE FOR YOU ON WIKIPEDIA. I am very sorry for my actions there and would HATE to be blocked. I love wikipedia so much. If I were blocked, I would... well let's not go there. Once again I am sorry and I will never do anything related to that again. Thank you for reading this, even hough I sound like a 10 year old begging for candy or something. entertainU (talk) 00:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:Rfd starter
Hi Suntag. I have responded to your question over at Template talk:Documentation.

--David Göthberg (talk) 01:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:ReaderFeedback/Preload
Thanks for the heads up. I've deleted it. Superm401 - Talk 09:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Gallery
There is documentation at gallery. I wouldn't work with new images right now, the sever went down a while ago. ChyranandChloe (talk) 22:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia resizes and compresses the images for you, that's why they tell you to upload as high or a resolution as possible. The severs went down several hours ago and I think I caught that it was the image server on the IRCs, if it doesn't work tommorow then we should look into it. ChyranandChloe (talk) 22:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Erythema multiforme
I agree that some of the photos on the EM article are not very illustrative. The bottom two seem consistent with EM, but the three at the top look much more like urticaria and should probably be removed. JFW | T@lk  02:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

ANI Discussion
Hi again, Suntag! I saw your new message and wanted to tell you I stopped doing that kind of stuff when I apoligized for my disruptive behavior. I also want to tell you that I was just adopted today by Addshore. I'm sure he'll do great being my adopter. I'm not going to do those things anymore, as I said in my apoligy. Please don't block me. I love wikipedia sooo much. Thank You for your concern, and feel free to contact me at anytime. entertainU (talk) 15:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: ANI thread
Re your message: I didn't understand what issue you are trying to bring attention to with that ANI thread. Can you please explain what you are trying to say on the ANI thread? I replied there. Thank you. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Image:Batman - The Long Halloween 11 pg15.jpg
Should be working now... looks like the image fell off the database somehow. - J Greb (talk) 22:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

ARE YOU THERE?
You haven't responded to any messages including mine in a long time. Alot of users are still expecting messages from you. &#39;&#39;&#39;&#91;&#91;User:EntertainU&#124;i·am·entertainU&#93;&#93;&#39;&#39;&#39; &lt;sup&gt; &#91;&#91;User_talk:EntertainU&#124;drop me a line&#93;&#93;&lt;/sup&gt;/&lt;sub&gt;&#91;&#91;Special:Contributions/EntertainU&#124;C&lt;small&gt;ontribs&lt;/small&gt;&#93;&#93;&lt;/sub&gt;&lt;/font&gt; (talk) 02:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What message of yours are you referring to? -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  02:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Halloween box
Thank you for that!--otherlleft (talk) 03:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Image:Cuyahoga 1974.jpg
I'm very confused by why you've added this. It's clearly labeled as. It's also discussed on the talk page. Am I missing something? Toddst1 (talk) 16:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Although provides the copyright status, the image has no source information. Source information must be provided so that the copyright status can be verified by others. The source information was requested 23:07, 19 November 2007 and the request removed without the source information provided. You need to provide a URL link or some other source identifying information that is specific enought to allow the copyright status can be verified by others. Saying it is from the U.S. Government is not specific enought to allow the copyright status to be verified by others. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼   16:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Good to know. Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

This Message
I was reffering to this message below:
 * Hi again, Suntag! I saw your new message and wanted to tell you I stopped doing that kind of stuff when I apoligized for my disruptive behavior. I also want to tell you that I was just adopted today by Addshore. I'm sure he'll do great being my adopter. I'm not going to do those things anymore, as I said in my apoligy. Please don't block me. I love wikipedia sooo much. Thank You for your concern, and feel free to contact me at anytime.

Thanks and Happy editing! --i-am-entertainU (talk) 02:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That message didn't seem that it requested a reply. I did reference in my post at the then open ANI thread. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  19:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Baracky
I think you used the wrong rationale for this page. This has nothing to do with Barack Obama but rather with an anime character. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 03:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Main page redesing proposal Straw poll
The Main Page Redesign proposal is currently conducting a straw poll in selecting five proposals. I thought you might be interested. ChyranandChloe (talk) 23:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help
And thanks for the useful picture addition to the article. That makes a difficult subject a little bit easier. All the best. Americanlinguist (talk) 08:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * PS the 'nonsense' tag has been replaced, why? Americanlinguist (talk) 18:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:ZitsComicStrip20070913.PNG)
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Template:User:ZoRCoCuK/Cyprus
Hi ZoRCoCuK. I moved the page "Template:User:ZoRCoCuK/Cyprus" to "User:ZoRCoCuK/Cyprus" and revised your user page to reflect this move. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  19:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for everything. May it be easy...  *** Эɱ®εč¡κ *** ...and his friends  07:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Mass deletion nominations
Could you please scale down on the nominations. If you nominate a band and it is deleted, then you can have the albums and members easily speedied by referring to the band AFD unless the members played in other bands as well. That saves everyone a whole lot of time. Also, I would prefer if you gave a little more detailed nomination so people can see you made an effort to find sources apart from just googling. (Mention some specific sources you found and say why they are not reliable, that sort of thing). - Mgm|(talk) 10:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  14:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

List of United States presidents by handedness
Thanks, it's already been listed at DYK, so hopefully the AfD will be over in time. Lampman (talk) 10:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

XfD warning templates
Hi Following WT:Twinkle/Bugs I undid some of your changes from here, since the templates and  are both used by Twinkle which at the moment automatically adds a signature after the warning. That could have been fixed there, but since it had already been removed from and both  and  still instructed to manually add the signatures (and so did WP:TFD FWIW) I removed the automatic signatures from the warning templates again. Also, I for one often enjoy the ability to add some personalized text to AfD warnings whenever I add one manually, which is more difficult with the automatic signature. I hope that's OK. I wouldn't mind a concerted effort to make them all consistent though, one way or the other (the RFD notice and still have automatic sigs). Cheers, Amalthea Talk 15:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I find it amusing BTW that you, too, fell victim to the duplicate sigs and were one of the first to have uesed the changed version. :) -- Amalthea Talk 15:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just glad that my antics could bring some joy into your life. : ) -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  16:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Some of the XfD warning templates carried ~ with them and others required the user to add ~ to the transclusion. At the time, it seemed more efficient to include ~ with the templates. However, on using both methods, I think omitting ~ from the XfD templates is best because most people expect to add ~ after their posts. I had low priority planned to remove ~ from the XfD warning template transclusions, but never got around to it. All the XfD warning templates should be somewhere in Category:Deletion templates. Please feel free to make all XfD warning templates consistent. In fact, it might be possible to have just one XfD warning template by adding a parameter to locate the XfD. I think if you put all the XfD templates on one sandbox page, you could that comparision to create a wording that would apply to all XfDs. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼   16:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

"Milk and Alcohol"
Cracking good work on this relatively new article ! It puts my initial effort well into the shade - very well done. One small caution though on formatting (as per Manual of Style). Song titles should be represented in quotation marks eg. "Milk and Alcohol"; and album titles in italics eg. Be Seeing You. Can I expect more welcomed input on other Dr. Feelgood related articles in the future ? Many thanks, either way, Derek R Bullamore (talk) 19:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm lost when it comes to italics and quotes. I revised the article per your comment above. My participation in Milk and Alcohol was more of a random thing. It was interesting seeing how the song's impact changed over time, however. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  20:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Tony Moon's book "Down by the Jetty" clearly states the sleeve was "based on a bottle of the alcoholic tipple Kahlua" (P66) and that it was "Available in black, brown & white vinyl with matching PS" (P122) The Feelgoods website has an entire entry on Kahlua, which gives the story behind the song, and also states the sleeve was based on a bottle of Kahlua. Difficult to put this in the article, when the sleeve shown is clearly not Kahlua! Arjayay (talk) 09:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting cover - Is it the US issue?

PS The World-Cat link you left is for the 1997 1st edition of the book, a second, revised and updated edition was issued in 2002 - I own both (page references above are from the 2002 edition), so I'm obviously what we call an anorak, but I've been following the band since Stupidity in 1976 Arjayay (talk) 15:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The cover you uploaded shows a photo of the band in The Prisoner blazers and scarves, similar to those used to promote the Be Seeing You album. This is strange, as this was the previous album, to Private Practice, on which Milk and Alcohol appears.  Unfortunately, I can't find a copy of the single's Kahlua sleeve, to explain the story and vinyl colours.

Arjayay (talk) 16:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Found the original - have replaced your cover with this, and referred to the vinyl and sleeve colours. This leaves your original cover picture "orphaned" - we could add it as a second cover, but really need to know where and when it was issued - the site you found it on was Dutch - maybe there was a problem with using the Kahlua bottle?

Wikimedia Commons
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Image source problem with Image:WhiteHouseTheCatintheHat2003.jpg
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DR 6 nebula
(from here) Any chance of using Image:GalacticGhoul.gif instead of Image:DR6nebula.jpg on the Main Page at Template:Did you know/Next update? -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  16:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahm, I don't think so. It is an altered image, and we have to show the actual nebula. I am sure people will check it out when they click to read the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * So, basically, there is a chance of using GalacticGhoul.gif on the Main Page, but that chance just happens to be zero? -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  18:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's say I am not in favor of it. The Main Page is a sensitive place in many ways. Why do you want to use the altered image anyway? --BorgQueen (talk) 18:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not that big of deal and my 18:10, 31 October 2008 post above we meant more of as a joke. Using the flashing Happy Halloween GalacticGhoul.gif on the Main Page probably would bring some objections. Also, the image would be appropriate if there were an article having as its main topic the flashing Happy Halloween GalacticGhoul.gif, which DR 6 nebula is not as you mentioned above. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  18:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Great work deserves praise

 * Wow! Thanks so much. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  20:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * And thank you for nominating the article for DYK. I was in the process of putting together a DYK nomination that would've included both of us...and you got their first!  My goodness, great minds think alike! :) Ecoleetage (talk) 23:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Valued images
Let me elucidate (excuse the pun). Firstly, this is not a 'Valued image WikiProject'. It is a department similar to Picture peer review, and is based on WP:FP. In response to your message, the department has already been proposed at the Village Pump twice, where it was approved both times. Support fro this project has already been gauged. It was also discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Featured pictures, where it was met with a vote of approval. It was developed over a period of several weeks, and then lay dormant due to the initiation of a similar proect on Wikimedia Commons. The design and setup is already underway, and is scheduled to open for nominations. In fact, the entirety of the valued images department, from templates to categories to the most basic criteria and guidelines, is completed and ready to be initiated. Several administrators have been notified of the existence of VP, as have frequent FP and FPC editors and nominators. The signpost has been contacted, as you have seen, as has WikiProject Photography. An illustraor, LadyofHats, has been asked to design a personalized seal for Wikipedia VP. I'd say consensus has been accheived. Elucidate (parlez à moi) Ici pour humor 15:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:TheRecyclerLogo.PNG)
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Re: DYK Scene7
Thanks, I'll get to those when I have time, probably in the morning. I think notability is already proven in the article at this point, though; I don't want it to hold up the DYK. Gary King ( talk ) 05:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Faith Leech
Do you have access to some type of newspaper archives?  YellowMonkey  ( click here to choose Australia's next top model! ) 07:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A friend of mine does. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  07:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Vienna Fingers

 * Thanks for the research on the Action Advertiser newspaper. I'm going to write a stub soon because I used the following week's addition for several articles.  Royal broil  16:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help out. And thanks for the DYK credit. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  16:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hooray for us! And to think...this article was actually up for AfD! :) Ecoleetage (talk) 16:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK template
Thanks for cleaning up the documentation on that template! It's the first template I've written, so I just pretty much copied the documentation sheet from fact and wasn't totally sure what sort of format we're supposed to follow. Anyway, thanks for your edit, it looks a lot better now! &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 21:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, that will be really useful! I'm relatively new to DYK myself so I don't know a lot about all of these templates, but I'll take a look.  RyanCross, Gatoclass, RoyalBroil, and BorgQueen would also be good people to check with.
 * Off the top of my head, I can say that DYKusertalk looks to be pretty much the same as DYKquestions (although I daresay I think mine is nicer ;) ). I will send a message to the creator of that template to see if he minds if we delete that one redirect that template to mine. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 21:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK question answered
Hello! I answered your question on the DYK entry for November 6 on Rescue of Jews by Polish communities during the Holocaust. Please revisit this when you have a moment. Thanks! Ecoleetage (talk) 14:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

B.P. Newman article may be deleted
Thanks for the material you added to the article. I did not have those sources. I don't know why there is such opposition to this. I think some of these editors just want to delete "something" every day. Thanks again.

Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK
Oh, no problem at all; I appreciate all of your comments! In fact, I don't even remember which particular DYK you're worried about stepping on my toes at, because I haven't been bothered by any of your edits. Cheers, &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 03:08, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Charles Curtis (botanist)
I note your comments on the DYK page, which I have now addressed. Could you now let me know if the article is OK for DYK or if anything else needs changing? If you're "happy", could you confirm that the hook etc. is OK on the DYK page. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 11:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK hook
One of the discussions at WP:AN/I can be found here. This was quite a recent issue, but I guess it unfolded before you became active on DYK? The upshot is that the use of the main page is a sensitive issue, and there never seems to have been a clear set of guidelines on acceptable material to post there. Both WP:TFA and WP:TFP have made clear judgements that questionable content will not be featured. DYK has not really had that so far, so one administrator uploaded what he thought was an innocuous nom, that was considered provocative in its wording and featured scantily clad women. It unleashed a firestorm, though his subsequent desysopping was I think more about his reactions to the opposition than anything else.

Most of the other DYK regulars who have posted comments on this current porn film topic have remembered this I suspect. If scantily clad women are considered by many editors not to be acceptable, featuring a hook about a commercial pornographic film about a recently defeated vice-presidential nominee around the period of its general release is certainly going to be controversial. This is an issue that needs clarifying at an RFC for the entire wikipedia project over the guidelines for the use of the main page for TFA, ITN, TFP and DYK. I think you were right to pass it (as by DYK guidelines it was fine) but as you point out, that is in itself superseded by the admin conduct guidelines. Until the situation has been clarified one way or the other, noms that are judged excessively controversial by general consensus should continue to be shelved. Benea (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Documenting search methods
Not sure if you saw my reply. That looks like a very useful search method. Is it documented anywhere? Carcharoth (talk) 00:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Freebiejeebies
Please can you return to this discussion and correct your comments, you commented on a past article, not the one of the discussion. The correct version was provided in a link within the text. Thanks. Simon2239 (talk) 13:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK
Hi - I don't know whether or not I am talking to the right person, but no-one has posted the DYK messages on the article talk pages nor to the user pages for the current front page. Is this something you can help with - I must declare an interest as two articles that I created are featured. Cheers. --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The credits to be posted used to be at Template:Did you know/Next update. I think they moved them. User:Ameliorate! might know the status of the present credits. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  18:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help & comments. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Jeff
I don't know if you realize how much that will mean to Jeff's mother. Really. We speak every week, and she is still simply devastated. I dedicated my Joan Didion photograph to her. I will wait to see if it sticks before letting her know you did that. If you feel comfortable sending me your e-mail address, she may (or may not - she's somewhat reclusive) want to reach out to you. If that is awkward for you, no worries. davidshankbone@gmail.com --<font color="#0000C0">David <font color="#0000C0">Shankbone  23:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

SS Mahratta (1917)
Most of those links are not to the ships, but other uses of the word "Mahratta". I really think I've exhausted all online sources for this ship. As I haven't been able to find out an official number for the ship I can't search using that. Mjroots (talk) 18:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I've found a couple more sources and expanded as much as I can. If it is long enough now then I'll unstrike the nom. 19:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Nassak Diamond
In reviewing new pages, I saw your excellent article on the Nassak Diamond. I was about to nominate it for DYK, but then saw you were the author and figured I'd defer to you to self-nominate. One possible suggestion would be:
 * ... that the Nassak Diamond (pictured), which adorned a statue of Shiva in an Indian temple for 300 years, was later embeded into the handle of the dress sword of the Marquess of Westminster? Cbl62 (talk) 05:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK
I didn't post the DKY articles, i just noticed they were missing DYK tags and added them.--Grahame (talk) 03:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: The Tiger
Thanks so much for your message! It's been a pleasure working with you and the other reviewers at DYK. (Now if I can only get enough control over myself to actually drag myself away from it sometimes and get my actual work done...) &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 15:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Find sources?
I don't understand a newly added template. Will you point me to where I could have/should have been able to learn more about its function, provenance, etc. --Tenmei (talk) 13:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Content for the article may be located at Find sources: "Yonsei (fourth-generation Nikkei)" — news, books, scholar
 * Hi Tenmei. In response to your post above, I revised Template:Findsourcesnotice to give it optional parameters. In general, you can locate any category Templates used on any page by using the "edit this page" tab than the "show preview" button. This string leads to a page where the bottom of the page includes a section "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page:" (sometimes reads: "Templates used in this preview:") which provides a list of templates used on the Talk:Yonsei (fourth-generation Nikkei) page. One purpose of the banner is to help editors locate source material for the article. Another is to give editors something to check before listing an article at AfD. Banjeboi's had a strong keep point in the Yonsei AfD about a simple search revealing a likelihood of material available for the Yonsei article. If Template:Findsourcesnotice were on the talk page of the Yonsei article, then perhaps it would not have landed at AfD. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  18:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Love dart
Hi Suntag, Thanks for the congratulations on the DYK results. I had originally hoped to work on the article "behind the scenes" and then "release" it shortly before Valentine's Day 2009. I think it would really have gone off the charts if we could have done that. But as it is it did great anyway. Thanks again, Invertzoo (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

GA template
Not sure what trouble you had -- the template is working for me (see the top of my user page), but when you click into the template itself you get an error message. I've never known why that's there, I'm not very advanced in the art of Template-Fu. Sorry! -Pete (talk) 01:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes...that error message has been there since I first made it. I copied the code from another template. Wish i knew why it was there, I'd love to get rid of it...but, it doensn't interfere with the functionality, so I figured I'd just leave it until someone more skilled comes along and fixes it :) Thanks for noticing, I never really expected anyone else to use those templates besides me. -Pete (talk) 07:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Nasak Diamond
-- GateKeeper(X) @ <font face="Comic Sans" size="2">   01:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Your rollback request
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Stevanna Jackson
There is not single source of articles under Google news, books, and scholar, for Tessa which I could look up. Tessa Ludwick is also 22 years old and has been a Movie Surfer since she is 15 years old, and even if She was in a lot of school plays, and now her page has become so extensive, what is your explanation for Blaine Miller? Where is his notability?--Fantasia 15 (talk) 06:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I can answer this one. Fantasia, one user has already advised you to read Other stuff exists, but I will reiterate it here.  Basically, the fact that another article is bad will never have any bearing on your article.  If the other article is bad, it will be dealt with (deleted or improved) on its own, and does not have any influence over what happens to the Stevanna Jackson article. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 06:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:Truman Balcony 154. West Window to Room.jpg
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 * Thanks for sorting that. J Milburn (talk) 23:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I usually try to get the source info posted within 5 minutes of uploading an image to avoid being hit with an image template, but I had a phone call and missed the 5-minute window. I'm glad things worked out. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  23:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops
Hi. Please undo your refactoring of my comment here. Giving a diff of my edit to Medscape adds nothing of value here. --Una Smith (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Sorry about the confusion. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  17:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you and no problem. --Una Smith (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I lift a Tom Collins in salute

 * Thank your for the DYK medal. The Tom Collins topic turned out to be a great find. The actual history is in old books, now easily searched through Google, the origins of the drink were declared lost in the 1920s, and modern writers on the topic merely copied each other's rumors. I started with a simple old book search at Google and found enough info from the 1800s to generate the article. When I was done, I noticed that Tom Collins is an IBA Official Cocktail, which likely means that people going to the annual World Cocktail Competition will read the Wikipedia article to prepare for the competition and, on returning back to their bars, retell the tale of Tom Collins and source it to Wikipedia. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  15:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK Tessa Ludwick
No problem! I think I actually meant to check that one several days ago, but when I looked into the article history I accidentally got myself caught up in that ridiculous Stevanna Jackson thing and got distracted for a while. Anyway, it's verified now. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 14:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that there needs to be some way of notifying people when a nom has been promoted... one idea that was brought up before (I don't remember by whom) was leaving promoted noms at T:TDYK but setting them off in a gray box or something like that (similar to what happens with old AfD discussions and stuff). I guess we have to decide between doing that or making a standard message to send people when their nom gets promoted.  Both would mean a bit of extra work for the promoter (although I presume the setting-off plan would be slightly less extra work, since the nominator will already have the T:TDYK window edit open when they're copying the hook over), and sending messages might clutter talk pages (especially for the prolific nominators).  Setting off promoted hooks in a box would avoid those problems, but it would have the added hassle of someone needing to pay attention to when the template gets flipped, and going back and removing those noms after the flip happens.  In all, I think sending messages is easier to set up initially (a template message is easier to create than a template using   and stuff, which is very esoteric to me, to set off the old noms), but it's hard for me to gauge which one will work better in the long run. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 19:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * On a side note, if we do decide to mark promoted noms by putting them in a gray box or something, I think that could be nicely built into DYKsuggestion...just adding a parameter like promoted that can take  or , and if it's yes it puts in some div bla bla bla stuff. (And then when a vetter is moving the nom over to Next, he doesn't have to copy in the new formatting or template or anything to mark that the nom has been chosen; he just needs to change "no" to "yes" in the existing template.) &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 20:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The time problem was because I was using FULLDATE, which doesn't have a time-first date-second format (except for one that wikilinks the date, wh ich I find annoying). I just discovered time, which seems to do just what we want, so I'm fiddling around with that in DYKsuggestion now. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 19:30, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah ok, I see now. Moving the timestamp into undefined seems to work fine.  As for collapsing the vertical-ness...I originally arranged things vertically like that so it would be clean for reviewers.  I'm not sure if having it all scrunched together like this will be an issue or not; I guess it might be a matter of personal preference.  I'm trying to figure out a way to make it only show the fields that people actually filled in, and if I could get that set up then the vertical setup wouldn't take up too much space...but I haven't gotten it working yet. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 19:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * (outdent) The Seth Kinman nom looks good. Good call with adding the asterisk for the first commentator; when I commented on your earlier nom I had to stop and think for a moment about how far I would need to indent my first comment under the template, so putting the asterisk in there beforehand is a nice touch. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 20:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Altusername
No problem, I got it just before I received your message. I think all it was was that you missed the closing  after the   thing. I'm about to go add altusername to the documentation. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 20:45, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Pre-going live
Hey, sorry, but I have to head out in about 5 minutes and won't be back until later in the evening. Do you want to go ahead with the switching over old noms at T:TDYK, or wait until this evening so you don't have to do it all on your own? I don't mind either way.

Also, I figured it might be good to try doing about half of them with the vertical spacing from earlier, and half with the collapsed way that you have DYKsug set up now. That way after 24 hours or so hopefully vetters will be able to say either, "ugh, that was so cluttered, it took me forever to find the hook and whom to give credit to!" or "ugh, that stupid template took up so much space and there was hardly even anything in it!" and that way we can get a better idea which sort of spacing out is more practical. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 21:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll put back in the spacing. Eventually, if a bot reads the template to do the credits, we won't need the spacing. Plus, we can get feed back on the spacing as it was the original idea. I'll switch some of the DKYs but I have to go as well. Another day or two before going live might be a good way to go. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  21:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I left you a message at Template talk:DYKsuggestion about the ALT hooks and a possible solution for them.
 * Also, I was just thinking, should we notify the more prolific nominators (Alansohn, PFLai, Cbl62, etc.) about the template and try to use them as guinea pigs? After all, they are the ones who will end up using it most...and since they are DYK regulars, maybe it will be easier for them to make the switch initially. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 00:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Awesome!
 * I just added some examples of the alt hook stuff to Template:DYKsuggestion/Test at the bottom of the page.
 * With these sample strings at T:TDYK, do you think we should move them down a little, to keep the rules at the top? &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 00:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Moved. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  00:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Charles G. Boyd
Since they all use the same fact, they're all approve. It's up to whoever puts them in the queue to choose the best-worded one. Daniel Case (talk) 23:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  23:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for Input on Marriage Privatization
Hi Suntag, Thanks for your input regarding the deletion review of my article Marriage Privatization. Your suggestion is an intersting one to me I am still learning how the Wikipedia process works. Did you read the second article? I honestly believe that I addressed all of the appropriate reasons for deletion that were raised during discussion for the first article. The second article is subtantially longer and notes a variety of notable writers holding various views on the topic dating back to 1997. This should negate the problem surrounding a non-notable neo-logism or the suggestion that the first article was origional research. I provide numerous reliable resources in the second article (Marriage Privatization). If you read that article I am very interested in specific suggestion you might have. I am assuming that administrators have access to deleted articles. Thanks for your help! Hermesmessage (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Hermesmessage

Dear Suntag, In accordance with your advice I have created the following sub-page reposting the deleted article in question. If you have any further comments or suggestions I am eager to hear them. Thanks, Hermesmessage (talk) 18:06, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Hermesmessage

User:Hermesmessage/Marriage Privatization —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC).

Thank you very much for your additional comment in the deletion review. Also, thank you for cleaning up my new article on the sub-page. I may be mistaken (I did a search for the topic before writing), but as far as I can tell the topic of Marriage Privatization is not otherwise mentioned in Wikipedia. The exception is a brief mention of Dershowitz’s position in the Same-sex marriage article. The topic does not seem to get any comprehensive coverage in Wikipedia at this time. Thanks for your constructive help! Hermesmessage (talk) 18:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Hermesmessage

I appreciate the advice you left on my talk page. I will try to incorporate your suggestions as I continue to write and edit here. Cheers Hermesmessage (talk) 18:41, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Hermesmessage

Please do not add categories to preloads
Hi - you added a category to GAN/preload. This template is not transcluded. Instead it is loaded into an edit window which GAN reviewers then save. As a consequence of your edit, over 60 GAN review subpages have been added to Category:Wikipedia GA templates. I invite you to go through these talk subpages (which all end with /GA1, /GA2, etc.) removing the category, hence fixing the consequences of your honest mistake. Thanks for your efforts to improve the documentation and organization of templates, but please take care when doing mass edits. Geometry guy 18:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I had talk subpages that end with /GA1, /GA2, etc. removed from Category:Wikipedia GA templates. Sorry about the confusion. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  16:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for fixing it so quickly! Geometry guy 18:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

RE : DYK Main Page hits contest
I've disclosed the topic on the discussion page. It's going to be a challenging one, but I don't think you need to head down to the library. (P.S. I've done a similiar, shorter one before) ;) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 14:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note Suntag. For me, it's a very apt topic ... I'm a fully signed-up rail enthusiast!  Here in Britain, though, we have a standardised rapid bleeping before the doors close.  Very disappointing.  Look forward to expanding this, launching it in mainspace and learning some new stuff at the same time!  <font face="Helvetica"><font color="#00BFFF">Hassocks <font color="#228B22">5489 (tickets please!)  19:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A job well done to all! Cheers! - Mailer Diablo 15:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my RfA
I just wanted to take a moment to say "thank you" for taking the time and effort to participate in my recent RfA. As you may know, the discussion closed 66/0/1 and I'm now a holder of the mop. I will keep working to improve the encyclopedia and appreciate the trust which you have placed in me. - Dravecky (talk) 00:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Power and the Glory
Thanks for helping out with the article. I didn't realize it was a little short for DYK. :-) — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 02:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help out. We're working on a bot notification system at DYK to notify editors if there are comments to their DYK nom. There's been significant changes to DYKs operation in the past month and we're working to get the kinks out. The notification bot is on the list of ideas to consider, but I think it will happen. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  16:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

INRConvert
is the real architect behind INR Convert. He could probably help with the technical details. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  14:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  14:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi there, it should be fairly simple to recalibrate INRConvert for Yen-Dollar conversions. I could have that working sometime this weekend. Not too sure about  adjustments though...could you tell me a bit more about how you'd like inflation to be factored into the template? Thanks AreJay (talk) 19:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK Proposal
Thanks for your note,- I added more references to the text of German post offices abroad.Ekem (talk) 21:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your careful consideration at my successful RfA. Please let me know on my talk page if you have any suggestions for me. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 03:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK entry issue
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Nsk92 (talk) 03:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Spinoffs
"John Milton's early life seems to be a writing effort disconnected with similar material already presented in John Milton. Spinoff articles normally are developed in the main article, here John Milton, and then spun out after a consensus discussion."

Actually, "spinoffs" are only considered such when they are a topic that does not match the WP:WEIGHT guideline, regardless of discussion or not. This doesn't actually matter, because notability for topics, if notable on their own, allow for said works to exist. Milton, with thousands of books on him and tends of thousands of articles about him, is clearly notable, in the same way that Samuel Johnson or Charles Darwin is. None of this really matters, because these pages are created as part of the John Milton project. I work on FAs. I know how to build them and how to build the encyclopedia. Your assumptions leave much to be desired. But this is all ignoring the fact that your first sentence is blatantly incorrect and that there has been a lot of discussion on this birthday writing project. Ottava Rima (talk) 05:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Enos Lowe
Thanks for your contribs to Enos Lowe. If you're interested in sleuthing, here's a mystery for you: I have several citations reporting Enos' brother Jesse Lowe as the first mayor of Omaha; however, this reliable source says Enos himself was. I would appreciate it if you found definitive sources. • Freechild   'sup?   16:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

DYKBEST nominator credit
Suntag, I left a question about DYKbest at WT:DYK. Cheers, &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 18:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

New sample DYKsugstrings?
Hey Suntag,

First of all, sorry I haven't had a chance to review any of your nominations yet; I did notice that you dug up a ton this morning, so that should really help out. Hopefully I'll have a chance to put some DYK hours in tonight or tomorrow.

Now then, Orlady brought up a problem, which is that a lot of nominators have been filling in the creator field even for super-old articles, and stuff like that...it's not surprising, since I doubt many people bother to look at the template documentation for that stuff (and, if I had designed the template better, they wouldn't have to...I need to keep working on trying to make things more transparent&mdash;the old me, back in my Python days, would be ashamed of what I have become!), and the parameters can be a bit esoteric. I've tried making a new template sample, to be included at T:TDYK and in the edit notice; there's an example of it here. I'm trying to get it small enough to fit in the edit notice, but big enough to provide relatively simple instructions that will cover as many "normal" applications as possible, and prominent instructions for where to find the more advanced stuff for those few users who do need to do something like nominate multiple articles. If you have a moment, could you take a look and let me know how you think this sample could be improved?

Thanks! &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 05:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Velika Planina
BorgQueen (talk) 14:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel McDowell
--BorgQueen (talk) 17:45, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination count
In response to your message at WT:DYK about the number of current hooks:


 * I'm not sure how MS handles newline characters, but I know if you count stuff in the edit window them it considers ====[[ to be the same as :

==== Politizer talk / contribs 02:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Problem with DYK hook
Hi Suntag! There's a problem with the article you've nominated for DYK here. It will be going under expiring noms tomorrow, so can you address the issues quickly? Thanks and cheers.  C h a m a l  talk 12:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Article for Deletion - Maybe
You expressed an intention some time ago to to develop my biography which I discovered only April 19 after it had been online for over two years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Joseph_Cormier Yesterday someone placed a tag on it which I interpret as saying someone must develop it or it will be deleted. Since it´s my biography, I have recused myself from editing it and I certainly cannot compel anyone to work it to reflect the many references which can be seen here: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2003596&l=16beb&id=1294974109 Is there anything you can do, please? DoDaCanaDa (talk) 13:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The notability tag is a maintenance tag, not a deletion tag, and placed the article in a subcategory of Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability. In this case, the article is located here. WikiProject Notability uses those categories "to reduce the number of non-notable articles, get more editors involved and support those currently involved in fixing, merging, or deleting apparently non-notable articles." You also can try Article Rescue Squadron. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  16:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Cornwallis, 2nd Baron Cornwallis

 * Excellent hook! Thanks for nominating the article as I didn't give any thought to doing so myself after writing it. Cheers, --Rosiestep (talk) 17:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Monarchy in Ancient India
It actually is there, just presented as the piped link "kingship" (added here) - it's currently the second hook at T:DYK/N. Cheers! <font face="Bradley Hand ITC" size="2px" color="green">Jamie ☆<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" size="2px" color="blue">S93  20:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. :-) I give credit to the & skiptotoc templates when it came to making the "skip to bottom/top" formatting. ;-) <font face="Bradley Hand ITC" size="2px" color="green">Jamie ☆<font face="Bradley Hand ITC" size="2px" color="blue">S93  20:39, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Hiram Leavitt
Many thanks for the help with the Hiram Leavitt piece. And if you added the photo, thank you for that also. Take care and regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

White Light
I appreciate the thought, but I've struck your alt hook. The sources don't support what you're saying. The house that was attacked only housed crew (not cast), so there's no evidence that Borsato was personally a victim of the attack. _ Mgm|(talk) 09:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My ALT2 was a rewording of the original hook, which read "... that on the set of the Dutch film White Light, singer Marco Borsato's acting debut, was attacked?". You might want to strike the original hook as well. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  18:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK Problem
Hello! Your submission at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed. There still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have responded. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 23:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

FindMyPair.com
Your comment: "Endorse - This version lacks a statement of importance/significance as required by A7. The article reads fine in that it has a history of the business (certainly not G11). However, Orangemike was correct to speedy deleted the article under A7. If someone adds a statement of importance/significance to the draft article, please place a note on my talk page and I will revisit my post here. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 09:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)"

I have added a statement of importance AND a new reference for the article, if being called "one of the most popular online communities" is not a statement of importance please clarifiy yourself and let me know what you would consider "important." (Royalblue1 (talk) 21:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC))

Elections in England and Wales, 1949
Thank you for nominating this article for DYK and improving it by writing the lead-in etc. I am not sure the fact of the LCC dead-heat really deserves to go on DYK. The Liberal seat made it a hung council and as I recall, Labour hung onto power through the use of the unelected Aldermen, so while the 64-64 draw between the two main parties was noteworthy as the results came in, there was no practical effect politically. If an in-line citation is needed for the dead heat, The Times of 9 April 1949 is the best one to quote. The headline was PARTIES DEAD HEAT IN LCC ELECTIONS. In fact I will addd that now anyway. Thanks again. Graham Lippiatt (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK messages
Suntag, thanks for your messages! I agree that these would be a nice and easy thing to put into a template&mdash;obviously you're getting to know how my mind works! I don't know how necessary it would be, since most of us usually keep a pretty close eye on T:TDYK anyway, but having the template certainly wouldn't hurt anything, and it would be totally optional...I can probably whip one up tonight.

I'm just on my way out the door, so I won't have a chance to formally review the noms until a bit later in the evening, but from my quick glance they all look pretty good now. Thanks for the update, &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 21:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Created! DYKre. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 00:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Columbia Park, Torrance, California GA review
I don't know if you noticed, but I left my comments on the review page a few days ago, and put the article on hold. You probably already know this, but I wanted to make sure! If so, disregard this message. Aptery gial  23:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

re DYKBot
Hi Suntag, I've taken a look and I can't see any definitive reasons why it would do that. I've made a change to the code that might fix it but I doubt it. Time will tell. At the moment it seems like it would be best if I start recoding DYKBot from scratch, it's full of bugs and the code is such a mess that I can't reliably fix them. That will have to wait though. Anyway, let me know if it still replaces any credits after my attempted fix. Cheers, ~ User:Ameliorate!  (with the !) (talk) 08:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Robert S. Beightler
Looks like it's been accepted (it's in one of the queues). Daniel Case (talk) 16:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

False vandalism accusation
Hi Mr. Suntag, it's alright. I have already left him 2 messages and I'm sure he got my message. It's few days old and we don't need to bring that up again. And thanks for your support on this small issue and on the Sonnal Thaan Kathala deletion review page. Cheers. Selvaraaj (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC).

About the vandalism deal
It was simply a mistake. But I don't get his second edit, where he made that external link header, he just wrote something in caps, it looked like vandalism to me. I tried to undo his second one but I accidentally undid his first one with it.--Megaman en m (talk) 20:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank god it's you, I'm talking about when you replied to my talk page. I've been having trouble with some guy who kept changing his IP address. Anyway I'm glad that this is resolved.--Megaman en m (talk) 21:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I added the capital text regarding manufacturer's information from their website but initially forgot to enter the URL. Anyway lets get over with this. I brought it up not for any vengence, but merely to prove a point that vandalism / misdeeds by others shouldn't be made a reason for a (genuine) article to be deleted. Selvaraaj (talk) 10:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Your note
Thanks for alerting me to that, and for your comments there. Jayjg <small style="color:darkgreen;">(talk) 03:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Opinions on the way to Consensus
Suntag, I just noticed this am you modified the mast head in my Talk:Ray_Joseph_Cormier It is an improvement, but I do think the facebook link to where many of the references can be seen and read should also be prominent.

As you know, the talk page and the Article lay dormant for a long time due to lack of interest. I checked it from time to time to see if anyone came forward to improve it. If you look at the history it is the same two Editors who have been constantly challenging its inclusion in Wikipedia. Naturally, I have to stand guard until someone interested in improvement volunteers.

The latest tactic was placing the Notability tag on the article and it is time for other Editors to post an opinion to reach consensus. I do believe consensus is reached when more Editors agree, either for or against the issue.

So far the two Editors are against recognizing the Article and two say the article meets Wikipedia requirements for inclusion. Because it´s my BLP, my opinion is biased. Peace DoDaCanaDa (talk) 14:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Subway beating
Thanks for helping with the article and its DYK nom. I was getting kinda lonely at that article :-)-- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Template news
Thanks for the note. Also, I just wanted to let you know if you haven't noticed, Gatoclass and I have been discussing (here) updating DYKsug to make it auto-generate credit templates so the promoter can simply copy-and-paste them over to Next (this originally came up because \ / pointed out that some people have been getting credited as creator when they should have been credited as nominator, which we chalked up to human error in populating Next). Since you've been heavily involved in the upkeep of the template, you might be interested in seeing the changes (currently all the changes are at User:Politizer/DYKsugdev, not the real template). &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 17:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Peer Review 3 (Odexed)
Thanks for assisting in the improvement for the article Odex's actions against file-sharing, and please accept my apologies for the previous lack of response and edits due to dealing with real-life issues. I'm pleased to let you know that the third PR for the article is now up, and looking forward to hearing feedback from you so that it can be brought over to FAC soon. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 22:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Updated DYK template
Hi, I'd just like to let you know what the template  was just updated with a new feature: now, for all DYK nominations that include only one article, it auto-generates the credit templates (  and  ), which the person moving the hook to Next may simply cut and past from T:TDYK directly into next. This only happens with single-article nominations; if the nomination has more than one article, there will be a message in the template saying "Credits must be done manually by the person moving this nomination to Next" or something like that. It will probably be a few days before you start seeing the auto-generated credit templates, since the template was only just updated and only the new nominations will reflect it; the first several times you see auto-generated credit templates, you may want to double-check the nom as you are promoting it, just to make sure the credits are correct.

There have been some other minor changes&mdash;mainly, now if a DYK nominator lists himself as both "creator/expander" and "nominator," the "nominator" field ends up blank (so that what gets displayed is "Created by User, self nom" rather than "Created by User, nominated by User." Also, the fields, collaborator, collaborator2, and collaborator3 have been replaced with the more intuitive creator2, creator3, and creator4.

Please let me know if you experience any problems with the new template. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 15:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch
for your help in passing the article through the DYK and for the sources. Best, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 19:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Renaming DYKsuggestion
I left a response to your comments here. Thanks, &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 21:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Van Buren State Park (Ohio)
Hi, I nominated Van Buren State Park (Ohio) here for the DYK page on Dec. 17th. I know that you checked it and made a nice comment about the pic. I've been checking the nomination for any problems. Today I checked and found the nomination to be gone from the Dec. 17 section and also (apparently) gone from everywhere else on the DYK. Could you look into this for me? Thanks.--Dincher (talk) 22:03, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. I found it. The new DYK system is still new to me. --Dincher (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Christmas tree stands
Bravo Suntag! Nice work. You should add your name to the DYK so you get credit too. --IvoShandor (talk) 05:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Favor
Hey Suntag, I'm going to be in the car all day and I was wondering if you could keep an eye on my talk page for me when you have a moment. Specifically, there is a troll named Johnnysmitthy who has been posting on my page trying to get a rise out of me, and I decided to revert all his messages on sight (and have made him aware of this), so if you see him posting on my talk page I give you permission to undo it (you can use the diff of this message if you need to show that I gave you permission). The user may or may not have other socks (see this) so if you see stuff that might be the same user you can use your discretion.

Thanks in advance, and have a good day, &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 13:00, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. Have a nice car trip. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  13:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Accolade
Thanks for accolade. I'll keep the "snappy" for the future. I believe it is now a record, that I broke from the 8-article hook of User:Gatoclass.--14:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Love Systems
Hi Suntag,

I've been working on a company page and I could use some feedback on the page. I've followed the guidelines of WP:Corp but I'm not sure if everything is fine. If you have time to review it, I would really appreciate that. The page in questions is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Coaster7/Love_Systems. Thanks in advance. Coaster7 (talk) 21:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I answered on the draft talk page. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  01:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the feedback. It really helped shape the article into a better written version that is up now. Before I'm going to submit it to DRV to get it back up I would like to see if I can improve anything. Thanks a lot Suntag, it's much appreciated. Coaster7 (talk) 20:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK hooks with 5 or more DYK articles
FYI; I've moved this to Did you know/Hall of Fame. A better place, I think. --PFHLai (talk) 00:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems like a good idea. Thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  01:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 03:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Santa Claus, Arizona
Interesting article. And it was nice of you to help out on the Love System or whatever that article is called. Happy Holidays. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

My achievement
Thanks. As if I don't need more proof I waste too much time here ... :-).

I suppose the number of total DYKs table should be updated to ... after almost a month without any new hooks (because of two articles, both of which had been on DYK, which I have been working on for possible future GA/FA status), I'm back in the game and I have two on the page, so I'm closing in on 170. With luck I expect to break 200 by the end of January. Daniel Case (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Another project for you
Suntag, I noticed your conversation with Daniel Case, and I just had an idea that seems like it might be up your alley.... I don't know how we would go about actually implementing this or keeping track of these kinds of things, but maybe it would be cool to have a list of DYK articles that go on to make GA or FA. (since the DYK credit template is transcluded in the talk page, the easiest way might be to have a bot that goes through all pages where that is transcluded, and return all pages that also have GA or FA in their ArticleHistory.) Of course, who knows, maybe such a list would just be embarrassing (what if we find that 95% of DYK articles stagnate and get ignored after their big day?) but if not, it may be fun to think about. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 16:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I posted a request at Wikipedia:Bot requests. Please revise Dyktalk with GA and FA that will populate Category:Wikipedia Did you know articles that are good articles and Category:Wikipedia Did you know articles that are featured articles. Thanks. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  17:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

admin
Hey. I've seen your edits pretty frequently of late and find them to be very impressive. As a result, I was wondering if you were considering adminship over at WP:RFA. I'll gladly nom you if you want, let me know. Wizardman 17:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * First, let me know what you would plan to use the tools for, so I can make sure you have the appropriate experience. I'll write up the nomination statement and post it here, you'll just have to answer the questions and transclude it. Wizardman  17:29, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="rfa" style="margin: 0 5%; padding: 0 7px 7px 7px; background: #FFFAEF; border: 1px solid #999999; text-align: left; font-size:95%;"> Wizardman would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Wizardman to accept or decline the nomination. A page for your nomination at Requests for adminship/Suntag. If you accept the nomination, you must state and sign your acceptance. You may also choose to make a statement and/or answer the optional questions to supplement the information your nominator has given. Once you are satisfied with the page, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.


 * Thanks for the nomination. I'll be gone for the rest of the day. I'll try to get to the nomination this evening. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  19:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's "had undone", not "had undid", Suntag. Wehwalt is asking you to provide some information; even though I don't agree with everything he says, it would be helpful if you would figure out what he's asking for and give it to him. (I'm watchlisting for a few days.) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 19:40, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK hook count
Hello,

Please see Bots/Requests_for_approval/WikiStatsBOT and comment on how often the bot you requested needs too update its stats.

Thank you --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * FYI, the bot is now live (in trial). Did_you_know/DYK_hook_count --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The new format is up and running. Let me know of any further changes you desire. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

GAN done
I reviewed Santa Claus, Arizona for you. It is now on hold. Thanks for nominating! Mitch 32 ( Go Syracuse ) 23:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Trial of Lex Wotton GAN on Hold
I have reviewed the article and left comments on the talk page. Once the issues have been addressed, I will pass the article. The article will be on hold for seven days, but it can be extended if necessary. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions or when all of the issues have been addressed. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:07, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

A NobodyMy talk is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message. --A NobodyMy talk 02:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: Q9
Please take as long as you need. Its a very busy time of year and your RfA still has ages to run yet! Merry christmas :-) John Sloan (view / chat) 21:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi again, thanks for taking the time to answer my question! I just have one follow up question that I have posted at your RfA. Once this is answered, I shall add my !vote. Again, thanks! :-) John Sloan (view / chat) 01:32, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Rfa
Good luck! May hit WP:100! Sure you will be fine. Andy (talk) 19:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

A question mis-posted to WP:RFA
In case you missed it before I reverted it, an anonymous editor has what looks like a personal, non-RFA question for you. See diff. I'm just the messenger. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  15:19, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Gonna be away for a while
Hey Suntag, I just wanted to let you know, I will be traveling and visiting people from now until January 12, so I will only be on WP intermittently. Is it ok if I leave a note on my page telling people to leave a message either with you or at WT:DYK if they experience any urgent template problems? (Normally I would say I'd just leave a message telling people to e-mail me, but since I might only be at the computer at all once a day or so, and on a few days I'll be driving all day, I probably won't be able to respond to urgent requests quickly enough)

Also, Gatoclass and I have been discussing some changes to the template (back-and-forth between my talk page and his); I might not get around to implementing them until after my own schedule settles down, but anyway, just a heads-up. &mdash;Politizer talk / contribs 19:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA
Best wishes for your RFA -- <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu  <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian  - 06:05, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
Just a note, you may want to set up automatic archiving of your talk page using Miszabot III. Instructions on how to configure your talk page to use it can be found here. Any questions, please let me know and I'll do my best to help. Many thanks,  Gazi moff  11:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's getting long. I plan to archive it at the end of 2008. I'll look into Miszabot III. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  15:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

RFA question re DYKBEST
I have asked you a question on your RFA regarding your involvement with DYKBEST. Regards, &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 23:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

RfA
Sorry to see you have withdrawn your request for adminship. I hope you decide run again sometime! I wish you all the best for the future, on and off Wikipedia :-) John Sloan (view / chat) 16:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I am genuinely sorry, too. I will gladly support you if you decide to run again in 2009. Ecoleetage (talk) 16:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't even see the RfA - I'm sorry, I would have been a Strong support. --<font color="navy" size="2">David <font color="navy" size="2" face="comic sans ms">Shankbone  16:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * For the reasons stated in the RFA, I cannot support you at this time, I hope that changes by mid-year. In the meantime, keep up the good editing work. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  17:12, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My sincerest regrets on the failure of your RfA. I found many of the opposes to be based on trivial and unjustifiable issues and this just turned into piling on. Your continued efforts doing what you're already doing will add to the experience that many opposes were looking for. You should have no regrets and should look at many of the comments offered as constructive suggestions for future improvement. I was proud to be one of the first supports and look forward to a second shot in the not-too-distant future. Alansohn (talk) 18:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Many opposes based on trivial and unjustifiable issues and with lots of piling on - lol, isn't that the tagline of the RfA? --<font color="navy" size="2">David <font color="navy" size="2" face="comic sans ms">Shankbone  19:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it was "None of us is as dumb as all of us". - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 19:57, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Commiserations. Please do carry on with the good work that you are doing. Kind regards, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on getting a lot of support for your RfA. Keep up the good work. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Advice after close but failed RFAs. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 19:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, best of luck to you. I did not cast an opinion during your RfA; but, I have noticed your work while wonking around the 'pedia. I think that you do a good job in your chosen areas, and I truly hope that this does not put a damper on your enthusiasm. When I find the "going tough" here, I try to recall that the only thing that matters is our work: not RfA, not FA, not DYK, not AIV, not any of that stuff. All that matters is the work we've done on the encyclopedia. The rest is just windowdressing. It doesn't matter that the article didn't make FA; it matters that the article was improved. It doesn't matter that the admin didn't pass RfA; it matters that the editor improved the encyclopedia. Do not let RfA get you down; I hope that you continue your work here on Wikipedia, because it is valuable. Lazulilasher (talk) 22:21, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Best wishes. Dank55's advice is well spoken. ++Lar: t/c 22:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not see you as a "bad" editor; despite what may seem to be the case, I have a high opinion of you. My original vote was a hearty "Support" until I saw some worrisome  problems due totally, I believe, to inexperience. (This place is way more complicated than it seems.) The next time around you will certainly pass, as I am confident you will benefit from going through all this turmoil. It may not seem like it, but being "roughed up" is actually good for an editor here. (Take this from one who knows from personal experience.) Regards, &mdash; Mattisse  (Talk) 00:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "This place is way more complicated than it seems" ← understatement of the year. I've been here two years and I think there's still more I don't know how to do well than I do know how to do well, and that's without the sysop bit.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Mattisse, if my RFA would have went like this I never, EVER, would have allowed another. I don't see how being "roughed up" like this has any positivity to it. I wish I could have replied to your comment on the RFA - I would have said that I respected Suntag's DYK work on discussing things on the talk page and reviewing hooks. It had NOTHING to do with the number of DYK per month or day. You didn't read my intention in what I wrote. I wanted you to know this, Suntag. At least you know that there are some people like me that do respect your efforts. This RFA should be a textbook example of why there should be a limited number of questions asked in an RFA because this got completely out of hand.  Royal broil  05:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In general, asking tough questions is fine if you need them to figure out how to vote; hazing is not fine (here or elsewhere), and opinions differ on when one shades into the other. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 14:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you all for your kind thoughts and words of encouragement. I'm sure we'll see each around the 'pedia in 2009. -- Suntag  <font color="#FF8C00">☼  22:05, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Matt Lee new DRV
This is a courtesy notice as you were involved in AFD, DRV or CSD's regarding various Matt Lee articles you may want to comment on the new DRV. Also, if you haven't already, you may also want to check out Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion and "Need history check for Matt Lee" ANI thread. Thanks. Soundvisions1 (talk) 18:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)