User talk:Supraphonic2016

Your submission at Articles for creation: Anita Andreis (April 25)
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Dear Whispering, thank you for the Teahouse invitation! I learned a lot! I love this! Wikipedia is my new hobby. :) In a meanwhile, with the lots of help of Jimbfleak, I rewrote the article in a neutral tone, not using any paraphrasing or similar etc. I also think I found better reference sources.

I'd truly appreciate if you can take a look at it as it is now! I'm so curious whether this is the way to go because I'd love to propose some new drafts about other artists too but must admit I'm now a bit scared not to invest my time in vain. That's why this - first article from scratch - of mine - would be a great confirmation that I've got this! And I'd love to contribute more. Please, allow me to do so. :)

Thank you! Supraphonic (talk) 11:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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You said that you have permission from the composer, which suggests that you have a conflict of interest and you must declare it. If you work directly or indirectly for her or a linked organisation, or otherwise are acting on her behalf, you are very strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. If you are paid directly or indirectly by her or a related organisation you are writing about, you are  required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:. The template Paid can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form:   . If you are being compensated, please provide the required disclosure. Note that editing with a COI is discouraged, but permitted as long as it is declared. Concealing a COI can lead to a block. Please do not edit further until you respond to this message.

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 * you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability criteria. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the her or a related organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the organisation claims or interviewing its management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls
 * you must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral, factual and encyclopaedic, without opinions likecritically acclaimed award-winning... legendary... music critics lauding Andreis's delicate approach to each scene enhancing the story and the character in a most meticulous way..., just promo
 * there shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
 * External links should have one link to her main website, not everything you can think of.

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the she meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. Also have a look at Felix Mendelssohn as an example of a very good music bio. You must also reply to the COI request above.Jimfbleak - talk to me?  11:13, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Jimflbleak, thank you so much for clarifying what needs to be improved! Everything is clearer now.


 * About the permission, I've got from the composer, which you assumed is a sign of conflict of interest. (COI) It is not a conflict of interest as I am not related nor to her or any similar organisations (and am not paid to do this), except hearing her music in movies and I certainly have great respect for her work. As I can see, different rules apply to each Wikipedia (in different languages). So, to clarify this, for Croatian Wikipedia, we, editors, MUST get a written (email) permission from the person we are writing about or want to use material from their websites. I wanted to use some of the photographs from her webpage, so I simply used a contact form on her website, and she replied and gave me permission to use whatever is needed as long as the author is indicated. I then had to forward the permission to the administrator in Croatian Wikipedia. Those are the rules there and I had no idea the principle is not the same for English Wikipedia. I truly apologise for being so clueless and assuming each Wikipedia follows the same principles.


 * Regarding neutrality - Yep, I can see I can write a more neutral article not simply citing or paraphrasing critics and other sources. That's my mistake and I'll re-write the article! Thank you for the suggested page to use as an example. I read many other Wikipedia modern composer's pages and stumble upon a similar style to what I've used so I thought it's ok. I was wrong and I'll fix it.


 * Regarding notability - There is plenty of material about her, so that won't be a problem.


 * References - please, can you tell me is the way I used references ok? Like this for an example.

Thank you once again for your help! I have so many ideas for articles. It will just take a little time for me to grasp the process. Best regards, Supraphonic2016 (talk) 19:11, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Each language Wikipedia has its own rules, and English is by far the strictest. In particular, images and text here must be available for any purpose including commercial so any release must be in accordance with our procedures, and email to you isn't enough, we have to check that she realises that she is giving up her copyright. In the case of images, it may be that the photographer owns the copyright, not her. Your reference works, but should be ; better to use  Citation templates. I agree that she appears to be notable. Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:24, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

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Dear Jimflbleak, I rewrote the Draft page for Anita Andreis, paying attention to neutral tone as well as not to sound too similar to her existing biographies etc. I also added better references and marked them in a way you showed me. External links are cleaned, I left only official web page and Imdb.

I still haven't submitted it for a review as I want to make sure I didn't make any mistakes again.

Please, let me know if you see mistakes that need edit as well as possible improvements.

Once again, thank you for your time. I hope I did it properly this time.


 * I've made these changes, some MOS, some removing WP:Weasel words. Some of your Croatians are still lower case, and note that there shouldn't be a space between punctuation and ref, I don't think I caught them all. I've removed the critics section, we need opinions, not facts, and it looks spammy. I've removed the second honours and awards section, it repeats what you have already said and looks spammy. Supraphonic (talk) 19:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Many of your refs are not independent third-party sources, since you include interviews and sites like discogs where she is likely to have written or aroved the text herself, so it's important to keep the article strictly factual. You will have to see if the AFC reviewwer has a view on the refs when you submit it for review Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Good find with the free to use pics, really unusual for living people. You could put another of those pics in the text if you wanted, the format is imagename.jpg Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Also note that images should normally be uploaded here] rather than at en-wiki. I moved your image to Commons Jimfbleak - talk to me?  16:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

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thank you Jimflbleak! Supraphonic (talk) 16:41, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Anita Andreis has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Anita Andreis. Thanks! ~Kvng (talk) 20:12, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

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